Would this be something we could manage with our Cap? Would love to keep our D-line intact and get Daniel a vet WR in free agency. Maybe draft Kyle Pitts for another weapon? Thoughts?
However signing both Dalvin and Williams may not be the best use of resources. You’re more likely to see us sign one of the 2 unless
One of them wants to take a super steep hometown discount.
and possibly Solder. But agree that is prob not our best use of resources. I agree with Trainmaster - pay Williams period. He is essential to our D. The only way I brng back DT is on a 1-2 year deal (which he might consider only because of hope for a higher cap in future years). With Big Dex on board and coming up for a big payday in 2-3 years, you cant give L-T contracts to LW and DT. I would be shocked if they did.
letting Zeitler go is who do you replace him with? The only logical answer is to move Hernandez or Lemieux to the right. I'm not sure Hernandez is well thought of by these coaches.
Zeitler should be restructured and possibly extended...
Since he has 1 year left on his deal. Therefore, an extension is the course of action you want. Some want him gone but cutting him makes no sense to me. If you want him gone then you trade him. He has value and OL are at a premium. I'm not asking he'll get us a great pick. What I am saying is even if he nets us a 7th then that is better than cutting him. And I don't see how he wouldn't net us at least a 7th if we decided to go down that route.
I just looked, Zeitler is in the last year of his deal
True he is not the pass rusher that Williams is, but he is underrated as a DT and IMO is going to get paid; probably at a level the Giants will not pay both he and Williams
RE: I just looked, Zeitler is in the last year of his deal
True he is not the pass rusher that Williams is, but he is underrated as a DT and IMO is going to get paid; probably at a level the Giants will not pay both he and Williams
I feel like Dexter Lawrence is a natural nose tackle given how huge he is. While I like Tomlinson, I almost want to see us shift Lawrence to NT and sign or draft another pass rushing DE. This assumes we re-sign LW.
He is a young solid DT that will be highly sought after but is a role player and not worth FT numbers. Is he getting 8M 10m 12M more???
Lots of teams out there need DT more than the Giants do. At what price point is it too much.
He is the type of player you want to keep/ sign in FA. But think of it this way, if he didn’t play for the Giants would you be advocating spending big money to sign any DT.
FYI I really want him back but realize it may not be possible. If not brought back then that money better go to a good place.
True he is not the pass rusher that Williams is, but he is underrated as a DT and IMO is going to get paid; probably at a level the Giants will not pay both he and Williams
I feel like Dexter Lawrence is a natural nose tackle given how huge he is. While I like Tomlinson, I almost want to see us shift Lawrence to NT and sign or draft another pass rushing DE. This assumes we re-sign LW.
My exact thoughts as well. Dex is a natural NT and Ive been waiting to see him utilized there. DT is going to go somewhere and be Linval Joseph 2.0 unfortunately, maybe not as good but he is a great guy and underrated player. your right in it just doesn't make sense to tie up a hige amount of resources in the DL when we have huge holes all over the roster. giants will be in the market for either a #1 WR or bringing in a couple of pass catcher weapons to help contribute to this mess of a pass catcher unit.
Williams, DL at NT, Hill wont miss much of a beat. maybe they look for an edge or DE like Rousseau to replace the inevitable loss of one of DT or LW.
Looking at comparables and DJ Reader stands out as a match
D.J. Reader signed a 4 year, $53,000,000 contract with the Cincinnati Bengals, including a $16,250,000 signing bonus, $20,250,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $13,250,000.
This a year old too. So I could see him going for as high as 14M.
remember the Washington football team from back in the day. Year one of a contract can be structured so the player gets the minimum salary in year one of the deal to fit under the cap. It can be done.
remember the Washington football team from back in the day. Year one of a contract can be structured so the player gets the minimum salary in year one of the deal to fit under the cap. It can be done.
Umm have you seen how much cap is left? Its at
$906,453.
How are you ganna fit Leo, tomlinson and fill other holes.
Sure you make a few cuts like Tate and Solder which will be at around 12mill....
Maybe find some other guys and push it to 18ish then sign Leo but still need 7mill for the draft
Ganna be an interesting off-season but i wouldn't expect any new pieces
Maybe they see a guy they like in the draft they think can replace tomlinson in the 2nd or 3rd round
That looks pretty nice list. I wouldn't mind Paye, if they can't get both Leo and Tomlinson then they can fit him there. Dexter at Nose with both Leo and Paye at DE would be a great
Would be a mistake. There’s going to be plenty of WR talent in the draft that can be had across all rounds.
The Giants need to use whatever money they have to lock up the DL and add another piece to the defense if the talent/value is there. Then focus the draft on adding offensive weapons.
