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Chris L. : 2/17/2021 5:11 pm
The way this team is playing we need a game thread for every game! Winnable game tonight with a big break coming up after the game. Go Knicks!!!!
Just win baby  
Giantology : 2/17/2021 5:14 pm : link
Let's get back to .500 tonight
If they win and even their record tonight...  
Greg from LI : 2/17/2021 5:21 pm : link
...when was the last time they were .500 or better 30 games into a season?
Knicks should win this one  
Br00klyn : 2/17/2021 5:37 pm : link
Orlando with alot of players out. lets get back to .500!
still a little concerned that with Mitch out there is no third C  
Del Shofner : 2/17/2021 5:38 pm : link
in case Vucevic induces foul trouble in Noel and Taj. I didn't like how we looked the other night with both of them out. Reading about it after, seems like Randle took the 5 and Obi stayed at the 4 - wasn't sure at the time.
Del, Julius at the 5 and Obi at the 4 works for shorter periods.  
manh george : 2/17/2021 5:59 pm : link
On defense, it is clearly smallish, but on offense, Julius stretches the defense and Obi plays pretty well with a lot of space.
RE: Del, Julius at the 5 and Obi at the 4 works for shorter periods.  
Del Shofner : 2/17/2021 6:15 pm : link
In comment 15155661 manh george said:
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On defense, it is clearly smallish, but on offense, Julius stretches the defense and Obi plays pretty well with a lot of space.


Yeah, but it's the D part of it that concerns me. I thought it looked awkward the other night. But I believe it was only for about 5 minutes late in the first half - so shorter periods for sure.
RE: If they win and even their record tonight...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/17/2021 6:38 pm : link
In comment 15155640 Greg from LI said:
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...when was the last time they were .500 or better 30 games into a season?


Gotta be that '12-'13 squad.

LFG! Orlando sucks.
RE: RE: If they win and even their record tonight...  
shyster : 2/17/2021 6:44 pm : link
In comment 15155683 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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In comment 15155640 Greg from LI said:


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...when was the last time they were .500 or better 30 games into a season?



Gotta be that '12-'13 squad.



Actually, Knicks were at or over .500 later than 30 games in the '15-'16, '16-'17 and '17-'18 seasons, before going into tailspins all three years.

It's the last two seasons before this one that they have been bad from the outset.
shyster.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/17/2021 6:47 pm : link
Gotcha, thanks. The suckiness just sorta blends together, Haha.
RE: If they win and even their record tonight...  
JB_in_DC : 2/17/2021 6:49 pm : link
In comment 15155640 Greg from LI said:
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...when was the last time they were .500 or better 30 games into a season?


They were 18-18 through 36 games in 2017-2018. Porzingis was playing great, then he faded, then he tore his ACL February 6, game 55.
Be nice to see RJ go off a bit after a solid game against Atlanta.  
bceagle05 : 2/17/2021 7:07 pm : link
Put that little cold stretch behind him.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/17/2021 7:14 pm : link
It sounds like Clyde likes Noel. That makes one of us.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/17/2021 7:20 pm : link
Randle is just having an absurd season. Absurd.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/17/2021 7:21 pm : link
Not a fan, but Noel off to a strong start.
Randle...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/17/2021 7:25 pm : link
Again, UFB. 4 for 5, 10 points.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/17/2021 7:26 pm : link
Rose & IQ both in.
Randle. JFC.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/17/2021 7:27 pm : link
13 points with 3 & change left in 1st. Man, I was wrong about this dude. Mea culpa, mea culpa!
Randle going off again.  
bceagle05 : 2/17/2021 7:28 pm : link
Part of me wants him to get snubbed from the ASG so he plays with an even bigger chip.
bc.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/17/2021 7:30 pm : link
I voted him as a starter, Haha. He won't be a starter, but an investigation should be launched if he's kept off of the roster.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/17/2021 7:35 pm : link
Great start. LFG!
Was a great start  
Greg from LI : 2/17/2021 7:44 pm : link
Not so much lately
Bad second quarter thus  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/17/2021 7:51 pm : link
Far.
Randle should get All-Star recognition  
dpinzow : 2/17/2021 7:52 pm : link
but the fact they're having an all-star game is stupid, considering the fact they should be protecting everyone from COVID
Vujevic is an  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/17/2021 7:53 pm : link
All Star caliber player, but he won't get in.
Totally agree on All Star game/weekend.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/17/2021 7:55 pm : link
All about $ for networks.
scrubs for Magic making shots  
nygiants16 : 2/17/2021 8:21 pm : link
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Magic Scrubs  
Br00klyn : 2/17/2021 8:27 pm : link
not missing from 3 tonight. Knicks also playing pretty sloppy
RE: Totally agree on All Star game/weekend.  
nygiants16 : 2/17/2021 8:27 pm : link
In comment 15155749 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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All about $ for networks.


