Philadelphia has agreed to trade Carson Wentz to the Indianapolis Colts in exchange for a 2021 third-round pick and a conditional 2022 second-round pick that could turn into a first, league sources tell
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and me.
back in the day got a 2nd for AJ Feely and a 2nd for Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie PLUS a 2nd for Kevin fucking Kolb, so I'll chalk this one up as a win from a Giants POV since I'm so used to them trading their QBs for way more than they're worth.
Also, side note, but man DRC was so much better on the Giants than on the Eagles.
RE: The weapons Eli in 2005 and Jones had in 2020 alone
make it a tough comparison. Not to mention, the much better OL the Giants had in 2005. Give Jones those same quality weapons and OL we had in 2005 and Jones has a much better year than he had in 2020.
I thought Eli was going to be an elite QB in 04/05. A top five QB, MVP contender. He never quite developed into that. I don't see that in Jones. I see a guy who might be able to develop into a borderline top 12 guy in his best years, and probably an average guy. I frankly don't have a lot of conviction in my view yet and need another year of data.
But I'm not willing to give Jones year four if we get a mediocre performance from him next year. And I dread seeing the team talk itself into another year of Jones simply because he delivers a better performance than 2020.
Eli had guys getting open. Jones didn’t. That factors into the completion, TD%, and int %,
Shockey and Barber were easy completions, Jones had nothing easy.
I definitely think the surrounding team is a factor. The questions I ask myself (and I'm curious on others views as well) are: 1. Do you think Jones can be a top ten QB? 2. How confident are you in that opinion?
For me, I think it's a low probably on #1. On #2, I'm not that confident in that view yet and want another year - hopefully with better weapons.
more time, why wouldn't you just point to that is what Head Coach Joe Judge looks to be doing. At least until the Giants get through the 2021 Draft and don't pick a QB very high.
Using comparisons to Eli Manning is not particularly unfair but seems a bit dangerous knowing what he soon hereafter accomplishes. But moreso, its just not necessary.
I was optimistic after year one as well. I did go back and re-watch his best games from 2019 and saw some of the bad signs that manifested themselves in 2020. I'm not QB guru, though, so hoping to be wrong.
That said, the Eagles are doing the right thing in not chasing the sunk cost. Acknowledge it's over and move on.
But man did they fuck up paying him.
He earned it by his play over a 3 year period. He had a bad year- it happens and in a year or two, that contract will be reasonable for a starting qb. Hell, for all the hand wringing about his contract, his cap hit this season is $25 million and Sporttrac lists the average annual value of his contract as 8th. What do you think these guys get paid?
The Eagles did the same thing we did when the owners panicked after Manning had a bad year, shit-canned the offense that made him a star and saddled him with Aaron Rodgers' coffee go for.
The Eagles won the title without him. As someone (me) once said, we saw how vital he wasn't. Wayback machine is fun - ( New Window )
The Eagles were 11-2 under Wentz that year as the Eagles won the division and got a first round bye. He threw for 33 td's. You don't think he had a hand in winning the SB? Don't be that obtuse.
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The Eagles were 11-2 under Wentz that year as the Eagles won the division and got a first round bye. He threw for 33 td's. You don't think he had a hand in winning the SB? Don't be that obtuse.
When you get under the hood with Wentz, he did some very good work before this season's debacle. So I understood/understand why the Eagles made the big investment. My concern was always Wentz's durability, not is ability.
After this year, I think both are in play as concerns. But he's reconnecting with Reich, so it's about as ideal as it can be for the reboot.
I think he will do well in Indy, but if the relationship was shot then they had to trade him. So the mistake goes beyond the trade, just like with Hopkins, and every other trade that was made due to a rift.
If I were and Eagles fan I really wouldn’t care either way. They got a ring out of it (even if he didn’t win it) and I would hope that the locker room BS gets cleaned up (whosever fault it was) and they move on in a positive direction. As a Giants fan I hope they rot, haha.
