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Realistic to Resign Dalvon and Leonard and FA Wr

Thinblueline : 2/18/2021 5:55 pm
Would this be something we could manage with our Cap? Would love to keep our D-line intact and get Daniel a vet WR in free agency. Maybe draft Kyle Pitts for another weapon? Thoughts?
It’s possible.  
Straw Hat : 2/18/2021 6:20 pm : link
However signing both Dalvin and Williams may not be the best use of resources. You’re more likely to see us sign one of the 2 unless
One of them wants to take a super steep hometown discount.
I'm Fine  
Trainmaster : 2/18/2021 6:28 pm : link
Paying Williams almost whatever he is asking. I'd like to resign Tomlinson too, but it needs to be an "affordable price".

I think any FA WR is going to be a "#2 WR"; I think that's all the Giants likely can afford, salary cap wise.

The #11 overall pick has to be BPA at a position of need. That could be WR, LB, CB or TE.

I think we could do it, if we cut Zeitler and Tate  
BigBlueNH : 2/18/2021 6:38 pm : link
and possibly Solder. But agree that is prob not our best use of resources. I agree with Trainmaster - pay Williams period. He is essential to our D. The only way I brng back DT is on a 1-2 year deal (which he might consider only because of hope for a higher cap in future years). With Big Dex on board and coming up for a big payday in 2-3 years, you cant give L-T contracts to LW and DT. I would be shocked if they did.
cutting Zietler is not a good move  
gtt350 : 2/18/2021 6:45 pm : link
they should extend him
The problem with  
Gman11 : 2/18/2021 6:57 pm : link
letting Zeitler go is who do you replace him with? The only logical answer is to move Hernandez or Lemieux to the right. I'm not sure Hernandez is well thought of by these coaches.
Zeitler should be restructured and possibly extended...  
George from PA : 2/18/2021 7:15 pm : link
If he likes being here...and we can save some money.

Williams and Lawrence are special and should be kept. Tomillson is good but replaceable....

Several WRs are needed
RE: Zeitler should be restructured and possibly extended...  
eric2425ny : 2/18/2021 7:48 pm : link
In comment 15156725 George from PA said:
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If he likes being here...and we can save some money.

Williams and Lawrence are special and should be kept. Tomillson is good but replaceable....

Several WRs are needed


Agree with everything in this post.
Restructuring does nothing for Zeitler, I believe,  
robbieballs2003 : 2/18/2021 7:53 pm : link
Since he has 1 year left on his deal. Therefore, an extension is the course of action you want. Some want him gone but cutting him makes no sense to me. If you want him gone then you trade him. He has value and OL are at a premium. I'm not asking he'll get us a great pick. What I am saying is even if he nets us a 7th then that is better than cutting him. And I don't see how he wouldn't net us at least a 7th if we decided to go down that route.
I just looked, Zeitler is in the last year of his deal  
robbieballs2003 : 2/18/2021 7:57 pm : link
So a restructure is not an option. A pay cut is but that is a different option.
I think you might underrate Tomillson  
Beer Man : 2/18/2021 7:59 pm : link
True he is not the pass rusher that Williams is, but he is underrated as a DT and IMO is going to get paid; probably at a level the Giants will not pay both he and Williams
RE: I just looked, Zeitler is in the last year of his deal  
eric2425ny : 2/18/2021 8:13 pm : link
In comment 15156760 robbieballs2003 said:
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So a restructure is not an option. A pay cut is but that is a different option.


I’d extend him a year or two to get his cap number down. He’s been relatively injury free.
RE: I think you might underrate Tomillson  
eric2425ny : 2/18/2021 8:16 pm : link
In comment 15156763 Beer Man said:
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True he is not the pass rusher that Williams is, but he is underrated as a DT and IMO is going to get paid; probably at a level the Giants will not pay both he and Williams


I feel like Dexter Lawrence is a natural nose tackle given how huge he is. While I like Tomlinson, I almost want to see us shift Lawrence to NT and sign or draft another pass rushing DE. This assumes we re-sign LW.
I would be shocked  
SleepyOwl : 2/18/2021 8:19 pm : link
if the Giants let Tomlinson walk.
Hard to know what the market for Tomlinson will be  
rasbutant : 2/18/2021 8:23 pm : link
He is a young solid DT that will be highly sought after but is a role player and not worth FT numbers. Is he getting 8M 10m 12M more???

Lots of teams out there need DT more than the Giants do. At what price point is it too much.

He is the type of player you want to keep/ sign in FA. But think of it this way, if he didn’t play for the Giants would you be advocating spending big money to sign any DT.

