Philadelphia has agreed to trade Carson Wentz to the Indianapolis Colts in exchange for a 2021 third-round pick and a conditional 2022 second-round pick that could turn into a first, league sources tell
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and me.
Only cost them a 3rd and future 2nd to see if they can turn Wentz back into a franchise QB. If he does, then it will be well worth the 2 changing to a 1.
I basically said the same thing. Ballard did a nice job here.
but a complete clusterfuck for Philly. From the assets they gave up to draft Wentz, to the enormous contract they gave him, and now to sell him off for pennies on the dollar? Wow.
The dead cap money alone is going to handicap them, and that is without factoring in the traded picks. They mishandled this from the start. I don't see how they wouldn't have been better off just keeping him to see if he could get his act together.
It is a great deal for Indy. If it doesn't work out, it's not the end of the world, but if it does, they got a steal. That is a well-run organization, somewhat surprising given what a dipshit their owner is.
When McVay first took over he was doing this with first round picks. I kept saying his window is short but it has been open longer than I originally thought but this seems like the last big hail mary.
to remember Howie thinking he would get two firsts for him. Anyone painting this as a win for the Eagles is delusional. Or arguing in extreme bad faith.
That said, the Eagles are doing the right thing in not chasing the sunk cost. Acknowledge it's over and move on.
But man did they fuck up paying him.
They took a chance and it didn't work out for a variety of reasons. Because this isn't all on Wentz for Philly's decline this year. They have been very competitive since the contract.
But you are right - they accepted the end and decided not to let this drag on. Take the hit and move on...
This is what happens when you are wrong about your QB
I don't agree. Look up the historical QB trades, this is a lot less than the likes of Foles/Bradford. And the Colts must not care about the money if they traded for whom they assume will be their starter for atleast a few years.
I expected more.
Its not just the picks as I assume the Wentz contract is far more expensive than those and they are able to shed that. And I don't think there was much a competitive bidding for Wentz at this point so there may not have been even Plan B.
Good deal for Philly.
The contract doesn't mean much when its now your starter. You'd kill the Giants for this deal. Indy gave up minimal picks for a former MVP candidate whom is better than anyone they've had since Luck by a wide margin. He just went to a greatly upgraded roster.
that is incredible. What a great deal for him when he signed that.
In a year or two, that contract will seem like a reasonable deal for a starting qb. If Wentz puts up his three year average prior to last season of 27 passing td and 7 picks, Indy will pay it gladly.
You guys wait and see what Danny Dimes asks for when extension time comes.
I will root had for the Colts to win twelve games. I agree with the above post where the Eagles received pennies on the dollar for the investment they made in Wentz, both in players and dollars.
If Wentz works out for the Colts- and I think the reunion with Reich is huge- and the second rounder becomes a first, still advantage Colts. They can cut Wentz at any time with no cap ramifications.
I would fire my GM. He traded a QB as good as if not better than Wentz, 2 first-round picks, and a Third for Matt Stafford. I know Stafford is a better QB than Wentz, but he's not 2 firsts, a third, and a Superbowl starting QB better.
McVay runs the show there.
Yup. Snead has escaped the axe a couple times but McVay likes him. And McVay kinda knows he's probably got a window here for next couple years before it potentially breaks apart.
Not easiest division either with Niners, Cards, Hawks although depending on what happens with Wilson (think he stays), could be more Niners-Rams competition right now unless Kingsbury/Murray get it going.
Not suggesting Indy overpaid. But since Eagles were
committed to shedding Wentz and HAD to do so in the next few weeks otherwise $10M+ of bonuses come due there was very little leverage here. And seems like Indy may have been the last interested team so even less leverage for Eagles to negotiate the bid/ask.
Philadelphia was fortunate to come out of this with a few decent picks while the ultimate goal was to rid him and his ugly contract from the books.
really good news on the minimal haul. Goes to show what the league thinks of him and that contract. He basically netted far less than QB's of the past who were older and not as good.