"Not that I blame Philly, but it is astounding the leeway BBI shows for other teams while crushing NYG's every move."
spot on.
oh jeez stop being so sensitive..
Who’s sensitive I couldn’t care less. I don’t even blame Philly for dealing wentz. I just think it’s weird that some people are propping up Philly.
This is one weird 4-5 year run for them. I don’t have a dog in this race at all. Wentz could wash out in a year for all I care. I just want Philly to suck. This chain of events certainly doesn’t help their cause but like Robbie and myself posted earlier it does make some sense with new staff in place. It’s just weird, very weird. And pederson is still fired lol. Yes. Weird.
When it"s the last game of the year, and Indy has already clinched a playoff birth, and Wentz is just approaching the 70% of offensive snaps played mark for the 2nd->1st round condition to kick in...
And Reich sits him down, despite the game result hanging in the balance, cuz he wants to check out his 3rd string laggard.
And Philly gets the 2, only.
Waaaaahhh!!!
Hearing the analytics media praise the Eagles for this trade..
This is where I get annoyed with the hypocrisy. The NFL Ringer show is praising Philly for the trade.
It was not an awful trade for them, it was a decent return given the contract. But, damn this is where the sports media is very tough to take.
Ironically, from an analytics standpoint, the trade is really bad. They gave up a ton of future draft capital to get Wentz and are trading him for a very small return. They gave up two 1st round picks and 5 picks in total.
Basically, they received a draft pick in two separate years for him. A 3rd and a 2nd or 1st. They still have to eat the dead cap space, whether they would have traded him or cut him, and that dead cap is the most in NFL history. Those two picks will do little to repair a roster that has to be stripped due to the cap.
By almost all metrics - it is a really bad trade, and those softshoeing it should put their Giants hats on and ask how they truly would judge the team for making a similar trade.
Hell, Gettleman took shit for two years regarding the Beckham trade and it returned a heck of a lot more than this move.
Re: "Gettleman took shit for two years regarding the Beckham trade and it returned a heck of a lot more than this move." I agree.
I personally liked the Beckham trade right from the start and it looks even better with time. And if Ximines ever stays healthy and contributes, even better.
Re: "Gettleman took shit for two years regarding the Beckham trade and it returned a heck of a lot more than this move." I agree.
I personally liked the Beckham trade right from the start and it looks even better with time. And if Ximines ever stays healthy and contributes, even better.
I also liked the trade from the start, but is there anything we can do to stop FMiC from saying Heck? Asking for a friend.
What the Eagles paid to go draft Wentz is one thing and
and what they decided to pay him on a second contract is another. And right, wrong or indifferent, once they decided Wentz was not in their future plans the dead space is what they knew they had to absorb no matter what. While I would not probably have traded Wentz, all these poor prior decisions can be looked at independent of suggesting the Eagles did a good job of unloading him with their transaction yesterday.
Being able to shed the large future obligations under the contract, still receive some additional draft capital for Wentz who was coming off an awful 2020 performance by most measures, and do so with only one reportedly interested buyer is a reasonably good outcome.
The Wentz deals taken as a whole are not good, but this piece yesterday could have been far worse.
And the only thing that this has to do with the Giants is that hopefully they see the ramifications of making a mistake with a QB and they act cautiously with their own in the future.
the Eagles got the best out of a sunken cost that they could have given the situation. With that said, I think the Eagles fans are outraged and the local media (the beats that I follow on Twitter) seem to say whatever you want to say about the return, the fact that they had to trade Wentz after putting all those assets into it represents a huge organizational failure. I guess my point is that I am not sure the Eagles front office has escaped the blame and gotten significantly better treatment from the locals (national yes) than our front office in some of our recent big moves (LW, OBJ, etc).
any QB under 30 that has been productive will have a market and moving them regardless of contract is likely easier than we think. He'd have a huge market as a FA, and I actually think the money would be similar - look what Rivers got on a 1 year deal. Bridgewater is up to $17m this year. Alex Smith over $20m as is Carr, Brees, Brissett ($21m cap hit in 2020 for an absolute JAG). You get the point.
