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adamg : 2/17/2021 8:44 pm
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Star shortstop Fernando Tatis Jr. and the San Diego Padres are in agreement on a 14-year, $340 million contract extension, a source familiar with the deal tells ESPN.
adamg, wow, you nonchalanted  
section125 : 2/17/2021 8:51 pm : link
that! That is a freaking huge deal..

Padres are not messing around.
These types of deals becoming the norm...  
moze1021 : 2/17/2021 8:51 pm : link
9/10 years for Lindor and Conforto is probably what it will take... Just the reality now. You pay stars through age 36/38
Lindor was smart not to take 200  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/17/2021 8:54 pm : link
What a contract, wow.
He's  
pjcas18 : 2/17/2021 9:02 pm : link
22 years old. that's a lot of cash.

team has all the risk here, though if Tatis continues on his path of development overall and stays healthy it's probably a team friendly deal (but still risky obviously)

Acuna  
bigbluehoya : 2/17/2021 9:05 pm : link
should have his agent tarred and feathered.
The left side  
pjcas18 : 2/17/2021 9:06 pm : link
of the infield in SD (Machado and Tatis) is in place at least through 2028 (barring injury or trade or tragedy).

but also costs over half a billion dollars ($640M to be exact)

RE: adamg, wow, you nonchalanted  
adamg : 2/17/2021 9:17 pm : link
In comment 15155794 section125 said:
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that! That is a freaking huge deal..

Padres are not messing around.


Padres with an insane off-season. Yankee like.
RE: Acuna  
Jay on the Island : 2/17/2021 9:24 pm : link
In comment 15155817 bigbluehoya said:
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should have his agent tarred and feathered.

Ozzie Albies’ contract is far worse. The Braves should do the right thing in a couple of years and extend Albies longer and pay him like he deserves.
What’s changed with the Padres?  
Sean : 2/17/2021 9:39 pm : link
I know in recent years they’ve spent money, but never like this. They have given out two of the most expensive contracts in baseball, Machado & Tatis.
San Diego going all in.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/17/2021 9:41 pm : link
Good for them. Been to Petco 10 plus times. Awesome park.
RE: RE: Acuna  
bigbluehoya : 2/17/2021 9:53 pm : link
In comment 15155842 Jay on the Island said:
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In comment 15155817 bigbluehoya said:


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should have his agent tarred and feathered.


Ozzie Albies’ contract is far worse. The Braves should do the right thing in a couple of years and extend Albies longer and pay him like he deserves.


Albies awful too. but he's not really Tatis' peer group, and I don't mean that as a slight.

Tatis career wRC+ is 150, Acuna 137. We are talking about a couple of generational talents.

Albies 108. Still love the player, and he's got room to grow. I don't think we are talking about a potential all-time great like we are with the other two (and Soto, who may be better than all of them).
$340 million  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 2/17/2021 10:00 pm : link
for 149 MLB games.

The kid looks like the goods but that's absurd.
RE: $340 million  
Sean : 2/17/2021 10:08 pm : link
In comment 15155857 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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for 149 MLB games.

The kid looks like the goods but that's absurd.


Really? You wouldn’t have made this deal if you were SD? He’s lived up to his high potential thus far, and SD getting ahead of this may have ultimately saved them money.

Let’s put it this way, would you rather this contract with Tatis, or the remaining Phillies contract with Harper?
RE: RE: $340 million  
RasputinPrime : 2/17/2021 10:24 pm : link
In comment 15155864 Sean said:
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for 149 MLB games.

The kid looks like the goods but that's absurd.



Really? You wouldn’t have made this deal if you were SD? He’s lived up to his high potential thus far, and SD getting ahead of this may have ultimately saved them money.

Let’s put it this way, would you rather this contract with Tatis, or the remaining Phillies contract with Harper?


No way would I pay him that much guaranteed at 22 years of age. Weird deal for both sides.
Tatis is just what mlb needs  
bcinsd : 2/17/2021 11:18 pm : link
I'm a Padres fan.
Watched almost all their games last season.