Not sure about that. Once Philly tipped their hand that they were trading Wentz, I believe they lost some leverage in a trade. Why do you think the Texans are saying they won't trade Watson?
Regardless, Indy gets to take a chance to reunite Wentz with Reich without yielding a lot of assets.
How it happened is irrelevant. I'm simply looking at what the Eagles got and its minimal, and now looks like they can't really move up in the draft to get their QB without leveraging the future.
Watson is a top QB and is publicly unhappy. I think the Texans don't want to trade him and are trying to repair the relationship. Completely different scenarios.
what the hell would Jones get in the trade market if Philly can only scrape a 3rd and conditional 2nd for Wentz...
Do you think Wentz’s contract, his demand for a trade, and his toxic relationship with the front office has anything to do with that or do we just ignore that to try to make a point?
that is incredible. What a great deal for him when he signed that.
In a year or two, that contract will seem like a reasonable deal for a starting qb. If Wentz puts up his three year average prior to last season of 27 passing td and 7 picks, Indy will pay it gladly.
You guys wait and see what Danny Dimes asks for when extension time comes.
Excluding the pro-rated signing bonus, which the Eagles are on the hook for, it already is a solid deal for a starting QB. His cap hit for Indy will be <$25M per season and there's no guaranteed money.
just sold their former stud QB for pennies on the dollar. They traded triple what they sold him for.
Not that I blame Philly, but it is astounding the leeway BBI shows for other teams while crushing NYG's every move.
This is NOT a good moment for PHilly. Not in any way shape or form. Good for them they escaped the big bad wolf of salary cap--they still gave up the QB that was their crown jewel not very long ago.
If the Colts turn him around the Eagles are going to look absolutely ridiculous. They wacked the HC and then wacked the QB.
Yep. But not surprisingly, Jimmy Googs calls it a good move.
The return essentially is a 2021 third round pick and 2022 first.
Mike Garafolo
@MikeGarafolo
The conditional second-rounder in 2022 becomes a first-rounder if Wentz plays 75 percent of the snaps or 70 percent and the team makes the playoffs.
Reich is going to bench Wentz every 4th quarter even if Indy has the lead and it'll be okay since they are not disrespecting the game. Hahaha.
Here it was. I'd love to see Philly fans respond if this really happened.
Wentz and Goff, drafted #1 and #2 overall in 2016, are traded 19 days apart.
Both were rewarded with big second contracts that the teams that drafted them had to eat and now are trading them away for pennies on the dollar to get out of it. The Rams even had to GIVE UP a 1st round pick to get out of it.
So which moves are the ones that set franchises back 5 years again?
RE: RE: RE: RE: That's a pretty good deal for Philly
I don't agree. Look up the historical QB trades, this is a lot less than the likes of Foles/Bradford. And the Colts must not care about the money if they traded for whom they assume will be their starter for atleast a few years.
I expected more.
Its not just the picks as I assume the Wentz contract is far more expensive than those and they are able to shed that. And I don't think there was much a competitive bidding for Wentz at this point so there may not have been even Plan B.
Good deal for Philly.
The contract doesn't mean much when its now your starter. You'd kill the Giants for this deal. Indy gave up minimal picks for a former MVP candidate whom is better than anyone they've had since Luck by a wide margin. He just went to a greatly upgraded roster.
Great deal for Indy.
I didn't say is was a bad deal for Indy.
Only suggested Philly should be pleased it got some decent picks to go along with shedding a god-awful contract which was the goal. And with seemingly only one bidder (Indy) that is not an easy negotiating position.
It could have been far worse. Good deal for Philly.
That said, the Eagles are doing the right thing in not chasing the sunk cost. Acknowledge it's over and move on.
But man did they fuck up paying him.
He earned it by his play over a 3 year period. He had a bad year- it happens and in a year or two, that contract will be reasonable for a starting qb. Hell, for all the hand wringing about his contract, his cap hit this season is $25 million and Sporttrac lists the average annual value of his contract as 8th. What do you think these guys get paid?
