Philadelphia has agreed to trade Carson Wentz to the Indianapolis Colts in exchange for a 2021 third-round pick and a conditional 2022 second-round pick that could turn into a first, league sources tell
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really good news on the minimal haul. Goes to show what the league thinks of him and that contract. He basically netted far less than QB's of the past who were older and not as good.
I don't agree. Look up the historical QB trades, this is a lot less than the likes of Foles/Bradford. And the Colts must not care about the money if they traded for whom they assume will be their starter for atleast a few years.
I expected more.
RE: just getting out of his contract is a win for philly
they've recovered well at the QB position since Luck left. That's not always easy to do as we've seen with so many teams. Granted, Wentz isn't exactly a sure thing at this point but he seems like a solid gamble. It'll be a good trade for Philly too if the conditions are easy for that second rounder to turn into a first.
just sold their former stud QB for pennies on the dollar. They traded triple what they sold him for.
Not that I blame Philly, but it is astounding the leeway BBI shows for other teams while crushing NYG's every move.
This is NOT a good moment for PHilly. Not in any way shape or form. Good for them they escaped the big bad wolf of salary cap--they still gave up the QB that was their crown jewel not very long ago.
If the Colts turn him around the Eagles are going to look absolutely ridiculous. They wacked the HC and then wacked the QB.
Why Philly gave up to originally draft him and what they got back in a trade just a few years later, it’s a loss.
It's a monumental failure. Let's call is what it is. If The Giants traded Eli Manning after 07 for this package, my god this place would have gone completely ape shit.
Whatever. I take solace in knowing Philly screwed up the QB. I think Indy laughs last as Wentz has talent and will likely play well under Reich and away from that shit hole.
I don't agree. Look up the historical QB trades, this is a lot less than the likes of Foles/Bradford. And the Colts must not care about the money if they traded for whom they assume will be their starter for atleast a few years.
I expected more.
Its not just the picks as I assume the Wentz contract is far more expensive than those and they are able to shed that. And I don't think there was much a competitive bidding for Wentz at this point so there may not have been even Plan B.
Something was up with Wentz in Philly. A lot of rumors over the years about his personality in that locker room. It's not easy trading a contract like that with guarantees kicking in shortly after the start of the league year. Philly could have got stuck with that bill.
On the flip side, this is exactly the type of move that Indy needed to make. Brissett and Rivers were not part of the solution. Reich knows Wentz so this is more than a shot in the dark. Indy has a great OL and can run the ball and they have weapons. This will be the best situation Wentz has been in during his career and he had a great OL for most of it in Philly.
Another side note, I guess Luck isn't making a comeback? There were rumors about that.
both sides. Indy has an incredible offensive line and can prtect Wentz and I believe Frank Reich can get him back to form. Eagles got rid of that contract. It's a win-win. I wish the Eagles got fleeced a little more but oh well.
RE: RE: just getting out of his contract is a win for philly
Giants have no excuses if they can't take advantage of the division. Washington has no QB, Dallas has question marks, and Eagles into a rebuild.
The time is now........
It really is. And I think the Giants will take advantage at least to some extent. They will be better in 2021. And even just a little better might be enough to win the division.
is a great deal for Indy. They are obviously banking on Wentz returning to his form from before 2020. That is a defensible decision especially given the relatively low compensation. The main benefit to Philly is that they get rid of Wentz's contract. The compensation is undoubtedly a lot less than what they were hoping to get. I agree that this increases the chance Philly takes a QB at #6. Hurts will not prevent them from doing so.
I don't agree. Look up the historical QB trades, this is a lot less than the likes of Foles/Bradford. And the Colts must not care about the money if they traded for whom they assume will be their starter for atleast a few years.
I expected more.
Its not just the picks as I assume the Wentz contract is far more expensive than those and they are able to shed that. And I don't think there was much a competitive bidding for Wentz at this point so there may not have been even Plan B.
Good deal for Philly.