Tnt threatened to pull the tv deal
Horrible 3rd quarter thus far.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/17/2021 8:33 pm : link
Ugh.
getting beat by a bunch of scrubs  
nygiants16 : 2/17/2021 8:34 pm : link
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Missing Mitch tonight  
adamg : 2/17/2021 8:34 pm : link
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So sloppy  
GMEN46 : 2/17/2021 8:35 pm : link
I love what Noel does as a backup center, but clearly he is not a starter in the nba, he may have e the worst hands I have ever seen for a big man. It’s insane whenever he grabs a rebound it’s never a clean grab it’s always a fumble and grab and he makes Mitch look like jokic on offense
Knicks are sloppy tonight.  
larryflower37 : 2/17/2021 8:36 pm : link
Giving this game away.
If they are going to make a playoff run these are the games they can't lose.
This would be such a bad loss  
GMEN46 : 2/17/2021 8:36 pm : link
Can’t believe I am writing that about the Knicks
What a dogshit quarter that was.  
bceagle05 : 2/17/2021 8:42 pm : link
Outscored by 16 against that squad?
Fuck  
adamg : 2/17/2021 8:42 pm : link
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Damn that was an ugly end of the qtr .  
larryflower37 : 2/17/2021 8:42 pm : link
They are losing this one.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/17/2021 8:44 pm : link
Horrible 3rd quarter. Total no show that quarter.
Yikes.  
bceagle05 : 2/17/2021 8:46 pm : link
This is painful.
Burks looks like shit  
nygiants16 : 2/17/2021 8:46 pm : link
..
Rose airballing 3's  
larryflower37 : 2/17/2021 8:46 pm : link
They are really off tonight.
reading their press clippings  
nygiants16 : 2/17/2021 8:51 pm : link
dog shit effort
Guess we were do for one of these.  
bceagle05 : 2/17/2021 8:52 pm : link
I wish Obi could figure out a way to make his presence felt.
Second unit 71 combined minutes and three field goals  
shyster : 2/17/2021 8:54 pm : link
TT trying to prove something.
Noel can shut the fuck up when Mitch comes back  
adamg : 2/17/2021 8:57 pm : link
trash ass rebounding
Burks pulls us within 11.  
bceagle05 : 2/17/2021 8:58 pm : link
Have time for a run, but I’m not feeling it.
10 with 6 minutes left  
larryflower37 : 2/17/2021 9:02 pm : link
They just have looked so bad tonight can't really see them make a run
Yeah, it ain’t happening.  
bceagle05 : 2/17/2021 9:02 pm : link
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oy  
Del Shofner : 2/17/2021 9:02 pm : link
back to 15 in like 8 seconds
and back to 15  
nygiants16 : 2/17/2021 9:03 pm : link
Twrrence ross is such a scrub, definition of a chuck artist..
Burks has looked like a different player lately  
adamg : 2/17/2021 9:03 pm : link
wtf
Every time we get ahead of our skies a bit  
Stu11 : 2/17/2021 9:04 pm : link
The Knicks remind us they are still...the Knicks.
Noel  
Del Shofner : 2/17/2021 9:05 pm : link
hands of stone

we are missing Mitch and his hands of slightly softer stone
thats not a foul?  
nygiants16 : 2/17/2021 9:05 pm : link
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So not going to bring back Barrett??  
nygiants16 : 2/17/2021 9:07 pm : link
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Burks passes up an open three  
bceagle05 : 2/17/2021 9:08 pm : link
to dribble around for 15 seconds.
one of those games  
nygiants16 : 2/17/2021 9:08 pm : link
nothing falling
Why Burks and not RJ?  
adamg : 2/17/2021 9:10 pm : link
Burks is playing so slow.
Gonna be a long wait til Sunday night.  
bceagle05 : 2/17/2021 9:11 pm : link
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Bench killed them  
nygiants16 : 2/17/2021 9:11 pm : link
Knicks were 12 in the first bench came in and let Orlando back in..

Rose and Quickley were horrible tonight..

Now have 3 days to think about this one
Don't even break fucking 90 points  
larryflower37 : 2/17/2021 9:12 pm : link
What a joke.
That was a bad game against a team you should beat.
RE: Don't even break fucking 90 points  
nygiants16 : 2/17/2021 9:14 pm : link
In comment 15155831 larryflower37 said:
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What a joke.
That was a bad game against a team you should beat.


there are always nights in the NBA where you just cant make a shot, tonight was one of those nights..

Quickley is not going to go 1-11 and rose 1-10
4 game home stand coming up  
nygiants16 : 2/17/2021 9:20 pm : link
Twolves, Warriors, Kings, Pacers...gotta go 3-1
Ugliest game this year  
adamg : 2/17/2021 9:20 pm : link
Too bad.
Bobby Marks says  
nygiants16 : 2/17/2021 9:55 pm : link
he believes nobody is untouchable on the Kbicks roster, also says he believes Knicks would trade Rj for a star, would like to keep him but would trade him for a star player
Obi Toppin  
chopperhatch : 2/17/2021 9:57 pm : link
Looks completely lost. Defensively, offensively....all he does is look for the lob. Now, in his defense I think the Knick guards should be looking to get it to him that way more, but thats literally all he does out there.

What happened to Alec Burks? He has been dreadful for a while now.
I missed most of this game  
Mike from SI : 2/17/2021 10:00 pm : link
with a work engagement, looks like that wasn't too bad of a circumstance.

I see on the post game they're discussing adding a big man, and that's probably right. I'd also like them to subtract a guard, especially one of Bullock, Burks, Rivers as those guys seem to offer more or less the same thing to me.
RE: Bobby Marks says  
shyster : 2/17/2021 10:04 pm : link
In comment 15155854 nygiants16 said:
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he believes nobody is untouchable on the Kbicks roster, also says he believes Knicks would trade Rj for a star, would like to keep him but would trade him for a star player


The way the HC is treating Barrett, I absolutely believe he wants to trade him.
Knicks linked to Mo Bamba ?  
larryflower37 : 2/17/2021 10:08 pm : link
Any truth to this?
Or is it NY post click bait.?
What would it take to get him?
I would be up for Frank, Noel, and a 23' second.
Maybe this coaching staff could unlock the potential.
RE: RE: Bobby Marks says  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/17/2021 10:09 pm : link
In comment 15155861 shyster said:
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In comment 15155854 nygiants16 said:


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he believes nobody is untouchable on the Kbicks roster, also says he believes Knicks would trade Rj for a star, would like to keep him but would trade him for a star player



The way the HC is treating Barrett, I absolutely believe he wants to trade him.