Would be a mistake. There’s going to be plenty of WR talent in the draft that can be had across all rounds.
The Giants need to use whatever money they have to lock up the DL and add another piece to the defense if the talent/value is there. Then focus the draft on adding offensive weapons.
This. If this horrible roster actually has a strength, why make it weaker?
Would be a mistake. There’s going to be plenty of WR talent in the draft that can be had across all rounds.
The Giants need to use whatever money they have to lock up the DL and add another piece to the defense if the talent/value is there. Then focus the draft on adding offensive weapons.
I don't think the Giants will sink money into an expensive FA wide receiver, and they shouldn't. I doubt they want to put major cap resources on that position right now — maybe ever. Certainly not while they're so far from competing for a title; none of the available receivers isn't going to move the needle on their record. There are a ton of receiver prospects in the draft who are young, cheap and controllable for several years, including some really good prospects in rounds 3-5. The Giants could get two for a lot less than the cap hit of a single free agent.
This draft is going to be such a crapshoot — if there was ever a year for DG to trade down and get more picks, it's this one. Not only are six picks inadequate to replenish the roster, there's a bigger than normal chance of guys turning out to be very different from projections. It's nuts. Kind of fun, but nuts.
This draft is going to be such a crapshoot — if there was ever a year for DG to trade down and get more picks, it's this one.
Strongly disagree. Trading down makes sense if there's a QB there that someone is desperate for and you can stay top ten or so. But the meat of the draft is usually in the top fifteen and some experts maintain that you're in the second round after that.
And i think that holds here: 4 quarterbacks, Sewell, Patrick Surtain, Farley, Parsons, Pitts, Smith, Chase, Waddle, Paye, Z. Collins, Gregory Rousseau, you can massage and cut and paste but that's the core of the draft. With exceptions generally speaking the fall off is dramatic right after them.
So no, it's not a year to trade down in my opinion.
RE: Zeitler should be restructured and possibly extended...
If he likes being here...and we can save some money.
Williams and Lawrence are special and should be kept. Tomillson is good but replaceable....
Several WRs are needed
Agree with this as well. I like Dalvin but you can get space eaters at less premium price. They most likely already have his replacement on the roster.
The WRs are the worst group in the NFL and need a complete overhaul
That looks pretty nice list. I wouldn't mind Paye, if they can't get both Leo and Tomlinson then they can fit him there. Dexter at Nose with both Leo and Paye at DE would be a great
I'd have Paye as an Edge LBer. He could play some DE snaps in place of Williams, but you wouldn't have both he and Leo at End unless it was 3rd or 4th and long.
The Giants OLine suffered from a few things at different times during the season:
*Gates breaking in at C (he was a liability the first few games and a Pro Bowl level C later IMO)
*Thomas breaking in at LT (liability earlier, steadily grew into a good LT by seasons end)
*Hernandez and Peart getting COVID
*Cam Fleming at RT.
There was good movement inside, Gallman, Freeman & Morris were all getting 4 yards up the gut consistently. Forget cutting Zeitler - if the Giants can get a good RT, and the other 4 picking up where they left off, they can have a very good line this year. These guys have some chemistry. Now we want to replace Zeitler. Focus on improving the RT position - we need our McKenzie.
One of them wants to take a super steep hometown discount.
I think any FA WR is going to be a "#2 WR"; I think that's all the Giants likely can afford, salary cap wise.
The #11 overall pick has to be BPA at a position of need. That could be WR, LB, CB or TE.
Williams and Lawrence are special and should be kept. Tomillson is good but replaceable....
Several WRs are needed
Williams and Lawrence are special and should be kept. Tomillson is good but replaceable....
Several WRs are needed
Agree with everything in this post.
I’d extend him a year or two to get his cap number down. He’s been relatively injury free.
I feel like Dexter Lawrence is a natural nose tackle given how huge he is. While I like Tomlinson, I almost want to see us shift Lawrence to NT and sign or draft another pass rushing DE. This assumes we re-sign LW.
Lots of teams out there need DT more than the Giants do. At what price point is it too much.
He is the type of player you want to keep/ sign in FA. But think of it this way, if he didn’t play for the Giants would you be advocating spending big money to sign any DT.
FYI I really want him back but realize it may not be possible. If not brought back then that money better go to a good place.
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True he is not the pass rusher that Williams is, but he is underrated as a DT and IMO is going to get paid; probably at a level the Giants will not pay both he and Williams
I feel like Dexter Lawrence is a natural nose tackle given how huge he is. While I like Tomlinson, I almost want to see us shift Lawrence to NT and sign or draft another pass rushing DE. This assumes we re-sign LW.
