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NGT: Wentz traded to IND

Ten Ton Hammer : 2/18/2021 11:47 am
Philadelphia has agreed to trade Carson Wentz to the Indianapolis Colts in exchange for a 2021 third-round pick and a conditional 2022 second-round pick that could turn into a first, league sources tell
@mortreport
and me.
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RE: Jimmy Googs..  
Jimmy Googs : 2/18/2021 12:53 pm : link
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You must love the Beckham trade then.


Yeah, was always okay with the trade part.

Just wish Giants didn't backfill it with a god-awful Tate deal. Wrong type, wrong age, bad contract.
RE: Haha  
Gatorade Dunk : 2/18/2021 12:54 pm : link
In comment 15156271 Straw Hat said:
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So much for those green idiots getting a “stafford deal”.

Well, they didn't have to absorb a "goff deal" in the process.
RE: RE: If I was the owner of the Rams  
Britt in VA : 2/18/2021 12:55 pm : link
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I would fire my GM. He traded a QB as good as if not better than Wentz, 2 first-round picks, and a Third for Matt Stafford. I know Stafford is a better QB than Wentz, but he's not 2 firsts, a third, and a Superbowl starting QB better.

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The Rams definitely gave up too much, what has Stafford
ever won in Detroit?


That's a great point, and I saw this stat mentioned somewhere:

Matt Stafford vs. teams with a .500 or better record: 12-62. But people here would bend over backwards to give up picks for Matt Stafford.
RE: I'm not sure why everyone assumes Philly drafts a QB  
UConn4523 : 2/18/2021 12:57 pm : link
In comment 15156327 AdamBrag said:
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Hurts had more 300 yard games then Jones last year and he only started 4 games.


I think its a very real possibility. The goal is to not pick at #6 or worse and it could be the best possible time to move up to get a QB you love. Look what they gave up to go from 8 to 2 for Wentz.

As for Hurts, hard to tell what they think of him. If I were an Eagles fan I'd fully support taking a QB at 6 or with a trade up and let the 2 QB's have at it - you can easily offload Hurts too.
I'd love Matt Stafford  
UConn4523 : 2/18/2021 12:57 pm : link
the 1 year with a legit defense they went 11-5. Horrendous franchise though, not sure what you expect him to do about that.
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Sean : 2/18/2021 12:59 pm : link
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Field Yates
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And with the trade of Carson Wentz, there will now not be a single QB drafted in the first round from 2009-2016 that is still with his original team.

0 out of 22 total.
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Britt in VA : 2/18/2021 1:00 pm : link
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Eagles now take on the largest dead money cap hit in NFL history by trading Carson Wentz: $33.8 million.
RE: RE: RE: You pay the wrong QB and this is what you get  
speedywheels : 2/18/2021 1:01 pm : link
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That said, the Eagles are doing the right thing in not chasing the sunk cost. Acknowledge it's over and move on.

But man did they fuck up paying him.

He earned it by his play over a 3 year period. He had a bad year- it happens and in a year or two, that contract will be reasonable for a starting qb. Hell, for all the hand wringing about his contract, his cap hit this season is $25 million and Sporttrac lists the average annual value of his contract as 8th. What do you think these guys get paid?

The Eagles did the same thing we did when the owners panicked after Manning had a bad year, shit-canned the offense that made him a star and saddled him with Aaron Rodgers' coffee go for.



The Eagles won the title without him. As someone (me) once said, we saw how vital he wasn't. Wayback machine is fun - ( New Window )


LOL. So you're going to try tell us that Wentz did NOTHING to help them get there? He started 13 games, went 11-2 with a rating of 102.7. Had 3300 yards, 33 TD and only 7 INT.

But of course, you will do anything to try and spin your narrative.

Giving Wentz no credit for getting the team to the SB would be the same bullshit as saying that NYG won SB 25 without any credit going to Simms...

It could have been much worse for the Eagles  
George from PA : 2/18/2021 1:01 pm : link
He had to be moved by 3/19....getting a 3rd and possibly a 1st... Was fair enough.... considering Wentz and the Colts was holding all th cards.

The dead money the next 2 years is a killer...