Re: "Gettleman took shit for two years regarding the Beckham trade and it returned a heck of a lot more than this move." I agree.
I personally liked the Beckham trade right from the start and it looks even better with time. And if Ximines ever stays healthy and contributes, even better.
I also liked the trade from the start, but is there anything we can do to stop FMiC from saying Heck? Asking for a friend.
If you don't watch it old man, I'm going to break out the blue material!!!!
Re: "Gettleman took shit for two years regarding the Beckham trade and it returned a heck of a lot more than this move." I agree.
I personally liked the Beckham trade right from the start and it looks even better with time. And if Ximines ever stays healthy and contributes, even better.
I also liked the trade from the start, but is there anything we can do to stop FMiC from saying Heck? Asking for a friend.
If you don't watch it old man, I'm going to break out the blue material!!!!
Any chance we can purge the Eli/Jones comparisons from this thread, which is meant to be about Wentz? I don't think I'm alone when I say it just gets so bloody tedious the way a thread gets hijacked once again.
RE: RE: Hearing the analytics media praise the Eagles for this trade..
This is where I get annoyed with the hypocrisy. The NFL Ringer show is praising Philly for the trade.
It was not an awful trade for them, it was a decent return given the contract. But, damn this is where the sports media is very tough to take.
Ironically, from an analytics standpoint, the trade is really bad. They gave up a ton of future draft capital to get Wentz and are trading him for a very small return. They gave up two 1st round picks and 5 picks in total.
Basically, they received a draft pick in two separate years for him. A 3rd and a 2nd or 1st. They still have to eat the dead cap space, whether they would have traded him or cut him, and that dead cap is the most in NFL history. Those two picks will do little to repair a roster that has to be stripped due to the cap.
By almost all metrics - it is a really bad trade, and those softshoeing it should put their Giants hats on and ask how they truly would judge the team for making a similar trade.
Hell, Gettleman took shit for two years regarding the Beckham trade and it returned a heck of a lot more than this move.
That's not really an analytics viewpoint. It's really just valuation 101 - they bought high and sold low AND it cost them a boatload of money on top of the sharp drop in draft capital. There's no advanced analytics required to tell you that's a bad outcome.
That said, one of the things that a nuanced analysis might provide some insight for is how much benefit the Eagles derived while Wentz (in asset terms) was depreciating. For example, the Giants gave up what was considered at the time a king's ransom for Eli, and then they received NOTHING in return when he retired. If you're looking solely at the draft picks given/received, you could make a very basic (and very dumb) argument that the Giants lost that trade because they got nothing at the end of Eli's tenure but had to spend a lot at the start.
But we know they got 15 years of steady, good/great QB play, two SB championships, and one of the franchise's all-time great players and people for that trade. They didn't have to get anything in return at the end of his career for that trade to be considered a huge success.
So, with Wentz, how much did the Eagles get in value during Wentz's tenure, and does that offset the steep drop in draft capital value that they suffered from point A to point B? Here's where it gets tricky, IMO. I think if Wentz had remained healthy in 2017 and been the QB for their SB victory, it would be hard to call the full transactional cycle a loss for them. But he wasn't the QB for that SB, so I don't know how much less credit to assign to Wentz - I think it's fair to say they probably wouldn't have been in the SB without Wentz that season, so he does deserve some credit there.
What really makes the Eagles look bad here is that this deal is coming right on the heels of the Stafford trade, and with a potential Watson trade looming. We're seeing QBs return significant hauls. Wentz, meanwhile, was traded for very little compared to Stafford (and what we can logically assume a trade for Watson would require). In a sense, Wentz was traded for a package that is closer in value to what the Dolphins gave up for a busted Josh Rosen than it is to what the bona fide franchise QBs are going for.