FYI I really want him back but realize it may not be possible. If not brought back then that money better go to a good place.
RE: RE: I think you might underrate Tomillson  
beatrixkiddo : 2/18/2021 8:24 pm : link
In comment 15156771 eric2425ny said:
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In comment 15156763 Beer Man said:


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True he is not the pass rusher that Williams is, but he is underrated as a DT and IMO is going to get paid; probably at a level the Giants will not pay both he and Williams



I feel like Dexter Lawrence is a natural nose tackle given how huge he is. While I like Tomlinson, I almost want to see us shift Lawrence to NT and sign or draft another pass rushing DE. This assumes we re-sign LW.


My exact thoughts as well. Dex is a natural NT and Ive been waiting to see him utilized there. DT is going to go somewhere and be Linval Joseph 2.0 unfortunately, maybe not as good but he is a great guy and underrated player. your right in it just doesn't make sense to tie up a hige amount of resources in the DL when we have huge holes all over the roster. giants will be in the market for either a #1 WR or bringing in a couple of pass catcher weapons to help contribute to this mess of a pass catcher unit.

Williams, DL at NT, Hill wont miss much of a beat. maybe they look for an edge or DE like Rousseau to replace the inevitable loss of one of DT or LW.
Looking at comparables and DJ Reader stands out as a match  
rasbutant : 2/18/2021 8:35 pm : link
D.J. Reader signed a 4 year, $53,000,000 contract with the Cincinnati Bengals, including a $16,250,000 signing bonus, $20,250,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $13,250,000.

This a year old too. So I could see him going for as high as 14M.
the Giants could easily sign multiple free agents  
Giantsfan79 : 2/18/2021 8:58 pm : link
remember the Washington football team from back in the day. Year one of a contract can be structured so the player gets the minimum salary in year one of the deal to fit under the cap. It can be done.
RE: I'm Fine  
allstarjim : 2/18/2021 9:29 pm : link
In comment 15156701 Trainmaster said:
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Paying Williams almost whatever he is asking. I'd like to resign Tomlinson too, but it needs to be an "affordable price".

I think any FA WR is going to be a "#2 WR"; I think that's all the Giants likely can afford, salary cap wise.

The #11 overall pick has to be BPA at a position of need. That could be WR, LB, CB or TE.


TE would he a mistake. By LB I'm sure you meant edge, which I would agree with, but Parsons, while not an edge guy, would also be a good pick.

I would stack them:

Chase
D. Smith
Paye/Parsons
Surtain/Slater
Waddle
RE: the Giants could easily sign multiple free agents  
Danny Dimes : 2/18/2021 9:38 pm : link
In comment 15156794 Giantsfan79 said:
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remember the Washington football team from back in the day. Year one of a contract can be structured so the player gets the minimum salary in year one of the deal to fit under the cap. It can be done.



Umm have you seen how much cap is left? Its at
$906,453.
How are you ganna fit Leo, tomlinson and fill other holes.
Sure you make a few cuts like Tate and Solder which will be at around 12mill....
Maybe find some other guys and push it to 18ish then sign Leo but still need 7mill for the draft

Ganna be an interesting off-season but i wouldn't expect any new pieces
Maybe they see a guy they like in the draft they think can replace tomlinson in the 2nd or 3rd round

RE: RE: I'm Fine  
Danny Dimes : 2/18/2021 9:44 pm : link
In comment 15156806 allstarjim said:
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In comment 15156701 Trainmaster said:


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I would stack them:

Chase
D. Smith
Paye/Parsons
Surtain/Slater
Waddle



That looks pretty nice list. I wouldn't mind Paye, if they can't get both Leo and Tomlinson then they can fit him there. Dexter at Nose with both Leo and Paye at DE would be a great
Blowing FA money on a WR  
WillVAB : 2/18/2021 9:50 pm : link
Would be a mistake. There’s going to be plenty of WR talent in the draft that can be had across all rounds.

The Giants need to use whatever money they have to lock up the DL and add another piece to the defense if the talent/value is there. Then focus the draft on adding offensive weapons.
RE: Blowing FA money on a WR  
FStubbs : 2/18/2021 9:59 pm : link
In comment 15156825 WillVAB said:
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Would be a mistake. There’s going to be plenty of WR talent in the draft that can be had across all rounds.

The Giants need to use whatever money they have to lock up the DL and add another piece to the defense if the talent/value is there. Then focus the draft on adding offensive weapons.


