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Chris L. : 2/17/2021 5:11 pm
The way this team is playing we need a game thread for every game! Winnable game tonight with a big break coming up after the game. Go Knicks!!!!
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nygiants  
ryanmkeane : 2/18/2021 10:22 am : link
would I trade Barrett for LaVine? Perhaps. But the Bulls aren't doing that.
again i just think the entire Knicks fandom  
ryanmkeane : 2/18/2021 10:24 am : link
just needs to relax a bit. This is the first time we've had this much talent in like 20 years. Let's just let them play for two years together before we start to trade everybody.

They aren't even that good right now and the collective age of the team is like 23 and are the 6th seed in the East!
and i'm not saying  
ryanmkeane : 2/18/2021 10:26 am : link
don't listen to trade offers. But - let's let these teams come to the Knicks and not the other way around
RE: RE: ^^^^  
Del Shofner : 2/18/2021 10:26 am : link
In comment 15156073 Heisenberg said:
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In comment 15156018 Del Shofner said:


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I continue to think they should bring up one of the C's from the G League. I agree they miss Mitch and Taj is not always the answer depending on the opponent. Give one of the young guys a try until Mitch is back.



I'm not sure any of those guys would help. Although one of them is entertainingly named "Shittu" or something like that


Shittu is averaging 16+ points and 11+ rebounds in 27 minutes per game in the G League. I know it's a lower level of comp but I'd like to see what he can do in the NBA. Probably won't happen though.
I'll say this  
ryanmkeane : 2/18/2021 10:30 am : link
in the years after the Garnett/Pierce/Allen era, Danny Ainge got shit for years for not doing crazy trades and keeping the young talent (Tatum, Brown, Smart). Have they won a title? No. But they are basically in the conference semis every single year, and were 1 game away from the finals last season. Brown has blossomed into one of the league's best swingmen and Tatum is probably in the top 10 if you started a draft right now.

The one time he traded for a star (Irving), it worked for 1 season and then blew up, they even made the conference finals without him.

Keep building with the young talent, acquire assets, make smart draft picks, and see what happens.
RE: nygiants  
nygiants16 : 2/18/2021 10:30 am : link
In comment 15156095 ryanmkeane said:
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would I trade Barrett for LaVine? Perhaps. But the Bulls aren't doing that.


Lavine wont be traded until the offseason if he is traded, unless he asks out..

Bulls will offer him an extension and if he passes then they will most likely move him
RE: I'll say this  
nygiants16 : 2/18/2021 10:31 am : link
In comment 15156105 ryanmkeane said:
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in the years after the Garnett/Pierce/Allen era, Danny Ainge got shit for years for not doing crazy trades and keeping the young talent (Tatum, Brown, Smart). Have they won a title? No. But they are basically in the conference semis every single year, and were 1 game away from the finals last season. Brown has blossomed into one of the league's best swingmen and Tatum is probably in the top 10 if you started a draft right now.

The one time he traded for a star (Irving), it worked for 1 season and then blew up, they even made the conference finals without him.

Keep building with the young talent, acquire assets, make smart draft picks, and see what happens.


ainge got brown and tatum but he didnt capitilize on that trade like he could have..

Celtics are fading right now, their team is not very good
i get that about  
ryanmkeane : 2/18/2021 10:32 am : link
LaVine but...why wouldn't the Bulls want to sign him? They are trying to build something there and he's blossoming into a star. They have a good coach now. Some good young talent. I don't get the notion that LaVine is going to not be on the Bulls.
nygiants  
ryanmkeane : 2/18/2021 10:33 am : link
the Celtics are fine. They've had some injuries and covid issues this year. They are going through a rough stretch like they do every season. But they will be there like they always are.
Celtics  
ryanmkeane : 2/18/2021 10:34 am : link
will finish in the 3-4 seed and do damage in the playoffs because of their talent, playoff experience, toughness, and good coaching. They aren't always the best regular season team.
RE: i get that about  
nygiants16 : 2/18/2021 10:35 am : link
In comment 15156113 ryanmkeane said:
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LaVine but...why wouldn't the Bulls want to sign him? They are trying to build something there and he's blossoming into a star. They have a good coach now. Some good young talent. I don't get the notion that LaVine is going to not be on the Bulls.


Bulls can want to sign him all theu want IF he wants to leave he will be able to..

RE: Celtics  
nygiants16 : 2/18/2021 10:36 am : link
In comment 15156118 ryanmkeane said:
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will finish in the 3-4 seed and do damage in the playoffs because of their talent, playoff experience, toughness, and good coaching. They aren't always the best regular season team.


Celtics biggest issue is they have zero depth and Kemba is not playing well at all..

They will make the playoffs absolutely
I'll also say that the 2021 draft class  
ryanmkeane : 2/18/2021 10:38 am : link
is loaded. This is the perfect draft for Knicks to take two guys in the top 20.
RE: RE: Barrett was producing tonight when he got pulled  
djm : 2/18/2021 10:42 am : link
In comment 15155923 adamg said:
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He was,at the time, 5-9 from the field and 4-5 free throws for his 15 points.

