NFT: Mets sign Walker

we're not X number of games back in late June and our rotation isn't desperate for Thor.

not berg

mmmmm. burg er

year last year. My guess is all pitchers will be on counts and monitored in 21.

In comment 15157202 ZGiants98 said:

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year last year. My guess is all pitchers will be on counts and monitored in 21.

Major league fearmongerers.

Sandy is crushing it.

Lost in all these acquisitions is the Mets still haven't forfeited any of their draft picks yet.

I think that was part of the plan as to why not sign a top tier FA.

Fans need to take that into consideration

science because it doesn't back up your talking point.

And sure, Syndergaard will have a managed workload, but it should be fluid and based on how he responds to each start, not arbitrary.

And yes, every pitcher has an expected workload, otherwise why pull a pitcher as they approach 100 pitches as a rule of thumb, so don't be pedantic.

but back to science since it's not really an "argument" it's the only emotionless fact we have.

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... Results: Overall, 154 pitchers were included. Of these, 135 pitchers did not require revision UCLR while 19 underwent revision UCLR. No significant difference existed between pitchers who underwent revision UCLR and those who did not when comparing number of innings pitched in the season after UCLR (79.4 ± 46.7 vs 90.1 ± 58.6; P = .9016), number of pitches thrown in the season after UCLR (1233.2 ± 710.4 vs 1449.2 ± 904.1; P = .7337), number of innings pitched in the pitcher’s career after UCLR (357.4 ± 312.0 vs 399.3 ± 446.4; P = .6945), and number of pitches thrown in the pitcher’s career after UCLR (5632.7 ± 4583.9 vs 5674.7 ± 5755.4; P = .4789), respectively. Furthermore, no difference existed in revision rate between pitchers who pitched more or less than 180 innings in the first full season after UCLR (P = .6678). Conclusion: The number of innings pitched and number of pitches thrown in the first full season as well as over a player’s career after UCLR are not associated with an increased risk of a pitcher requiring revision UCLR....

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would give up a ton for Suarez. I think that’s the final type of move you make when you’re “one player away”. Davis, Mauricio, and another top 5-10 prospect.

I think that makes us a 100 game winner and we’d STILL be close to the tax.

In comment 15157242 ZGiants98 said:

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would give up a ton for Suarez. I think that’s the final type of move you make when you’re “one player away”. Davis, Mauricio, and another top 5-10 prospect. I think that makes us a 100 game winner and we’d STILL be close to the tax.

What about Jose Ramirez? maybe more attainable than Suarez, not as good, but probably better than Davis (though you wouldn't know it from his 2020 fielding #'s).

He will continue to improve in the field and he is an integral member of a young team that grown up together and has learned together the past two seasons. Plus having Lindor to his left will really calm him down and give him more confidence.

This team is ready to rock & roll.

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Tough to say whether the #Mets will make another move after signing Walker, but I have been told that they did check in on free-agent relief pitcher Shane Greene recently

The 32-year-old was an All-Star back in 2019 and has posted a combined 2.39 ERA the last 2 yrs

Our opinions don’t matter regarding correlation. His agent will demand some type of innings limit and Mets will work with the agent over the plan. This is where having an extension in place would be helpful actually. Yes one game in June equals a game in September but it does not equal a game in October. Given the roster it behooves the Mets IMO to ensure there is flexibility for Thor to pitch deep into October even if they don’t make it.

That would really round out the pen.

Minor league deal. Mets probably already called them, trying to work out a deal

I wonder if we see something like 2015 where they completely ignored the BP in the offseason and the right before the season swung the deals for Blevins (great!) and Torres (not great!).

I'd imagine there are other teams out there who have been shopping their own versions of Betances/Familia all offseason. Maybe the plan is to just go into ST, see what they have already, and they know there's a fallback where they can add someone expensive off another team's roster pretty cheaply in terms of trade cost?

roster Locks = 4 (Diaz, May, Lugo, Loup)

expensive ?'s = 2 (Familia, Betances) *only reason they aren't locks is because of trade rumors.

young(ish) ?'s = 10 (Gsellman, Castro, Smith, Barnes, Tarpley, McWilliams, Diaz, Kilome, Reid-Foley, Zamora)
*almost all of these guys born between '93-'95

potential SP conversions = 2 (Luchessi, Yamamoto)

With or without Lugo banged up it would have been much better to have someone better than Loup on the "locks" list next to May and Diaz. That was a pretty thin core group before Lugo got hurt, now it's scary.

I do think there's a decent amount of talent in the 10 young ?'s group. Reid-Foley, McWilliams, Diaz are especially intriguing.

But as things stand there's a lot riding on Betances being 100% healthy or Familia finding control. Both very big uncertainties.