He's been in a slump since the start of Feb.
RE: Bobby Marks says  
larryflower37 : 2/17/2021 10:13 pm : link
In comment 15155854 nygiants16 said:
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he believes nobody is untouchable on the Kbicks roster, also says he believes Knicks would trade Rj for a star, would like to keep him but would trade him for a star player


Only stars worth a trade are Beal and Lavine right now.
Both would take RJ's minutes.
I am coming around to the idea of making a big move for either one of those guys
RE: RE: Bobby Marks says  
chopperhatch : 2/17/2021 10:14 pm : link
In comment 15155861 shyster said:
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In comment 15155854 nygiants16 said:


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he believes nobody is untouchable on the Kbicks roster, also says he believes Knicks would trade Rj for a star, would like to keep him but would trade him for a star player



The way the HC is treating Barrett, I absolutely believe he wants to trade him.


Barrett is so up and down and we need more consistent production from our starting 2. Yes, hes young, but we need a much better 3 ball shooter and all around shooter than RJ. At this point, when he goes up for a lay up, Im honestly surprised when it goes in.
RE: Knicks linked to Mo Bamba ?  
chopperhatch : 2/17/2021 10:18 pm : link
In comment 15155863 larryflower37 said:
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Any truth to this?
Or is it NY post click bait.?
What would it take to get him?
I would be up for Frank, Noel, and a 23' second.
Maybe this coaching staff could unlock the potential.


Bamba looks awfully slow and Noel has been a pretty good back up C. Sub out Noel for Knox and I would make that deal.

Is Frank still hurt? Or just buried on the bench?
RE: RE: RE: Bobby Marks says  
shyster : 2/17/2021 10:19 pm : link
In comment 15155866 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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He's been in a slump since the start of Feb.


If you check the game log, he had three good games at the start of February, which was the continuation of a trend.

Then he did have four games when he did not shoot well and his minutes were cut.

Then he had a good game last game with a couple of big threes in the fourth.

Tonight he was at 15 points on nine shots when he got pulled.

On a night when a lot of guys are having terrible nights, he can't get back in?

Everything has a reason.
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RE: RE: RE: Bobby Marks says  
shyster : 2/17/2021 10:23 pm : link
In comment 15155874 chopperhatch said:
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Barrett is so up and down and we need more consistent production from our starting 2. Yes, hes young, but we need a much better 3 ball shooter and all around shooter than RJ. At this point, when he goes up for a lay up, Im honestly surprised when it goes in.


You can make a case against him sure.

My point is that the HC isn't trying to build his confidence. He's trying to set him up to be traded.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Bobby Marks says  
chopperhatch : 2/17/2021 10:30 pm : link
In comment 15155880 shyster said:
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He's been in a slump since the start of Feb.



If you check the game log, he had three good games at the start of February, which was the continuation of a trend.

Then he did have four games when he did not shoot well and his minutes were cut.

Then he had a good game last game with a couple of big threes in the fourth.

Tonight he was at 15 points on nine shots when he got pulled.

On a night when a lot of guys are having terrible nights, he can't get back in?

Everything has a reason. b ref - ( New Window )


He is still a 2 guard who is barely a 30% 3 ball shooter. Hovers around 40% the rest of his shots and he made a quantum leap at the line to jump 10 points and become a 70% shooter. Hes not a distributor. Plays just okay defense. I have a feeling he is a career 17 ppg player who wont shut down anybody on defense. That is not treasure.

He went through a pretty brief spell (about 2 weeks) where he was consistently producing what he should be at his position.

Im not saying trade him for just ANYBODY, but Barrett has not shown the kind of improvement that would lead me to believe he can become that player.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Bobby Marks says  
chopperhatch : 2/17/2021 10:34 pm : link
In comment 15155882 shyster said:
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Barrett is so up and down and we need more consistent production from our starting 2. Yes, hes young, but we need a much better 3 ball shooter and all around shooter than RJ. At this point, when he goes up for a lay up, Im honestly surprised when it goes in.



You can make a case against him sure.

My point is that the HC isn't trying to build his confidence. He's trying to set him up to be traded.


Well Thibs still wants to win games! Lol. But the way Burks has been playing, I agree we should at least see what he can do. He doesnt instill much in the way of confidence tho.
In the right deal  
nygiants16 : 2/17/2021 10:52 pm : link
i would trade Barrett, i am not giving him away though by anymeans and i prefer to keep him..
Trading RJ is a mistake  
adamg : 2/17/2021 10:53 pm : link
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RE: In the right deal  
chopperhatch : 2/17/2021 11:05 pm : link
In comment 15155894 nygiants16 said:
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i would trade Barrett, i am not giving him away though by anymeans and i prefer to keep him..


I am in full agreement. But I think that is only because the right deal isnt apparent yet. I just hope he can keep having streaks of really good play to keep his value up. Tonight was the perfect game for him to rise up and share the load with Randle and he just didnt. He should be getting to the line more too.

I would love to be able to put him in a deal for LaVine or Beal. But its just not going to happen.
RE: Trading RJ is a mistake  
chopperhatch : 2/17/2021 11:10 pm : link
In comment 15155895 adamg said:
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Well we need at least one other scorer that will average at least 20/game and that guy should be our 2 guard. We got 13 from Payton tonight and I expect Quickley to score around 15 off the bench. But we still lost by 18. So unless Randle is going to get us 30+ every single night, we need more points from Barrett.
RJ has good size and can become a great defender  
adamg : 2/18/2021 12:29 am : link
He's only 20. Have to give him time to develop. Why not go after a true 3 in the draft? We need better 3 and d wings. Bullock and Burks are far from starting material.

Let's not act like we're a LaVine away from competing for a ring.

This is just reaction to an ugly loss. Can't make decisions like trading away a second year future star just because he's in the coach's doghouse for some reason.
RJ looks like he can grow into  
Mike from SI : 2/18/2021 12:36 am : link
a smaller Jimmy Butler type to me. Very much would like to keep him for the next year or two to watch the development.

I'd rather we ditch Bullock and play RJ more, tbh.
RE: RJ looks like he can grow into  
chopperhatch : 2/18/2021 12:43 am : link
In comment 15155911 Mike from SI said:
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a smaller Jimmy Butler type to me. Very much would like to keep him for the next year or two to watch the development.