The Eagles did the same thing we did when the owners panicked after Manning had a bad year, shit-canned the offense that made him a star and saddled him with Aaron Rodgers' coffee go for.
there was only 1 interested team. Its illogical to think there weren't more interested teams, IMO. Half the league wants to upgrade their QB - those numbers just don't add up.
I also think there's a decent amount of fair market value that has to be included anyway. Its not like they were going to part with him for a 4th or something ridiculous. The potential future 1st makes it better than I originally thought - if that is triggered than its definitely a lot better but a 3rd and 2nd is peanuts in the grand scheme of things. More importantly, it makes it harder for them to move up this year.
just sold their former stud QB for pennies on the dollar. They traded triple what they sold him for.
Not that I blame Philly, but it is astounding the leeway BBI shows for other teams while crushing NYG's every move.
This is NOT a good moment for PHilly. Not in any way shape or form. Good for them they escaped the big bad wolf of salary cap--they still gave up the QB that was their crown jewel not very long ago.
If the Colts turn him around the Eagles are going to look absolutely ridiculous. They wacked the HC and then wacked the QB.
Yep. But not surprisingly, Jimmy Googs calls it a good move.
The football knowledge on that dupe is low.
As you would say, its the contrarian in me I guess.
It's just ponderous you can't offer much else here...
there was only 1 interested team. Its illogical to think there weren't more interested teams, IMO. Half the league wants to upgrade their QB - those numbers just don't add up.
I also think there's a decent amount of fair market value that has to be included anyway. Its not like they were going to part with him for a 4th or something ridiculous. The potential future 1st makes it better than I originally thought - if that is triggered than its definitely a lot better but a 3rd and 2nd is peanuts in the grand scheme of things. More importantly, it makes it harder for them to move up this year.
Only suggested there was Indy left as that seemed to be widely reported. Have nothing better to assume either way.
contract that THEY just gave him less than 2 years ago. Some of you sure grade on a fucked up curve.
It's akin to purchasing a stock at $100, watching it go up to $120 before implosion, and then when it drops to $30 and is about to drop to $10, selling at $30.
The entire Carson Wentz ordeal, from March 2016 until February 2021, is a colossal fuck up that's been wonderful to watch. Fuck them.
This trade itself seems like an overpay from Indy given Philly's desperation.
Remarking that it's a "good deal" for Philly is looking at the last act: bailing from an investment after a big loss before incurring extra losses.
That's it. I can give Philly a B for this trade while giving them a glorious F for the entire Wentz ordeal: the one B at the end raises their grade from a 25 to 30.
what the hell would Jones get in the trade market if Philly can only scrape a 3rd and conditional 2nd for Wentz...
Do you think Wentz’s contract, his demand for a trade, and his toxic relationship with the front office has anything to do with that or do we just ignore that to try to make a point?
contract that THEY just gave him less than 2 years ago. Some of you sure grade on a fucked up curve.
It's akin to purchasing a stock at $100, watching it go up to $120 before implosion, and then when it drops to $30 and is about to drop to $10, selling at $30.
The entire Carson Wentz ordeal, from March 2016 until February 2021, is a colossal fuck up that's been wonderful to watch. Fuck them.
This trade itself seems like an overpay from Indy given Philly's desperation.
Remarking that it's a "good deal" for Philly is looking at the last act: bailing from an investment after a big loss before incurring extra losses.
That's it. I can give Philly a B for this trade while giving them a glorious F for the entire Wentz ordeal: the one B at the end raises their grade from a 25 to 30.
contract that THEY just gave him less than 2 years ago. Some of you sure grade on a fucked up curve.
It's akin to purchasing a stock at $100, watching it go up to $120 before implosion, and then when it drops to $30 and is about to drop to $10, selling at $30.
The entire Carson Wentz ordeal, from March 2016 until February 2021, is a colossal fuck up that's been wonderful to watch. Fuck them.