I am not upset.
RE: RE: I'm not sure why everyone assumes Philly drafts a QB  
Jimmy Googs : 2/18/2021 1:01 pm : link
In comment 15156337 UConn4523 said:
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If I were an Eagles fan I'd fully support taking a QB at 6 or with a trade up and let the 2 QB's have at it - you can easily offload Hurts too.


Exactly.

And low and behold, they just picked up some extra collateral to help move on up as needed...
RE: Cap  
Beer Man : 2/18/2021 1:03 pm : link
In comment 15156225 Hilary said:
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Does this free 25 million cap space for Iglesias.
Nope, his bonus and prorated bonus are on the Igles and get accelerated to the 2021 season. They will be hit with $34M in dead money this year, but he will be off their books afterwards.
RE: djm:  
Producer : 2/18/2021 1:07 pm : link
In comment 15156305 Victor in CT said:
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"Not that I blame Philly, but it is astounding the leeway BBI shows for other teams while crushing NYG's every move."

spot on.


oh jeez stop being so sensitive..
RE: RE: RE: If I was the owner of the Rams  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/18/2021 1:11 pm : link
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I would fire my GM. He traded a QB as good as if not better than Wentz, 2 first-round picks, and a Third for Matt Stafford. I know Stafford is a better QB than Wentz, but he's not 2 firsts, a third, and a Superbowl starting QB better.

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The Rams definitely gave up too much, what has Stafford
ever won in Detroit?



That's a great point, and I saw this stat mentioned somewhere:

Matt Stafford vs. teams with a .500 or better record: 12-62. But people here would bend over backwards to give up picks for Matt Stafford.


But we know Detroit is an incompetent franchise that has wasted the careers of hall of farmers. Why would we lay all the blame on that on one person's feet.

This line of thinking is why any player stuck on a dead end team should ask to be traded. If you don't put the franchise on you back and overcome the front office mistakes, you're the goat.
RE: Enough about how “well run” the Eagles are..  
jestersdead : 2/18/2021 1:11 pm : link
In comment 15156318 Sean said:
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The Eagles spent five draft picks to acquire Carson Wentz in 2016. They gave him a $128M contract 20 months ago.

They're now taking on a cap hit in excess $33M to essentially get out of the contract and get a 2021 3rd-round pick and a 2022 2nd or 1st-rd pick.


Could you imagine if DG made those moves?
RE: RE: RE: RE: If I was the owner of the Rams  
Victor in CT : 2/18/2021 1:12 pm : link
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I would fire my GM. He traded a QB as good as if not better than Wentz, 2 first-round picks, and a Third for Matt Stafford. I know Stafford is a better QB than Wentz, but he's not 2 firsts, a third, and a Superbowl starting QB better.

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The Rams definitely gave up too much, what has Stafford
ever won in Detroit?



That's a great point, and I saw this stat mentioned somewhere:

Matt Stafford vs. teams with a .500 or better record: 12-62. But people here would bend over backwards to give up picks for Matt Stafford.



But we know Detroit is an incompetent franchise that has wasted the careers of hall of farmers. Why would we lay all the blame on that on one person's feet.

This line of thinking is why any player stuck on a dead end team should ask to be traded. If you don't put the franchise on you back and overcome the front office mistakes, you're the goat.


This line of thinking is SOP here.
RE: RE: RE: You pay the wrong QB and this is what you get  
Bill L : 2/18/2021 1:13 pm : link
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That said, the Eagles are doing the right thing in not chasing the sunk cost. Acknowledge it's over and move on.

But man did they fuck up paying him.

He earned it by his play over a 3 year period. He had a bad year- it happens and in a year or two, that contract will be reasonable for a starting qb. Hell, for all the hand wringing about his contract, his cap hit this season is $25 million and Sporttrac lists the average annual value of his contract as 8th. What do you think these guys get paid?

The Eagles did the same thing we did when the owners panicked after Manning had a bad year, shit-canned the offense that made him a star and saddled him with Aaron Rodgers' coffee go for.