I'd rather we ditch Bullock and play RJ more, tbh.


We're not going to get anything for Bullock tho. The point is Barrett can be a part of a package that brings another scorer.
RE: RJ has good size and can become a great defender  
chopperhatch : 2/18/2021 12:51 am : link
In comment 15155907 adamg said:
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He's only 20. Have to give him time to develop. Why not go after a true 3 in the draft? We need better 3 and d wings. Bullock and Burks are far from starting material.

Let's not act like we're a LaVine away from competing for a ring.

This is just reaction to an ugly loss. Can't make decisions like trading away a second year future star just because he's in the coach's doghouse for some reason.


Adam, I have been saying this about Barrett since his college days. He is decent or below average at practically everything he does. One of the things he can do well is leap and he is such a bitch about going to the hole. Look at how Payton gets to the hoop. RJ should be driving and slashing to the basket, but he is always hesitant about doing so. When he actually did start going to the hoop (1/13- the beginning of Feb), he was a force. He was averaging over 20, the threes he did shoot he shot with confidence and in rhythm and he got to the line. Then he just stopped doing that regularly. I think he is too fragile mentally. When he missed a lay up against Miami, I noticed he was too hesitant to go to the rim going forward. That shit has to stop. Problem is, thats a mental thing and mental things are hard to get over and rarely do

Can he improve? Sure. I think he can be a decent piece off the bench for a contending team. But right now he is a starting shooting guard who cant score consistently from anywhere on the floor.
He has been improving though  
adamg : 2/18/2021 1:10 am : link
Why shouldn't he continue to improve?

Who knows what his ceiling is yet? It's too soon. Jmo
Barrett was producing tonight when he got pulled  
shyster : 2/18/2021 1:15 am : link
He was,at the time, 5-9 from the field and 4-5 free throws for his 15 points.

He had six points in the third quarter before he got pulled, including an "and-one" drive to the hoop that made the highlights.

It could be that TT got angry that his favorite, D Rose, went 1-10 and he took it out on RJ and Payton.

But, in the fourth quarter, TT wasn't trying to win the game as first priority. He wanted to win it without Barrett on the floor or not at all.

And one reason for that could be that he wants to show the FO that he doesn't need Barrett.


RE: Barrett was producing tonight when he got pulled  
adamg : 2/18/2021 1:33 am : link
In comment 15155921 shyster said:
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He was,at the time, 5-9 from the field and 4-5 free throws for his 15 points.

He had six points in the third quarter before he got pulled, including an "and-one" drive to the hoop that made the highlights.

It could be that TT got angry that his favorite, D Rose, went 1-10 and he took it out on RJ and Payton.

But, in the fourth quarter, TT wasn't trying to win the game as first priority. He wanted to win it without Barrett on the floor or not at all.

And one reason for that could be that he wants to show the FO that he doesn't need Barrett.



If you're right, that's really shitty.
RE: RE: Barrett was producing tonight when he got pulled  
chopperhatch : 2/18/2021 2:23 am : link
In comment 15155923 adamg said:
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He was,at the time, 5-9 from the field and 4-5 free throws for his 15 points.

He had six points in the third quarter before he got pulled, including an "and-one" drive to the hoop that made the highlights.

It could be that TT got angry that his favorite, D Rose, went 1-10 and he took it out on RJ and Payton.

But, in the fourth quarter, TT wasn't trying to win the game as first priority. He wanted to win it without Barrett on the floor or not at all.

And one reason for that could be that he wants to show the FO that he doesn't need Barrett.





If you're right, that's really shitty.


That's also a huge reach.

As far as Barrett's improvement since last year, it is minimal. His FG% has gone up from 40->42, while he has actually regressed in his 3 point % from 32->30. He is averaging 1 more rebound per game and and .5 more assist per game this year as opposed to last. His defense is about the same (tho about .5 LESS steals per game).

As far as taking him out, I wouldnt be surprised if it was the TYPES of shots Barrett was taking at that point. I seem to remember him taking those stupid mid range jumpers that he just shouldnt be taking or badly missing 3s. He had the same number of shots as Payton did and shot 10 points lower. Why is that?

Btw shyster, your numbers on Barrett by the 3rd not with standing, these are all of his shots taken for his entire 2nd half. Please notice the 2 misses in the paint:

shyster hated the rose trade  
nygiants16 : 2/18/2021 7:25 am : link
so now that rose had a bad game he can finally post negatively about it..

Completely ignores that Rose only play 16 minutes..

Thibs said he kept the same lineup in the game because they cut it to 10 and as soon as the lead went to 15 he brought Barrett back..

the player that should of been benched was Quickley
We really don't need to resort to conspiracy theories  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/18/2021 7:30 am : link
after a bad loss.

They had no problem leaving Barrett on the floor when he was playing well in January.
Knicks really need to find a replacement  
nygiants16 : 2/18/2021 8:16 am : link
for Bullock, Bullock gives you absolutely zero, he is basically a spot up shooter..

I would be shocked if the Knicks do not add a replacement by the deadline
Lol yeah let’s trade  
ryanmkeane : 2/18/2021 8:46 am : link
Barrett. He’s 20 years old. His shooting percentage, FT percentage, assists, rebounds, and points are all better this season.

Hey just maybe he’s 20 years old and still figuring it out on a nightly basis. He will literally be the same age as Randle in 6 years. Give the kid some time.
Aside from the dreadful shooting night  
Heisenberg : 2/18/2021 8:53 am : link
They missed Mitch last night. Orlando was too tough to handle down low. Taj is rugged but not athletic enough. Noel is athletic but not rugged enough. Mitch has enough of both to be a big improvement over both.