Another 20 in non-roster guys with outside shots as well. Viscaino (who just turned 30), Blevins... younger guys like Gilliam and Szapucki... there gonna be plenty of pitchers battling for a spot or two.

That said sign Greene.

is a intriguing possibility. If he could approach the level he was at before injury, would be a bonus

In comment 15157226 pjcas18 said:

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science because it doesn't back up your talking point. And sure, Syndergaard will have a managed workload, but it should be fluid and based on how he responds to each start, not arbitrary. And yes, every pitcher has an expected workload, otherwise why pull a pitcher as they approach 100 pitches as a rule of thumb, so don't be pedantic. but back to science since it's not really an "argument" it's the only emotionless fact we have. Quote: ... Results: Overall, 154 pitchers were included. Of these, 135 pitchers did not require revision UCLR while 19 underwent revision UCLR. No significant difference existed between pitchers who underwent revision UCLR and those who did not when comparing number of innings pitched in the season after UCLR (79.4 ± 46.7 vs 90.1 ± 58.6; P = .9016), number of pitches thrown in the season after UCLR (1233.2 ± 710.4 vs 1449.2 ± 904.1; P = .7337), number of innings pitched in the pitcher’s career after UCLR (357.4 ± 312.0 vs 399.3 ± 446.4; P = .6945), and number of pitches thrown in the pitcher’s career after UCLR (5632.7 ± 4583.9 vs 5674.7 ± 5755.4; P = .4789), respectively. Furthermore, no difference existed in revision rate between pitchers who pitched more or less than 180 innings in the first full season after UCLR (P = .6678). Conclusion: The number of innings pitched and number of pitches thrown in the first full season as well as over a player’s career after UCLR are not associated with an increased risk of a pitcher requiring revision UCLR.... link - ( New Window )

Very interesting science based approach to the question: "Does the number of innings pitched and number of pitches thrown after UCLR will affect whether a pitcher requires a revision UCLR?"

But the question I'd be interested in is: "Does the number of innings pitched and number of pitches thrown after UCLR will affect a pitcher's subsequent multi-year performance?"

they could prove performance is causal with usage or even related to usage because there are too many other variables.

pitchers performances fluctuate too much year over year without introducing TJS to IMO say for sure if workload has impacted the performance. Whose to say it's not simply mechanics?

My point is simply not to set arbitrary innings limits. And I certainly wouldn't let an agent "demand" one as others alluded to.

I'd suggest the medical professionals, the team and the player (and yes his agent) collaborate on the appropriate usage that is in the best interest of the player and the team.

And that's probably what they'll do IMO.

Knowing a couple folks from law school that are agents and let’s just say it’s somewhat sketchy what players will contrive if the team isn’t playing what they view as equitable. Given syndergarden is a free agent it’s of that much more import. So you can say being reasonable and point to whatever studies you want but at the end of the day the player and the agent need to be on board and the reality is that is going to on the conservative side (unless there is an extension in place).

out there for the bullpen.

If you're a guy trying to find a spot at the top of a bullpen, the Mets are not the best option. There is alot of names at the top already.

We are done, I'm good lets get on to ST.

Noah to the 60 day IL for Walker.

Ages. Just thought it was cool how closely these guys are all bunched together in age.

1.). Brandon Nimmo CF. Age 27
2.) Francisco Lindor SS. Age 27
3.) Jeff McNeil 2B. Age 28
4.) Pete Alonso 1B. Age 26
5.) Michael Conforto RF. Age 27
6.) JD Davis 3B. Age 27
7.) Dom Smith LF. Age 25
8.) James McCann Age 30

Crazy that you have to get to our 8th hitter to find a guy over 28

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7.) Dom Smith LF. Age 25

Kind of crazy that a lot of people were writing off Dom 2-3 years ago; when he was only 22-23.

wrote off Smith, only complaint I ever heard about him was his defense and I remember reading nothing but good things about his D as a prospect.

Speaking of Dom though - check this link, no one is comparing Smith to Bonds, but...
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In comment 15158465 pjcas18 said:

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wrote off Smith, only complaint I ever heard about him was his defense and I remember reading nothing but good things about his D as a prospect. Speaking of Dom though - check this link, no one is comparing Smith to Bonds, but... link - ( New Window )

You forgot all the lazy bashing, and that he doesn't have nearly enough power?!?

In comment 15158468 Shecky said:

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In comment 15158465 pjcas18 said: Quote: wrote off Smith, only complaint I ever heard about him was his defense and I remember reading nothing but good things about his D as a prospect. Speaking of Dom though - check this link, no one is comparing Smith to Bonds, but... link - ( New Window ) You forgot all the lazy bashing, and that he doesn't have nearly enough power?!?

I don't remember the lazy bashing, no. but I pay less attention to Mets media/social media outside of BBI or twitter.