This trade itself seems like an overpay from Indy given Philly's desperation.
Remarking that it's a "good deal" for Philly is looking at the last act: bailing from an investment after a big loss before incurring extra losses.
That's it. I can give Philly a B for this trade while giving them a glorious F for the entire Wentz ordeal: the one B at the end raises their grade from a 25 to 30.
That said, the Eagles are doing the right thing in not chasing the sunk cost. Acknowledge it's over and move on.
But man did they fuck up paying him.
He earned it by his play over a 3 year period. He had a bad year- it happens and in a year or two, that contract will be reasonable for a starting qb. Hell, for all the hand wringing about his contract, his cap hit this season is $25 million and Sporttrac lists the average annual value of his contract as 8th. What do you think these guys get paid?
The Eagles did the same thing we did when the owners panicked after Manning had a bad year, shit-canned the offense that made him a star and saddled him with Aaron Rodgers' coffee go for.
It's perspective. I think it is a good deal for Philly given the current situation. They have a new staff. There were rumblings for years about Wentz and that locker room with leaks to the media about Wentz freezing certain players out. There was more to it than that. His injury history is a huge concern. Also, everybody keeps talking about the contract and saying it isn't bad. You're right, it isn't bad for a team that has him as a starting QB. But what those people are ignoring is that it limits who are players to trade for that contract. A team like the Saints would probably love to be in on Wentz but can't afford to make that work especially in an offseason where the salary cap is decreasing. The options are limited so if Philly is able to get a first in this deal then good for them.
Now there is the other side of the coin. If you look big picture and say the Eagles gave up a ton to get him in the first place, gave him a huge deal, and got pennies on the dollar then you are also correct when you look at the big picture. It was far from ideal and what Philly wanted out of him. I will say that they did win a SB with him on the roster (although Foles was the starter during the SB) so if Philly had to go through all of this again they'd sign up for it again.
We cannot ignore the current landscape though. Do you think it is right to have a HC get hired and leave him with this circus if that isn't what he wants? It sounded like the only one that really wanted to keep Wentz was Roseman. That could be a toxic situation. Also, Philly has a lot of maneuvering to do this offseason just to get to the black in regards to the cap. This was always going to be a rebuilding year in some capacity. This is the Eagles opportunity to fix their cap moving forward and let the new regime build it in their eyes. It doesn't mean it'll be the right way but now was the time to do it.
Personally, I think Wentz was a product of his supporting cast this year. He had jack shit to help him. He is better than he showed in 2020 but if the new staff wants him gone then that is the path they laid out.
I would fire my GM. He traded a QB as good as if not better than Wentz, 2 first-round picks, and a Third for Matt Stafford. I know Stafford is a better QB than Wentz, but he's not 2 firsts, a third, and a Superbowl starting QB better.
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The Rams definitely gave up too much, what has Stafford
ever won in Detroit?
Did Wentz have any playoff success before they paid him?
It's perspective. I think it is a good deal for Philly given the current situation. They have a new staff. There were rumblings for years about Wentz and that locker room with leaks to the media about Wentz freezing certain players out. There was more to it than that. His injury history is a huge concern. Also, everybody keeps talking about the contract and saying it isn't bad. You're right, it isn't bad for a team that has him as a starting QB. But what those people are ignoring is that it limits who are players to trade for that contract. A team like the Saints would probably love to be in on Wentz but can't afford to make that work especially in an offseason where the salary cap is decreasing. The options are limited so if Philly is able to get a first in this deal then good for them.
Now there is the other side of the coin. If you look big picture and say the Eagles gave up a ton to get him in the first place, gave him a huge deal, and got pennies on the dollar then you are also correct when you look at the big picture. It was far from ideal and what Philly wanted out of him. I will say that they did win a SB with him on the roster (although Foles was the starter during the SB) so if Philly had to go through all of this again they'd sign up for it again.
