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Vacchiano: 10 possible Giants free agent targets

Eric from BBI : Admin : 2/19/2021 10:09 am
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10 possible Giants free agent targets, with team 'very interested' in Kenny Golladay - ( New Window )
only 10?  
giants#1 : 2/19/2021 10:17 am : link
Is he too lazy to come up with 50?
Directly contradicting Jordan Rannan  
Jolly Blue Giant : 2/19/2021 10:21 am : link
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They just probably won’t be too active. And any big splash they make could be a tight squeeze.


What Jordan said makes more sense. They don’t have anyone tied up to long term contracts, so to sign someone with a backloaded contract should be easy.
i actually didn't realize  
ryanmkeane : 2/19/2021 10:27 am : link
that Samuel had that good of a year. Interesting.
RE: only 10?  
UConn4523 : 2/19/2021 10:29 am : link
In comment 15157059 giants#1 said:
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Is he too lazy to come up with 50?


Was thinking the same, haha.
I'd really like to grab Jonnu Smith  
UConn4523 : 2/19/2021 10:31 am : link
really good hands, solid YAC, and can block well enough. Would allow a really nice 2 TE set, and more motion for Engram.
If we don’t re-sign Fackrell, I could get on board  
Big Blue '56 : 2/19/2021 10:34 am : link
for Jenkins
just watched some Samuel highlights  
ryanmkeane : 2/19/2021 10:34 am : link
from this year, he looks like a completely different player than I imagined him being
I could see signing  
JonC : 2/19/2021 10:38 am : link
Jonnu Smith, Feiler, Jenkins, and going after Golladay if he somehow avoids the tag. Would be a really strong UFA start to release some pressure moving towards the draft.

Samuel would be interesting, but there would still be a significant hole for a legit #1 WR. Samuel is more of a swiss army knife.
RE: I could see signing  
eric2425ny : 2/19/2021 10:45 am : link
In comment 15157080 JonC said:
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Jonnu Smith, Feiler, Jenkins, and going after Golladay if he somehow avoids the tag. Would be a really strong UFA start to release some pressure moving towards the draft.

Samuel would be interesting, but there would still be a significant hole for a legit #1 WR. Samuel is more of a swiss army knife.


Not sure we would be able to sign all of those players and retain LW. I think the most we could do is sign LW and Golladay if he isn’t tagged. Maybe one other fringe FA.
didn't realize Jonnu Smith  
ryanmkeane : 2/19/2021 10:49 am : link
was a free agent, that's an interesting development
I'd deal  
Toth029 : 2/19/2021 11:00 am : link
Engram for picks and sign Jonnu Smith. He has blocking ability and Belichick said he was the best TE for YAC. This is the type of description you would want to read from Engram. But YAC isn't common for him and his blocking is still not good. Feels like Smith is great for this offense.
I’m completely off the Golladay...  
bw in dc : 2/19/2021 11:06 am : link
train. I just don’t trust his durability, especially the likely asking price. And he’s really had only one great year.

Poole is an interesting idea as another corner and I’ve mentioned Williams many times as RT solution. So they could work at reasonable prices.
I'm not on the Golladay train either  
JonC : 2/19/2021 11:07 am : link
but am resigned to them signing a WR, warts and all. Just have to see which players reach the open market.
RE: I’m completely off the Golladay...  
eric2425ny : 2/19/2021 11:09 am : link
In comment 15157128 bw in dc said:
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train. I just don’t trust his durability, especially the likely asking price. And he’s really had only one great year.

Poole is an interesting idea as another corner and I’ve mentioned Williams many times as RT solution. So they could work at reasonable prices.


The Golladay always hurt thing baffles me. Before last season he had only missed one game in his first three years. His rookie year he wasn’t utilized a great deal until the second half of the season and he put up over 1k yards and 65+ catches in his second and third seasons. With 5 and 11 TD’s over those respective seasons. Has he played through pain in some games that he didn’t miss? Sure, but the reality is almost every player is playing through injuries every week.
RE: RE: I could see signing  
JonC : 2/19/2021 11:10 am : link
In comment 15157088 eric2425ny said:
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Jonnu Smith, Feiler, Jenkins, and going after Golladay if he somehow avoids the tag. Would be a really strong UFA start to release some pressure moving towards the draft.

Samuel would be interesting, but there would still be a significant hole for a legit #1 WR. Samuel is more of a swiss army knife.



Not sure we would be able to sign all of those players and retain LW. I think the most we could do is sign LW and Golladay if he isn’t tagged. Maybe one other fringe FA.


We'll see. I'm expecting them to trim considerable fat if their targets want to sign here. Tomlinson is probably a goner if other targets are doable, and they can work contracts to put more money on '22 and beyond. They're likely gonna shop for groceries starving.

