Philadelphia has agreed to trade Carson Wentz to the Indianapolis Colts in exchange for a 2021 third-round pick and a conditional 2022 second-round pick that could turn into a first, league sources tell
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and me.
Hope they stick with Hurts and really hope they are not targeting Zach Wilson. Would not want to see him twice a year as I think he is going to be a quality NFL qb.
If he was a disaster, which he's not...they'd obviously move along.
Two points:
1. If Jones isn't a disaster, then what's the definition of disaster? He's a #6 pick overall, his stats are poor, the offense is VERY poor with him at QB, and the Giants are 8-18 with him at quarterback.
If that's not a disaster two years in, then what is? There isn't much room for it to be worse...you're talking Jamarcus Russell/Dwayne Haskins/Ryan Leaf as the only level below him.
2. Would the Giants move on from him? They've shown us many times that they are very slow to acknowledge and move on from a bad situation. I'm not even 100% convinced they move on from him if he has a poor 2021. I'd hope they would, but I'm not 100% on it...their delusion runs deep.
And just curious, does this timeframe apply to Barkley? Because if it does...
I thought they fired Pederson because he did NOT want Wentz and the Eagles were were sticking WITH Wentz?
Now they trade him?
They must have wanted Pederson gone regardless.
Nobody truly knows what happened but it seems as if Roseman was the Wentz fan but others weren't. Also, with the way the last game unfolded, there was talk that Pederson lost the locker room and giving him another year wouldn't do anything positive. I think that is why he was fired so late. In terms of trading Wentz it seems that since there were conflicting opinions between management and owner that they may have just let their new HC evaluate the QBs and go from there.
If he was a disaster, which he's not...they'd obviously move along.
Two points:
1. If Jones isn't a disaster, then what's the definition of disaster? He's a #6 pick overall, his stats are poor, the offense is VERY poor with him at QB, and the Giants are 8-18 with him at quarterback.
If that's not a disaster two years in, then what is? There isn't much room for it to be worse...you're talking Jamarcus Russell/Dwayne Haskins/Ryan Leaf as the only level below him.
2. Would the Giants move on from him? They've shown us many times that they are very slow to acknowledge and move on from a bad situation. I'm not even 100% convinced they move on from him if he has a poor 2021. I'd hope they would, but I'm not 100% on it...their delusion runs deep.
And just curious, does this timeframe apply to Barkley? Because if it does...
Here's what does not compute for me, in your thinking Terps.
How do you say that about Jones, then turn around and say the Eagles SHOULD NOT have signed Wentz? Seriously? How do you determine that Wentz was merely a passenger on his team when he went 11-2, threw for 3500 yards, 33 TD's to 7 INT's, and a 102 QBR?
That's where you lose a lot of people. You do not consistently apply the logic you use.
If you DON'T re-sign Wentz, which you are saying they shouldn't have, who do you EVER re-sign?
Speaking of Barkley, isn't Lamar Jackson just as prone to wear and tear as a RB at this point, in terms of second contract? Do you sign him to the 40 million per year megadeal that is looming there?
and not a difference maker. He never justified his draft position, and he never justified his contract.
Normally, I am put off by many posters' negativity... but I agree with Terps 100% about how the Super Bowl utterly exposed him.
It was unbelievable when Phila paid him, and today they are lucky to get anything for him. And, as someone else above mentioned, they are extremely fortunate to be able to light up his cap hit in a throwaway season.
RE: RE: Maybe someone has already addressed this but -
I thought they fired Pederson because he did NOT want Wentz and the Eagles were were sticking WITH Wentz?
Now they trade him?
They must have wanted Pederson gone regardless.
Nobody truly knows what happened but it seems as if Roseman was the Wentz fan but others weren't. Also, with the way the last game unfolded, there was talk that Pederson lost the locker room and giving him another year wouldn't do anything positive. I think that is why he was fired so late. In terms of trading Wentz it seems that since there were conflicting opinions between management and owner that they may have just let their new HC evaluate the QBs and go from there.
Yeah Robbie -
that makes more sense (New HC - starts over).
I thought the battle lines between Pederson and Wentz were a little more definitive. I guess it was just speculation.
Mike Missanelli said that the Eagles received PENIS in the trade of their franchise QB.
He also said that the Eagles GM Howie Roseman has turned a potentially Super Bowl contender into the JETS with the latest trade!
I'm loving how the Eagles fans are squirming in the cesspool that their franchise has become.
DIE EAGLES DIE.....ON THE ROAD TO MISERY
i'm not getting into this with you because you are quite literally, an impossible person. You don't seem to get the notion that rookie QB's on a rookie contract who teams are still building around, are given a bit more of a longer leash than guys who are not playing well under a huge contract.
You don't seem to grasp this, because you are so anti Giants that it is a disease on your ability to think clearly.
not sure what your thing is with Barkley, but no...the timeline is not the same. We've already seen what Barkley can do, when healthy, and that is be a top 2-3 running back and playmaker in the entire league. We've seen that, it happened. He got hurt. Last I checked you can't play on a torn ACL.
RE: Philly radio responses have been off the hook....
Mike Missanelli said that the Eagles received PENIS in the trade of their franchise QB.
He also said that the Eagles GM Howie Roseman has turned a potentially Super Bowl contender into the JETS with the latest trade!
I'm loving how the Eagles fans are squirming in the cesspool that their franchise has become.
DIE EAGLES DIE.....ON THE ROAD TO MISERY
lol
I can imagine Sports talk radio in Philly going batshit.
Superbowl contender? A bit of a stretch by Masinelli?
The Eagles actually did very well in this trade for a guy who has been injury -prone and toxic in the locker room . From the Colts perspective , the hope is Reich can rehabilitate him . And Luck has no intention of returning to the game .
In the present division power rating , plug the Eagles in at 4. Their implosion is interesting , unexpected and highly enjoyable . I hope it continues by screwing up with the sixth pick .
People preaching patience on a team and a QB, but yet, were the same people that kept saying, on every thread, how good Connelly, Beal, Love, Baker, etc was after they played in about 7 - 9 games!!!
Other side is those who keep wanted to turn the page on every player who doesn't play at their peak level EVERY year!!
I thought they fired Pederson because he did NOT want Wentz and the Eagles were were sticking WITH Wentz?
Now they trade him?
They must have wanted Pederson gone regardless.