The Eagles won the title without him. As someone (me) once said, we saw how vital he wasn't. Wayback machine is fun - ( New Window )


But it does kind of fly in the face of your other (more recent) posts that *all* you need is an elite QB and nobody else matters or is even needed on the field, doesn't it?
Would be nice if it comes down to the last game of the season...  
Milton : 2/18/2021 1:13 pm : link
...and the Colts pull Wentz for no other reason than it means giving up a 2nd round pick instead of a first in 2022.
RE: RE: Enough about how “well run” the Eagles are..  
Britt in VA : 2/18/2021 1:14 pm : link
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Zach Berman
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The Eagles spent five draft picks to acquire Carson Wentz in 2016. They gave him a $128M contract 20 months ago.

They're now taking on a cap hit in excess $33M to essentially get out of the contract and get a 2021 3rd-round pick and a 2022 2nd or 1st-rd pick.




Could you imagine if DG made those moves?


He would be absolutely eviscerated. And in no way, shape, or form would it EVER be called "a good deal". But here we are.
RE: RE: RE: RE: You pay the wrong QB and this is what you get  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/18/2021 1:15 pm : link
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But it does kind of fly in the face of your other (more recent) posts that *all* you need is an elite QB and nobody else matters or is even needed on the field, doesn't it?


I keep seeing this referenced as an opinion people have and I'm struggling to believe this is anything more than a strawman meant to fuel a narrative.
RE: RE: RE: I'm not sure why everyone assumes Philly drafts a QB  
giants#1 : 2/18/2021 1:16 pm : link
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If I were an Eagles fan I'd fully support taking a QB at 6 or with a trade up and let the 2 QB's have at it - you can easily offload Hurts too.



Exactly.

And low and behold, they just picked up some extra collateral to help move on up as needed...


The picks they added would barely move the needle in a trade up to #2.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: You pay the wrong QB and this is what you get  
Bill L : 2/18/2021 1:18 pm : link
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But it does kind of fly in the face of your other (more recent) posts that *all* you need is an elite QB and nobody else matters or is even needed on the field, doesn't it?



I keep seeing this referenced as an opinion people have and I'm struggling to believe this is anything more than a strawman meant to fuel a narrative.


I can see that.
RE: RE: This makes me wonder...  
bw in dc : 2/18/2021 1:18 pm : link
In comment 15156287 Chris in Philly said:
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what the hell would Jones get in the trade market if Philly can only scrape a 3rd and conditional 2nd for Wentz...



Do you think Wentz’s contract, his demand for a trade, and his toxic relationship with the front office has anything to do with that or do we just ignore that to try to make a point?


I did consider that, yes.

And I considered he's had one losing season as the starter (2020), taken the Eagles to the playoffs three times, has been in the MVP hunt, and has shown he can make chicken salad.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I'm not sure why everyone assumes Philly drafts a QB  
UConn4523 : 2/18/2021 1:19 pm : link
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If I were an Eagles fan I'd fully support taking a QB at 6 or with a trade up and let the 2 QB's have at it - you can easily offload Hurts too.



Exactly.

And low and behold, they just picked up some extra collateral to help move on up as needed...



The picks they added would barely move the needle in a trade up to #2.


Right, this was my point. They will have to leverage atleast a future 1st now + more.
RE: RE: RE: RE: You pay the wrong QB and this is what you get  
Go Terps : 2/18/2021 1:21 pm : link
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That said, the Eagles are doing the right thing in not chasing the sunk cost. Acknowledge it's over and move on.

But man did they fuck up paying him.

He earned it by his play over a 3 year period. He had a bad year- it happens and in a year or two, that contract will be reasonable for a starting qb. Hell, for all the hand wringing about his contract, his cap hit this season is $25 million and Sporttrac lists the average annual value of his contract as 8th. What do you think these guys get paid?

The Eagles did the same thing we did when the owners panicked after Manning had a bad year, shit-canned the offense that made him a star and saddled him with Aaron Rodgers' coffee go for.



The Eagles won the title without him. As someone (me) once said, we saw how vital he wasn't. Wayback machine is fun - ( New Window )



But it does kind of fly in the face of your other (more recent) posts that *all* you need is an elite QB and nobody else matters or is even needed on the field, doesn't it?


