In a word, ideal. At 6’2, 220 pounds, he has a solid track record of being the main target on multiple offenses. Robinson is the number-one receiver New York’s offense craves. While not dominant in any particular area, he’s as close to a complete wideout you’ll find. He’s a sharp, crafty route-runner who gains consistent seperation. He’s also good in contested catch situations, and can threaten defenses vertically while still producing at the intermediate level.
With Darius Slayton pencilled in as the Giants’ speed/deep receiver, and Sterling Shepard established in the slot, Robinson would slide in perfectly as the main, all-around target. He would thrive as quarterback Daniel Jones‘ top option on most passing plays, commanding double teams to give Big Blue’s other weapons more room to operate. There may be no other player on the market more suited to the Giants’ needs.
The Cost
According to Spotrac, Robinson’s estimated market value is $20 million annually, which sounds about right. That number puts him in line with some of the game’s top receivers, alongside Keenan Allen, Michael Thomas, and Amari Cooper. While his career production may be a tick below those guys, it’s rare someone of his talent hits unrestricted free agency. Robinson will certainly be able to command that type of money, if not more.
Signing Robinson would take a significant bite out of New York’s cap space. They’d have to restructure other contracts to make the requisite room, especially if they resign their own unrestricted free agents. Of course, there’s a chance he won’t hit the open market. Chicago could franchise tag him or sign him to a new deal.
Should the Giants be Interested?
Abso-freaking-lutely. Signing Robinson would fill New York’s most dire need with a top-tier player. It would then allow them to draft for defense, or simply take the best prospect available. If the Giants can ink Robinson to a deal close to fair market value, they should unquestionably do it.
I feel this team can not afford that kind of persona...
Unfortunately, too many #1 WR are prime donas....
Having a big ego is fine..as long as..it used for good 😁.
I feel this team can not afford that kind of persona...
Unfortunately, too many #1 WR are prime donas....
Having a big ego is fine..as long as..it used for good 😁.
If only there were more young receivers out there who wanted to be like Larry Fitzgerald when they grew up, instead of Odell. Lol.
still want him?
Now the question becomes - do you want to give up assets to attempt to sign him long term?
still want him?
GD - your smart :)
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so he's going to cost $20 million per year + draft picks
still want him?
GD - your smart :)
not smarter, just 2 minutes faster :)
Robinson is very likely to be franchised, to boot.
Now the question becomes - do you want to give up assets to attempt to sign him long term?
I like Robinson A LOT, but not at $20M, and that is before the picks. I doubt he gets $20M in this cap environment. Bears would be taking a big risk by franchising him.
I think we can say for sure that Slayton returns and SS should most likely return. Assuming Pettis is back then we have 3 WR's. I am not putting them in order just saying these are our three so far.
We can sign a guy like Samuel or Reynolds and maybe take a flyer on John Ross (low end deal and hope he develops). Then the Giants can draft a guy who can be the #1 receiver (assuming all goes as planned) and that doesn't mean he has to be a 1st round pick.
If we improve TE and OL (just a bit more) and get Barkley back then everything becomes better on offense. You can't 100% fix everything in one off season. I do think as long as we can add talent to TE and shore up the line we will help all areas of the team and our additions at WR won't need to break the bank to be much improved.
Then with a deep FA of OLB's I'd try spend the money there instead of hoping mid to late round rookie can be a starter on a draft that isn't deep on pass rushers.
Then they can just cluster draft WRs in a draft class heavy of them.
Even if Smith, Waddle, Chase and Pitts is gone Giants could still use Surtain/ Farley or Parsons.
I expect the Packers to extend Adams (he's severely underpaid and they need to keep Rodgers happy) so that will continue the sharp rise in WR costs across the league. Amari Cooper is the highest paid WR and he wouldn't even be in my top 10 - pretty scary how inflated the contracts at WR have become.
Now the question becomes - do you want to give up assets to attempt to sign him long term?
Why don't we tag Leonard Williams, let the Bears tag Allen Robinson and we trade them in an even swap.
And then just re-sign Tomlinson for the defensive line.
There are certainly issues there, slippage in production and immaturity, but he's only 24 and there is a versatility to his game that could work here. And I don't think he's in the pay-zone of Robinson, Godwin, etc...
There are certainly issues there, slippage in production and immaturity, but he's only 24 and there is a versatility to his game that could work here. And I don't think he's in the pay-zone of Robinson, Godwin, etc...
I wouldn't hate it.
He's got a lot to prove and with the right attitude maybe it works.
There would have to be a serious sit down between him and Judge at the jump b/c the immature nonsense he pulled in Pitt under Tomlin will NOT fly with Judge - I would imagine.