Tatis is awesome. He has a great combination of power, average, speed, and attitude. His uniform is always dirty from his aggressive play. But beyond that, he is clearly the team leader. He is energy, joy, and enthusiasm. Always dancing in the dugout, picking up teammates. He's always the first one out of the dugout to congratulate teammates for HR or other great play.

Its obvious his teammates love to play with him. He keeps everyone loose and smiling. The team always looks like their having a great time playing baseball together. That is what really makes him special.

I super pleased they've locked him up long-term. This contract will probably look like a steal in just a few years.

RE: adamg, wow, you nonchalanted  
adamg : 2/18/2021 12:33 am : link
In comment 15155794 section125 said:
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that! That is a freaking huge deal..


Haha. I got called out the other day for making a milquetoast thread. I guess I went the opposite way this time. I'll get it just right next time!

Not much for the clickbait though.
RE: RE: adamg, wow, you nonchalanted  
section125 : 2/18/2021 6:18 am : link
In comment 15155909 adamg said:
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that! That is a freaking huge deal..




Haha. I got called out the other day for making a milquetoast thread. I guess I went the opposite way this time. I'll get it just right next time!

Not much for the clickbait though.


Nah, no callout. Just very understated for what I'm used to seeing around here.
RE: The left side  
Tuckrule : 2/18/2021 6:18 am : link
In comment 15155818 pjcas18 said:
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of the infield in SD (Machado and Tatis) is in place at least through 2028 (barring injury or trade or tragedy).

but also costs over half a billion dollars ($640M to be exact)


Isnt machado 29. Sounds good it your talking 7 years from now with manny at that high price. Baseball players aren’t raking into their mid 30s anymore. Doesn’t happen
The price tag for Lindor  
johnnyb : 2/18/2021 7:19 am : link
just went up.
RE: What’s changed with the Padres?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/18/2021 8:13 am : link
In comment 15155848 Sean said:
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I know in recent years they’ve spent money, but never like this. They have given out two of the most expensive contracts in baseball, Machado & Tatis.


Owner cares about winning, recognizes he's got a top 10, maybe top 5 player at age 22. Wish more owners cared about winning first before financials.
RE: RE: Acuna  
DCGMan : 2/18/2021 8:23 am : link
In comment 15155842 Jay on the Island said:
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should have his agent tarred and feathered.


Ozzie Albies’ contract is far worse. The Braves should do the right thing in a couple of years and extend Albies longer and pay him like he deserves.


Yeah, I hope AA is smart enough to realize the current contracts of both and these other contracts may cause resentment and ultimately hurt their personal production.

Hope AA is smart enough to restructure. He’ll likely be able to extend both through their peak years if desired while increasing salary.
RE: RE: RE: Acuna  
Jay on the Island : 2/18/2021 9:19 am : link
In comment 15155973 DCGMan said:
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In comment 15155842 Jay on the Island said:


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In comment 15155817 bigbluehoya said:


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should have his agent tarred and feathered.


Ozzie Albies’ contract is far worse. The Braves should do the right thing in a couple of years and extend Albies longer and pay him like he deserves.



Yeah, I hope AA is smart enough to realize the current contracts of both and these other contracts may cause resentment and ultimately hurt their personal production.

Hope AA is smart enough to restructure. He’ll likely be able to extend both through their peak years if desired while increasing salary.

I hope so but the problem with the Braves having so many good prospects is that the ones that live up to their potential will eventually have to be payed. Max Fried, Mike Soroka, Ian Anderson, AJ Minter, Dansby Swanson, etc will need to be extended in the next few years. Also the Braves are working on an extension with Freddie Freeman who’s contract expires at seasons end. The Braves likely can’t afford the to give Albies and Acuna fair market value after they extend all of those guys. That is unless they too agree to an Acuna/Albies type extension early.
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Named Later : 2/18/2021 10:12 am : link
Speaking as a Mets fan.....that's a problem I'd like to have !!