Where did I say all you need is an elite quarterback?
Hurts barely completed over 50% of his passes  
jeff57 : 2/18/2021 1:22 pm : link
And had a 41.0 QBR. Doubt he’s the answer.
fans tend to overreact to everything  
ryanmkeane : 2/18/2021 1:28 pm : link
good or bad as soon as it happens (negative on Beckham and Williams trades, extremely negative on Jones at 6, positive on Solder signing, etc)

You have to wait a few years to see how the moves pan out. Unless you are doing something like the Colts did with Rivers where it was clear he was just playing for 1 season, these things tend to work themselves out over multiple seasons.

RE: fans tend to overreact to everything  
Britt in VA : 2/18/2021 1:29 pm : link
In comment 15156387 ryanmkeane said:
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good or bad as soon as it happens (negative on Beckham and Williams trades, extremely negative on Jones at 6, positive on Solder signing, etc)

You have to wait a few years to see how the moves pan out. Unless you are doing something like the Colts did with Rivers where it was clear he was just playing for 1 season, these things tend to work themselves out over multiple seasons.


A lost art around here.
for instance  
ryanmkeane : 2/18/2021 1:29 pm : link
it appears Rams gave up a shitload for Stafford. If they flame out in the playoffs or don't make the playoffs with him, yeah it's a really bad trade

If they make the Super Bowl (or win it) with him, it's a great trade

If Colts are medicore with Wentz the next 2 seasons, it's bad. If they stay really competitive, make some playoff runs, it's great
RE: RE: fans tend to overreact to everything  
Big Blue '56 : 2/18/2021 1:37 pm : link
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good or bad as soon as it happens (negative on Beckham and Williams trades, extremely negative on Jones at 6, positive on Solder signing, etc)

You have to wait a few years to see how the moves pan out. Unless you are doing something like the Colts did with Rivers where it was clear he was just playing for 1 season, these things tend to work themselves out over multiple seasons.




A lost art around here.


Around here? It was never, ever, an art in the first place
You don't have a few years in this league  
Go Terps : 2/18/2021 1:37 pm : link
Waiting a few years means new contracts, new coaches, new players. An NFL roster turns over naturally in 4 years.

There is no more waiting 5+ years to see if something worked out. By then you're assessing a completely different team.
RE: RE: RE: If I was the owner of the Rams  
Gatorade Dunk : 2/18/2021 1:38 pm : link
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I would fire my GM. He traded a QB as good as if not better than Wentz, 2 first-round picks, and a Third for Matt Stafford. I know Stafford is a better QB than Wentz, but he's not 2 firsts, a third, and a Superbowl starting QB better.

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The Rams definitely gave up too much, what has Stafford
ever won in Detroit?



That's a great point, and I saw this stat mentioned somewhere:

Matt Stafford vs. teams with a .500 or better record: 12-62. But people here would bend over backwards to give up picks for Matt Stafford.

If only he were 45-97 against teams with a .500 or better record, then you wouldn't have such a weird disdain for him.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I'm not sure why everyone assumes Philly drafts a QB  
Jimmy Googs : 2/18/2021 1:39 pm : link
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If I were an Eagles fan I'd fully support taking a QB at 6 or with a trade up and let the 2 QB's have at it - you can easily offload Hurts too.



Exactly.

And low and behold, they just picked up some extra collateral to help move on up as needed...



The picks they added would barely move the needle in a trade up to #2.


I said help, not consummate.

Some of you are on edge today...
RE: for instance  
Gatorade Dunk : 2/18/2021 1:39 pm : link
In comment 15156390 ryanmkeane said:
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it appears Rams gave up a shitload for Stafford. If they flame out in the playoffs or don't make the playoffs with him, yeah it's a really bad trade

If they make the Super Bowl (or win it) with him, it's a great trade

If Colts are medicore with Wentz the next 2 seasons, it's bad. If they stay really competitive, make some playoff runs, it's great

I see you're still refusing to position this accurately.

