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ZGiants98 : 2/19/2021 7:29 am
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DanMetroMan : 2/22/2021 3:14 pm : link
Anthony DiComo
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Asked if he is content with the Mets' third-base situation, GM Zack Scott responded immediately: "Yes, definitely."

Scott said the Mets are comfortable with J.D. Davis at the top of the depth chart at third. He indicated the team is probably done adding players to its roster.
Write up from MMO  
ZGiants98 : 2/22/2021 3:31 pm : link
Mets GM Zack Scott talked to reporters on Monday as the team had their first full squad workouts in Port St. Lucie.

When Scott asked if the Mets were content with their current third base situation, he responded, “Yes definitely.”

Scott went on to say that the Mets are comfortable with J.D. Davis atop the depth chart at third base. He also noted that the Mets are likely settled with their 40-man roster, meaning any players they still add would be on minor league deals.

Earlier in the offseason, Sandy Alderson had said third base was “up in the air.” They added Jonathan Villar as infield depth since then, though he has only 54 games at the position and none in the last four seasons.

During his press conference earlier in the day, Mets shortstop Francisco Lindor said that there’s been no extension talks to this point and that he doesn’t want to have them during the regular season.

When Scott was asked about the potential of extension talks, “The sooner, the better.”

Scott when probed on difficulties of talking extension without multiple players at once, “It’s not that difficult to do. I’ve been apart of those conversations before. We’ve been able to do it… I don’t think having multiple players and agents to talk about those sorts of things is a challenge.”
Jeffress  
DanMetroMan : 2/22/2021 3:35 pm : link
minor-league deal with the Nats. Zero risk... but his numbers were scary last season. I'd take Clippard or Greene over him. Maybe even a roll of the dice on Robertson.
I definitely would take Greene  
ZGiants98 : 2/22/2021 3:54 pm : link
Sounds like the Mets might be done for now though.
Pretty  
DanMetroMan : 2/22/2021 3:58 pm : link
dumb tweet. Cespedes was playing golf during the playoffs. How is this the same? lol
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DanMetroMan : 2/22/2021 4:01 pm : link
Alden Gonzalez
@Alden_Gonzalez
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Kevin Mather has resigned, the Mariners announce.
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DanMetroMan : 2/22/2021 4:16 pm : link
Jon Heyman
@JonHeyman
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Taijuan Walker, Mets
$23M, 3 yrs
Signing Bonus - $2M

$8M - 2021

$7M - 2022

Player option 2023 for $6M; $3M buyout.

BASE IN 2023 INCREASES BY $250K for 125ip; 135ip; 500K for 145ip; 155ip; 165ip; 175ip
Plus: $1M if traded (once)
Player will donate 1% of salary to Club Charity
Tommy Hunter is better than I thought  
ZGiants98 : 2/22/2021 4:28 pm : link
FIP in the 3s every year since 2012.

Seems fairly solid for middle relief.
Underlying  
DanMetroMan : 2/22/2021 4:34 pm : link
numbers for Hunter are very ugly. Zero risk (so no complaints) but major, major red flags.
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pjcas18 : 2/22/2021 4:40 pm : link
In comment 15158845 DanMetroMan said:
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Alden Gonzalez
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Kevin Mather has resigned, the Mariners announce.

I wonder if this gives Kelenic a chance to make the team out of Spring training. I read Mather saying Kelenic wouldn't stick because of service time manipulation.
Bottom  
DanMetroMan : 2/22/2021 4:40 pm : link
13 percentile in exit velocity, bottom 10% in HH%, just a very ugly map. Ya never know, but with the decreased velocity, 35 in July, you see why a "hmmm FIP not bad" guy like this is taking a straight minor league deal
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Referring to the drop in velocity?  
ZGiants98 : 2/22/2021 4:41 pm : link
I could see that. K/9 was actually up in 20. Last few years (wouldn’t count 19) he seems pretty good though. Idk.
Well I guess you answered  
ZGiants98 : 2/22/2021 4:42 pm : link
Not expecting much obviously but as the last guy in the pen type, he doesn’t appear terrible.
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DanMetroMan : 2/22/2021 4:42 pm : link
In comment 15158883 pjcas18 said:
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Alden Gonzalez
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Kevin Mather has resigned, the Mariners announce.


I wonder if this gives Kelenic a chance to make the team out of Spring training. I read Mather saying Kelenic wouldn't stick because of service time manipulation.