He had six points in the third quarter before he got pulled, including an "and-one" drive to the hoop that made the highlights.

It could be that TT got angry that his favorite, D Rose, went 1-10 and he took it out on RJ and Payton.

But, in the fourth quarter, TT wasn't trying to win the game as first priority. He wanted to win it without Barrett on the floor or not at all.

And one reason for that could be that he wants to show the FO that he doesn't need Barrett.





If you're right, that's really shitty.


You guys don't actually believe that nonsense do you?
everyone (or at least some)  
djm : 2/18/2021 10:44 am : link
take a deep breath, step away from the ledge and calm the fuck down. One loss. ON the road. That's life. 2 games under 500. Get em on Sunday.
RE: and i'm not saying  
djm : 2/18/2021 10:48 am : link
In comment 15156099 ryanmkeane said:
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don't listen to trade offers. But - let's let these teams come to the Knicks and not the other way around


I agree more or less. KNicks don't have to do anything right now. Just be open to deals and consider every option, which I think they are doing and will do. I love where they sit. Love the young players. No need to panic.

I still think this team finishes above 500 if no more deals are even made. People are acting like they peaked already but what if they haven't peaked yet? New HC weird season....it stands to reason this team might have room to improve as constituted.
Before the Atlanta game  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/18/2021 11:20 am : link
RJ had a string 3, 13, 7, and 8 point games. Nothing wrong with pulling him back a bit when he's not playing good basketball. He's still learning. Part of learning is accountability.
Is it a lock Jrue resigns with the Bucks?  
nygiants16 : 2/18/2021 11:20 am : link
Looking at free agents he is someone that seems like a great fit
RJ  
Mike from SI : 2/18/2021 11:22 am : link
This is a quote from a fantasy basketball site. This is what people are complaining about? If we were told going into the season this would be his progression, we'd be happy.

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He’s improved from 40% to 42 % FG% this year over last year. Likewise, he has raised his scoring from 14.3 to 16.5, his assists are up from 2.6 last year to 3.1 this year, and his rebounds are up from 5.0 as a rookie to 6.2 RPG.
I have been thinking about this  
nygiants16 : 2/18/2021 4:01 pm : link
If you could get Drummond for practically nothing, i think i would do it..You get the rest of the seasom to see how he fits with Randle, he is only 27, if he doesnt fit you can still keep Mitch..

If Drummond fits, you could trade Mitch before you have to pay him..

yeah i mean this is pretty much what i said yesterday....  
Italianju : 2/18/2021 4:19 pm : link
you only do it if you can get him for nothing. Adding talented NBA players like Rose and Drummond for nothing make the team better. Noel is better in short spurts and Taj should not be relied on to play every day. If Mitch has any sort of setback then we go to feeling strong about center to being very concerned.
RE: yeah i mean this is pretty much what i said yesterday....  
nygiants16 : 2/18/2021 4:24 pm : link
In comment 15156577 Italianju said:
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you only do it if you can get him for nothing. Adding talented NBA players like Rose and Drummond for nothing make the team better. Noel is better in short spurts and Taj should not be relied on to play every day. If Mitch has any sort of setback then we go to feeling strong about center to being very concerned.


Yeah, i was one who said no way, adding drummond adds a guy eho can pound down low, you will never get out rebounded, has more offensive game than any big knicks have..

and he is expiring so if it doesnt work you jist dont resign him
NBA going through with All Star weekend.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/18/2021 4:29 pm : link
Idiotic.
Would CLE do Frank for Dummond?  
adamg : 2/18/2021 4:31 pm : link
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RE: Would CLE do Frank for Dummond?  
adamg : 2/18/2021 4:31 pm : link
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Does that salary work?
Frank and Bullock...  
Italianju : 2/18/2021 4:33 pm : link
is close to working i think. I think if CLE can get a former lottery pick and save 16 mill or whatever they save by trading him to us vs a team that is capped out then its a good deal for them. I mean the rumored teams interested in acquiring him are pretty light on assets.
Frank and Burks for salary?  
adamg : 2/18/2021 4:34 pm : link
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RE: Frank and Burks for salary?  
adamg : 2/18/2021 4:38 pm : link
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Looks like this works.
im not trading Burks...  
Italianju : 2/18/2021 4:39 pm : link
I think like Frank, Bullock, and Iggy would work. Or another end of the bench guy.
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nygiants16 : 2/18/2021 4:39 pm : link
Frank, Knox and Rivers for Drummond i think works..

RE: im not trading Burks...  
adamg : 2/18/2021 4:40 pm : link
In comment 15156603 Italianju said:
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I think like Frank, Bullock, and Iggy would work. Or another end of the bench guy.


You're right. That might be a sweeter deal for the CAVs too since Iggy is still on his rookie deal.
You would think  
nygiants16 : 2/18/2021 4:40 pm : link
Cleveland wants this to be done sooner rather than later
id give up one of Frank or Knox...  
Italianju : 2/18/2021 4:41 pm : link
but id rather not trade both. For whatever reason former lottery picks that are their age still have NBA value so i think we could use them in another deal.