And I really like Noel, but he is an absolute zero on offense and is a bad rebounder. I was having a bit of Jared Jeffries flashbacks.
^^^^  
Del Shofner : 2/18/2021 9:18 am : link
I continue to think they should bring up one of the C's from the G League. I agree they miss Mitch and Taj is not always the answer depending on the opponent. Give one of the young guys a try until Mitch is back.
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/18/2021 9:27 am : link
Bad loss. It happens. Get some rest & get ready for the Wolves on the 21st.
RE: ^^^^  
Heisenberg : 2/18/2021 10:02 am : link
In comment 15156018 Del Shofner said:
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I continue to think they should bring up one of the C's from the G League. I agree they miss Mitch and Taj is not always the answer depending on the opponent. Give one of the young guys a try until Mitch is back.


I'm not sure any of those guys would help. Although one of them is entertainingly named "Shittu" or something like that
that was stinky  
djm : 2/18/2021 10:05 am : link
...oh well get the next one on sunday. Shots just wouldn't fall.

Wondering if the KNicks package RJB in a deal for a bigger talent before the deadline.
no one is advocating trading Rj  
nygiants16 : 2/18/2021 10:07 am : link
for a 1st or jist throwing him away, obviously you want to keep him,but if a star becomes available, one your going to need his salary and 2 it will be an upgrade..

you dont trade for a 30 year old, but if Lavine or Beal become available i dont think you hesitate..
RE: Bobby Marks says  
djm : 2/18/2021 10:07 am : link
In comment 15155854 nygiants16 said:
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he believes nobody is untouchable on the Kbicks roster, also says he believes Knicks would trade Rj for a star, would like to keep him but would trade him for a star player


YEa, I can't blame the Knicks at all for thinking this way if it's true.

What is so good about the Knicks situation is they now have young kids that look good enough to stand on their own merit, meaning it might not take 2-3 players and 2-3 picks for that star trade. It might take RJB and one or two picks.

Strike while the iron is hot. IF that player can be had, get him. Just don't trade the entire team away which I don't see the Knicks doing.
nygiants  
ryanmkeane : 2/18/2021 10:22 am : link
would I trade Barrett for LaVine? Perhaps. But the Bulls aren't doing that.
again i just think the entire Knicks fandom  
ryanmkeane : 2/18/2021 10:24 am : link
just needs to relax a bit. This is the first time we've had this much talent in like 20 years. Let's just let them play for two years together before we start to trade everybody.

They aren't even that good right now and the collective age of the team is like 23 and are the 6th seed in the East!
and i'm not saying  
ryanmkeane : 2/18/2021 10:26 am : link
don't listen to trade offers. But - let's let these teams come to the Knicks and not the other way around
RE: RE: ^^^^  
Del Shofner : 2/18/2021 10:26 am : link
In comment 15156073 Heisenberg said:
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In comment 15156018 Del Shofner said:


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I continue to think they should bring up one of the C's from the G League. I agree they miss Mitch and Taj is not always the answer depending on the opponent. Give one of the young guys a try until Mitch is back.



I'm not sure any of those guys would help. Although one of them is entertainingly named "Shittu" or something like that


Shittu is averaging 16+ points and 11+ rebounds in 27 minutes per game in the G League. I know it's a lower level of comp but I'd like to see what he can do in the NBA. Probably won't happen though.
I'll say this  
ryanmkeane : 2/18/2021 10:30 am : link
in the years after the Garnett/Pierce/Allen era, Danny Ainge got shit for years for not doing crazy trades and keeping the young talent (Tatum, Brown, Smart). Have they won a title? No. But they are basically in the conference semis every single year, and were 1 game away from the finals last season. Brown has blossomed into one of the league's best swingmen and Tatum is probably in the top 10 if you started a draft right now.

The one time he traded for a star (Irving), it worked for 1 season and then blew up, they even made the conference finals without him.

Keep building with the young talent, acquire assets, make smart draft picks, and see what happens.
RE: nygiants  
nygiants16 : 2/18/2021 10:30 am : link
In comment 15156095 ryanmkeane said:
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would I trade Barrett for LaVine? Perhaps. But the Bulls aren't doing that.


Lavine wont be traded until the offseason if he is traded, unless he asks out..

Bulls will offer him an extension and if he passes then they will most likely move him
RE: I'll say this  
nygiants16 : 2/18/2021 10:31 am : link
In comment 15156105 ryanmkeane said:
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in the years after the Garnett/Pierce/Allen era, Danny Ainge got shit for years for not doing crazy trades and keeping the young talent (Tatum, Brown, Smart). Have they won a title? No. But they are basically in the conference semis every single year, and were 1 game away from the finals last season. Brown has blossomed into one of the league's best swingmen and Tatum is probably in the top 10 if you started a draft right now.

The one time he traded for a star (Irving), it worked for 1 season and then blew up, they even made the conference finals without him.

Keep building with the young talent, acquire assets, make smart draft picks, and see what happens.


ainge got brown and tatum but he didnt capitilize on that trade like he could have..

Celtics are fading right now, their team is not very good
i get that about  
ryanmkeane : 2/18/2021 10:32 am : link
LaVine but...why wouldn't the Bulls want to sign him? They are trying to build something there and he's blossoming into a star. They have a good coach now. Some good young talent. I don't get the notion that LaVine is going to not be on the Bulls.
nygiants  
ryanmkeane : 2/18/2021 10:33 am : link
the Celtics are fine. They've had some injuries and covid issues this year. They are going through a rough stretch like they do every season. But they will be there like they always are.
Celtics  
ryanmkeane : 2/18/2021 10:34 am : link
will finish in the 3-4 seed and do damage in the playoffs because of their talent, playoff experience, toughness, and good coaching. They aren't always the best regular season team.
RE: i get that about  
nygiants16 : 2/18/2021 10:35 am : link
In comment 15156113 ryanmkeane said:
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LaVine but...why wouldn't the Bulls want to sign him? They are trying to build something there and he's blossoming into a star. They have a good coach now. Some good young talent. I don't get the notion that LaVine is going to not be on the Bulls.