Pederson's exit, I believe, was driven by the debacle of the last game and the heavy blow-back the organization got nationally. That was a very bad look and they needed a fall guy. Which was Pederson. In retrospect, I wonder if Pederson did it on purpose as some form of mutiny...?
Before this season, Wentz was 32-24 as the starter about 100TDs/30+INTs (a good ratio), 7+ YPA/7.5 A/YPA, and a near MVP season before he got hurt in 2017. Those are good results, especially factoring in last year when he got them into the playoffs with four straight Ws down the stretch. And throwing to receivers who could have easily been confused for parking attendants for stadium parking.
what the hell would Jones get in the trade market if Philly can only scrape a 3rd and conditional 2nd for Wentz...
Do you think Wentz’s contract, his demand for a trade, and his toxic relationship with the front office has anything to do with that or do we just ignore that to try to make a point?
I did consider that, yes.
And I considered he's had one losing season as the starter (2020), taken the Eagles to the playoffs three times, has been in the MVP hunt, and has shown he can make chicken salad.
example of the usual crew actually trying to spin this into a reasonable move while calling almost any move we've made recently as "fireable offenses".
It is also the same fucking group that tells other posters to argue in "good faith". Why do I feel like we are bombarded by one big troll job here?
RE: RE: Maybe someone has already addressed this but -
I thought they fired Pederson because he did NOT want Wentz and the Eagles were were sticking WITH Wentz?
Now they trade him?
They must have wanted Pederson gone regardless.
Pederson's exit, I believe, was driven by the debacle of the last game and the heavy blow-back the organization got nationally. That was a very bad look and they needed a fall guy. Which was Pederson. In retrospect, I wonder if Pederson did it on purpose as some form of mutiny...?
Before this season, Wentz was 32-24 as the starter about 100TDs/30+INTs (a good ratio), 7+ YPA/7.5 A/YPA, and a near MVP season before he got hurt in 2017. Those are good results, especially factoring in last year when he got them into the playoffs with four straight Ws down the stretch. And throwing to receivers who could have easily been confused for parking attendants for stadium parking.
It was a bad look. But I think he really lost his job because he didn't convey a viable future plan at QB to his owner when they met right after the season. Remember they met twice and I think that is because Pederson was kind of winging it between whether he backed Wentz, Hurts or some other TBD option in the draft. He probably showed poorly in those sessions.
If he was a disaster, which he's not...they'd obviously move along.
Two points:
1. If Jones isn't a disaster, then what's the definition of disaster? He's a #6 pick overall, his stats are poor, the offense is VERY poor with him at QB, and the Giants are 8-18 with him at quarterback.
If that's not a disaster two years in, then what is? There isn't much room for it to be worse...you're talking Jamarcus Russell/Dwayne Haskins/Ryan Leaf as the only level below him.
2. Would the Giants move on from him? They've shown us many times that they are very slow to acknowledge and move on from a bad situation. I'm not even 100% convinced they move on from him if he has a poor 2021. I'd hope they would, but I'm not 100% on it...their delusion runs deep.
And just curious, does this timeframe apply to Barkley? Because if it does...
OH my god, you never stop. Jones is not and has not been a disaster. By your account Eli was a disaster years 1 and 2. Don't give me different times bullshit either as Eli had FAR more talent on those teams than Jones has ever had here.
Eli (years 1 & 2)- 389-754- 4805yds- 30td- 26int and 12 fumbles with a 50.5% compl %
Jones (years 1 & 2)- 564-907-5970yds- 35td- 22int and 23 fumbles with a 62.2% compl %.
Fumbles are the only area Jones is the only negative area compared to Eli after 2 years. Jones hasn't had Tiki, Jacobs, Burress, Shockey, Toomer etc and sure the hell didn't have that Oline either.
Still not bad for Eagles. The 1st is likely to be earned. They got to use him and then got some of the cost back. Overall net cost isn't bad for a starting QB for 5yrs.
I'm sure there would be a lot of happy BBI'ers on here if the Giants were able to sell Jones for a 1st and 3rd after his 5th year.
It will be a 2022 first going to Philly, but that likely is to be a 1st no earlier than the 20's with how that team is constructed.
It's a bargain for a QB that has shown the ability to produce at a high level. With how far the Colts went with Rivers, all they need is to maintain and a return to form for Wentz to be a Super Bowl contender.
Philly's problems are more than Wentz's poor year in 2020.
But Wentz needs to reboot personally and as a player. And it seems he's in good hands being back with Reich. So he's very fortunate to have landed in Indy.
got the better of the deal. The cost to find out whether they can resurrect Wentz is low in terms of draft compensation. He basically had no OL or WRs in 2020, which because of COVID - 19 was a crazy year for everyone. He also has no guaranteed money left on his contract.
The Eagles take the largest cap hit in NFL history by making this trade, but as others have noted, they are likely in full rebuild mode anyway, so it's better to just absorb everything bad this year and get it all out of the way. Wentz is completely off their books after this season. He also clearly wanted to leave, and it's almost impossible to get top value in that situation. The problem of course is that what the Eagles got in terms of compensation is a pittance relative to what they paid to get him. Hurts is also not likely the long term replacement for Wentz.
If he was a disaster, which he's not...they'd obviously move along.
Two points:
1. If Jones isn't a disaster, then what's the definition of disaster? He's a #6 pick overall, his stats are poor, the offense is VERY poor with him at QB, and the Giants are 8-18 with him at quarterback.
If that's not a disaster two years in, then what is? There isn't much room for it to be worse...you're talking Jamarcus Russell/Dwayne Haskins/Ryan Leaf as the only level below him.
2. Would the Giants move on from him? They've shown us many times that they are very slow to acknowledge and move on from a bad situation. I'm not even 100% convinced they move on from him if he has a poor 2021. I'd hope they would, but I'm not 100% on it...their delusion runs deep.
And just curious, does this timeframe apply to Barkley? Because if it does...
OH my god, you never stop. Jones is not and has not been a disaster. By your account Eli was a disaster years 1 and 2. Don't give me different times bullshit either as Eli had FAR more talent on those teams than Jones has ever had here.
Eli (years 1 & 2)- 389-754- 4805yds- 30td- 26int and 12 fumbles with a 50.5% compl %
Jones (years 1 & 2)- 564-907-5970yds- 35td- 22int and 23 fumbles with a 62.2% compl %.