My exact thoughts as well. Dex is a natural NT and Ive been waiting to see him utilized there. DT is going to go somewhere and be Linval Joseph 2.0 unfortunately, maybe not as good but he is a great guy and underrated player. your right in it just doesn't make sense to tie up a hige amount of resources in the DL when we have huge holes all over the roster. giants will be in the market for either a #1 WR or bringing in a couple of pass catcher weapons to help contribute to this mess of a pass catcher unit.
Williams, DL at NT, Hill wont miss much of a beat. maybe they look for an edge or DE like Rousseau to replace the inevitable loss of one of DT or LW.
This a year old too. So I could see him going for as high as 14M.
I think any FA WR is going to be a "#2 WR"; I think that's all the Giants likely can afford, salary cap wise.
The #11 overall pick has to be BPA at a position of need. That could be WR, LB, CB or TE.
TE would he a mistake. By LB I'm sure you meant edge, which I would agree with, but Parsons, while not an edge guy, would also be a good pick.
I would stack them:
Chase
D. Smith
Paye/Parsons
Surtain/Slater
Waddle
Umm have you seen how much cap is left? Its at
$906,453.
How are you ganna fit Leo, tomlinson and fill other holes.
Sure you make a few cuts like Tate and Solder which will be at around 12mill....
Maybe find some other guys and push it to 18ish then sign Leo but still need 7mill for the draft
Ganna be an interesting off-season but i wouldn't expect any new pieces
Maybe they see a guy they like in the draft they think can replace tomlinson in the 2nd or 3rd round
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I would stack them:
Chase
D. Smith
Paye/Parsons
Surtain/Slater
Waddle
That looks pretty nice list. I wouldn't mind Paye, if they can't get both Leo and Tomlinson then they can fit him there. Dexter at Nose with both Leo and Paye at DE would be a great
The Giants need to use whatever money they have to lock up the DL and add another piece to the defense if the talent/value is there. Then focus the draft on adding offensive weapons.
The Giants need to use whatever money they have to lock up the DL and add another piece to the defense if the talent/value is there. Then focus the draft on adding offensive weapons.
This. If this horrible roster actually has a strength, why make it weaker?
The Giants need to use whatever money they have to lock up the DL and add another piece to the defense if the talent/value is there. Then focus the draft on adding offensive weapons.
This draft is going to be such a crapshoot — if there was ever a year for DG to trade down and get more picks, it's this one. Not only are six picks inadequate to replenish the roster, there's a bigger than normal chance of guys turning out to be very different from projections. It's nuts. Kind of fun, but nuts.
Strongly disagree. Trading down makes sense if there's a QB there that someone is desperate for and you can stay top ten or so. But the meat of the draft is usually in the top fifteen and some experts maintain that you're in the second round after that.
And i think that holds here: 4 quarterbacks, Sewell, Patrick Surtain, Farley, Parsons, Pitts, Smith, Chase, Waddle, Paye, Z. Collins, Gregory Rousseau, you can massage and cut and paste but that's the core of the draft. With exceptions generally speaking the fall off is dramatic right after them.
So no, it's not a year to trade down in my opinion.
Williams and Lawrence are special and should be kept. Tomillson is good but replaceable....
Several WRs are needed
Agree with this as well. I like Dalvin but you can get space eaters at less premium price. They most likely already have his replacement on the roster.
The WRs are the worst group in the NFL and need a complete overhaul
Sad isn't it? The fact that we are almost forced to keep an overpaid JAG like Zeitler around because the OL isn't ready by now says a lot.
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In comment 15156701 Trainmaster said:
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I would stack them:
Chase
D. Smith
Paye/Parsons
Surtain/Slater
Waddle
That looks pretty nice list. I wouldn't mind Paye, if they can't get both Leo and Tomlinson then they can fit him there. Dexter at Nose with both Leo and Paye at DE would be a great
I'd have Paye as an Edge LBer. He could play some DE snaps in place of Williams, but you wouldn't have both he and Leo at End unless it was 3rd or 4th and long.
*Gates breaking in at C (he was a liability the first few games and a Pro Bowl level C later IMO)
*Thomas breaking in at LT (liability earlier, steadily grew into a good LT by seasons end)
*Hernandez and Peart getting COVID
*Cam Fleming at RT.
There was good movement inside, Gallman, Freeman & Morris were all getting 4 yards up the gut consistently. Forget cutting Zeitler - if the Giants can get a good RT, and the other 4 picking up where they left off, they can have a very good line this year. These guys have some chemistry. Now we want to replace Zeitler. Focus on improving the RT position - we need our McKenzie.