We cannot ignore the current landscape though. Do you think it is right to have a HC get hired and leave him with this circus if that isn't what he wants? It sounded like the only one that really wanted to keep Wentz was Roseman. That could be a toxic situation. Also, Philly has a lot of maneuvering to do this offseason just to get to the black in regards to the cap. This was always going to be a rebuilding year in some capacity. This is the Eagles opportunity to fix their cap moving forward and let the new regime build it in their eyes. It doesn't mean it'll be the right way but now was the time to do it.
Personally, I think Wentz was a product of his supporting cast this year. He had jack shit to help him. He is better than he showed in 2020 but if the new staff wants him gone then that is the path they laid out.
But man did they fuck up paying him.
I basically said the same thing. Ballard did a nice job here.
The dead cap money alone is going to handicap them, and that is without factoring in the traded picks. They mishandled this from the start. I don't see how they wouldn't have been better off just keeping him to see if he could get his act together.
It is a great deal for Indy. If it doesn't work out, it's not the end of the world, but if it does, they got a steal. That is a well-run organization, somewhat surprising given what a dipshit their owner is.
But man did they fuck up paying him.
They took a chance and it didn't work out for a variety of reasons. Because this isn't all on Wentz for Philly's decline this year. They have been very competitive since the contract.
But you are right - they accepted the end and decided not to let this drag on. Take the hit and move on...
With the money and development invested in the position, you either know you have your guy or you let him walk and try again.
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could have been a lot worse...
I don't agree. Look up the historical QB trades, this is a lot less than the likes of Foles/Bradford. And the Colts must not care about the money if they traded for whom they assume will be their starter for atleast a few years.
I expected more.
Its not just the picks as I assume the Wentz contract is far more expensive than those and they are able to shed that. And I don't think there was much a competitive bidding for Wentz at this point so there may not have been even Plan B.
Good deal for Philly.
The contract doesn't mean much when its now your starter. You'd kill the Giants for this deal. Indy gave up minimal picks for a former MVP candidate whom is better than anyone they've had since Luck by a wide margin. He just went to a greatly upgraded roster.
Great deal for Indy.
You guys wait and see what Danny Dimes asks for when extension time comes.
I will root had for the Colts to win twelve games. I agree with the above post where the Eagles received pennies on the dollar for the investment they made in Wentz, both in players and dollars.
If Wentz works out for the Colts- and I think the reunion with Reich is huge- and the second rounder becomes a first, still advantage Colts. They can cut Wentz at any time with no cap ramifications.
OBJ netted more than Wentz!
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I would fire my GM. He traded a QB as good as if not better than Wentz, 2 first-round picks, and a Third for Matt Stafford. I know Stafford is a better QB than Wentz, but he's not 2 firsts, a third, and a Superbowl starting QB better.
McVay runs the show there.
Yup. Snead has escaped the axe a couple times but McVay likes him. And McVay kinda knows he's probably got a window here for next couple years before it potentially breaks apart.
Not easiest division either with Niners, Cards, Hawks although depending on what happens with Wilson (think he stays), could be more Niners-Rams competition right now unless Kingsbury/Murray get it going.
Philadelphia was fortunate to come out of this with a few decent picks while the ultimate goal was to rid him and his ugly contract from the books.
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really good news on the minimal haul. Goes to show what the league thinks of him and that contract. He basically netted far less than QB's of the past who were older and not as good.
Not sure about that. Once Philly tipped their hand that they were trading Wentz, I believe they lost some leverage in a trade. Why do you think the Texans are saying they won't trade Watson?
Regardless, Indy gets to take a chance to reunite Wentz with Reich without yielding a lot of assets.
How it happened is irrelevant. I'm simply looking at what the Eagles got and its minimal, and now looks like they can't really move up in the draft to get their QB without leveraging the future.
Watson is a top QB and is publicly unhappy. I think the Texans don't want to trade him and are trying to repair the relationship. Completely different scenarios.
Do you think Wentz’s contract, his demand for a trade, and his toxic relationship with the front office has anything to do with that or do we just ignore that to try to make a point?