I almost want the WRs to get tagged. I like Robinson and Godwin, but the projected pricetags are nuts.
RE: RE: RE: I could see signing  
eric2425ny : 2/19/2021 11:12 am : link
In comment 15157134 JonC said:
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Jonnu Smith, Feiler, Jenkins, and going after Golladay if he somehow avoids the tag. Would be a really strong UFA start to release some pressure moving towards the draft.

Samuel would be interesting, but there would still be a significant hole for a legit #1 WR. Samuel is more of a swiss army knife.



Not sure we would be able to sign all of those players and retain LW. I think the most we could do is sign LW and Golladay if he isn’t tagged. Maybe one other fringe FA.



We'll see. I'm expecting them to trim considerable fat if their targets want to sign here. Tomlinson is probably a goner if other targets are doable, and they can work contracts to put more money on '22 and beyond. They're likely gonna shop for groceries starving.

I almost want the WRs to get tagged. I like Robinson and Godwin, but the projected pricetags are nuts.


Agree on the cost, it’s almost prohibitive. Part of me would rather see them focus on other areas in FA and draft 2 WR’s in the first four rounds. By all accounts this is supposed to be a strong draft for WR’s.
Agree on WRs  
JonC : 2/19/2021 11:12 am : link
same with Edge.
Corey Davis is intriguing  
widmerseyebrow : 2/19/2021 11:14 am : link
I'd prefer him to Golladay, especially at the price.
RE: I’m completely off the Golladay...  
Dnew15 : 2/19/2021 11:16 am : link
In comment 15157128 bw in dc said:
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train. I just don’t trust his durability, especially the likely asking price. And he’s really had only one great year.

Poole is an interesting idea as another corner and I’ve mentioned Williams many times as RT solution. So they could work at reasonable prices.


I agree - I think the Giants are going to be able to get more "bang for their FA buck" at other position groupings in FA. THe value just isn't there at the WR position.

Especially this year with the cap situations of so many teams.

The Giants can get some value at the CB/DL/LB/OL spots in FA this year.
RE: Corey Davis is intriguing  
eric2425ny : 2/19/2021 11:18 am : link
In comment 15157139 widmerseyebrow said:
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I'd prefer him to Golladay, especially at the price.


I’m warming up to the idea of Davis depending on the price tag of course. He got picked 5th overall for a reason. The things to consider with him from an upside perspective is 1.) Size and speed, 2.) went to a small school so it’s possible he just needed an extra year or so to develop, 3.) he has played in a super run heavy offense his entire career.

RE: RE: Corey Davis is intriguing  
Judge_and_Jury : 2/19/2021 11:23 am : link
In comment 15157141 eric2425ny said:
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I'd prefer him to Golladay, especially at the price.



I’m warming up to the idea of Davis depending on the price tag of course. He got picked 5th overall for a reason. The things to consider with him from an upside perspective is 1.) Size and speed, 2.) went to a small school so it’s possible he just needed an extra year or so to develop, 3.) he has played in a super run heavy offense his entire career.


His 2nd half numbers including week 8 are impressive (4 100 yds games and 2-3 others quite productive)
RE: RE: Corey Davis is intriguing  
Dnew15 : 2/19/2021 11:30 am : link
In comment 15157141 eric2425ny said:
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I'd prefer him to Golladay, especially at the price.



I’m warming up to the idea of Davis depending on the price tag of course. He got picked 5th overall for a reason. The things to consider with him from an upside perspective is 1.) Size and speed, 2.) went to a small school so it’s possible he just needed an extra year or so to develop, 3.) he has played in a super run heavy offense his entire career.


Davis was also stuck with a terrible Mariota at QB for most of his career in Tenn.

Tennehill didn't take over in 2019 until week 7.
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ryanmkeane : 2/19/2021 11:39 am : link
Davis is what he is, a nice player. Just depends on if we want to spend 12-13M a year for a solid receiver, and not a really really good one.
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ryanmkeane : 2/19/2021 11:40 am : link
let's say Pitts is their guy in the draft. If that happens, I'm signing Samuel.

Shepard and Samuel underneath, with Pitts up the seam, and Slayton as the deep threat. Count me in for that.
RE: RE: RE: Corey Davis is intriguing  
eric2425ny : 2/19/2021 11:41 am : link
In comment 15157157 Dnew15 said:
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In comment 15157139 widmerseyebrow said:


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I'd prefer him to Golladay, especially at the price.



I’m warming up to the idea of Davis depending on the price tag of course. He got picked 5th overall for a reason. The things to consider with him from an upside perspective is 1.) Size and speed, 2.) went to a small school so it’s possible he just needed an extra year or so to develop, 3.) he has played in a super run heavy offense his entire career.