Fumbles are the only area Jones is the only negative area compared to Eli after 2 years. Jones hasn't had Tiki, Jacobs, Burress, Shockey, Toomer etc and sure the hell didn't have that Oline either.
it's funny that posters here are absolving Wentz (former MVP type player) of any blame for the Eagles bad performance, and yet on the same token they expect Daniel Jones (2nd year player) to carry the Giants
in what world is that a legit comparison? Goff has a ton of flaws but he's a starting caliber QB with a 2:1 TD ratio and 42-27 record.
I'm referring to the trade where the Texans gave up the better draft picks than they received just to rid themselves of Osweiler's contract.
I am certain that the Rams would have given up less for Stafford if they didn't include Goff in the deal. They wound up having to sweeten the offer to get that contract off their hands.
it's funny that posters here are absolving Wentz (former MVP type player) of any blame for the Eagles bad performance, and yet on the same token they expect Daniel Jones (2nd year player) to carry the Giants
Already made that point ad infinitum..The response I get is his prior years and near MVP performance..THIS past season does not count, unless it’s an injured Jones..Jones’ rookie performance (save for the fumbling) merits zero consideration.
but Osweiler was never considered part of the future for the Browns, they basically bought picks.
Goff will actually be the starter and can stabilize them at QB, keeping them from reaching in the draft. And of course they would have paid less for Stafford without the big contract, but how else is this supposed to work when the QB is on the team already? They wouldn't be rostering both anyway.
The contract is inherent otherwise there wouldn't be a trade.
He was missing open guys, throwing to no man's land, running into pass rushers. It was a disaster.
Wonder if he bounces back. I think the Colts did a good job taking this risk, but I'd try to sign a quality back-up or draft a QB in the early rounds if I were them.
If he was a disaster, which he's not...they'd obviously move along.
Two points:
1. If Jones isn't a disaster, then what's the definition of disaster? He's a #6 pick overall, his stats are poor, the offense is VERY poor with him at QB, and the Giants are 8-18 with him at quarterback.
If that's not a disaster two years in, then what is? There isn't much room for it to be worse...you're talking Jamarcus Russell/Dwayne Haskins/Ryan Leaf as the only level below him.
2. Would the Giants move on from him? They've shown us many times that they are very slow to acknowledge and move on from a bad situation. I'm not even 100% convinced they move on from him if he has a poor 2021. I'd hope they would, but I'm not 100% on it...their delusion runs deep.
And just curious, does this timeframe apply to Barkley? Because if it does...
OH my god, you never stop. Jones is not and has not been a disaster. By your account Eli was a disaster years 1 and 2. Don't give me different times bullshit either as Eli had FAR more talent on those teams than Jones has ever had here.
Eli (years 1 & 2)- 389-754- 4805yds- 30td- 26int and 12 fumbles with a 50.5% compl %
Jones (years 1 & 2)- 564-907-5970yds- 35td- 22int and 23 fumbles with a 62.2% compl %.
Fumbles are the only area Jones is the only negative area compared to Eli after 2 years. Jones hasn't had Tiki, Jacobs, Burress, Shockey, Toomer etc and sure the hell didn't have that Oline either.
Excellent post. Terps harps on Jones “poor stats”, but those stats are pretty darn good when you look at the lack of playmakers he has in the field with him.
it's funny that posters here are absolving Wentz (former MVP type player) of any blame for the Eagles bad performance, and yet on the same token they expect Daniel Jones (2nd year player) to carry the Giants
Who is absolving Wentz for 2020? He looked indecisive and lost to me in so many games throughout the season. In fact, can't recall when he was particularly sharp outside of the 4QTR versus the first game they played the Giants.
If he was a disaster, which he's not...they'd obviously move along.
Two points:
1. If Jones isn't a disaster, then what's the definition of disaster? He's a #6 pick overall, his stats are poor, the offense is VERY poor with him at QB, and the Giants are 8-18 with him at quarterback.
If that's not a disaster two years in, then what is? There isn't much room for it to be worse...you're talking Jamarcus Russell/Dwayne Haskins/Ryan Leaf as the only level below him.
2. Would the Giants move on from him? They've shown us many times that they are very slow to acknowledge and move on from a bad situation. I'm not even 100% convinced they move on from him if he has a poor 2021. I'd hope they would, but I'm not 100% on it...their delusion runs deep.
And just curious, does this timeframe apply to Barkley? Because if it does...
OH my god, you never stop. Jones is not and has not been a disaster. By your account Eli was a disaster years 1 and 2. Don't give me different times bullshit either as Eli had FAR more talent on those teams than Jones has ever had here.
Eli (years 1 & 2)- 389-754- 4805yds- 30td- 26int and 12 fumbles with a 50.5% compl %
Jones (years 1 & 2)- 564-907-5970yds- 35td- 22int and 23 fumbles with a 62.2% compl %.
Fumbles are the only area Jones is the only negative area compared to Eli after 2 years. Jones hasn't had Tiki, Jacobs, Burress, Shockey, Toomer etc and sure the hell didn't have that Oline either.
Excellent post. Terps harps on Jones “poor stats”, but those stats are pretty darn good when you look at the lack of playmakers he has in the field with him.
Terps is flat out WRONG here.
There is absolutely no world where Jones's 2020 stats can be classified as "pretty darn good." It was a shitty season for him, and denying that in any way, regardless of what excuses you want to conjure up, is ridiculous.
That said, Jones's 2019 season was far more encouraging. Hopefully that was not simply a byproduct of Shurmur's QB whispering (would it be completely unrealistic to imagine that Jones was just Shurmur's more recent version of Case Keenum?), and that the underlying talent is actually there.
I've said this before and I'll stand by it: In a few years, we'll be able to look back at DJ's first two years in the league and one of those two seasons will likely prove to have been an outlier. The jury's still out on which one it'll be, though.
If he was a disaster, which he's not...they'd obviously move along.
Two points:
1. If Jones isn't a disaster, then what's the definition of disaster? He's a #6 pick overall, his stats are poor, the offense is VERY poor with him at QB, and the Giants are 8-18 with him at quarterback.
If that's not a disaster two years in, then what is? There isn't much room for it to be worse...you're talking Jamarcus Russell/Dwayne Haskins/Ryan Leaf as the only level below him.
2. Would the Giants move on from him? They've shown us many times that they are very slow to acknowledge and move on from a bad situation. I'm not even 100% convinced they move on from him if he has a poor 2021. I'd hope they would, but I'm not 100% on it...their delusion runs deep.
And just curious, does this timeframe apply to Barkley? Because if it does...