I never thought Smith was going to be Alonso (from a power standpoint) - even as a prospect I read he'd more of a doubles hitter than a HR hitter.

will have a showcase on 3/2. I guess no harm sending someone but I don't see that one happening. I'll go with the White Sox as my guess.

Mather's comments were so off the wall that I have to believe Seattle fires him. Like Michael Scott level idiocy.

minor league deal with KC

unimportant news, Lindor dyed his hair blue.

We were having conversations about what at chipotle he could eat without carbs because he apparently is their biggest fan. He also was a first basemen with no power. Still not quite sure where that came from, hopefully it’s not a product of the juiced ball, but he was Mitch Moreland best case scenario for a bit.

wrap up Lindor and Conforto extensions before the season but I think both are unlikely due to LT.

Not sure if the players said no negotiations once ST starts or once the season starts, but I'd feel better going into the season knowing at least one or two of the "big three" impending FA's was extended.

for Dom, even more than the weight loss was the sleep apnea diagnosis. His numbers since he was diagnosed vs. before are ridiculous. But yes, he didn't take his diet seriously, and not only was he out of shape, but he also didn't seem to take it particularly seriously. A flip obviously switched. Good for him.

New York Mets
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We have signed outfielder Kevin Pillar to a one-year deal. In a corresponding move, outfielder Guillermo Heredia was designated for assignment. https://bit.ly/3ukNSgs

is/was a dime a dozen. No loss if he's claimed.

a bunch of cuttable arms but ST should sort that out.

Still very curious as to what they do w/ 3b. Part of me wonders if they are more seriously considering McNeil as an every day 3b than we realize and 2b becomes the competition to watch between Guillorme and Villar. That would put the Villar signing into a slightly different context than the "utility guy".

JDD then turns into a RH corner utility guy who can kind of shift wherever necessary once in a while (especially if they do end up finding a way to get DH approved).

Guess it all hinges on McNeil's D at 3b though.

had a shaky... 9 game run at 3b in 2020 (while clearly not 100%) and suddenly some felt he couldn't hack it. What IS pretty clear is the fact the Mets don't appear comfortable with JDD's 3b defense.

like them to add Clippard or Greene. Clippard has been sneaky good.

says the Mets have not yet approached him regarding an extension.

In comment 15158705 DanMetroMan said:

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says the Mets have not yet approached him regarding an extension.

Disappointing.

In comment 15158705 DanMetroMan said:

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says the Mets have not yet approached him regarding an extension.

This is always the answer whenever any of our players are asked this. Better change over the next month.

Wilpon was with the club this weekend.

with a long piece on Walker

"Even with very conservative workloads, Walker projects to provide 2.9 WAR over the first two years of the deal, and 4.4 over the three-year stretch. That’s adequate production for a fourth or fifth starter, which is what the Mets expect him to be, as he’ll slot into the rotation behind Jacob deGrom, Carlos Carrasco, and Marcus Stroman, with lefties David Peterson or Joey Lucchesi likely to round out the starting five until Noah Syndergaard returns from Tommy John surgery, which won’t be any earlier than June given that the Mets placed Thor on the 60-day injured list in order to add Walker to the 40-man roster. Peterson pitched reasonably well as a rookie last year (3.44 ERA, 4.52 FIP in 49.2 innings), albeit with worse strikeout and walk rates than Walker offset by a stronger groundball tendency and a lower home run rate. Lucchesi was very solid for the Padres in 2018 and ’19 but spent most of last season at the team’s alternate training site, throwing just 5.2 major league innings. Long story short: this move gives the Mets — who already project to have one of the game’s top five rotations — some impressive depth. "
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I remember in the summer of '15 before the trades, guys like John Mayberry Jr. and Eric Campbell being counted on and getting WAY TOO many at bats. Those weren't the days.

Zamora (he stinks), Gsellman (but he has options so I'd hang onto him), Barnes (but that would be eating another "million"), Mazeika (don't think he's a realistic "next up" option if this team needs a C). That's probably about it.

In comment 15158732 DanMetroMan said:

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Wilpon was with the club this weekend.

Does he still own (as majority owner) any part of PSL? Team? Stadium?

I remember at one point he was trying to hold on to some minor league stuff. Not sure where it wound up.

In comment 15158743 pjcas18 said:

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In comment 15158732 DanMetroMan said: Quote: Wilpon was with the club this weekend. Does he still own (as majority owner) any part of PSL? Team? Stadium? I remember at one point he was trying to hold on to some minor league stuff. Not sure where it wound up.

He still owns a minority stake and the Willets Point land.

stake of the big club.

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Dominic Smith and Carlos Carrasco were among four players absent from the Mets' first day of full-squad workouts due to a "non-injury-related issue," per Luis Rojas. All four should be on site by the end of the week.