Davis was also stuck with a terrible Mariota at QB for most of his career in Tenn.

Tennehill didn't take over in 2019 until week 7.


Good point, and Tannehill is not exactly a high end QB either. That being said, Tannehill has done a heck of a job in Tennessee vs his previous stint in Miami. I was not expecting him to play anywhere near as well as he has the past few years.
keep in mind this WR draft class  
ryanmkeane : 2/19/2021 11:44 am : link
is extremely deep, as many as 10 guys could go in the first 3-4 rounds.

Pairing Pitts with another guy in round 3 or 4 would add some nice depth to the WR corp especially if we sign one of the second tier guys.
RE: ...  
Dnew15 : 2/19/2021 11:53 am : link
In comment 15157161 ryanmkeane said:
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Davis is what he is, a nice player. Just depends on if we want to spend 12-13M a year for a solid receiver, and not a really really good one.


I hear ya - that price tag may scare some away. All I'm saying is that IF there's a FA WR that COULD make the jump to a #1 on a new team - Davis would be my pick.

He's the one guy in the WR FA class that I feel like I could make an argument that he could be like a Bradberry/Martinez that could make the jump to near Pro Bowl caliber player.

If that happens a contract with a 12-13 Mil AAV for 3-4 years would like a good deal.
Pitts scares the crap out of me...  
Dnew15 : 2/19/2021 11:57 am : link
I get why people like him - I'm out on him.
Dnew  
ryanmkeane : 2/19/2021 11:58 am : link
yep...i agree...i could see us signing him and some fans being frustrated that he isn't producing at an elite level for WR...but the market is what it is for guys like Davis. And 800-900 yard guys get that kind of money these days (similar to Samuel)

Can Davis become a pro bowl player? Not sure. He seems to have reached his peak due to his athletic ability - it would have to be the perfect offense for him to reach that 85 catch/1200 yard status
RE: Pitts scares the crap out of me...  
ryanmkeane : 2/19/2021 11:59 am : link
In comment 15157189 Dnew15 said:
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I get why people like him - I'm out on him.

For what it's worth, Bucky Brooks thinks he's the 3rd best player in the draft
my thing with Davis  
ryanmkeane : 2/19/2021 11:59 am : link
is he was very polished coming out of college and really hasn't shown that he can make a big jump from what he was, which was a high volume possession guy.
History on this site  
Dnew15 : 2/19/2021 12:11 pm : link
proves that I would be a terrible NFL scout :)

It's more the history of 1st round TE busts that scares me more than the player himself. Pitts seems insanely athletic and talented - but history has shows the value in the NFL drafts at the TE position comes later.

As far as Davis is concerned - I'm not sure he's tapped out b/c of his abilities...I think it's more scheme and his role in the Titans offense that has capped his on the on-field production. He also seems to be trending upward looking at a lot of those key stats that get thrown around here all the time (YPC being one of them). Being the fourth option (Henry-Henry-Brown-Davis) in a run first offense is going to damper your production.

Maybe I'm wrong - I have watched exactly zero all-22 film on Titan WR (i was my time posting on BBI instead:) ... there's just something about him that intrigues me on the Giants.

Dupree  
Hilary : 2/19/2021 12:16 pm : link
If the giants cannot afford LW, Tomlinson, Hill, Lawrence and Dupree would be a good option with corner and D line depth to come in the draft
RE: History on this site  
eric2425ny : 2/19/2021 12:19 pm : link
In comment 15157203 Dnew15 said:
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proves that I would be a terrible NFL scout :)

It's more the history of 1st round TE busts that scares me more than the player himself. Pitts seems insanely athletic and talented - but history has shows the value in the NFL drafts at the TE position comes later.

As far as Davis is concerned - I'm not sure he's tapped out b/c of his abilities...I think it's more scheme and his role in the Titans offense that has capped his on the on-field production. He also seems to be trending upward looking at a lot of those key stats that get thrown around here all the time (YPC being one of them). Being the fourth option (Henry-Henry-Brown-Davis) in a run first offense is going to damper your production.

Maybe I'm wrong - I have watched exactly zero all-22 film on Titan WR (i was my time posting on BBI instead:) ... there's just something about him that intrigues me on the Giants.


Have to like his physicality, lots of nice stiff arms on display here...


Link - ( New Window )
The Giants have to restructure the entire Tight End group  
Jimmy Googs : 2/19/2021 12:44 pm : link
so Smith is an interesting target that could work well.

I also like adding another OL into the mix. Giants are still not out of the woods yet at both Guard and Tackle despite the heavy drafting last year. The candidates Vacchiano listed would help.