Mather did the ONE thing that a player can cite fully as service time manipulation. He went on record acknowledging it. I think people are overstating how much this impacts them long-term. He and Rodriguez are going to stew over this for 6 years if 2-3 years from now the Mariners give them a monster offer? Doubtful. But Kelenic has a real shot to win a grievance.
RE: Well I guess you answered  
DanMetroMan : 2/22/2021 4:44 pm : link
In comment 15158889 ZGiants98 said:
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Not expecting much obviously but as the last guy in the pen type, he doesn’t appear terrible.


Sure. ZERO risk. Not complaining about anybody on a minor league deal but his map/velocity aren't encouraging. Shane Greene (linked) in comparison looks like a solid gamble for someone
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Walker  
DanMetroMan : 2/22/2021 4:46 pm : link
was a no-brainer at that price and I say that as someone who openly doubts his supposed "upside". Now Lucchesi/Yamamoto are legitimate "depth".
Would love Greene  
ZGiants98 : 2/22/2021 4:49 pm : link
Just think he’s gonna get a ML deal and the Mets might be done there.

I actually could see Luchessi getting the 5th spot to start with Peterson going to AAA. Two weeks there means an extra year of control. Seems like a no-brainer with the depth we now have.
Peterson  
DanMetroMan : 2/22/2021 4:53 pm : link
should either be in the big league rotation or Syracuse rotation. I have no issue with him pitching out of the pen come July-August if a need pops up but there is zero reason (as some have suggested) to have him pitch out of the pen early in the season. One additional upside of Peterson in Syracuse is giving him a few starts of 4-5 innings to help curb his innings.
Amazing  
ZGiants98 : 2/22/2021 4:53 pm : link

Jon Heyman
@JonHeyman
Asked if the Mets would be scouting Yoenis Cespedes’ workout/showcase, Mets president Sandy Alderson responded, “We’re going to rent horses and ride to the workout.”
RE: Walker  
Eric on Li : 2/22/2021 4:54 pm : link
In comment 15158896 DanMetroMan said:
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was a no-brainer at that price and I say that as someone who openly doubts his supposed "upside". Now Lucchesi/Yamamoto are legitimate "depth".


As someone intrigued by the upside I am also happy with the price.

At the end of the day the guy is 35-34 with a 3.84 ERA over his career and he was basically the youngest starter available in FA. Coming off a season where he came back healthy and pitched pretty well even if some ERA/K regression is due.

At minimum that's a big upgrade over Matz (31-41, 4.35 career ERA, turns 30 this year, coming off his worst stint as pro) and it didn't cost anything except a little extra cash. What the upside is I have no idea but I never would have guessed going into 2018 at age 28 that 18 months later Wheeler would be getting $100m+.
It's  
DanMetroMan : 2/22/2021 4:55 pm : link
worth noting, it's unlikely Peterson has "unlimited" innings so if it's close this spring, it makes sense to use Syracuse as a way to artificially get him further into the season.
Still  
DanMetroMan : 2/22/2021 4:56 pm : link
think Clippard is going to be a steal for someone. Granted, he could fall off a cliff quickly but he's been very solid for a long time. He also pitched with May in 2020, Carrasco in 2019, and Stroman in 2018.
RE: Still  
Eric on Li : 2/22/2021 4:57 pm : link
In comment 15158911 DanMetroMan said:
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think Clippard is going to be a steal for someone. Granted, he could fall off a cliff quickly but he's been very solid for a long time. He also pitched with May in 2020, Carrasco in 2019, and Stroman in 2018.


With the way some of these guys have held on forever (like Ollie and Soria) I have no issue rolling the dice on older relievers. Blevins included.
Last  
DanMetroMan : 2/22/2021 5:00 pm : link
2 seasons Clippard is 35th in FIP, 30th in fWAR. 2020 18th and 12th. Given his likely very low cost I think he'd be a very solid add with the hope he gives you 50+ quality innings.
Jack  
DanMetroMan : 2/22/2021 5:11 pm : link
Leiter touching 100 for Vandy today, good lord.
Can we just all agree not to mention the “K*****c”  
bhill410 : 2/22/2021 5:46 pm : link
On this board again. I was already on the fence about taking a step back about caring about the Mets given I have two small kids but that trade was my last straw. I remember ranting about it at the time on this very message board and something that looked beyond dumb to 99% or the fan base has somehow ended up looking even worse with time. So I beg and plead if only for all of our sanity, let’s pretend he doesn’t exist so we don’t have to constantly question why a GM would think giving up your best prospect in a decade for the right to take back a declining player owed 200 million plus a freaking reliever made sense. It’s the only way I can function.
bhill  
DanMetroMan : 2/22/2021 5:49 pm : link
more than fair, though I will say in this context, it's about the Mariners and the league on the whole vs. bitching about the trade. I'm tired of hearing about the trade as well. A rare move where almost "everyone" thought it was bad WHEN it happened.
Don’t disagree Dan - I couldn’t believe that a crazy story  
bhill410 : 2/22/2021 9:23 pm : link
That normally I would love reading of course featured K*****c prominently. It is like when they traded for dumb victor zambrano and then several years later money ball comes out and Scott kazmir is prominent in the book. Some of these trades just find a way to constantly be in your life.
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Rory : 2/22/2021 10:08 pm : link
In comment 15158960 DanMetroMan said:
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more than fair, though I will say in this context, it's about the Mariners and the league on the whole vs. bitching about the trade. I'm tired of hearing about the trade as well. A rare move where almost "everyone" thought it was bad WHEN it happened.