This is where it becomes self-defining, IMO: the Eagles knew they'd be getting pennies on the dollar to trade Wentz this offseason. They could have tried to repair his value and pay down his contract for another season (to reduce the dead money commitment) and then traded him next year if things didn't go especially well. That would have been the reasonable move. And the fact that they still wound up trading him despite how low his value is currently tells me that, in their eyes, he's even worse than that.
They made what appears to be a calculated decision to take their medicine this year with a massive dead money hit and just get a rebuild underway. I suppose there's something faintly admirable about that, but I think there has to be more to it. The only way that it wouldn't make sense to try to rebuild Wentz's value for another year is that there is something potentially toxic about having him on the roster in 2021. Maybe the concern that he'd block Hurts from developing, or the risk that he'd look just as bad or worse this year as he did last year and then his value drops even more.
Personally, I don't see any way to praise the Eagles for this other than to say that there is a possibility that this could end up being the most that they'd have gotten for him now or in the future, and if that's the case, they're better off for acting now rather than waiting. And if that is how it plays out, then it's not this trade that they should be criticized for; it's the trade they made to acquire him in the first place that would be problematic.
return is all that the Eagles were going to get. League opinion on Wentz has soured based on injuries and the fact that he basically shut out his coach and some teammates in Philly. You don't just automatically get a king's ransom for a guy who was once a great QB....if the times have changed and his performance has severely diminished, and that coupled with injury history and weird ending in Philly....I think they did OK to get what they could for the guy. It's not like some other team offered them something better and they turned it down. They made calls, and got the best deal...what's done is done. I just think Wentz isn't that highly regarded anymore, plus his contract is fucking massive.
probably overpaid for Stafford, but it was clear a lot of teams were in on him and offering a first round pick plus more. This is one of those things where it seems league opinion on Stafford and what he has left in the tank is significantly higher than a Wentz reclamation project.
probably overpaid for Stafford, but it was clear a lot of teams were in on him and offering a first round pick plus more. This is one of those things where it seems league opinion on Stafford and what he has left in the tank is significantly higher than a Wentz reclamation project.
Again, the Rams paid more for Stafford because of Goff. One of these days you're going to acknowledge that.
I If he was a disaster, which he's not...they'd obviously move along.
Evaluating someone who's been an overt disaster is easy, and a luxury that you don't always have. Jones is not a Ryan Leaf-level disaster, and if he were the decision wouldn't even be a decision -- it would be made for you.
Making a decision based on something less overt is the hard part, and being able to make the right decision under those conditions more often than not is what separates the very well run teams from the rest of the pack.
Also, side note, but man DRC was so much better on the Giants than on the Eagles.
I thought Eli was going to be an elite QB in 04/05. A top five QB, MVP contender. He never quite developed into that. I don't see that in Jones. I see a guy who might be able to develop into a borderline top 12 guy in his best years, and probably an average guy. I frankly don't have a lot of conviction in my view yet and need another year of data.
But I'm not willing to give Jones year four if we get a mediocre performance from him next year. And I dread seeing the team talk itself into another year of Jones simply because he delivers a better performance than 2020.
Shockey and Barber were easy completions, Jones had nothing easy.
I definitely think the surrounding team is a factor. The questions I ask myself (and I'm curious on others views as well) are: 1. Do you think Jones can be a top ten QB? 2. How confident are you in that opinion?
For me, I think it's a low probably on #1. On #2, I'm not that confident in that view yet and want another year - hopefully with better weapons.
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Using comparisons to Eli Manning is not particularly unfair but seems a bit dangerous knowing what he soon hereafter accomplishes. But moreso, its just not necessary.
Everyone was happy Gallman “hit the hole hard” and “got the tough 3 yards”. Well how did that work out?
Gallman is an ok backup, should never see more than 5-7 touches per game unless it’s a blowout. Was severely missed Barkley and his big play ability.
Right now, I have no idea. His running is a major plus. I’d like to see them run more of the options. He can make that work.
I’d like to see them improve the OL, get some WRs. We need 2 WRs.
I was optimistic after year one as well. I did go back and re-watch his best games from 2019 and saw some of the bad signs that manifested themselves in 2020. I'm not QB guru, though, so hoping to be wrong.