The Rams gave up a ton for Stafford AND TO OFFLOAD GOFF'S CONTRACT.
I agree to an extent but this isnt the NBA  
UConn4523 : 2/18/2021 1:44 pm : link
salary dumps aren't really a thing. No one is trading for a player they don't want for multiple seasons, especially a QB, unless they see them actually playing and fitting in well.

The Rams had to trade Goff because it just wasn't working anymore. His contract made the suiters fewer, but those that were there wouldn't be interested if they didn't think anything of him.
RE: I agree to an extent but this isnt the NBA  
Gatorade Dunk : 2/18/2021 1:45 pm : link
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salary dumps aren't really a thing. No one is trading for a player they don't want for multiple seasons, especially a QB, unless they see them actually playing and fitting in well.

The Rams had to trade Goff because it just wasn't working anymore. His contract made the suiters fewer, but those that were there wouldn't be interested if they didn't think anything of him.

Goff was the Brock Osweiler of that trade, and it's pretty obvious IMO.
Gatorade  
Go Terps : 2/18/2021 1:45 pm : link
Exactly - the Rams made a huge error in signing Goff, and have done well to rip the band-aid off.

The same can be said for the Eagles. This trade is the right move for them - they're doing the right thing. The IMMENSE error was paying Wentz. Now they're just starting the process of recovering from that error.

You pay a non-elite QB a second contract and this is what happens.

If you don't know by year 3 on a QB, he's almost certainly not worth paying.
RE: RE: RE: Enough about how “well run” the Eagles are..  
Jimmy Googs : 2/18/2021 1:46 pm : link
In comment 15156363 Britt in VA said:
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Zach Berman
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The Eagles spent five draft picks to acquire Carson Wentz in 2016. They gave him a $128M contract 20 months ago.

They're now taking on a cap hit in excess $33M to essentially get out of the contract and get a 2021 3rd-round pick and a 2022 2nd or 1st-rd pick.




Could you imagine if DG made those moves?



He would be absolutely eviscerated. And in no way, shape, or form would it EVER be called "a good deal". But here we are.


DG wouldn't trade his franchise QB that is still under a rookie deal.

At least not yet...
RE: Gatorade  
Sean : 2/18/2021 1:48 pm : link
In comment 15156420 Go Terps said:
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Exactly - the Rams made a huge error in signing Goff, and have done well to rip the band-aid off.

The same can be said for the Eagles. This trade is the right move for them - they're doing the right thing. The IMMENSE error was paying Wentz. Now they're just starting the process of recovering from that error.

You pay a non-elite QB a second contract and this is what happens.

If you don't know by year 3 on a QB, he's almost certainly not worth paying.


That also applies to the Giants with Beckham to be fair. They paid him, but then ultimately got a bigger return than the Eagles did with Wentz.

In addition, the Giants have yet to pay Jones.
RE: RE: I agree to an extent but this isnt the NBA  
Jimmy Googs : 2/18/2021 1:49 pm : link
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salary dumps aren't really a thing. No one is trading for a player they don't want for multiple seasons, especially a QB, unless they see them actually playing and fitting in well.

The Rams had to trade Goff because it just wasn't working anymore. His contract made the suiters fewer, but those that were there wouldn't be interested if they didn't think anything of him.


Goff was the Brock Osweiler of that trade, and it's pretty obvious IMO.


Yep...
Terps  
ryanmkeane : 2/18/2021 1:51 pm : link
you really are a complete and utter disgrace to message board conversation. Who said 5 years? 5 years? Nobody said 5 years.

I'm talking about a few seasons. And yeah - every single NFL team in the history of the league lets their draft picks and trades develop unless they are a complete and utter disaster, which would bring them to cut the player or something of that nature.

You take what people say, completely change it around, to fit your own narrative, which makes completely zero sense. You are intolerable dude.
RE: Gatorade  
ryanmkeane : 2/18/2021 1:53 pm : link
In comment 15156420 Go Terps said:
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Exactly - the Rams made a huge error in signing Goff, and have done well to rip the band-aid off.


This is exactly what Dave Gettleman did with Odell Beckham.
RE: Terps  
Go Terps : 2/18/2021 1:53 pm : link
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you really are a complete and utter disgrace to message board conversation. Who said 5 years? 5 years? Nobody said 5 years.