however...if Diaz goes on a tear, assumes the closer roll and can close out a world series win for the Mets. Would that make everyone feel better?
Too late on Clippard  
SJGiant : 2/22/2021 10:24 pm : link
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Eric on Li : 2/23/2021 12:47 am : link
In comment 15159094 Rory said:
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more than fair, though I will say in this context, it's about the Mariners and the league on the whole vs. bitching about the trade. I'm tired of hearing about the trade as well. A rare move where almost "everyone" thought it was bad WHEN it happened.



however...if Diaz goes on a tear, assumes the closer roll and can close out a world series win for the Mets. Would that make everyone feel better?


yes, I think that would do it.
RE: Too late on Clippard  
Eric on Li : 2/23/2021 12:59 am : link
In comment 15159111 SJGiant said:
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I'm getting the sense they want to see how all these young guys shake out before spending money (hence cutting Brach). There are undoubtedly RP's available on the trade market the way Ottavino was and the way Familia/Betances likely still are.

Not saying they are right btw. I see a lot more quantity than quality.
I'd peg the odds of anything else big happening low but MIL in on JBJ  
Eric on Li : 2/23/2021 11:20 am : link
is kind of interesting. Perhaps the logic there is that they know many had interest in Cain, here's a chance to get a younger version of Cain on very fair deal since he's still hanging out on the market and also return something useful for Cain?

For the Mets, obviously OF is crowded right now and likely no deal would make sense without the DH approved.

But if DH gets approved, maybe something around JDD for Cain circles back with Milwaukee then using the money saved to sign JBJ? Maybe they can also somehow expand to get Hader? Nimmo + JDD for Hader + Cain?

Again I doubt anything else big happens in ST but Cain would seemingly be the type of vet who could hit market around the deadline if MIL isn't in contention (and especially if they do also add JBJ). Hader too for that matter.
I'd  
DanMetroMan : 2/23/2021 11:22 am : link
throw up MAJOR red flags if the Brewers were indeed looking to dump Cain for JBJ. They are nearly identical value players and JBJ will undoubtedly get more money and years.
ZIPS/Steamer have Cain 1.9/1.8  
DanMetroMan : 2/23/2021 11:24 am : link
and JBJ 1.5 and 1.1. JBJ is younger (but still about to turn 31) and wouldn't be any cheaper. The Brewers shopping Cain to sign JBJ (no actual indication that's their plan, more likely valuing a "bargain" with potential plus defense in CF/LF) but it would be something I'd strongly be questioning.
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DanMetroMan : 2/23/2021 11:26 am : link
In comment 15159094 Rory said:
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more than fair, though I will say in this context, it's about the Mariners and the league on the whole vs. bitching about the trade. I'm tired of hearing about the trade as well. A rare move where almost "everyone" thought it was bad WHEN it happened.



however...if Diaz goes on a tear, assumes the closer roll and can close out a world series win for the Mets. Would that make everyone feel better?


The Mets have to win a WS in the next few ie Diaz a key part of the team, for that trade to come close to being "okay". If they are a good team but don't win anything and Kelenic is a star, then we won't look back fondly on Diaz any more than Franco, Wagner, Benitez etc. He'll be a footnote.
Jack  
DanMetroMan : 2/23/2021 11:28 am : link
Leiter won't be there at 19 (or close to it) but punishment for Leiter pushing Kazmir out the door should be Leiter getting just injured enough to fall to 19 lol
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Eric on Li : 2/23/2021 11:30 am : link
In comment 15159429 DanMetroMan said:
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throw up MAJOR red flags if the Brewers were indeed looking to dump Cain for JBJ. They are nearly identical value players and JBJ will undoubtedly get more money and years.