The rest...not so much.
Thuney  
ryanmkeane : 2/19/2021 12:48 pm : link
seems like the perfect signing. Very good player, still young, ties to Judge. I'm spending up t 14-15M a year to get him if that's what it takes. Cut Zeitler and replace him with this guy. The money wouldn't be that much different, and he's a significant upgrade.
Curtis Samuel  
mittenedman : 2/19/2021 6:14 pm : link
would be such an odd move. Can't believe his name keeps popping up. He's from Brooklyn. Great. We don't need to spend big $$$ on what Samuel does. 77 catches for under 900 yards and only 3 TDs? That's not a great year.
RE: Curtis Samuel  
Gatorade Dunk : 2/19/2021 6:26 pm : link
In comment 15157444 mittenedman said:
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would be such an odd move. Can't believe his name keeps popping up. He's from Brooklyn. Great. We don't need to spend big $$$ on what Samuel does. 77 catches for under 900 yards and only 3 TDs? That's not a great year.

We already know that DG doesn't really get scared off by the redundancy of two WRs whose best role is in the slot, so we can't rule it out. Further, DG drafted him, and obviously at one point had a plan for meshing Samuel with an all-purpose RB in CMac, whose skill set is about as close to Barkley's as there is in the league. He'll be on DG's radar.

I happen to agree with you that he's a luxury that this roster isn't quite ready for, but it won't be the first time that I disagree with DG's view on the sequence of roster assembly if he does sign Samuel. I do think CS is very talented, I just wish we had a more creative OC if we were going to try to make a Samuel/Barkley offense really purr.

My fear is that we're going to sign Samuel and just plug him in as the Z receiver and that's that.
It doesn't matter which receiver they sign...  
Milton : 2/19/2021 11:33 pm : link
He's gonna get injured and miss half the season.
Moves  
Dragon : 2/20/2021 9:07 pm : link
In FA are all about teams looking for that missing pieces or player TB needed the Goat around a ton of talented players. The Giants still don’t even know if they are a defensive or offensive team lacking too many players on both sides. Use the draft and UDFA to build a roster stop believing in the foolish notion we’re almost there we’re not close. Sure we can sign one year deals for stop gap players who are just a stepping stone for younger ones but don’t keep wasting CAP space on vets who won’t be part of the future.
RE: Curtis Samuel  
Jay on the Island : 2/20/2021 10:34 pm : link
In comment 15157444 mittenedman said:
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would be such an odd move. Can't believe his name keeps popping up. He's from Brooklyn. Great. We don't need to spend big $$$ on what Samuel does. 77 catches for under 900 yards and only 3 TDs? That's not a great year.

I’m not very high on Samuel but he is very versatile and he can line up inside, outside, and in the backfield. Keep in mind that Samuel is a deep threat but Teddy Bridgewater was his QB this season: Bridgewater struggles mightily throwing the ball downfield. Samuel is only 24 and he should continue to get better.

I am not suggesting that Samuel is the answer to the Giants WR issues but I think that he could be an asset at the right price. There are other WR’s in free agency that I like more but I would be happy with Samuel as long as he isn’t overpaid. If the Giants signed Samuel and added another WR like DeVonta Smith or Waddle in round 1 then the Giants offense would be the unrecognizable compared to last year. The Giants top 3 WR’s would all have run 4.3 40’s.
Samuel is much better  
Platos : 2/20/2021 10:39 pm : link
than his stats show.

Jay - I just don't see Samuel  
mittenedman : 2/21/2021 8:28 am : link
as the kind of player needed. The Giants need a #1 WR in the worst way - I call it a pressure diffuser.

*Pressure off of Daniel Jones and allows him to play well. (Very important.)

*Pressure off of Saquon Barkley (another very important asset) as he returns from an ACL. (Defenses can't assume everything flows through him anymore.)

*Pressure off of Darius Slayton to be the #1, always seeing the other team's #1 CB. Watching Slayton vs. Humphries from BAL for example, was tough. Get him matched up with a #2, and no S over the top, and he can be a playmaker for you.

*Pressure off of Shepard to run routes he isn't good at (downfield) and allows him to concentrate on being a move-the-chains slot WR, which he is very good at. Think Edelman with NE or Cole Beasley w/BUF.

*In general terms, it helps your offense score points which is what is killing this team right now.

You sign Samuel, play musical chairs and cut Shepard, etc. you aren't fixing the offense. It's time for the Giants to "pony up" and back up the BRINKS truck for a #1 WR. Considering the above, and the direct impact it has on the Giants 2 franchise players, it's worth the coin. Golladay is still the guy if they can figure out how to get him. IMO.
The best part about Ralph's article...  
EricJ : 2/21/2021 9:35 am : link
was the video at the bottom
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