It's a failure no matter what simply based on how bad Wentz regressed and what preceded this move! They fired their super bowl winning HC! And god forbid if Wentz were ever to figure shit out in Indy. I pray that happens.
It might have been a necessary trade. Just like the KNicks dealing KP was "necessary"--it was still a huge fuck up and letting things even get to this point was crazy.
If Wentz is a good QB again this will go down as one of the worst trades in NFL history.
The return essentially is a 2021 third round pick and 2022 first.
Mike Garafolo
@MikeGarafolo
The conditional second-rounder in 2022 becomes a first-rounder if Wentz plays 75 percent of the snaps or 70 percent and the team makes the playoffs.
Still not bad for Eagles. The 1st is likely to be earned. They got to use him and then got some of the cost back. Overall net cost isn't bad for a starting QB for 5yrs.
I'm sure there would be a lot of happy BBI'ers on here if the Giants were able to sell Jones for a 1st and 3rd after his 5th year.
The return essentially is a 2021 third round pick and 2022 first.
Mike Garafolo
@MikeGarafolo
The conditional second-rounder in 2022 becomes a first-rounder if Wentz plays 75 percent of the snaps or 70 percent and the team makes the playoffs.
It's not a great return. It's a late 3rd rounder this year and by it's own conditions a late 1st rounder, for player that probably won't help any for 2-3 years to come.
The return essentially is a 2021 third round pick and 2022 first.
Mike Garafolo
@MikeGarafolo
The conditional second-rounder in 2022 becomes a first-rounder if Wentz plays 75 percent of the snaps or 70 percent and the team makes the playoffs.
Reich is going to bench Wentz every 4th quarter even if Indy has the lead and it'll be okay since they are not disrespecting the game. Hahaha.
RE: RE: RE: RE: That's a pretty good deal for Philly
I don't agree. Look up the historical QB trades, this is a lot less than the likes of Foles/Bradford. And the Colts must not care about the money if they traded for whom they assume will be their starter for atleast a few years.
I expected more.
Its not just the picks as I assume the Wentz contract is far more expensive than those and they are able to shed that. And I don't think there was much a competitive bidding for Wentz at this point so there may not have been even Plan B.
Good deal for Philly.
It's a failure no matter what simply based on how bad Wentz regressed and what preceded this move! They fired their super bowl winning HC! And god forbid if Wentz were ever to figure shit out in Indy. I pray that happens.
It might have been a necessary trade. Just like the KNicks dealing KP was "necessary"--it was still a huge fuck up and letting things even get to this point was crazy.
If Wentz is a good QB again this will go down as one of the worst trades in NFL history.
Only speaking of this transaction which had to happen before March 19th, not the rest of your piling on.
Philly was between a rock and a hardplace here, wake up...
really good news on the minimal haul. Goes to show what the league thinks of him and that contract. He basically netted far less than QB's of the past who were older and not as good.
Not sure about that. Once Philly tipped their hand that they were trading Wentz, I believe they lost some leverage in a trade. Why do you think the Texans are saying they won't trade Watson?
Regardless, Indy gets to take a chance to reunite Wentz with Reich without yielding a lot of assets.
Only cost them a 3rd and future 2nd to see if they can turn Wentz back into a franchise QB. If he does, then it will be well worth the 2 changing to a 1.
Allows the Giants to low ball for Watson. The Goff/Stafford trade nearly made it impossible to after Watson, now the playing field is leveled. Disgruntled QBs don't go for as much in trades
I would fire my GM. He traded a QB as good as if not better than Wentz, 2 first-round picks, and a Third for Matt Stafford. I know Stafford is a better QB than Wentz, but he's not 2 firsts, a third, and a Superbowl starting QB better.
I would fire my GM. He traded a QB as good as if not better than Wentz, 2 first-round picks, and a Third for Matt Stafford. I know Stafford is a better QB than Wentz, but he's not 2 firsts, a third, and a Superbowl starting QB better.
