Although I don’t think it’s good for Giants for it to go up too much. They are in a decent cap situation
Of course it's good for the Giants if it goes up. There are guys to bring back and holes to fill. The roster still needs to retain some key players and make serious improvement. Can't do that without room.
the more likely they may be able to bring back tomlinson on a 1 year deal
Why would he sign a 1 year deal? He proved his value in 2020, no reason I can think of to risk a big payday just to wait for the cap to rise in 2022.
If it goes up to like 190 I think they could potentially re-sign LW, Tomlinson and make another move. Maybe a WR? I mean they can get creative in future years and pull that off at 180, but then you obviously start hurting future years by kicking the can down the road.
The raising of the cap helps or hurts any team more than any other. I guess if you had a lot of deals backloaded to 2021 you would need to make room either by cuts or renegotiated deals. However, when the cap goes down, it also drives down the cost of FAs. Guys like Tomlinson aren’t going to get paid as much as you think they are if there is less money in the FA pool across the league.
but I don't see why anyone that had a good-great season would take a 1 year deal. If the hope is the cap will go back to normal next year and then get a better deal, that's a huge risk for the player.
That the contracts signed in this FA class are going to be lower than years past and I believe this will spurn some significant holdouts in a year or two.
the more likely they may be able to bring back tomlinson on a 1 year deal
Why would he sign a 1 year deal? He proved his value in 2020, no reason I can think of to risk a big payday just to wait for the cap to rise in 2022.
it's possible teams aren't going to spend a ton this year much like MLB and blame the cap on it. Billionaires don't want to spend big money on players until they know fans are coming back to help recoup that money. If that's the case DT might take a one year deal to stay in the same system.
To date DT, as a second round pick, has made $4,572,101. If the Giants were to offer him a one year $8 million deal, nearly double the money he's made in his career in one year, he might take it.
how no one seems to be saying that Leonard Williams may have cost himself some money due to what has transpired the last year or so here. Fans immediately just jump to the conclusion that LW is a money hungry player who only played well in his walk year and will now cash in and cash out on the Giants. Meanwhile, in the real world, revenues are down. And guess who is a FA. MAybe he should have signed last year...
not that I really care. I hope he gets a mint from the Giants.
the more likely they may be able to bring back tomlinson on a 1 year deal
Why would he sign a 1 year deal? He proved his value in 2020, no reason I can think of to risk a big payday just to wait for the cap to rise in 2022.
a lot of players are going to take 1 year deals this year. some players like chase edmonds have been tweeting about it a lot due to the cap situation most teams are in. this will affect players exactly like tomlinson. LW type players will likely been unaffected
Haven't you taken it on the chin enough lately with these kind of topics? Saw a few posts yesterday that didn't look good...
Don’t let djm’s former career as an accountant at Enron fool you. He knows the cap. Just pay a player whatever it takes and simply amortize the costs over a hundred years. Problem solved.
but Chase Edmonds production + position make more sense for that. I'm sure there will be plenty of 1 year deals but I'm not sure the better FA's will all take that risk. Dalvin is looking at $20-$25m guaranteed.
Haven't you taken it on the chin enough lately with these kind of topics? Saw a few posts yesterday that didn't look good...
Don’t let djm’s former career as an accountant at Enron fool you. He knows the cap. Just pay a player whatever it takes and simply amortize the costs over a hundred years. Problem solved.
Go to the Chad Forbes thread and read some of the posts between him and a few others yesterday.
Its like listening to that rich girl Veruca from Willie Wonka & the Chocolate Factory...
the more likely they may be able to bring back tomlinson on a 1 year deal
The higher it goes, the less likely Tomlinson would be to take a 1-year deal. The only viable reason he would have to sign for 1 year would be if the 2nd tier of FAs gets squeezed due to the cap decrease (stars are going to get their money, vet minimum guys are going to get signed to fill rosters; the vast in-between is where the question marks reside).