OH my god, you never stop. Jones is not and has not been a disaster. By your account Eli was a disaster years 1 and 2. Don't give me different times bullshit either as Eli had FAR more talent on those teams than Jones has ever had here.
Eli (years 1 & 2)- 389-754- 4805yds- 30td- 26int and 12 fumbles with a 50.5% compl %
Jones (years 1 & 2)- 564-907-5970yds- 35td- 22int and 23 fumbles with a 62.2% compl %.
Fumbles are the only area Jones is the only negative area compared to Eli after 2 years. Jones hasn't had Tiki, Jacobs, Burress, Shockey, Toomer etc and sure the hell didn't have that Oline either.
Excellent post. Terps harps on Jones “poor stats”, but those stats are pretty darn good when you look at the lack of playmakers he has in the field with him.
If he was a disaster, which he's not...they'd obviously move along.
Two points:
1. If Jones isn't a disaster, then what's the definition of disaster? He's a #6 pick overall, his stats are poor, the offense is VERY poor with him at QB, and the Giants are 8-18 with him at quarterback.
If that's not a disaster two years in, then what is? There isn't much room for it to be worse...you're talking Jamarcus Russell/Dwayne Haskins/Ryan Leaf as the only level below him.
2. Would the Giants move on from him? They've shown us many times that they are very slow to acknowledge and move on from a bad situation. I'm not even 100% convinced they move on from him if he has a poor 2021. I'd hope they would, but I'm not 100% on it...their delusion runs deep.
And just curious, does this timeframe apply to Barkley? Because if it does...
OH my god, you never stop. Jones is not and has not been a disaster. By your account Eli was a disaster years 1 and 2. Don't give me different times bullshit either as Eli had FAR more talent on those teams than Jones has ever had here.
Eli (years 1 & 2)- 389-754- 4805yds- 30td- 26int and 12 fumbles with a 50.5% compl %
Jones (years 1 & 2)- 564-907-5970yds- 35td- 22int and 23 fumbles with a 62.2% compl %.
Fumbles are the only area Jones is the only negative area compared to Eli after 2 years. Jones hasn't had Tiki, Jacobs, Burress, Shockey, Toomer etc and sure the hell didn't have that Oline either.
Excellent post. Terps harps on Jones “poor stats”, but those stats are pretty darn good when you look at the lack of playmakers he has in the field with him.
Terps is flat out WRONG here.
There is absolutely no world where Jones's 2020 stats can be classified as "pretty darn good." It was a shitty season for him, and denying that in any way, regardless of what excuses you want to conjure up, is ridiculous.
That said, Jones's 2019 season was far more encouraging. Hopefully that was not simply a byproduct of Shurmur's QB whispering (would it be completely unrealistic to imagine that Jones was just Shurmur's more recent version of Case Keenum?), and that the underlying talent is actually there.
I've said this before and I'll stand by it: In a few years, we'll be able to look back at DJ's first two years in the league and one of those two seasons will likely prove to have been an outlier. The jury's still out on which one it'll be, though.
I was looking at the 2 year stats that were posted, not just 2020. Try to keep up.
it's funny that posters here are absolving Wentz (former MVP type player) of any blame for the Eagles bad performance, and yet on the same token they expect Daniel Jones (2nd year player) to carry the Giants
Wentz deserves blame - sure. He lost a lot of poise this year and put his team in some bad spots with his decision making.
However, he has shown the ability to make chicken salad; and that was on full display last year when he essentially won four playoff games in December to get the Eagles into the playoffs.
So, IMV, Wentz has built up some equity with his play and deserves some benefit of the doubt. Jones hasn't. Which is why the Giants really need to go all in this off-season to give him more reinforcements so we can see if he can produce points and wins.
If he was a disaster, which he's not...they'd obviously move along.
Two points:
1. If Jones isn't a disaster, then what's the definition of disaster? He's a #6 pick overall, his stats are poor, the offense is VERY poor with him at QB, and the Giants are 8-18 with him at quarterback.
If that's not a disaster two years in, then what is? There isn't much room for it to be worse...you're talking Jamarcus Russell/Dwayne Haskins/Ryan Leaf as the only level below him.
2. Would the Giants move on from him? They've shown us many times that they are very slow to acknowledge and move on from a bad situation. I'm not even 100% convinced they move on from him if he has a poor 2021. I'd hope they would, but I'm not 100% on it...their delusion runs deep.
And just curious, does this timeframe apply to Barkley? Because if it does...
OH my god, you never stop. Jones is not and has not been a disaster. By your account Eli was a disaster years 1 and 2. Don't give me different times bullshit either as Eli had FAR more talent on those teams than Jones has ever had here.
Eli (years 1 & 2)- 389-754- 4805yds- 30td- 26int and 12 fumbles with a 50.5% compl %
Jones (years 1 & 2)- 564-907-5970yds- 35td- 22int and 23 fumbles with a 62.2% compl %.
Fumbles are the only area Jones is the only negative area compared to Eli after 2 years. Jones hasn't had Tiki, Jacobs, Burress, Shockey, Toomer etc and sure the hell didn't have that Oline either.
Excellent post. Terps harps on Jones “poor stats”, but those stats are pretty darn good when you look at the lack of playmakers he has in the field with him.
Terps is flat out WRONG here.
There is absolutely no world where Jones's 2020 stats can be classified as "pretty darn good." It was a shitty season for him, and denying that in any way, regardless of what excuses you want to conjure up, is ridiculous.
That said, Jones's 2019 season was far more encouraging. Hopefully that was not simply a byproduct of Shurmur's QB whispering (would it be completely unrealistic to imagine that Jones was just Shurmur's more recent version of Case Keenum?), and that the underlying talent is actually there.
I've said this before and I'll stand by it: In a few years, we'll be able to look back at DJ's first two years in the league and one of those two seasons will likely prove to have been an outlier. The jury's still out on which one it'll be, though.
I was looking at the 2 year stats that were posted, not just 2020. He’s had garbage talent around him both seasons.
it's funny that posters here are absolving Wentz (former MVP type player) of any blame for the Eagles bad performance, and yet on the same token they expect Daniel Jones (2nd year player) to carry the Giants
Wentz deserves blame - sure. He lost a lot of poise this year and put his team in some bad spots with his decision making.
However, he has shown the ability to make chicken salad; and that was on full display last year when he essentially won four playoff games in December to get the Eagles into the playoffs.
So, IMV, Wentz has built up some equity with his play and deserves some benefit of the doubt. Jones hasn't. Which is why the Giants really need to go all in this off-season to give him more reinforcements so we can see if he can produce points and wins.