That creates the impetus to get better at your craft. If Dansby doesn't show improvement, he may find himself at the end of the line for this gravy train.

What's Freddy Feeman's contract status ??
When Chipper JOnes came up for contract renewal.....he just signed a blank page and told the GM to fill in the amount.
RE: The price tag for Lindor  
bigbluehoya : 2/18/2021 10:27 am : link
In comment 15155937 johnnyb said:
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just went up.


call me crazy, but I don't really think this impacts Lindor talks at all.

Completely different situation. Tatis had 5-6 years left to free agency and is 22 years old.

Tatis' only peer group at this point is Acuna and Soto.

The names that should be highly impactful to Lindor are Correa, Seager, Baez, Story. Really interesting market there.

My uneducated guess is that the Mets and Lindor will be the first movers of that group and have a big impact on the way the UFA SS market play out over the next 12 months.



RE: ..  
Jay on the Island : 2/18/2021 10:33 am : link
In comment 15156087 Named Later said:
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Speaking as a Mets fan.....that's a problem I'd like to have !!

That creates the impetus to get better at your craft. If Dansby doesn't show improvement, he may find himself at the end of the line for this gravy train.

What's Freddy Feeman's contract status ??
When Chipper JOnes came up for contract renewal.....he just signed a blank page and told the GM to fill in the amount.

Freeman is a FA after this season. The Braves are working hard on an extension now. Rumor is that they will focus on Fried next. Swanson made big strides last season at the plate. The problem with him is that he starts the season strong but he always suffers and injury and then he struggles upon returning. If he continues to improve at the plate then he will be a core player moving forward. If not the Braves will either replace him with prospect Braden Shewmake or they also have the option of moving Albies back to SS.
I love the deal for the Padres.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 2/18/2021 10:44 am : link
It’s an aggressive deal with an elite talent and even if he falls off the final 3-4 seasons, it’s still not onerous.

Tatis couldn’t possibly turn down that much guaranteed money.
RE: RE: $340 million  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 2/18/2021 10:50 am : link
In comment 15155864 Sean said:
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In comment 15155857 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:


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for 149 MLB games.

The kid looks like the goods but that's absurd.



Really? You wouldn’t have made this deal if you were SD? He’s lived up to his high potential thus far, and SD getting ahead of this may have ultimately saved them money.

Let’s put it this way, would you rather this contract with Tatis, or the remaining Phillies contract with Harper?


I understand the logic from the Padres side of it. They think Tatis is the real deal. He was a Top 3 prospect entering 2019, and in 2019-20 he has performed at an elite level in the bigs over the first 150 games of his MLB career. If he simply stays healthy keeps up his performance over his first 150 games over the next 14 years, this will be a steal of a deal especially in his 30s. And obviously he could be even better than his current form.

But yes, I think guaranteeing $340 million to someone who hasn't even proven they can maintain their performance over the grind of a 162 game season, let alone stay healthy for all those games, is pretty risky and unprecedented.

Tatis was on the DL two times in 2019 for a hamstring issue and a stress reaction in his lower back that ended his season early. In 2018, Tatis had a thumb injury that required surgery and ended his minor league season. Him playing 59/60 games in last year's COVID season doesn't really answer his durability concerns.

$340 million for a 22 year old with less than 150 big league games who has ended his season on the DL in 2 of the previous 3 years is a ridiculous gamble. I love him as a talent and think that him and Soto have the best chance to take the throne of best player in the sport once Trout and Mookie slow down. And I get that this $340 million could be an absolute steal. But there is significant risk with this deal and I don't want this to be a new normal with giving monster contracts to guys with such limited MLB experience.
I think this is a great deal for SD.  
Section331 : 2/18/2021 11:00 am : link
Injury is always a concern, but the likelihood of a career-ending injury is extremely low, and would likely be covered by insurance anyway. Sure, $340M is a lot of money, but the AAV is going to look like peanuts in a couple of years.
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