This. If this horrible roster actually has a strength, why make it weaker?
RE: Blowing FA money on a WR  
81_Great_Dane : 2/18/2021 11:12 pm : link
In comment 15156825 WillVAB said:
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Would be a mistake. There’s going to be plenty of WR talent in the draft that can be had across all rounds.

The Giants need to use whatever money they have to lock up the DL and add another piece to the defense if the talent/value is there. Then focus the draft on adding offensive weapons.
I don't think the Giants will sink money into an expensive FA wide receiver, and they shouldn't. I doubt they want to put major cap resources on that position right now — maybe ever. Certainly not while they're so far from competing for a title; none of the available receivers isn't going to move the needle on their record. There are a ton of receiver prospects in the draft who are young, cheap and controllable for several years, including some really good prospects in rounds 3-5. The Giants could get two for a lot less than the cap hit of a single free agent.

This draft is going to be such a crapshoot — if there was ever a year for DG to trade down and get more picks, it's this one. Not only are six picks inadequate to replenish the roster, there's a bigger than normal chance of guys turning out to be very different from projections. It's nuts. Kind of fun, but nuts.
I would let Dalvin walk..  
prdave73 : 2/18/2021 11:42 pm : link
Build defense around Leonard & Lawrence..
on trading down  
Grizz99 : 2/19/2021 6:31 am : link
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This draft is going to be such a crapshoot — if there was ever a year for DG to trade down and get more picks, it's this one.

Strongly disagree. Trading down makes sense if there's a QB there that someone is desperate for and you can stay top ten or so. But the meat of the draft is usually in the top fifteen and some experts maintain that you're in the second round after that.
And i think that holds here: 4 quarterbacks, Sewell, Patrick Surtain, Farley, Parsons, Pitts, Smith, Chase, Waddle, Paye, Z. Collins, Gregory Rousseau, you can massage and cut and paste but that's the core of the draft. With exceptions generally speaking the fall off is dramatic right after them.
So no, it's not a year to trade down in my opinion.
RE: Zeitler should be restructured and possibly extended...  
Justlurking : 2/19/2021 7:09 am : link
In comment 15156725 George from PA said:
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If he likes being here...and we can save some money.

Williams and Lawrence are special and should be kept. Tomillson is good but replaceable....

Several WRs are needed


Agree with this as well. I like Dalvin but you can get space eaters at less premium price. They most likely already have his replacement on the roster.

The WRs are the worst group in the NFL and need a complete overhaul
When you have 1 strength  
RetroJint : 2/19/2021 8:36 am : link
1 respected, even feared unit, keep it intact . Pay the money to Williams and Tomlinson . No , you can’t also do a high-cost WR.
Anybody who would keep Zeitler and let  
WillieYoung : 2/19/2021 9:30 am : link
Tomlinson walk didn't watch a game last year.
RE: Anybody who would keep Zeitler and let  
SirLoinOfBeef : 2/19/2021 9:51 am : link
In comment 15157016 WillieYoung said:
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Tomlinson walk didn't watch a game last year.


Sad isn't it? The fact that we are almost forced to keep an overpaid JAG like Zeitler around because the OL isn't ready by now says a lot.
RE: RE: RE: I'm Fine  
allstarjim : 2/19/2021 8:29 pm : link
In comment 15156821 Danny Dimes said:
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In comment 15156806 allstarjim said:


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In comment 15156701 Trainmaster said:


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I would stack them:

Chase
D. Smith
Paye/Parsons
Surtain/Slater
Waddle




That looks pretty nice list. I wouldn't mind Paye, if they can't get both Leo and Tomlinson then they can fit him there. Dexter at Nose with both Leo and Paye at DE would be a great


I'd have Paye as an Edge LBer. He could play some DE snaps in place of Williams, but you wouldn't have both he and Leo at End unless it was 3rd or 4th and long.
This Zeitler stuff is out of control.  
mittenedman : 2/19/2021 9:10 pm : link
The Giants OLine suffered from a few things at different times during the season:

*Gates breaking in at C (he was a liability the first few games and a Pro Bowl level C later IMO)

*Thomas breaking in at LT (liability earlier, steadily grew into a good LT by seasons end)

*Hernandez and Peart getting COVID

*Cam Fleming at RT.

There was good movement inside, Gallman, Freeman & Morris were all getting 4 yards up the gut consistently. Forget cutting Zeitler - if the Giants can get a good RT, and the other 4 picking up where they left off, they can have a very good line this year. These guys have some chemistry. Now we want to replace Zeitler. Focus on improving the RT position - we need our McKenzie.
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