Forget about the "number 1 WR" mantra around here. Ask yourself what this offense needs. Do we need another slot WR who is an underneath guy or do we need more of an outside threat that can stretch the D? I think we all know the answer to this.
In Philly, Agholor was a major disappointment and this is the downside with what happens when you either don't utilize a player the right way or let them develop. Philly got rid of Agholor because of how disappointing he was. Agholor goes to Vegas and all he did was make huge play after huge play for them all year long.
His route running looked like it did in college. He didn't set the world on fire with a crazy season so his contract should be fairly reasonable. Last year he signed for like $1 million. I read that he is projected to get like $5 mil. For that price we should be players.
I also read that after the loss to Miami he called out his teammates saying that they didn't work hard enough and there was no accountability. While you don't want a guy going public with things like this, I also think this shows leadership that he is willing to say what needs to be said when players aren't working hard enough. That immediately made me think of his fit here. Think of the leadership we had on this team. We were losing but guys were sticking together. This staff is all about accountability. If Agholor truly believes in these things then I like his fit here.
This doesn't mean that our search for weapons is over. He is just one piece to the puzzle and I think Jones would love him as a deep threat.
He is just 27 years old and may he 28 during the year but that is still a young player. If the price is right he should be on the short list. He won't be at the top of the list but if what Ranaan is saying is true that they don't want to be a top heavy roster with contracts then this seems like an ideal target.
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That's hysterical. But, as an added bonus, think about how pissed off Eagles fans would be if Agholor was productive for us. Lol
The drops are always a concern. But maybe that's a thing of the past...??
If we can't get into the premier WR sweepstakes, this isn't a bad Plan B option.
GM's will have to consider whether Agholor elevated his game last year or there are other factors at play, such as changes in usage, offensive philosophies, etc. Since we are only looking at one year of data with LVR, I focused on QB play. Derek Carr was middle of the pack last year in air yards per pass attempt and air yards per completion, and is generally not considered a top-tier deep ball QB. This leads me to believe that Agholor elevated his level of play and was not a product of a friendlier system.
I think Agholor's skillset would translate well to our offensive goals: stretch the field, keep defenders out of the box, open up lanes for Barkley, etc.
It would just be a move where I shrugged my shoulders and hoped for the best. I don't think he's particularly good but it wouldn't be a big contract.
The drops are always a concern. But maybe that's a thing of the past...??
That's what people say about Engram every year.
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GM's will have to consider whether Agholor elevated his game last year or there are other factors at play, such as changes in usage, offensive philosophies, etc. Since we are only looking at one year of data with LVR, I focused on QB play. Derek Carr was middle of the pack last year in air yards per pass attempt and air yards per completion, and is generally not considered a top-tier deep ball QB. This leads me to believe that Agholor elevated his level of play and was not a product of a friendlier system.
I think Agholor's skillset would translate well to our offensive goals: stretch the field, keep defenders out of the box, open up lanes for Barkley, etc.
I could be wrong about this and this is the chicken or the egg argument, but I am pretty sure prior to 2020 Carr was one of the worst deep ball passers in the NFL by statistics. They go out and get Agholor and Ruggs and now Carr had a great season throwing the ball deep. I remember this with Ryan Tannehill too. In Miami he was awful at deep passes. He goes to Tennessee and that changed. So, imo, Agholor really helped out Carr.
Agholor has 151 receptions and 12 drops since 2018
Engram had 61 receptions and 11 drops in 2020
It would just be a move where I shrugged my shoulders and hoped for the best. I don't think he's particularly good but it wouldn't be a big contract.
Kinda how I feel. Seems to get a lot of jump balls/busted coverage catches which is great, but not dependable long term. I'd wager 2020 is more of an outlier than a taste of what's to come.
Wouldn't hate it, but I'd be cautiously optimistic about him.
Thanks. I was looking for his drop rate. So, that is a great negotiating tool for him to not have a big contract. I'm not saying we force a signing like this and give him whatever he wants but if the price is small enough then he makes sense.
GM's will have to consider whether Agholor elevated his game last year or there are other factors at play, such as changes in usage, offensive philosophies, etc. Since we are only looking at one year of data with LVR, I focused on QB play. Derek Carr was middle of the pack last year in air yards per pass attempt and air yards per completion, and is generally not considered a top-tier deep ball QB. This leads me to believe that Agholor elevated his level of play and was not a product of a friendlier system.
I think Agholor's skillset would translate well to our offensive goals: stretch the field, keep defenders out of the box, open up lanes for Barkley, etc.
Nice input here. Thanks.