Bulls can want to sign him all theu want IF he wants to leave he will be able to..

RE: Celtics  
nygiants16 : 2/18/2021 10:36 am : link
In comment 15156118 ryanmkeane said:
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will finish in the 3-4 seed and do damage in the playoffs because of their talent, playoff experience, toughness, and good coaching. They aren't always the best regular season team.


Celtics biggest issue is they have zero depth and Kemba is not playing well at all..

They will make the playoffs absolutely
I'll also say that the 2021 draft class  
ryanmkeane : 2/18/2021 10:38 am : link
is loaded. This is the perfect draft for Knicks to take two guys in the top 20.
RE: RE: Barrett was producing tonight when he got pulled  
djm : 2/18/2021 10:42 am : link
In comment 15155923 adamg said:
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He was,at the time, 5-9 from the field and 4-5 free throws for his 15 points.

He had six points in the third quarter before he got pulled, including an "and-one" drive to the hoop that made the highlights.

It could be that TT got angry that his favorite, D Rose, went 1-10 and he took it out on RJ and Payton.

But, in the fourth quarter, TT wasn't trying to win the game as first priority. He wanted to win it without Barrett on the floor or not at all.

And one reason for that could be that he wants to show the FO that he doesn't need Barrett.





If you're right, that's really shitty.


You guys don't actually believe that nonsense do you?
everyone (or at least some)  
djm : 2/18/2021 10:44 am : link
take a deep breath, step away from the ledge and calm the fuck down. One loss. ON the road. That's life. 2 games under 500. Get em on Sunday.
RE: and i'm not saying  
djm : 2/18/2021 10:48 am : link
In comment 15156099 ryanmkeane said:
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don't listen to trade offers. But - let's let these teams come to the Knicks and not the other way around


I agree more or less. KNicks don't have to do anything right now. Just be open to deals and consider every option, which I think they are doing and will do. I love where they sit. Love the young players. No need to panic.

I still think this team finishes above 500 if no more deals are even made. People are acting like they peaked already but what if they haven't peaked yet? New HC weird season....it stands to reason this team might have room to improve as constituted.
Before the Atlanta game  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/18/2021 11:20 am : link
RJ had a string 3, 13, 7, and 8 point games. Nothing wrong with pulling him back a bit when he's not playing good basketball. He's still learning. Part of learning is accountability.
Is it a lock Jrue resigns with the Bucks?  
nygiants16 : 2/18/2021 11:20 am : link
Looking at free agents he is someone that seems like a great fit
RJ  
Mike from SI : 2/18/2021 11:22 am : link
This is a quote from a fantasy basketball site. This is what people are complaining about? If we were told going into the season this would be his progression, we'd be happy.

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He’s improved from 40% to 42 % FG% this year over last year. Likewise, he has raised his scoring from 14.3 to 16.5, his assists are up from 2.6 last year to 3.1 this year, and his rebounds are up from 5.0 as a rookie to 6.2 RPG.
I have been thinking about this  
nygiants16 : 2/18/2021 4:01 pm : link
If you could get Drummond for practically nothing, i think i would do it..You get the rest of the seasom to see how he fits with Randle, he is only 27, if he doesnt fit you can still keep Mitch..

If Drummond fits, you could trade Mitch before you have to pay him..

yeah i mean this is pretty much what i said yesterday....  
Italianju : 2/18/2021 4:19 pm : link
you only do it if you can get him for nothing. Adding talented NBA players like Rose and Drummond for nothing make the team better. Noel is better in short spurts and Taj should not be relied on to play every day. If Mitch has any sort of setback then we go to feeling strong about center to being very concerned.
RE: yeah i mean this is pretty much what i said yesterday....  
nygiants16 : 2/18/2021 4:24 pm : link
In comment 15156577 Italianju said:
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you only do it if you can get him for nothing. Adding talented NBA players like Rose and Drummond for nothing make the team better. Noel is better in short spurts and Taj should not be relied on to play every day. If Mitch has any sort of setback then we go to feeling strong about center to being very concerned.


Yeah, i was one who said no way, adding drummond adds a guy eho can pound down low, you will never get out rebounded, has more offensive game than any big knicks have..

and he is expiring so if it doesnt work you jist dont resign him
NBA going through with All Star weekend.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/18/2021 4:29 pm : link
Idiotic.
Would CLE do Frank for Dummond?  
adamg : 2/18/2021 4:31 pm : link
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RE: Would CLE do Frank for Dummond?  
adamg : 2/18/2021 4:31 pm : link
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Does that salary work?
Frank and Bullock...  
Italianju : 2/18/2021 4:33 pm : link
is close to working i think. I think if CLE can get a former lottery pick and save 16 mill or whatever they save by trading him to us vs a team that is capped out then its a good deal for them. I mean the rumored teams interested in acquiring him are pretty light on assets.
Frank and Burks for salary?  
adamg : 2/18/2021 4:34 pm : link
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RE: Frank and Burks for salary?  
adamg : 2/18/2021 4:38 pm : link
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Looks like this works.
im not trading Burks...  
Italianju : 2/18/2021 4:39 pm : link
I think like Frank, Bullock, and Iggy would work. Or another end of the bench guy.
..  
nygiants16 : 2/18/2021 4:39 pm : link
Frank, Knox and Rivers for Drummond i think works..

RE: im not trading Burks...  
adamg : 2/18/2021 4:40 pm : link
In comment 15156603 Italianju said:
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I think like Frank, Bullock, and Iggy would work. Or another end of the bench guy.


You're right. That might be a sweeter deal for the CAVs too since Iggy is still on his rookie deal.
You would think  
nygiants16 : 2/18/2021 4:40 pm : link
Cleveland wants this to be done sooner rather than later
id give up one of Frank or Knox...  
Italianju : 2/18/2021 4:41 pm : link
but id rather not trade both. For whatever reason former lottery picks that are their age still have NBA value so i think we could use them in another deal.