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that is incredible. What a great deal for him when he signed that.
In a year or two, that contract will seem like a reasonable deal for a starting qb. If Wentz puts up his three year average prior to last season of 27 passing td and 7 picks, Indy will pay it gladly.
You guys wait and see what Danny Dimes asks for when extension time comes.
Excluding the pro-rated signing bonus, which the Eagles are on the hook for, it already is a solid deal for a starting QB. His cap hit for Indy will be <$25M per season and there's no guaranteed money.
The conditions of the 2022 pick turning into a first are as followed:
- Wentz reaches 75% of the offensive snaps in 2021
- 70% of the offensive snaps and Colts make the playoffs
Not that I blame Philly, but it is astounding the leeway BBI shows for other teams while crushing NYG's every move.
This is NOT a good moment for PHilly. Not in any way shape or form. Good for them they escaped the big bad wolf of salary cap--they still gave up the QB that was their crown jewel not very long ago.
If the Colts turn him around the Eagles are going to look absolutely ridiculous. They wacked the HC and then wacked the QB.
Yep. But not surprisingly, Jimmy Googs calls it a good move.
The football knowledge on that dupe is low.
The conditions of the 2022 pick turning into a first are as followed:
- Wentz reaches 75% of the offensive snaps in 2021
- 70% of the offensive snaps and Colts make the playoffs
It was posted above. I had a funny reply to it but I guess it got lost in the shuffle.
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The return essentially is a 2021 third round pick and 2022 first.
Mike Garafolo
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The conditional second-rounder in 2022 becomes a first-rounder if Wentz plays 75 percent of the snaps or 70 percent and the team makes the playoffs.
Reich is going to bench Wentz every 4th quarter even if Indy has the lead and it'll be okay since they are not disrespecting the game. Hahaha.
Here it was. I'd love to see Philly fans respond if this really happened.
If the Colts turn him around the Eagles are going to look absolutely ridiculous
Here's to the Eagles looking absolutely ridiculous! I will drink to that! More than once!
Both were rewarded with big second contracts that the teams that drafted them had to eat and now are trading them away for pennies on the dollar to get out of it. The Rams even had to GIVE UP a 1st round pick to get out of it.
So which moves are the ones that set franchises back 5 years again?
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could have been a lot worse...
I don't agree. Look up the historical QB trades, this is a lot less than the likes of Foles/Bradford. And the Colts must not care about the money if they traded for whom they assume will be their starter for atleast a few years.
I expected more.
Its not just the picks as I assume the Wentz contract is far more expensive than those and they are able to shed that. And I don't think there was much a competitive bidding for Wentz at this point so there may not have been even Plan B.
Good deal for Philly.
The contract doesn't mean much when its now your starter. You'd kill the Giants for this deal. Indy gave up minimal picks for a former MVP candidate whom is better than anyone they've had since Luck by a wide margin. He just went to a greatly upgraded roster.
Great deal for Indy.
I didn't say is was a bad deal for Indy.
Only suggested Philly should be pleased it got some decent picks to go along with shedding a god-awful contract which was the goal. And with seemingly only one bidder (Indy) that is not an easy negotiating position.
It could have been far worse. Good deal for Philly.
But man did they fuck up paying him.
The Eagles did the same thing we did when the owners panicked after Manning had a bad year, shit-canned the offense that made him a star and saddled him with Aaron Rodgers' coffee go for.
I also think there's a decent amount of fair market value that has to be included anyway. Its not like they were going to part with him for a 4th or something ridiculous. The potential future 1st makes it better than I originally thought - if that is triggered than its definitely a lot better but a 3rd and 2nd is peanuts in the grand scheme of things. More importantly, it makes it harder for them to move up this year.
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just sold their former stud QB for pennies on the dollar. They traded triple what they sold him for.
Not that I blame Philly, but it is astounding the leeway BBI shows for other teams while crushing NYG's every move.