If the cap ends up being even higher than $180MM, it increases the money available league-wide for middle-tier FAs, which increases the likelihood of someone offering Tomlinson a pretty decent multi-year contract (especially when you consider that the only way a 1-year deal is better for the Giants is if it's a relatively cheap deal, because there's no way to spread the money on a single-year contract - that creates a pretty low bar for any multi-year contract offer to surpass).
from anyone or Giants. I think you are all assuming he will. NYG will offer 16-18m a year and he'll take it, because he is not getting 20-22m a year anywhere else. He is not QB money, he is very very good though.
from anyone or Giants. I think you are all assuming he will. NYG will offer 16-18m a year and he'll take it, because he is not getting 20-22m a year anywhere else. He is not QB money, he is very very good though.
Unfortunately $20M+/year is no longer QB money (which has skyrocketed to $30M+/year), instead it's what top passrushers are getting. And there are teams with $30M-$60M in cap space who would be willing to pay him that same as we were willing to make Olivier Vernon the highest paid passrusher a few years ago, not because he was the best in the league, but because he was the best that was available in free agency that particular year. This is why the Giants can't let Williams get to free agency. They need to either sign him to a longterm deal or tag him at $19.4M.
p.s.--I'm expecting the salary cap to be north of $190M when the smoke clears (and there's always plenty of smoke this time of year).
This isn’t good news at all. The league and PA set a floor of 170M, hoping that was the worst case scenario. Per the article the revenue formula would have actually set the cap at 160M.
As reported last week the league, owners, and players are working to negotiate a way to borrow from the future. This means they are borrowing around ~20M, to shore up 2021.
from anyone or Giants. I think you are all assuming he will. NYG will offer 16-18m a year and he'll take it, because he is not getting 20-22m a year anywhere else. He is not QB money, he is very very good though.
You do realize LW made $16.1M in 2020. And he's going to get at least 120% of that if franchised. Which is $19.3M.
So why would he want less than that for any long term deal?
1 long term deal could have more guaranteed money that is protected against injury
2 He can take 19.3 million and not have to worry about working again if he does not want to.
from anyone or Giants. I think you are all assuming he will. NYG will offer 16-18m a year and he'll take it, because he is not getting 20-22m a year anywhere else. He is not QB money, he is very very good though.
It really depends what years you're looking at. I've posted this a few times -- I think the best comparable contract is the deal KC gave Chris Jones, 4/80M.
The first two years have ~37M fully guaranteed, and the final two years have ~43M with 750K guaranteed.
I think it's very likely this type of contract will be available to Williams on the open market.
1 long term deal could have more guaranteed money that is protected against injury
2 He can take 19.3 million and not have to worry about working again if he does not want to.
$19.3M is not a favorable outcome for the Giants.
At least a multi-year deal would allow them to manage the cap hits year-to-year to balance against what is probably going to be a somewhat volatile cap for the next few years.
The franchise tag locks up that whole inflated number this year, in a down cycle for the cap, and then we're right back in the same boat a year from now. Tagging him last year made some sense - DG couldn't let LW walk, they couldn't agree on a deal, putting LW on a prove-it contract had some merit given his play in 2019.
But then he did prove it - good for him, and good for the Giants. Tagging him again is not only a financially imprudent decision, it may also create a ripple effect that other agents and players will take note of.
I hope the Giants keep LW, but I really hope they don't use the tag again to do so.
Of course it's good for the Giants if it goes up. There are guys to bring back and holes to fill. The roster still needs to retain some key players and make serious improvement. Can't do that without room.
Why would he sign a 1 year deal? He proved his value in 2020, no reason I can think of to risk a big payday just to wait for the cap to rise in 2022.
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the more likely they may be able to bring back tomlinson on a 1 year deal
Why would he sign a 1 year deal? He proved his value in 2020, no reason I can think of to risk a big payday just to wait for the cap to rise in 2022.
If it goes up to like 190 I think they could potentially re-sign LW, Tomlinson and make another move. Maybe a WR? I mean they can get creative in future years and pull that off at 180, but then you obviously start hurting future years by kicking the can down the road.