If it was Knox, Bullock, and Iggy we would have to add in like pinson as well or something. Either way we can make it work im sure.

Or yeah throw in rivers, i still like him on that contract, but if they trade him, so be it.
RE: id give up one of Frank or Knox...  
nygiants16 : 2/18/2021 4:49 pm : link
In comment 15156609 Italianju said:
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but id rather not trade both. For whatever reason former lottery picks that are their age still have NBA value so i think we could use them in another deal.

If it was Knox, Bullock, and Iggy we would have to add in like pinson as well or something. Either way we can make it work im sure.

Or yeah throw in rivers, i still like him on that contract, but if they trade him, so be it.


the only team i think that can flat out just take on that salary is Boston
i could def see BOS...  
Italianju : 2/18/2021 5:09 pm : link
making a trade. No idea if guys like Robert or Grant WIlliams or other younger players they have on the roster have value. I mean they could easily have more value then Frank, ha.

Also could make some sense for BOS to throw in a pick if that is what it takes, they are closer to competing the we are.
RE: i could def see BOS...  
nygiants16 : 2/18/2021 5:20 pm : link
In comment 15156637 Italianju said:
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making a trade. No idea if guys like Robert or Grant WIlliams or other younger players they have on the roster have value. I mean they could easily have more value then Frank, ha.

Also could make some sense for BOS to throw in a pick if that is what it takes, they are closer to competing the we are.


Boston has that big trade exception so it would just be a straight aalary dump, cant add anything to deal
Column by  
Mike from SI : 2/18/2021 5:44 pm : link
Berman below.
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they can make two separate deals though right...  
Italianju : 2/18/2021 6:04 pm : link
like drummond for the TPE and then whatever player or picks CLE wants for whatever bum that makes what williams makes.
Berman as shitty as always...  
Italianju : 2/18/2021 6:05 pm : link
refers to aaron gordon as the Magics best player, i think Vuc would have a lot to say about that. But this time i tend to agree, if you get him for spare parts then do it.
Why would the Knicks want drummond?  
GMEN46 : 2/18/2021 6:33 pm : link
It makes no sense, Mitch will be back for most of the second half of the season. I have no interest in Drummond. Terrible fir next to Randle, terrible defender, can’t shoot.

I am not sure how some of these sports writers get these jobs. Berman literally knows nothing about basketball and how players fit with each other. Mitch is the future and he will be very cost efficient even after this year. I think I read his max is something like $14-$15 million a year.
Berman needs content to shovel out every day.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/18/2021 6:37 pm : link
Thibs is probably puking his lunch at the thought of Drummond on his team and what it would do to his defense.
Jared Harper has range  
nygiants16 : 2/18/2021 7:26 pm : link
..
Kyrie Irving an East All-Star starter...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/18/2021 7:41 pm : link
Shows you can go AWOL without any repercussions.
everybody on tnt  
nygiants16 : 2/18/2021 7:41 pm : link
says Randle should be an all star reserve
RE: everybody on tnt  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/18/2021 8:16 pm : link
In comment 15156748 nygiants16 said:
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says Randle should be an all star reserve


100%.
I expect the Bucks to make a move at the deadline  
nygiants16 : 2/18/2021 9:02 pm : link
lost 4 in a row and down 20 at half
Norman Powell in free agency  
nygiants16 : 2/18/2021 9:31 pm : link
would be a nice get, i wonder if Toronto is willing to pony up to keep him
Re: the discussion of Barrett earlier  
Greg from LI : 2/18/2021 10:50 pm : link
He is having a season of extremes. He had a stretch of games that were downright tremendous and a bunch of other games that were simply awful, a real all or nothing type season. He's proven a lot to me with his best games. The next step is to cut down on the frequency of those awful games.
RE: Re: the discussion of Barrett earlier  
djm : 2/19/2021 10:16 am : link
In comment 15156856 Greg from LI said:
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He is having a season of extremes. He had a stretch of games that were downright tremendous and a bunch of other games that were simply awful, a real all or nothing type season. He's proven a lot to me with his best games. The next step is to cut down on the frequency of those awful games.


Different styles and players but to me RJB is similar to former knick Gerald Wilkins. Solid player and RJB has room to grow and improve as he’s only 20, but right now he’s an up and down solid starting player.
RE: I expect the Bucks to make a move at the deadline  
TyreeHelmet : 2/19/2021 10:23 am : link
In comment 15156796 nygiants16 said:
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lost 4 in a row and down 20 at half


I doubt it happens but imagine if Jrue Holiday bolts this offseason? All those picks and swaps out the window for 1 season of Holiday. Giannis trade demand wouldn't be far behind.

Looking back the Bucks really made some bad choices in team building. Letting Brogdon walk for nothing? Why not be more agressive in CP3 than Holiday given the cost and fit on the court? They really need to treat Giannis like a big man/ roll man with guards who can create. They really don't have that at all.
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