If it was Knox, Bullock, and Iggy we would have to add in like pinson as well or something. Either way we can make it work im sure.

Or yeah throw in rivers, i still like him on that contract, but if they trade him, so be it.
RE: id give up one of Frank or Knox...  
nygiants16 : 2/18/2021 4:49 pm : link
In comment 15156609 Italianju said:
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but id rather not trade both. For whatever reason former lottery picks that are their age still have NBA value so i think we could use them in another deal.

If it was Knox, Bullock, and Iggy we would have to add in like pinson as well or something. Either way we can make it work im sure.

Or yeah throw in rivers, i still like him on that contract, but if they trade him, so be it.


the only team i think that can flat out just take on that salary is Boston
i could def see BOS...  
Italianju : 2/18/2021 5:09 pm : link
making a trade. No idea if guys like Robert or Grant WIlliams or other younger players they have on the roster have value. I mean they could easily have more value then Frank, ha.

Also could make some sense for BOS to throw in a pick if that is what it takes, they are closer to competing the we are.
RE: i could def see BOS...  
nygiants16 : 2/18/2021 5:20 pm : link
In comment 15156637 Italianju said:
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making a trade. No idea if guys like Robert or Grant WIlliams or other younger players they have on the roster have value. I mean they could easily have more value then Frank, ha.

Also could make some sense for BOS to throw in a pick if that is what it takes, they are closer to competing the we are.


Boston has that big trade exception so it would just be a straight aalary dump, cant add anything to deal
Column by  
Mike from SI : 2/18/2021 5:44 pm : link
Berman below.
Link - ( New Window )
they can make two separate deals though right...  
Italianju : 2/18/2021 6:04 pm : link
like drummond for the TPE and then whatever player or picks CLE wants for whatever bum that makes what williams makes.
Berman as shitty as always...  
Italianju : 2/18/2021 6:05 pm : link
refers to aaron gordon as the Magics best player, i think Vuc would have a lot to say about that. But this time i tend to agree, if you get him for spare parts then do it.
Why would the Knicks want drummond?  
GMEN46 : 2/18/2021 6:33 pm : link
It makes no sense, Mitch will be back for most of the second half of the season. I have no interest in Drummond. Terrible fir next to Randle, terrible defender, can’t shoot.

I am not sure how some of these sports writers get these jobs. Berman literally knows nothing about basketball and how players fit with each other. Mitch is the future and he will be very cost efficient even after this year. I think I read his max is something like $14-$15 million a year.
Berman needs content to shovel out every day.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/18/2021 6:37 pm : link
Thibs is probably puking his lunch at the thought of Drummond on his team and what it would do to his defense.
Jared Harper has range  
nygiants16 : 2/18/2021 7:26 pm : link
..
Kyrie Irving an East All-Star starter...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/18/2021 7:41 pm : link
Shows you can go AWOL without any repercussions.
everybody on tnt  
nygiants16 : 2/18/2021 7:41 pm : link
says Randle should be an all star reserve
RE: everybody on tnt  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/18/2021 8:16 pm : link
In comment 15156748 nygiants16 said:
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says Randle should be an all star reserve


100%.
I expect the Bucks to make a move at the deadline  
nygiants16 : 2/18/2021 9:02 pm : link
lost 4 in a row and down 20 at half
Norman Powell in free agency  
nygiants16 : 2/18/2021 9:31 pm : link
would be a nice get, i wonder if Toronto is willing to pony up to keep him
Re: the discussion of Barrett earlier  
Greg from LI : 2/18/2021 10:50 pm : link
He is having a season of extremes. He had a stretch of games that were downright tremendous and a bunch of other games that were simply awful, a real all or nothing type season. He's proven a lot to me with his best games. The next step is to cut down on the frequency of those awful games.
RE: Re: the discussion of Barrett earlier  
djm : 2/19/2021 10:16 am : link
In comment 15156856 Greg from LI said:
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He is having a season of extremes. He had a stretch of games that were downright tremendous and a bunch of other games that were simply awful, a real all or nothing type season. He's proven a lot to me with his best games. The next step is to cut down on the frequency of those awful games.


Different styles and players but to me RJB is similar to former knick Gerald Wilkins. Solid player and RJB has room to grow and improve as he’s only 20, but right now he’s an up and down solid starting player.
RE: I expect the Bucks to make a move at the deadline  
TyreeHelmet : 2/19/2021 10:23 am : link
In comment 15156796 nygiants16 said:
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lost 4 in a row and down 20 at half


I doubt it happens but imagine if Jrue Holiday bolts this offseason? All those picks and swaps out the window for 1 season of Holiday. Giannis trade demand wouldn't be far behind.

Looking back the Bucks really made some bad choices in team building. Letting Brogdon walk for nothing? Why not be more agressive in CP3 than Holiday given the cost and fit on the court? They really need to treat Giannis like a big man/ roll man with guards who can create. They really don't have that at all.
RE: RE: I expect the Bucks to make a move at the deadline  
nygiants16 : 2/19/2021 10:41 am : link
In comment 15157065 TyreeHelmet said:
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lost 4 in a row and down 20 at half



I doubt it happens but imagine if Jrue Holiday bolts this offseason? All those picks and swaps out the window for 1 season of Holiday. Giannis trade demand wouldn't be far behind.