We agree here. Jones needs help, if we don't get him any I doubt he's going to move the needle much. But if we do we need to see how he responds and that's the point of year 3 which will then tell us all we need to know about what happens beyond 2021.
Eli led one of the highest scoring offenses in the league his second year. Jones the second worst.
Insulting to Eli.
Shocking. Because it doesn’t fit your narrative. We get it.
No, because it just isn't the truth. You can compare Jones to Sid Luckman and his numbers are going to be good too.
Offensive football was very different in 2005. Amongst his contemporaries Eli could fairly have been considered a promising player. In year two he led a high scoring offense and the team went 11-5.
How is Jones doing amongst his contemporaries? The answer is he completely fucking blows.
Now they trade him?
They must have wanted Pederson gone regardless.
Two points:
1. If Jones isn't a disaster, then what's the definition of disaster? He's a #6 pick overall, his stats are poor, the offense is VERY poor with him at QB, and the Giants are 8-18 with him at quarterback.
If that's not a disaster two years in, then what is? There isn't much room for it to be worse...you're talking Jamarcus Russell/Dwayne Haskins/Ryan Leaf as the only level below him.
2. Would the Giants move on from him? They've shown us many times that they are very slow to acknowledge and move on from a bad situation. I'm not even 100% convinced they move on from him if he has a poor 2021. I'd hope they would, but I'm not 100% on it...their delusion runs deep.
And just curious, does this timeframe apply to Barkley? Because if it does...
Now they trade him?
They must have wanted Pederson gone regardless.
Nobody truly knows what happened but it seems as if Roseman was the Wentz fan but others weren't. Also, with the way the last game unfolded, there was talk that Pederson lost the locker room and giving him another year wouldn't do anything positive. I think that is why he was fired so late. In terms of trading Wentz it seems that since there were conflicting opinions between management and owner that they may have just let their new HC evaluate the QBs and go from there.
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If he was a disaster, which he's not...they'd obviously move along.
Two points:
1. If Jones isn't a disaster, then what's the definition of disaster? He's a #6 pick overall, his stats are poor, the offense is VERY poor with him at QB, and the Giants are 8-18 with him at quarterback.
If that's not a disaster two years in, then what is? There isn't much room for it to be worse...you're talking Jamarcus Russell/Dwayne Haskins/Ryan Leaf as the only level below him.
2. Would the Giants move on from him? They've shown us many times that they are very slow to acknowledge and move on from a bad situation. I'm not even 100% convinced they move on from him if he has a poor 2021. I'd hope they would, but I'm not 100% on it...their delusion runs deep.
And just curious, does this timeframe apply to Barkley? Because if it does...
Here's what does not compute for me, in your thinking Terps.
How do you say that about Jones, then turn around and say the Eagles SHOULD NOT have signed Wentz? Seriously? How do you determine that Wentz was merely a passenger on his team when he went 11-2, threw for 3500 yards, 33 TD's to 7 INT's, and a 102 QBR?
That's where you lose a lot of people. You do not consistently apply the logic you use.
If you DON'T re-sign Wentz, which you are saying they shouldn't have, who do you EVER re-sign?
Speaking of Barkley, isn't Lamar Jackson just as prone to wear and tear as a RB at this point, in terms of second contract? Do you sign him to the 40 million per year megadeal that is looming there?
Normally, I am put off by many posters' negativity... but I agree with Terps 100% about how the Super Bowl utterly exposed him.
It was unbelievable when Phila paid him, and today they are lucky to get anything for him. And, as someone else above mentioned, they are extremely fortunate to be able to light up his cap hit in a throwaway season.
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I thought they fired Pederson because he did NOT want Wentz and the Eagles were were sticking WITH Wentz?
Now they trade him?
They must have wanted Pederson gone regardless.
Nobody truly knows what happened but it seems as if Roseman was the Wentz fan but others weren't. Also, with the way the last game unfolded, there was talk that Pederson lost the locker room and giving him another year wouldn't do anything positive. I think that is why he was fired so late. In terms of trading Wentz it seems that since there were conflicting opinions between management and owner that they may have just let their new HC evaluate the QBs and go from there.
Yeah Robbie -
that makes more sense (New HC - starts over).
I thought the battle lines between Pederson and Wentz were a little more definitive. I guess it was just speculation.
He also said that the Eagles GM Howie Roseman has turned a potentially Super Bowl contender into the JETS with the latest trade!
I'm loving how the Eagles fans are squirming in the cesspool that their franchise has become.
DIE EAGLES DIE.....ON THE ROAD TO MISERY
GoTerps has a real knack for ruining perfectly good threads with his bullshit nonsense.
You don't seem to grasp this, because you are so anti Giants that it is a disease on your ability to think clearly.
He also said that the Eagles GM Howie Roseman has turned a potentially Super Bowl contender into the JETS with the latest trade!
I'm loving how the Eagles fans are squirming in the cesspool that their franchise has become.
DIE EAGLES DIE.....ON THE ROAD TO MISERY
lol
I can imagine Sports talk radio in Philly going batshit.
Superbowl contender? A bit of a stretch by Masinelli?
: )
In the present division power rating , plug the Eagles in at 4. Their implosion is interesting , unexpected and highly enjoyable . I hope it continues by screwing up with the sixth pick .
Other side is those who keep wanted to turn the page on every player who doesn't play at their peak level EVERY year!!
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GoTerps has a real knack for ruining perfectly good threads with his bullshit nonsense.
Moreso, the other 15 guys trying to outwit him in the typical obsessive fashion...
Now they trade him?
They must have wanted Pederson gone regardless.
Pederson's exit, I believe, was driven by the debacle of the last game and the heavy blow-back the organization got nationally. That was a very bad look and they needed a fall guy. Which was Pederson. In retrospect, I wonder if Pederson did it on purpose as some form of mutiny...?
Before this season, Wentz was 32-24 as the starter about 100TDs/30+INTs (a good ratio), 7+ YPA/7.5 A/YPA, and a near MVP season before he got hurt in 2017. Those are good results, especially factoring in last year when he got them into the playoffs with four straight Ws down the stretch. And throwing to receivers who could have easily been confused for parking attendants for stadium parking.
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...Killed.
GoTerps has a real knack for ruining perfectly good threads with his bullshit nonsense.
Go back up and read through the thread.
What do you add, by the way?
1. massively overpaid QB
2. aging OL/DL
3. horrible cap situation
Not hard to believe he wanted out.