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Drop the head to head comparison. How did they measure up with the NFL?
Eli was #31 in completion % In 05
Jones was #31 in completion % in 20
Eli was #20 in INT %
Jones was #18 in INT %
Eli was #23 in QB rating
Jones was #21 in QB rating
Giants rushing offense was #6 in NFL in 2005
In 2020, NYG rush offense was #19
Eli had the run game and better receiving talent. Tiki had 2300+ scrimmage yards. Plax, Toomer, & Shockley at his best.
Jones had....nothing. He had a terrible year but he looked good in year 1. We should give him more time. Get some WRs and fix the OL.
That's pretty fair.
+2. Excellent post.
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That said, the Eagles are doing the right thing in not chasing the sunk cost. Acknowledge it's over and move on.
But man did they fuck up paying him.
He earned it by his play over a 3 year period. He had a bad year- it happens and in a year or two, that contract will be reasonable for a starting qb. Hell, for all the hand wringing about his contract, his cap hit this season is $25 million and Sporttrac lists the average annual value of his contract as 8th. What do you think these guys get paid?
The Eagles did the same thing we did when the owners panicked after Manning had a bad year, shit-canned the offense that made him a star and saddled him with Aaron Rodgers' coffee go for.
The Eagles won the title without him. As someone (me) once said, we saw how vital he wasn't. Wayback machine is fun - ( New Window )
When you get under the hood with Wentz, he did some very good work before this season's debacle. So I understood/understand why the Eagles made the big investment. My concern was always Wentz's durability, not is ability.
After this year, I think both are in play as concerns. But he's reconnecting with Reich, so it's about as ideal as it can be for the reboot.
Yeah, Wentz helped get that team to the postseason. Perfectly fair. Also probably fair to say many QBs could have succeeded under those circumstances.
Ultimately, the eagles paid Carson Wentz a mega contract for 1 good regular season.
He made ONE postseason start for Philadelphia.
I believe the Eagles do think highly of him and won’t draft a qb high in the draft.
Eli was #31 in completion % In 05
Jones was #31 in completion % in 20
Eli was #20 in INT %
Jones was #18 in INT %
Eli was #23 in QB rating
Jones was #21 in QB rating
Giants rushing offense was #6 in NFL in 2005
In 2020, NYG rush offense was #19
Eli had the run game and better receiving talent. Tiki had 2300+ scrimmage yards. Plax, Toomer, & Shockley at his best.
Jones had....nothing. He had a terrible year but he looked good in year 1. We should give him more time. Get some WRs and fix the OL.
Great post!
Well, they do have Hurts, though I'm no big fan of his.
Yeah, Wentz helped get that team to the postseason. Perfectly fair. Also probably fair to say many QBs could have succeeded under those circumstances.
Ultimately, the eagles paid Carson Wentz a mega contract for 1 good regular season.
He made ONE postseason start for Philadelphia.
Right. He got the concussion very early in that game last year.
But winning, basically, the four playoff games in December to get there was pretty remarkable.
I hope he goes to the Colts and lights it up. They are a good situation for him.
I hope he goes to the Colts and lights it up. They are a good situation for him.
The divorce had to happen, but I think you may be right. If Reich can re-program Wentz, the Colts will be in the hunt.
If I were and Eagles fan I really wouldn’t care either way. They got a ring out of it (even if he didn’t win it) and I would hope that the locker room BS gets cleaned up (whosever fault it was) and they move on in a positive direction. As a Giants fan I hope they rot, haha.
I hope he goes to the Colts and lights it up. They are a good situation for him.
I agree. This is a good day for the rest of the division imo. Wentz’s upside is far greater than Hurts imo.
Is that really what has been leaking out about Wentz, or was this more of the coaches/owner losing faith in his abilities?
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"Not that I blame Philly, but it is astounding the leeway BBI shows for other teams while crushing NYG's every move."
spot on.
oh jeez stop being so sensitive..