Looking back the Bucks really made some bad choices in team building. Letting Brogdon walk for nothing? Why not be more agressive in CP3 than Holiday given the cost and fit on the court? They really need to treat Giannis like a big man/ roll man with guards who can create. They really don't have that at all.


would love holiday on the knicks perfect fit
Unlike the NFL, NHL, MLB,  
Essex : 2/19/2021 10:50 am : link
where I follow it closely and have definite rooting interests. I watch the NBA some but not that much (I grew up in the 90s a Knicks fan, but gave up on them a long time ago when JVG left--now, I am not a fan of anyone and just root for the Knicks and Nets since I live in Brooklyn to do well). For the people who follow it a lot, I just had a question, it seems to me that the dominant teams are not as good as they have been in say the last 10-15 years and upsets happen much more often. That the wins and losses which used to be more distributed to the top and bottom of the graph are now more concentrated in the middle. If I am right, which I am not saying that I am, is that a product of not having fans (or at least many fans) in the building? Or has the NBA just found "parity" recently.
RE: Unlike the NFL, NHL, MLB,  
Mike from SI : 2/19/2021 1:12 pm : link
In comment 15157097 Essex said:
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where I follow it closely and have definite rooting interests. I watch the NBA some but not that much (I grew up in the 90s a Knicks fan, but gave up on them a long time ago when JVG left--now, I am not a fan of anyone and just root for the Knicks and Nets since I live in Brooklyn to do well). For the people who follow it a lot, I just had a question, it seems to me that the dominant teams are not as good as they have been in say the last 10-15 years and upsets happen much more often. That the wins and losses which used to be more distributed to the top and bottom of the graph are now more concentrated in the middle. If I am right, which I am not saying that I am, is that a product of not having fans (or at least many fans) in the building? Or has the NBA just found "parity" recently.


No offense, but I think this is wrong. Since the 2012 season, a list of champions:
LeBron's teams: 4 times
Warriors: 3 times
Spurs once, Raptors once (in a season where LeBron was injured and the Warriors superstars got injured in the Finals)

In that span the Warriors made the Finals 5 straight years, and LeBron's team made the Finals seven (7) straight years.

This year is a little weird but there's a very good chance the Finals will be an LA team versus Brooklyn.
And maybe I misread your post.  
Mike from SI : 2/19/2021 1:14 pm : link
If you're talking about just this year, it's early, but the home-road splits are way different than usual. Partially due to fans, partially due to teams losing players to covid, partly due to a small(er) sample size.
Gun to head...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/19/2021 1:20 pm : link
Lakers Nets Finals.
RE: RE: RE: I expect the Bucks to make a move at the deadline  
Stu11 : 2/19/2021 1:25 pm : link
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lost 4 in a row and down 20 at half



I doubt it happens but imagine if Jrue Holiday bolts this offseason? All those picks and swaps out the window for 1 season of Holiday. Giannis trade demand wouldn't be far behind.

Looking back the Bucks really made some bad choices in team building. Letting Brogdon walk for nothing? Why not be more agressive in CP3 than Holiday given the cost and fit on the court? They really need to treat Giannis like a big man/ roll man with guards who can create. They really don't have that at all.



would love holiday on the knicks perfect fit

Have dreamed of Holiday on the Knicks for a few years now. Perfect fit. Can shoot, good a penetrating and he's a Thibs type defender.
Knicks sold all the available tickets for the first two games  
Del Shofner : 2/19/2021 5:04 pm : link
allowing fans back - in a half hour.

Pent-up demand? - ( New Window )
RE: Gun to head...  
BigBlueShock : 2/19/2021 5:58 pm : link
In comment 15157257 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Lakers Nets Finals.

Really going out on a limb there!
RE: RE: Gun to head...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/19/2021 6:12 pm : link
In comment 15157436 BigBlueShock said:
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Lakers Nets Finals.


Really going out on a limb there!


Haha. Oh I know.
according to begely  
nygiants16 : 2/19/2021 6:51 pm : link
People in the front office view Randle as a long term piece and part of the youth
Nick Young tweeted congrats to Randle on his All-Star nod.  
bceagle05 : 2/19/2021 6:58 pm : link
We’ll see if it’s a Swaggy P bomb.
RE: Nick Young tweeted congrats to Randle on his All-Star nod.  
nygiants16 : 2/19/2021 7:03 pm : link
In comment 15157475 bceagle05 said:
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We’ll see if it’s a Swaggy P bomb.


Most likely he was smoking a blunt last night and saw tnt picked him as a reserve and thought that meant he was an all star
RE: according to begely  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/19/2021 7:04 pm : link
In comment 15157469 nygiants16 said:
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People in the front office view Randle as a long term piece and part of the youth


Because he's been in the league so long...I sometimes forget Randle is just 26. He's still a pup in this league. And he's been UFB this season.
RE: RE: according to begely  
nygiants16 : 2/19/2021 7:13 pm : link
In comment 15157478 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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People in the front office view Randle as a long term piece and part of the youth



Because he's been in the league so long...I sometimes forget Randle is just 26. He's still a pup in this league. And he's been UFB this season.


He was on JJ redicks podcast, which is very good by the way, i think he was on yesterday..

He was tlaking about when he first came into the league, you forget he lost his rookie season and then his 2nd year there was no developing, it was all about Kobes final year..Hr basically lost 2 years of developing..

He also insinuated Lakers were never about developing their young players
nygiants16  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/19/2021 7:17 pm : link
I saw that Randle was on Redick's post. I plan on listening it on run tomorrow. Not surprised about Lakers not developing youngins during Kobe's swan song.
Pistons at Knicks added march 4th 730pm  
nygiants16 : 2/19/2021 9:04 pm : link
..
Lonzo Bqll playing himself  
nygiants16 : 2/20/2021 8:22 am : link
into a bigger contract this offseason, will be interesting where the Pelicans are at come the deadline. They may have some spare parts to sell off
Anthony Edwards with the poster of the year  
adamg : 2/20/2021 8:55 am : link
Yesterday
RE: Anthony Edwards with the poster of the year  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/20/2021 11:52 am : link
In comment 15157596 adamg said:
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Yesterday


Incredible dunk, but he went 3 for 14 last night. I would take Wiseman, Ball, & a bunch of other 2020 dudes above Edwards right now. He's not even 20 so a lot of time for him to take it up another level.
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