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what the hell would Jones get in the trade market if Philly can only scrape a 3rd and conditional 2nd for Wentz...
Do you think Wentz’s contract, his demand for a trade, and his toxic relationship with the front office has anything to do with that or do we just ignore that to try to make a point?
I did consider that, yes.
And I considered he's had one losing season as the starter (2020), taken the Eagles to the playoffs three times, has been in the MVP hunt, and has shown he can make chicken salad.
And now it’s chicken shit!
It is also the same fucking group that tells other posters to argue in "good faith". Why do I feel like we are bombarded by one big troll job here?
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I thought they fired Pederson because he did NOT want Wentz and the Eagles were were sticking WITH Wentz?
Now they trade him?
They must have wanted Pederson gone regardless.
Pederson's exit, I believe, was driven by the debacle of the last game and the heavy blow-back the organization got nationally. That was a very bad look and they needed a fall guy. Which was Pederson. In retrospect, I wonder if Pederson did it on purpose as some form of mutiny...?
Before this season, Wentz was 32-24 as the starter about 100TDs/30+INTs (a good ratio), 7+ YPA/7.5 A/YPA, and a near MVP season before he got hurt in 2017. Those are good results, especially factoring in last year when he got them into the playoffs with four straight Ws down the stretch. And throwing to receivers who could have easily been confused for parking attendants for stadium parking.
It was a bad look. But I think he really lost his job because he didn't convey a viable future plan at QB to his owner when they met right after the season. Remember they met twice and I think that is because Pederson was kind of winging it between whether he backed Wentz, Hurts or some other TBD option in the draft. He probably showed poorly in those sessions.
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...Killed.
GoTerps has a real knack for ruining perfectly good threads with his bullshit nonsense.
Go back up and read through the thread.
What do you add, by the way?
More than you.
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...Killed.
GoTerps has a real knack for ruining perfectly good threads with his bullshit nonsense.
Go back up and read through the thread.
What do you add, by the way?
About the same as fmic...
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If he was a disaster, which he's not...they'd obviously move along.
Two points:
1. If Jones isn't a disaster, then what's the definition of disaster? He's a #6 pick overall, his stats are poor, the offense is VERY poor with him at QB, and the Giants are 8-18 with him at quarterback.
If that's not a disaster two years in, then what is? There isn't much room for it to be worse...you're talking Jamarcus Russell/Dwayne Haskins/Ryan Leaf as the only level below him.
2. Would the Giants move on from him? They've shown us many times that they are very slow to acknowledge and move on from a bad situation. I'm not even 100% convinced they move on from him if he has a poor 2021. I'd hope they would, but I'm not 100% on it...their delusion runs deep.
And just curious, does this timeframe apply to Barkley? Because if it does...
OH my god, you never stop. Jones is not and has not been a disaster. By your account Eli was a disaster years 1 and 2. Don't give me different times bullshit either as Eli had FAR more talent on those teams than Jones has ever had here.
Eli (years 1 & 2)- 389-754- 4805yds- 30td- 26int and 12 fumbles with a 50.5% compl %
Jones (years 1 & 2)- 564-907-5970yds- 35td- 22int and 23 fumbles with a 62.2% compl %.
Fumbles are the only area Jones is the only negative area compared to Eli after 2 years. Jones hasn't had Tiki, Jacobs, Burress, Shockey, Toomer etc and sure the hell didn't have that Oline either.
I'm sure there would be a lot of happy BBI'ers on here if the Giants were able to sell Jones for a 1st and 3rd after his 5th year.
It will be a 2022 first going to Philly, but that likely is to be a 1st no earlier than the 20's with how that team is constructed.
It's a bargain for a QB that has shown the ability to produce at a high level. With how far the Colts went with Rivers, all they need is to maintain and a return to form for Wentz to be a Super Bowl contender.
But Wentz needs to reboot personally and as a player. And it seems he's in good hands being back with Reich. So he's very fortunate to have landed in Indy.
The Eagles take the largest cap hit in NFL history by making this trade, but as others have noted, they are likely in full rebuild mode anyway, so it's better to just absorb everything bad this year and get it all out of the way. Wentz is completely off their books after this season. He also clearly wanted to leave, and it's almost impossible to get top value in that situation. The problem of course is that what the Eagles got in terms of compensation is a pittance relative to what they paid to get him. Hurts is also not likely the long term replacement for Wentz.
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If he was a disaster, which he's not...they'd obviously move along.
Two points:
1. If Jones isn't a disaster, then what's the definition of disaster? He's a #6 pick overall, his stats are poor, the offense is VERY poor with him at QB, and the Giants are 8-18 with him at quarterback.
If that's not a disaster two years in, then what is? There isn't much room for it to be worse...you're talking Jamarcus Russell/Dwayne Haskins/Ryan Leaf as the only level below him.
2. Would the Giants move on from him? They've shown us many times that they are very slow to acknowledge and move on from a bad situation. I'm not even 100% convinced they move on from him if he has a poor 2021. I'd hope they would, but I'm not 100% on it...their delusion runs deep.
And just curious, does this timeframe apply to Barkley? Because if it does...
OH my god, you never stop. Jones is not and has not been a disaster. By your account Eli was a disaster years 1 and 2. Don't give me different times bullshit either as Eli had FAR more talent on those teams than Jones has ever had here.
Eli (years 1 & 2)- 389-754- 4805yds- 30td- 26int and 12 fumbles with a 50.5% compl %
Jones (years 1 & 2)- 564-907-5970yds- 35td- 22int and 23 fumbles with a 62.2% compl %.
Fumbles are the only area Jones is the only negative area compared to Eli after 2 years. Jones hasn't had Tiki, Jacobs, Burress, Shockey, Toomer etc and sure the hell didn't have that Oline either.
He also hasn’t had Barkley
I'm referring to the trade where the Texans gave up the better draft picks than they received just to rid themselves of Osweiler's contract.
I am certain that the Rams would have given up less for Stafford if they didn't include Goff in the deal. They wound up having to sweeten the offer to get that contract off their hands.
Already made that point ad infinitum..The response I get is his prior years and near MVP performance..THIS past season does not count, unless it’s an injured Jones..Jones’ rookie performance (save for the fumbling) merits zero consideration.
Goff will actually be the starter and can stabilize them at QB, keeping them from reaching in the draft. And of course they would have paid less for Stafford without the big contract, but how else is this supposed to work when the QB is on the team already? They wouldn't be rostering both anyway.