This is NOT a good moment for PHilly. Not in any way shape or form. Good for them they escaped the big bad wolf of salary cap--they still gave up the QB that was their crown jewel not very long ago.
If the Colts turn him around the Eagles are going to look absolutely ridiculous. They wacked the HC and then wacked the QB.
Yep. But not surprisingly, Jimmy Googs calls it a good move.
The football knowledge on that dupe is low.
As you would say, its the contrarian in me I guess.
It's just ponderous you can't offer much else here...
That's like a move you'd hear proposed on Twitter
spot on.
I also think there's a decent amount of fair market value that has to be included anyway. Its not like they were going to part with him for a 4th or something ridiculous. The potential future 1st makes it better than I originally thought - if that is triggered than its definitely a lot better but a 3rd and 2nd is peanuts in the grand scheme of things. More importantly, it makes it harder for them to move up this year.
Only suggested there was Indy left as that seemed to be widely reported. Have nothing better to assume either way.
If he can figure out a way to stay healthy he will be very productive in Indy.
It's akin to purchasing a stock at $100, watching it go up to $120 before implosion, and then when it drops to $30 and is about to drop to $10, selling at $30.
The entire Carson Wentz ordeal, from March 2016 until February 2021, is a colossal fuck up that's been wonderful to watch. Fuck them.
This trade itself seems like an overpay from Indy given Philly's desperation.
Remarking that it's a "good deal" for Philly is looking at the last act: bailing from an investment after a big loss before incurring extra losses.
That's it. I can give Philly a B for this trade while giving them a glorious F for the entire Wentz ordeal: the one B at the end raises their grade from a 25 to 30.
Now and forever: fuck them.
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what the hell would Jones get in the trade market if Philly can only scrape a 3rd and conditional 2nd for Wentz...
Do you think Wentz’s contract, his demand for a trade, and his toxic relationship with the front office has anything to do with that or do we just ignore that to try to make a point?
Lol. Seriously.
The contract was awful and they paid for a good bit of it. They get a bad grade for that without question.
But this is the deal to get out from under the rest of it so they don't keep paying for it. A separate better grade.
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contract that THEY just gave him less than 2 years ago. Some of you sure grade on a fucked up curve.
It's akin to purchasing a stock at $100, watching it go up to $120 before implosion, and then when it drops to $30 and is about to drop to $10, selling at $30.
The entire Carson Wentz ordeal, from March 2016 until February 2021, is a colossal fuck up that's been wonderful to watch. Fuck them.
This trade itself seems like an overpay from Indy given Philly's desperation.
Remarking that it's a "good deal" for Philly is looking at the last act: bailing from an investment after a big loss before incurring extra losses.
That's it. I can give Philly a B for this trade while giving them a glorious F for the entire Wentz ordeal: the one B at the end raises their grade from a 25 to 30.
Now and forever: fuck them.
Great analogy and well said.
@ZBerm
The Eagles spent five draft picks to acquire Carson Wentz in 2016. They gave him a $128M contract 20 months ago.
They're now taking on a cap hit in excess $33M to essentially get out of the contract and get a 2021 3rd-round pick and a 2022 2nd or 1st-rd pick.
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contract that THEY just gave him less than 2 years ago. Some of you sure grade on a fucked up curve.
It's akin to purchasing a stock at $100, watching it go up to $120 before implosion, and then when it drops to $30 and is about to drop to $10, selling at $30.
The entire Carson Wentz ordeal, from March 2016 until February 2021, is a colossal fuck up that's been wonderful to watch. Fuck them.
This trade itself seems like an overpay from Indy given Philly's desperation.
Remarking that it's a "good deal" for Philly is looking at the last act: bailing from an investment after a big loss before incurring extra losses.
That's it. I can give Philly a B for this trade while giving them a glorious F for the entire Wentz ordeal: the one B at the end raises their grade from a 25 to 30.
Now and forever: fuck them.
Would agree, especially the last line...