Who’s sensitive I couldn’t care less. I don’t even blame Philly for dealing wentz. I just think it’s weird that some people are propping up Philly.
This is one weird 4-5 year run for them. I don’t have a dog in this race at all. Wentz could wash out in a year for all I care. I just want Philly to suck. This chain of events certainly doesn’t help their cause but like Robbie and myself posted earlier it does make some sense with new staff in place. It’s just weird, very weird. And pederson is still fired lol. Yes. Weird.
Thank you everyone.
And Reich sits him down, despite the game result hanging in the balance, cuz he wants to check out his 3rd string laggard.
And Philly gets the 2, only.
Waaaaahhh!!!
It was not an awful trade for them, it was a decent return given the contract. But, damn this is where the sports media is very tough to take.
It was not an awful trade for them, it was a decent return given the contract. But, damn this is where the sports media is very tough to take.
Ironically, from an analytics standpoint, the trade is really bad. They gave up a ton of future draft capital to get Wentz and are trading him for a very small return. They gave up two 1st round picks and 5 picks in total.
Basically, they received a draft pick in two separate years for him. A 3rd and a 2nd or 1st. They still have to eat the dead cap space, whether they would have traded him or cut him, and that dead cap is the most in NFL history. Those two picks will do little to repair a roster that has to be stripped due to the cap.
By almost all metrics - it is a really bad trade, and those softshoeing it should put their Giants hats on and ask how they truly would judge the team for making a similar trade.
Hell, Gettleman took shit for two years regarding the Beckham trade and it returned a heck of a lot more than this move.
I personally liked the Beckham trade right from the start and it looks even better with time. And if Ximines ever stays healthy and contributes, even better.
I personally liked the Beckham trade right from the start and it looks even better with time. And if Ximines ever stays healthy and contributes, even better.
I also liked the trade from the start, but is there anything we can do to stop FMiC from saying Heck? Asking for a friend.
Being able to shed the large future obligations under the contract, still receive some additional draft capital for Wentz who was coming off an awful 2020 performance by most measures, and do so with only one reportedly interested buyer is a reasonably good outcome.
The Wentz deals taken as a whole are not good, but this piece yesterday could have been far worse.
And the only thing that this has to do with the Giants is that hopefully they see the ramifications of making a mistake with a QB and they act cautiously with their own in the future.
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and probably was the best offensive line of the past 10 years in the NFL.
Yeah, Wentz helped get that team to the postseason. Perfectly fair. Also probably fair to say many QBs could have succeeded under those circumstances.
Ultimately, the eagles paid Carson Wentz a mega contract for 1 good regular season.
He made ONE postseason start for Philadelphia.
Right. He got the concussion very early in that game last year.
But winning, basically, the four playoff games in December to get there was pretty remarkable.
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Re: "Gettleman took shit for two years regarding the Beckham trade and it returned a heck of a lot more than this move." I agree.
I personally liked the Beckham trade right from the start and it looks even better with time. And if Ximines ever stays healthy and contributes, even better.
I also liked the trade from the start, but is there anything we can do to stop FMiC from saying Heck? Asking for a friend.
If you don't watch it old man, I'm going to break out the blue material!!!!
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Re: "Gettleman took shit for two years regarding the Beckham trade and it returned a heck of a lot more than this move." I agree.
I personally liked the Beckham trade right from the start and it looks even better with time. And if Ximines ever stays healthy and contributes, even better.
I also liked the trade from the start, but is there anything we can do to stop FMiC from saying Heck? Asking for a friend.
If you don't watch it old man, I'm going to break out the blue material!!!!
Murderer!
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This is where I get annoyed with the hypocrisy. The NFL Ringer show is praising Philly for the trade.
It was not an awful trade for them, it was a decent return given the contract. But, damn this is where the sports media is very tough to take.
Ironically, from an analytics standpoint, the trade is really bad. They gave up a ton of future draft capital to get Wentz and are trading him for a very small return. They gave up two 1st round picks and 5 picks in total.