4 years younger and almost definitely lower AAV.

plus whatever asset they'd get for Cain.

jmo but it would make sense for just about any non-contender should be listening on a player entering their age 35 season.
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DanMetroMan : 2/23/2021 11:33 am : link
In comment 15159444 Eric on Li said:
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throw up MAJOR red flags if the Brewers were indeed looking to dump Cain for JBJ. They are nearly identical value players and JBJ will undoubtedly get more money and years.



4 years younger and almost definitely lower AAV.

plus whatever asset they'd get for Cain.

jmo but it would make sense for just about any non-contender should be listening on a player entering their age 35 season.


How much are the Brewers getting for Lorenzo Cain at 35 years old owed 35 million with most teams done spending and some teams at or over the lux tax? JBJ is going to be a bigger commitment than Cain and Cain is already part of that team (that has won games with him there). Sorry, this would be a very weird move and I'd think Cain's health is an issue.
Non-contender?  
DanMetroMan : 2/23/2021 11:34 am : link
Many are picking the Brewers to win their division? Who is clearly better? They are absolutely "contenders".
PECOTA  
DanMetroMan : 2/23/2021 11:37 am : link
has the Brewers winning 89 games, winning the NL Central and the 4th most wins in the NL behind the Dodgers, Padres and Mets. They project the Brewers to post the 7th highest win total in baseball (Dodgers, Padres, Mets, Yankees, Houston, Twins, then the Brewers (less than 1 win less than the Twins).
PECOTA  
DanMetroMan : 2/23/2021 11:37 am : link
projections
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PECOTA  
DanMetroMan : 2/23/2021 11:39 am : link
gives the Brewers a 55% chance of winning their division, Mets 77 for context.
Alonso  
DanMetroMan : 2/23/2021 11:40 am : link
looks like he's in good shape this spring. Looked a little heavy last year.

-Deesha
@DeeshaThosar
Noah Syndergaard only threw about three curveballs, but he likes the way they’re coming out right now. Excitedly brought them to the attention of another Mets staffer. His energy and motivation at camp so far continue to be a positive sign for his eventual return.
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DanMetroMan : 2/23/2021 11:41 am : link
Anthony DiComo
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The Mets have re-hired former bench coach Dick Scott to the title of coordinator, coaching development and instruction. He's on site today.

Scott had spent the past three seasons in the Marlins' front office.
DMM if you were the Brewers would you do this  
Eric on Li : 2/23/2021 11:41 am : link
per Martino JBJ is seeking something around 4 years / 50m. (12.5m AAV). At this stage who knows if he comes close to that or not but let's say that's the number.

Cain is $17m this year, 18m next year. So that's a savings of about $10m over the next 2 years.

Plus whatever they can get for Cain. From a NYM standpoint I'd still probably trade JDD for Cain straight up if DH gets approved. So let's just use that as a hypothetical:

4 years of JBJ + 3 years of JDD
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2 years of Cain

I guess that's similarly what the choice would be for the Mets too and I think there's an argument either way.
RE: Jack  
KDavies : 2/23/2021 11:43 am : link
In comment 15159441 DanMetroMan said:
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Leiter won't be there at 19 (or close to it) but punishment for Leiter pushing Kazmir out the door should be Leiter getting just injured enough to fall to 19 lol


Don't Mets pick 10?
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Ten Ton Hammer : 2/23/2021 11:46 am : link
In comment 15159094 Rory said:
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more than fair, though I will say in this context, it's about the Mariners and the league on the whole vs. bitching about the trade. I'm tired of hearing about the trade as well. A rare move where almost "everyone" thought it was bad WHEN it happened.



however...if Diaz goes on a tear, assumes the closer roll and can close out a world series win for the Mets. Would that make everyone feel better?


In this situation is Kelenic filling out his potential and becoming a superstar? Because I'm not sure.
If  
DanMetroMan : 2/23/2021 11:47 am : link
I'm the Brewers I'm not giving 31-year-old JBJ 4 years at any reasonable sum. Barring something really surprising JBJ's max value is probably 2ish fWAR. I also don't believe the Mets would trade 4 years of JDD for Lorenzo Cain. While I'm not "overly" high on JDD. Leaving the Mets with "only" Villar/McNeil/Guillorme at 2b/3b seems like a major, major gamble. It's not as if the Mets have a 2b/3b prospect anywhere near ready to help them.
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DanMetroMan : 2/23/2021 11:48 am : link
In comment 15159463 KDavies said:
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Leiter won't be there at 19 (or close to it) but punishment for Leiter pushing Kazmir out the door should be Leiter getting just injured enough to fall to 19 lol



Don't Mets pick 10?


You're right. They pick 10th. Leiter will be long, long gone. He's going top 3 barring again, major injury.
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