I'm talking about a few seasons. And yeah - every single NFL team in the history of the league lets their draft picks and trades develop unless they are a complete and utter disaster, which would bring them to cut the player or something of that nature.

You take what people say, completely change it around, to fit your own narrative, which makes completely zero sense. You are intolerable dude.


What a weird post.

How many seasons is "a few"?
RE: RE: Gatorade  
Go Terps : 2/18/2021 1:55 pm : link
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Exactly - the Rams made a huge error in signing Goff, and have done well to rip the band-aid off.




This is exactly what Dave Gettleman did with Odell Beckham.


Yes. Paid Beckham - huge error. Traded him - good move.

Would have been better to trade Beckham before paying him. Just like it would have been better to trade Goff and Wentz before they were paid.
What the Rams Did  
Samiam : 2/18/2021 1:55 pm : link
Rams gave up the extra 1st to unload Goff’s contract. Lions basically took an extra 1st to accept a bad contract. Rams expect to finish very strong with Stafford and go deep into the playoffs making their 1st pick a not very attractive pick. They’ve shown a willingness to trade premier draft choices over the past few years.

I think the Colts really made a good deal, the Eagles much less so. Wentz bonus money, what’s left of it, is charged to the Eagles this year. Colts are on the hook just for a very high salary. If Reich can turn Wentz around, they got a good QB without paying any bonus money until he is re-signed. If Wentz sucks, they get rid of him quickly and just pay the 3rd round pick this year and the 2nd in 22. All the Eagles did was get rid of what they think is a malcontent who can’t play. The Cap hit this year will be enormous and we’ll see going forward if the Eagles made the right move. Also, the Colts should a have a pretty good record making the draft choices less appealing. Either way, this is a good Colts move .
I don't know...  
ryanmkeane : 2/18/2021 1:55 pm : link
2 seasons? Daniel Jones is a rookie. There's a difference dude. But just like every single one of your posts - you compare every single decision as if it's the same.
RE: Terps  
Jimmy Googs : 2/18/2021 1:57 pm : link
In comment 15156426 ryanmkeane said:
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you really are a complete and utter disgrace to message board conversation. Who said 5 years? 5 years? Nobody said 5 years.

I'm talking about a few seasons. And yeah - every single NFL team in the history of the league lets their draft picks and trades develop unless they are a complete and utter disaster, which would bring them to cut the player or something of that nature.

You take what people say, completely change it around, to fit your own narrative, which makes completely zero sense. You are intolerable dude.


on edge indeed...
Good deal for the Colts  
Rick in Dallas : 2/18/2021 1:58 pm : link
Philly getting ready to welcome Trey Lance. I now think 4 QB's go in the top 10 pushing a very good player to number 11.
With New England at number 15 I wonder if the Redskins try to move up in front of them to select Mac Jones who was impressive at the Senior Bowl practices. Could see 5 QB's chosen in the top 15.
Terps  
ryanmkeane : 2/18/2021 2:00 pm : link
you thought Peppers was a disaster too. You thought the Williams move was a disaster. I imagine you probably thought the Beckham trade was bad too. How did those end up working out?

You need to let things play out. Draft picks, free agency moves, trades....these are things that are not evaluated in a vacuum.
RE: I don't know...  
Go Terps : 2/18/2021 2:02 pm : link
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2 seasons? Daniel Jones is a rookie. There's a difference dude. But just like every single one of your posts - you compare every single decision as if it's the same.


I don't understand. If we can start reaching conclusions after 2 seasons on quarterbacks, can we reach them on Jones? And Daniel Jones is a rookie?

You say a lot of negative things about me, but I have to be honest you don't sound like you have a mastery of making an argument, or even the english language.
Terps  
ryanmkeane : 2/18/2021 2:10 pm : link
I'm talking about trades and free agency moves....2 years is definitely enough time to evaluate that move.

Rookie QBs are different. You aren't paying them that much and sometimes it takes longer to develop. So...2 years? Sure. Giants obviously think they've seen stuff from Jones in his first 2 years to build around him more. If he was a disaster, which he's not...they'd obviously move along.

That's my point.
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