I would fire my GM. He traded a QB as good as if not better than Wentz, 2 first-round picks, and a Third for Matt Stafford. I know Stafford is a better QB than Wentz, but he's not 2 firsts, a third, and a Superbowl starting QB better.
McVay runs the show there.
He better win the Superbowl in the next 2 years, because that is an old team with no young talent in the wings.
And a high payroll
Glad no one overbid this.
75% of snaps played or 70% and Indy makes the playoffs, it becomes a first
I don't agree. Look up the historical QB trades, this is a lot less than the likes of Foles/Bradford. And the Colts must not care about the money if they traded for whom they assume will be their starter for atleast a few years.
I expected more.
They have a 33 million dead cap hit this year
Would love to read that hypothetical thread.
Add another to the long road littered with players that were going to “terrorize us for years to come”.
Not that I blame Philly, but it is astounding the leeway BBI shows for other teams while crushing NYG's every move.
This is NOT a good moment for PHilly. Not in any way shape or form. Good for them they escaped the big bad wolf of salary cap--they still gave up the QB that was their crown jewel not very long ago.
If the Colts turn him around the Eagles are going to look absolutely ridiculous. They wacked the HC and then wacked the QB.
I'd be stunned if Roseman wasn't fired in a year.
Giants have no excuses if they can't take advantage of the division. Washington has no QB, Dallas has question marks, and Eagles into a rebuild.
The time is now........
How do you know that?
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i'm surprised they even got that much. there clearly wasn't a market for him outside of indy as they were bidding against themselves
They have a 33 million dead cap hit this year
yes his contract was an albatross. if i'm indy i would want no part of paying wentz his yearly salaries
It's a monumental failure. Let's call is what it is. If The Giants traded Eli Manning after 07 for this package, my god this place would have gone completely ape shit.
Whatever. I take solace in knowing Philly screwed up the QB. I think Indy laughs last as Wentz has talent and will likely play well under Reich and away from that shit hole.
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could have been a lot worse...
I don't agree. Look up the historical QB trades, this is a lot less than the likes of Foles/Bradford. And the Colts must not care about the money if they traded for whom they assume will be their starter for atleast a few years.
I expected more.
Its not just the picks as I assume the Wentz contract is far more expensive than those and they are able to shed that. And I don't think there was much a competitive bidding for Wentz at this point so there may not have been even Plan B.
Good deal for Philly.
Goff traded to Lions
Stafford traded to Rams
Wentz traded to Colts
Expected retirement of Drew Brees
Possible retirement or release of Ben Roethlisberger
So now what?
Watson could (and I believe WILL) be traded. I think most likely suitors are:
Broncos where they can send Lock, Lindsay, Sutton and picks to Houston or something along those lines.
Jets- Darnold and multiple #1's to Houston
Panthers- #1's and CMac could be on the move
or maybe Dallas who gives up Elliott and some picks for Watson- letting Prescott go as a FA.
I could see Jimmy G getting released or traded (Patriots) and maybe Marcus Mariotta heading to Chicago.
Will be a very crazy offseason.
On the flip side, this is exactly the type of move that Indy needed to make. Brissett and Rivers were not part of the solution. Reich knows Wentz so this is more than a shot in the dark. Indy has a great OL and can run the ball and they have weapons. This will be the best situation Wentz has been in during his career and he had a great OL for most of it in Philly.
Another side note, I guess Luck isn't making a comeback? There were rumors about that.
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i'm surprised they even got that much. there clearly wasn't a market for him outside of indy as they were bidding against themselves
They have a 33 million dead cap hit this year
They're almost assuredly going to be wretched in 2021 anyway, so they may as well take the hit.
I'd be stunned if Roseman wasn't fired in a year.
Giants have no excuses if they can't take advantage of the division. Washington has no QB, Dallas has question marks, and Eagles into a rebuild.
The time is now........