The contract is inherent otherwise there wouldn't be a trade.
Wonder if he bounces back. I think the Colts did a good job taking this risk, but I'd try to sign a quality back-up or draft a QB in the early rounds if I were them.
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I think this is a key sentence:
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If he was a disaster, which he's not...they'd obviously move along.
Two points:
1. If Jones isn't a disaster, then what's the definition of disaster? He's a #6 pick overall, his stats are poor, the offense is VERY poor with him at QB, and the Giants are 8-18 with him at quarterback.
If that's not a disaster two years in, then what is? There isn't much room for it to be worse...you're talking Jamarcus Russell/Dwayne Haskins/Ryan Leaf as the only level below him.
2. Would the Giants move on from him? They've shown us many times that they are very slow to acknowledge and move on from a bad situation. I'm not even 100% convinced they move on from him if he has a poor 2021. I'd hope they would, but I'm not 100% on it...their delusion runs deep.
And just curious, does this timeframe apply to Barkley? Because if it does...
OH my god, you never stop. Jones is not and has not been a disaster. By your account Eli was a disaster years 1 and 2. Don't give me different times bullshit either as Eli had FAR more talent on those teams than Jones has ever had here.
Eli (years 1 & 2)- 389-754- 4805yds- 30td- 26int and 12 fumbles with a 50.5% compl %
Jones (years 1 & 2)- 564-907-5970yds- 35td- 22int and 23 fumbles with a 62.2% compl %.
Fumbles are the only area Jones is the only negative area compared to Eli after 2 years. Jones hasn't had Tiki, Jacobs, Burress, Shockey, Toomer etc and sure the hell didn't have that Oline either.
Excellent post. Terps harps on Jones “poor stats”, but those stats are pretty darn good when you look at the lack of playmakers he has in the field with him.
Terps is flat out WRONG here.
Who is absolving Wentz for 2020? He looked indecisive and lost to me in so many games throughout the season. In fact, can't recall when he was particularly sharp outside of the 4QTR versus the first game they played the Giants.
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I think this is a key sentence:
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If he was a disaster, which he's not...they'd obviously move along.
Two points:
1. If Jones isn't a disaster, then what's the definition of disaster? He's a #6 pick overall, his stats are poor, the offense is VERY poor with him at QB, and the Giants are 8-18 with him at quarterback.
If that's not a disaster two years in, then what is? There isn't much room for it to be worse...you're talking Jamarcus Russell/Dwayne Haskins/Ryan Leaf as the only level below him.
2. Would the Giants move on from him? They've shown us many times that they are very slow to acknowledge and move on from a bad situation. I'm not even 100% convinced they move on from him if he has a poor 2021. I'd hope they would, but I'm not 100% on it...their delusion runs deep.
And just curious, does this timeframe apply to Barkley? Because if it does...
OH my god, you never stop. Jones is not and has not been a disaster. By your account Eli was a disaster years 1 and 2. Don't give me different times bullshit either as Eli had FAR more talent on those teams than Jones has ever had here.
Eli (years 1 & 2)- 389-754- 4805yds- 30td- 26int and 12 fumbles with a 50.5% compl %
Jones (years 1 & 2)- 564-907-5970yds- 35td- 22int and 23 fumbles with a 62.2% compl %.
Fumbles are the only area Jones is the only negative area compared to Eli after 2 years. Jones hasn't had Tiki, Jacobs, Burress, Shockey, Toomer etc and sure the hell didn't have that Oline either.
Excellent post. Terps harps on Jones “poor stats”, but those stats are pretty darn good when you look at the lack of playmakers he has in the field with him.
Terps is flat out WRONG here.
There is absolutely no world where Jones's 2020 stats can be classified as "pretty darn good." It was a shitty season for him, and denying that in any way, regardless of what excuses you want to conjure up, is ridiculous.
That said, Jones's 2019 season was far more encouraging. Hopefully that was not simply a byproduct of Shurmur's QB whispering (would it be completely unrealistic to imagine that Jones was just Shurmur's more recent version of Case Keenum?), and that the underlying talent is actually there.
I've said this before and I'll stand by it: In a few years, we'll be able to look back at DJ's first two years in the league and one of those two seasons will likely prove to have been an outlier. The jury's still out on which one it'll be, though.
You hope.
There is nothing that should give you enough confidence to be so definitive about that, however.
Eli led one of the highest scoring offenses in the league his second year. Jones the second worst.
Insulting to Eli.
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I think this is a key sentence:
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If he was a disaster, which he's not...they'd obviously move along.
Two points:
1. If Jones isn't a disaster, then what's the definition of disaster? He's a #6 pick overall, his stats are poor, the offense is VERY poor with him at QB, and the Giants are 8-18 with him at quarterback.
If that's not a disaster two years in, then what is? There isn't much room for it to be worse...you're talking Jamarcus Russell/Dwayne Haskins/Ryan Leaf as the only level below him.
2. Would the Giants move on from him? They've shown us many times that they are very slow to acknowledge and move on from a bad situation. I'm not even 100% convinced they move on from him if he has a poor 2021. I'd hope they would, but I'm not 100% on it...their delusion runs deep.
And just curious, does this timeframe apply to Barkley? Because if it does...
OH my god, you never stop. Jones is not and has not been a disaster. By your account Eli was a disaster years 1 and 2. Don't give me different times bullshit either as Eli had FAR more talent on those teams than Jones has ever had here.
Eli (years 1 & 2)- 389-754- 4805yds- 30td- 26int and 12 fumbles with a 50.5% compl %
Jones (years 1 & 2)- 564-907-5970yds- 35td- 22int and 23 fumbles with a 62.2% compl %.
Fumbles are the only area Jones is the only negative area compared to Eli after 2 years. Jones hasn't had Tiki, Jacobs, Burress, Shockey, Toomer etc and sure the hell didn't have that Oline either.
Excellent post. Terps harps on Jones “poor stats”, but those stats are pretty darn good when you look at the lack of playmakers he has in the field with him.
Terps is flat out WRONG here.
+2.
Eli led one of the highest scoring offenses in the league his second year. Jones the second worst.
Insulting to Eli.
Shocking. Because it doesn’t fit your narrative. We get it.
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In comment 15156455 Go Terps said:
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I think this is a key sentence:
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If he was a disaster, which he's not...they'd obviously move along.