Bortles to Trubisky to DJ isn't exactly how you'd want to spend your career as a WR
Teams MIGHT have a shot at a tag and trade deal...and that's a best case scenario.
In a perfect world where everyone stays healthy I'd rather have a Robinson type that demands attention from a defense on every play.
IF we have a healthy Barkley, do the Giants really need a "true #1" WR? Teams have been successful with multiple legit #2 WRs. The problem with the Giants is in addition to no True #1, at best they have one #2 (a healthy Shepard). Slayton flashed, but he's probably a #3. Tate was / is washed up. The rest of the Giants WRs are #5 type JAGs.
I'd prefer spending FA dollars on a legit #2 WR (not sure who that would be) and 2nd or 3rd rounder on another potential #2 WR. Save the cap space for L Williams and either Tomlinson or a FA OL or LB.
IF we have a healthy Barkley, do the Giants really need a "true #1" WR? Teams have been successful with multiple legit #2 WRs. The problem with the Giants is in addition to no True #1, at best they have one #2 (a healthy Shepard). Slayton flashed, but he's probably a #3. Tate was / is washed up. The rest of the Giants WRs are #5 type JAGs.
I'd prefer spending FA dollars on a legit #2 WR (not sure who that would be) and 2nd or 3rd rounder on another potential #2 WR. Save the cap space for L Williams and either Tomlinson or a FA OL or LB.
I agree with this line of thinking 100%.
When push comes to shove, this offense is going to have limited touches going to WR due to SB getting the ball going his way - ideally 25 times a game.
Between that, Shepard, Slayton, EE, and DJ designed runs...how many targets are left in this offense?
I’d trade of obj again before giving a dime to juju
Someone will gamble on JuJu. I think he gets at least 5 yrs/$16M per.
Davis? I can see someone desperate going 3 yrs/$45M, but I'd be shocked if anyone goes 5 yrs at $15M+ AAV.
In a perfect world where everyone stays healthy I'd rather have a Robinson type that demands attention from a defense on every play.
Robinson and Godwin are both likely getting closer to $20M. $16M AAV isn't even top 10 for WRs.
JuJu - ( New Window )
I'm making a lot of assumptions here, so give me some rope, but if Judge signed-off on JJSS, and the deal was 3/$45M, would you sign as fan?
still want him?
They're going to need to make some moves to even tender him with the tag.
Sounds like a bluff on their end, but if it's not, it obviously changes the calculus. Should we just shut down the message board now and not discuss anything until after tags are issued?
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so he's going to cost $20 million per year + draft picks
still want him?
GD - your smart :)
The irony here is painful.
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so he's going to cost $20 million per year + draft picks
still want him?
They're going to need to make some moves to even tender him with the tag.
Sounds like a bluff on their end, but if it's not, it obviously changes the calculus. Should we just shut down the message board now and not discuss anything until after tags are issued?
The Bears can absolutely afford to tag him b/c there are some pretty obvious moves they can make to create room for an A-Rob tag.
And the question is 100% legit - If (which is a definite possibility) the Bears tag A-Rob would you invest big $$$ plus draft picks to acquire a legit #1 WR for the Giants?
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so he's going to cost $20 million per year + draft picks
still want him?
They're going to need to make some moves to even tender him with the tag.
Sounds like a bluff on their end, but if it's not, it obviously changes the calculus. Should we just shut down the message board now and not discuss anything until after tags are issued?
The Bears can absolutely afford to tag him b/c there are some pretty obvious moves they can make to create room for an A-Rob tag.
And the question is 100% legit - If (which is a definite possibility) the Bears tag A-Rob would you invest big $$$ plus draft picks to acquire a legit #1 WR for the Giants?
No, but that's not a real question. When's the last time you saw a player on the tag get signed by another team? There have been a few tag-and-trade situations, but the Giants are already a little bit underwater on picks right now.
Robinson is my #1 WR target if I'm the Giants, but not enough to sacrifice draft picks AND a top-tier contract. I'd move onto Godwin in that case, and if he's not available, I'd re-sign Tomlinson and target WR help in the draft and look for 2nd tier FA WRs.
Robinson is the king of 50/50 balls, great at slant routs, and has been productive in every situation. Kyler got Hopkins, Allan got Diggs, Brady got Evens, Brees got Thomas, Rodgers got Adams, Ben got Juju, Mahomes got Hill, Dak got Cooper, Watson got Hill, and Russell got DK. You name a top QB without a true #1? They all cost now about 18-20 million a year. A- Rob is exactly what we need. Signing A-Rob and retaining Leo basically win us the east, and turns us into s 10-12 win team. He produced 1400 yard season with Blake Bortles. With DJ and Barkley he might return to that status.
And they need QB too. Even if they bring back Mitch, he will still cost them 10-20 million. They could trade for Darnold.