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the more likely they may be able to bring back tomlinson on a 1 year deal
Why would he sign a 1 year deal? He proved his value in 2020, no reason I can think of to risk a big payday just to wait for the cap to rise in 2022.
it's possible teams aren't going to spend a ton this year much like MLB and blame the cap on it. Billionaires don't want to spend big money on players until they know fans are coming back to help recoup that money. If that's the case DT might take a one year deal to stay in the same system.
To date DT, as a second round pick, has made $4,572,101. If the Giants were to offer him a one year $8 million deal, nearly double the money he's made in his career in one year, he might take it.
The higher it goes, the higher Leonard Williams' ask goes...
not that I really care. I hope he gets a mint from the Giants.
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the more likely they may be able to bring back tomlinson on a 1 year deal
The higher it goes, the higher Leonard Williams' ask goes...
Right on cue...
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the more likely they may be able to bring back tomlinson on a 1 year deal
Why would he sign a 1 year deal? He proved his value in 2020, no reason I can think of to risk a big payday just to wait for the cap to rise in 2022.
a lot of players are going to take 1 year deals this year. some players like chase edmonds have been tweeting about it a lot due to the cap situation most teams are in. this will affect players exactly like tomlinson. LW type players will likely been unaffected
Don’t let djm’s former career as an accountant at Enron fool you. He knows the cap. Just pay a player whatever it takes and simply amortize the costs over a hundred years. Problem solved.
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Haven't you taken it on the chin enough lately with these kind of topics? Saw a few posts yesterday that didn't look good...
Don’t let djm’s former career as an accountant at Enron fool you. He knows the cap. Just pay a player whatever it takes and simply amortize the costs over a hundred years. Problem solved.
Go to the Chad Forbes thread and read some of the posts between him and a few others yesterday.
Its like listening to that rich girl Veruca from Willie Wonka & the Chocolate Factory...
That gives teams a starting point when figuring out where they are cap wise.
The higher it goes, the less likely Tomlinson would be to take a 1-year deal. The only viable reason he would have to sign for 1 year would be if the 2nd tier of FAs gets squeezed due to the cap decrease (stars are going to get their money, vet minimum guys are going to get signed to fill rosters; the vast in-between is where the question marks reside).
If the cap ends up being even higher than $180MM, it increases the money available league-wide for middle-tier FAs, which increases the likelihood of someone offering Tomlinson a pretty decent multi-year contract (especially when you consider that the only way a 1-year deal is better for the Giants is if it's a relatively cheap deal, because there's no way to spread the money on a single-year contract - that creates a pretty low bar for any multi-year contract offer to surpass).
p.s.--I'm expecting the salary cap to be north of $190M when the smoke clears (and there's always plenty of smoke this time of year).
As reported last week the league, owners, and players are working to negotiate a way to borrow from the future. This means they are borrowing around ~20M, to shore up 2021.
You do realize LW made $16.1M in 2020. And he's going to get at least 120% of that if franchised. Which is $19.3M.
So why would he want less than that for any long term deal?
2 He can take 19.3 million and not have to worry about working again if he does not want to.
It really depends what years you're looking at. I've posted this a few times -- I think the best comparable contract is the deal KC gave Chris Jones, 4/80M.
The first two years have ~37M fully guaranteed, and the final two years have ~43M with 750K guaranteed.
I think it's very likely this type of contract will be available to Williams on the open market.
2 He can take 19.3 million and not have to worry about working again if he does not want to.
$19.3M is not a favorable outcome for the Giants.
At least a multi-year deal would allow them to manage the cap hits year-to-year to balance against what is probably going to be a somewhat volatile cap for the next few years.
The franchise tag locks up that whole inflated number this year, in a down cycle for the cap, and then we're right back in the same boat a year from now. Tagging him last year made some sense - DG couldn't let LW walk, they couldn't agree on a deal, putting LW on a prove-it contract had some merit given his play in 2019.
But then he did prove it - good for him, and good for the Giants. Tagging him again is not only a financially imprudent decision, it may also create a ripple effect that other agents and players will take note of.
I hope the Giants keep LW, but I really hope they don't use the tag again to do so.