It really is. And I think the Giants will take advantage at least to some extent. They will be better in 2021. And even just a little better might be enough to win the division.
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could have been a lot worse...
I don't agree. Look up the historical QB trades, this is a lot less than the likes of Foles/Bradford. And the Colts must not care about the money if they traded for whom they assume will be their starter for atleast a few years.
I expected more.
Its not just the picks as I assume the Wentz contract is far more expensive than those and they are able to shed that. And I don't think there was much a competitive bidding for Wentz at this point so there may not have been even Plan B.
Good deal for Philly.
It's a failure no matter what simply based on how bad Wentz regressed and what preceded this move! They fired their super bowl winning HC! And god forbid if Wentz were ever to figure shit out in Indy. I pray that happens.
It might have been a necessary trade. Just like the KNicks dealing KP was "necessary"--it was still a huge fuck up and letting things even get to this point was crazy.
If Wentz is a good QB again this will go down as one of the worst trades in NFL history.
Mike Garafolo
@MikeGarafolo
The conditional second-rounder in 2022 becomes a first-rounder if Wentz plays 75 percent of the snaps or 70 percent and the team makes the playoffs.
I'm sure there would be a lot of happy BBI'ers on here if the Giants were able to sell Jones for a 1st and 3rd after his 5th year.
Mike Garafolo
@MikeGarafolo
The conditional second-rounder in 2022 becomes a first-rounder if Wentz plays 75 percent of the snaps or 70 percent and the team makes the playoffs.
It's not a great return. It's a late 3rd rounder this year and by it's own conditions a late 1st rounder, for player that probably won't help any for 2-3 years to come.
Mike Garafolo
@MikeGarafolo
The conditional second-rounder in 2022 becomes a first-rounder if Wentz plays 75 percent of the snaps or 70 percent and the team makes the playoffs.
Reich is going to bench Wentz every 4th quarter even if Indy has the lead and it'll be okay since they are not disrespecting the game. Hahaha.
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could have been a lot worse...
I don't agree. Look up the historical QB trades, this is a lot less than the likes of Foles/Bradford. And the Colts must not care about the money if they traded for whom they assume will be their starter for atleast a few years.
I expected more.
Its not just the picks as I assume the Wentz contract is far more expensive than those and they are able to shed that. And I don't think there was much a competitive bidding for Wentz at this point so there may not have been even Plan B.
Good deal for Philly.
It's a failure no matter what simply based on how bad Wentz regressed and what preceded this move! They fired their super bowl winning HC! And god forbid if Wentz were ever to figure shit out in Indy. I pray that happens.
It might have been a necessary trade. Just like the KNicks dealing KP was "necessary"--it was still a huge fuck up and letting things even get to this point was crazy.
If Wentz is a good QB again this will go down as one of the worst trades in NFL history.
Only speaking of this transaction which had to happen before March 19th, not the rest of your piling on.
Philly was between a rock and a hardplace here, wake up...
Not sure about that. Once Philly tipped their hand that they were trading Wentz, I believe they lost some leverage in a trade. Why do you think the Texans are saying they won't trade Watson?
Regardless, Indy gets to take a chance to reunite Wentz with Reich without yielding a lot of assets.
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The Eagles spent five draft picks to acquire Carson Wentz in 2016. They gave him a $128M contract 20 months ago.
They're now taking on a cap hit in excess $33M to essentially get out of the contract and get a 2021 3rd-round pick and a 2022 2nd or 1st-rd pick.
and now you need a qb
No excuse to absolutely pound Philly the next 2 years they are taking the big bath and should suck
McVay runs the show there.
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I would fire my GM. He traded a QB as good as if not better than Wentz, 2 first-round picks, and a Third for Matt Stafford. I know Stafford is a better QB than Wentz, but he's not 2 firsts, a third, and a Superbowl starting QB better.
McVay runs the show there.
He better win the Superbowl in the next 2 years, because that is an old team with no young talent in the wings.
And a high payroll