Two points:
1. If Jones isn't a disaster, then what's the definition of disaster? He's a #6 pick overall, his stats are poor, the offense is VERY poor with him at QB, and the Giants are 8-18 with him at quarterback.
If that's not a disaster two years in, then what is? There isn't much room for it to be worse...you're talking Jamarcus Russell/Dwayne Haskins/Ryan Leaf as the only level below him.
2. Would the Giants move on from him? They've shown us many times that they are very slow to acknowledge and move on from a bad situation. I'm not even 100% convinced they move on from him if he has a poor 2021. I'd hope they would, but I'm not 100% on it...their delusion runs deep.
And just curious, does this timeframe apply to Barkley? Because if it does...
OH my god, you never stop. Jones is not and has not been a disaster. By your account Eli was a disaster years 1 and 2. Don't give me different times bullshit either as Eli had FAR more talent on those teams than Jones has ever had here.
Eli (years 1 & 2)- 389-754- 4805yds- 30td- 26int and 12 fumbles with a 50.5% compl %
Jones (years 1 & 2)- 564-907-5970yds- 35td- 22int and 23 fumbles with a 62.2% compl %.
Fumbles are the only area Jones is the only negative area compared to Eli after 2 years. Jones hasn't had Tiki, Jacobs, Burress, Shockey, Toomer etc and sure the hell didn't have that Oline either.
Excellent post. Terps harps on Jones “poor stats”, but those stats are pretty darn good when you look at the lack of playmakers he has in the field with him.
Terps is flat out WRONG here.
There is absolutely no world where Jones's 2020 stats can be classified as "pretty darn good." It was a shitty season for him, and denying that in any way, regardless of what excuses you want to conjure up, is ridiculous.
That said, Jones's 2019 season was far more encouraging. Hopefully that was not simply a byproduct of Shurmur's QB whispering (would it be completely unrealistic to imagine that Jones was just Shurmur's more recent version of Case Keenum?), and that the underlying talent is actually there.
I've said this before and I'll stand by it: In a few years, we'll be able to look back at DJ's first two years in the league and one of those two seasons will likely prove to have been an outlier. The jury's still out on which one it'll be, though.
I was looking at the 2 year stats that were posted, not just 2020. Try to keep up.
Wentz deserves blame - sure. He lost a lot of poise this year and put his team in some bad spots with his decision making.
However, he has shown the ability to make chicken salad; and that was on full display last year when he essentially won four playoff games in December to get the Eagles into the playoffs.
So, IMV, Wentz has built up some equity with his play and deserves some benefit of the doubt. Jones hasn't. Which is why the Giants really need to go all in this off-season to give him more reinforcements so we can see if he can produce points and wins.
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I think this is a key sentence:
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If he was a disaster, which he's not...they'd obviously move along.
Two points:
1. If Jones isn't a disaster, then what's the definition of disaster? He's a #6 pick overall, his stats are poor, the offense is VERY poor with him at QB, and the Giants are 8-18 with him at quarterback.
If that's not a disaster two years in, then what is? There isn't much room for it to be worse...you're talking Jamarcus Russell/Dwayne Haskins/Ryan Leaf as the only level below him.
2. Would the Giants move on from him? They've shown us many times that they are very slow to acknowledge and move on from a bad situation. I'm not even 100% convinced they move on from him if he has a poor 2021. I'd hope they would, but I'm not 100% on it...their delusion runs deep.
And just curious, does this timeframe apply to Barkley? Because if it does...
OH my god, you never stop. Jones is not and has not been a disaster. By your account Eli was a disaster years 1 and 2. Don't give me different times bullshit either as Eli had FAR more talent on those teams than Jones has ever had here.
Eli (years 1 & 2)- 389-754- 4805yds- 30td- 26int and 12 fumbles with a 50.5% compl %
Jones (years 1 & 2)- 564-907-5970yds- 35td- 22int and 23 fumbles with a 62.2% compl %.
Fumbles are the only area Jones is the only negative area compared to Eli after 2 years. Jones hasn't had Tiki, Jacobs, Burress, Shockey, Toomer etc and sure the hell didn't have that Oline either.
Excellent post. Terps harps on Jones “poor stats”, but those stats are pretty darn good when you look at the lack of playmakers he has in the field with him.
Terps is flat out WRONG here.
There is absolutely no world where Jones's 2020 stats can be classified as "pretty darn good." It was a shitty season for him, and denying that in any way, regardless of what excuses you want to conjure up, is ridiculous.
That said, Jones's 2019 season was far more encouraging. Hopefully that was not simply a byproduct of Shurmur's QB whispering (would it be completely unrealistic to imagine that Jones was just Shurmur's more recent version of Case Keenum?), and that the underlying talent is actually there.
I've said this before and I'll stand by it: In a few years, we'll be able to look back at DJ's first two years in the league and one of those two seasons will likely prove to have been an outlier. The jury's still out on which one it'll be, though.
I was looking at the 2 year stats that were posted, not just 2020. He’s had garbage talent around him both seasons.
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Daniel Jones was put in a tough spot following Eli with no weapons. He is not a disaster.
You hope.
There is nothing that should give you enough confidence to be so definitive about that, however.
I disagree. Your gonna have to deal with that.
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it's funny that posters here are absolving Wentz (former MVP type player) of any blame for the Eagles bad performance, and yet on the same token they expect Daniel Jones (2nd year player) to carry the Giants
Wentz deserves blame - sure. He lost a lot of poise this year and put his team in some bad spots with his decision making.
However, he has shown the ability to make chicken salad; and that was on full display last year when he essentially won four playoff games in December to get the Eagles into the playoffs.
So, IMV, Wentz has built up some equity with his play and deserves some benefit of the doubt. Jones hasn't. Which is why the Giants really need to go all in this off-season to give him more reinforcements so we can see if he can produce points and wins.
We agree here. Jones needs help, if we don't get him any I doubt he's going to move the needle much. But if we do we need to see how he responds and that's the point of year 3 which will then tell us all we need to know about what happens beyond 2021.
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Different eras, different results.
Eli led one of the highest scoring offenses in the league his second year. Jones the second worst.
Insulting to Eli.
Shocking. Because it doesn’t fit your narrative. We get it.
No, because it just isn't the truth. You can compare Jones to Sid Luckman and his numbers are going to be good too.
Offensive football was very different in 2005. Amongst his contemporaries Eli could fairly have been considered a promising player. In year two he led a high scoring offense and the team went 11-5.
How is Jones doing amongst his contemporaries? The answer is he completely fucking blows.