Basically, they received a draft pick in two separate years for him. A 3rd and a 2nd or 1st. They still have to eat the dead cap space, whether they would have traded him or cut him, and that dead cap is the most in NFL history. Those two picks will do little to repair a roster that has to be stripped due to the cap.
By almost all metrics - it is a really bad trade, and those softshoeing it should put their Giants hats on and ask how they truly would judge the team for making a similar trade.
Hell, Gettleman took shit for two years regarding the Beckham trade and it returned a heck of a lot more than this move.
That's not really an analytics viewpoint. It's really just valuation 101 - they bought high and sold low AND it cost them a boatload of money on top of the sharp drop in draft capital. There's no advanced analytics required to tell you that's a bad outcome.
That said, one of the things that a nuanced analysis might provide some insight for is how much benefit the Eagles derived while Wentz (in asset terms) was depreciating. For example, the Giants gave up what was considered at the time a king's ransom for Eli, and then they received NOTHING in return when he retired. If you're looking solely at the draft picks given/received, you could make a very basic (and very dumb) argument that the Giants lost that trade because they got nothing at the end of Eli's tenure but had to spend a lot at the start.
But we know they got 15 years of steady, good/great QB play, two SB championships, and one of the franchise's all-time great players and people for that trade. They didn't have to get anything in return at the end of his career for that trade to be considered a huge success.
So, with Wentz, how much did the Eagles get in value during Wentz's tenure, and does that offset the steep drop in draft capital value that they suffered from point A to point B? Here's where it gets tricky, IMO. I think if Wentz had remained healthy in 2017 and been the QB for their SB victory, it would be hard to call the full transactional cycle a loss for them. But he wasn't the QB for that SB, so I don't know how much less credit to assign to Wentz - I think it's fair to say they probably wouldn't have been in the SB without Wentz that season, so he does deserve some credit there.
What really makes the Eagles look bad here is that this deal is coming right on the heels of the Stafford trade, and with a potential Watson trade looming. We're seeing QBs return significant hauls. Wentz, meanwhile, was traded for very little compared to Stafford (and what we can logically assume a trade for Watson would require). In a sense, Wentz was traded for a package that is closer in value to what the Dolphins gave up for a busted Josh Rosen than it is to what the bona fide franchise QBs are going for.
This is where it becomes self-defining, IMO: the Eagles knew they'd be getting pennies on the dollar to trade Wentz this offseason. They could have tried to repair his value and pay down his contract for another season (to reduce the dead money commitment) and then traded him next year if things didn't go especially well. That would have been the reasonable move. And the fact that they still wound up trading him despite how low his value is currently tells me that, in their eyes, he's even worse than that.
They made what appears to be a calculated decision to take their medicine this year with a massive dead money hit and just get a rebuild underway. I suppose there's something faintly admirable about that, but I think there has to be more to it. The only way that it wouldn't make sense to try to rebuild Wentz's value for another year is that there is something potentially toxic about having him on the roster in 2021. Maybe the concern that he'd block Hurts from developing, or the risk that he'd look just as bad or worse this year as he did last year and then his value drops even more.
Personally, I don't see any way to praise the Eagles for this other than to say that there is a possibility that this could end up being the most that they'd have gotten for him now or in the future, and if that's the case, they're better off for acting now rather than waiting. And if that is how it plays out, then it's not this trade that they should be criticized for; it's the trade they made to acquire him in the first place that would be problematic.
I hope he goes to the Colts and lights it up. They are a good situation for him.
Again, the Rams paid more for Stafford because of Goff. One of these days you're going to acknowledge that.
I second that on GD. That was a good read.
Evaluating someone who's been an overt disaster is easy, and a luxury that you don't always have. Jones is not a Ryan Leaf-level disaster, and if he were the decision wouldn't even be a decision -- it would be made for you.
Making a decision based on something less overt is the hard part, and being able to make the right decision under those conditions more often than not is what separates the very well run teams from the rest of the pack.