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That said, the Eagles are doing the right thing in not chasing the sunk cost. Acknowledge it's over and move on.
But man did they fuck up paying him.
He earned it by his play over a 3 year period. He had a bad year- it happens and in a year or two, that contract will be reasonable for a starting qb. Hell, for all the hand wringing about his contract, his cap hit this season is $25 million and Sporttrac lists the average annual value of his contract as 8th. What do you think these guys get paid?
The Eagles did the same thing we did when the owners panicked after Manning had a bad year, shit-canned the offense that made him a star and saddled him with Aaron Rodgers' coffee go for.
The Eagles won the title without him. As someone (me) once said, we saw how vital he wasn't.
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It's perspective. I think it is a good deal for Philly given the current situation. They have a new staff. There were rumblings for years about Wentz and that locker room with leaks to the media about Wentz freezing certain players out. There was more to it than that. His injury history is a huge concern. Also, everybody keeps talking about the contract and saying it isn't bad. You're right, it isn't bad for a team that has him as a starting QB. But what those people are ignoring is that it limits who are players to trade for that contract. A team like the Saints would probably love to be in on Wentz but can't afford to make that work especially in an offseason where the salary cap is decreasing. The options are limited so if Philly is able to get a first in this deal then good for them.
Now there is the other side of the coin. If you look big picture and say the Eagles gave up a ton to get him in the first place, gave him a huge deal, and got pennies on the dollar then you are also correct when you look at the big picture. It was far from ideal and what Philly wanted out of him. I will say that they did win a SB with him on the roster (although Foles was the starter during the SB) so if Philly had to go through all of this again they'd sign up for it again.
We cannot ignore the current landscape though. Do you think it is right to have a HC get hired and leave him with this circus if that isn't what he wants? It sounded like the only one that really wanted to keep Wentz was Roseman. That could be a toxic situation. Also, Philly has a lot of maneuvering to do this offseason just to get to the black in regards to the cap. This was always going to be a rebuilding year in some capacity. This is the Eagles opportunity to fix their cap moving forward and let the new regime build it in their eyes. It doesn't mean it'll be the right way but now was the time to do it.
Personally, I think Wentz was a product of his supporting cast this year. He had jack shit to help him. He is better than he showed in 2020 but if the new staff wants him gone then that is the path they laid out.
The Rams definitely gave up too much, what has Stafford
ever won in Detroit?
It's perspective. I think it is a good deal for Philly given the current situation. They have a new staff. There were rumblings for years about Wentz and that locker room with leaks to the media about Wentz freezing certain players out. There was more to it than that. His injury history is a huge concern. Also, everybody keeps talking about the contract and saying it isn't bad. You're right, it isn't bad for a team that has him as a starting QB. But what those people are ignoring is that it limits who are players to trade for that contract. A team like the Saints would probably love to be in on Wentz but can't afford to make that work especially in an offseason where the salary cap is decreasing. The options are limited so if Philly is able to get a first in this deal then good for them.
Now there is the other side of the coin. If you look big picture and say the Eagles gave up a ton to get him in the first place, gave him a huge deal, and got pennies on the dollar then you are also correct when you look at the big picture. It was far from ideal and what Philly wanted out of him. I will say that they did win a SB with him on the roster (although Foles was the starter during the SB) so if Philly had to go through all of this again they'd sign up for it again.
We cannot ignore the current landscape though. Do you think it is right to have a HC get hired and leave him with this circus if that isn't what he wants? It sounded like the only one that really wanted to keep Wentz was Roseman. That could be a toxic situation. Also, Philly has a lot of maneuvering to do this offseason just to get to the black in regards to the cap. This was always going to be a rebuilding year in some capacity. This is the Eagles opportunity to fix their cap moving forward and let the new regime build it in their eyes. It doesn't mean it'll be the right way but now was the time to do it.
Personally, I think Wentz was a product of his supporting cast this year. He had jack shit to help him. He is better than he showed in 2020 but if the new staff wants him gone then that is the path they laid out.