Yeah not a fan either. Seems to be more of what we have now.
I think we need a clear, top WR, not a continued series of "B" and "C" type guys rotating in (like Tate, etc).
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I was expecting to see his name on the 5 discount WR's article below. Was looking at his numbers with LVR compared to his time with Phi and the big plays really stand out. He averaged 18.7 yards per reception last year compared to a previous career average of 11.2. Similarly he averaged 10.9 yards per target compared to a previous career average of 6.7.
GM's will have to consider whether Agholor elevated his game last year or there are other factors at play, such as changes in usage, offensive philosophies, etc. Since we are only looking at one year of data with LVR, I focused on QB play. Derek Carr was middle of the pack last year in air yards per pass attempt and air yards per completion, and is generally not considered a top-tier deep ball QB. This leads me to believe that Agholor elevated his level of play and was not a product of a friendlier system.
I think Agholor's skillset would translate well to our offensive goals: stretch the field, keep defenders out of the box, open up lanes for Barkley, etc.
I could be wrong about this and this is the chicken or the egg argument, but I am pretty sure prior to 2020 Carr was one of the worst deep ball passers in the NFL by statistics. They go out and get Agholor and Ruggs and now Carr had a great season throwing the ball deep. I remember this with Ryan Tannehill too. In Miami he was awful at deep passes. He goes to Tennessee and that changed. So, imo, Agholor really helped out Carr.
Carr definitely improved last year as a deep ball QB. His intended air yards per attempt jumped from 6.6 in 2019 to 8.1 in 2020. Similarly, completed air yards per completion increased from 5.4 to 6.2 and completed air yards per attempt increased from 3.8 to 4.2.
Is there a guy out there that has the potential to still develop into a #1 that the Giants can sign?
Do you feel good about Agholor can be that kind of player?
Its not about crying over replacing anyone. Its about whether or not we should use limited resources on someone else.
I don't think anyone on this entire site doesn't want an upgrade at WR.
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I was expecting to see his name on the 5 discount WR's article below. Was looking at his numbers with LVR compared to his time with Phi and the big plays really stand out. He averaged 18.7 yards per reception last year compared to a previous career average of 11.2. Similarly he averaged 10.9 yards per target compared to a previous career average of 6.7.
GM's will have to consider whether Agholor elevated his game last year or there are other factors at play, such as changes in usage, offensive philosophies, etc. Since we are only looking at one year of data with LVR, I focused on QB play. Derek Carr was middle of the pack last year in air yards per pass attempt and air yards per completion, and is generally not considered a top-tier deep ball QB. This leads me to believe that Agholor elevated his level of play and was not a product of a friendlier system.
I think Agholor's skillset would translate well to our offensive goals: stretch the field, keep defenders out of the box, open up lanes for Barkley, etc.
Nice input here. Thanks.
+2. Also a good thread by the OP. I'm fine with targeting Agholor. He played well in LV. The drops are still a problem, but not as much as when he was in Philly. All the mid tier WRs have warts (drops, age, injuries). Sign one and use a high pick on a WR. People need to understand that we likely won't fix this position group in one offseason.
The way I look at him is a guy to give us immediate results. Everyone wants that rookie WR as do I but we have to be realistic. Look at LV. They drafted Ruggs and Edwards. Neither made the impact that was expected. So, if people want a rookie wideout there is a decent chance they don't produce the way that has become expected with rookie wideouts. Maybe we draft the next Justin Jefferson or maybe we draft the next Ruggs, Juedy, or Reagor where they don't have the impact that was expected. Agholor, to me, would be that bridge player that gives a rookie time to develop and produce.
There were 5 almost 6 WR that would have lead the Giants in receiving yards had they produced the same numbers while playing WR on the Giants last year.
Jefferson/Lamb/Higgins/Claypool/Jeudy/Aiyuk was 3 yrds behind Slayton.
For all you guys excusing Jones' bad play because he doesn't have playmakers, if all we do is add Agholar type guys we're going to be here again next season with the same stupid excuses.
Jones isn't good enough to make Agholar a star.
Not sure I like him calling out the rest of the team either, even if they deserved it. Has he earned that level of respect with his play?
Giants need to address the position with some mix of experience and youth, but some red flags there.
The Giants had this guy when they had Burress, Toomer, Nicks. Cruz was good but he wasn’t that kind of player.
If they are not or cannot get at a top 3 free agent WR, then they need to get a second tier guy who has shown these traits.
It doesn’t sound like Agholor is the guy.
The Giants had this guy when they had Burress, Toomer, Nicks. Cruz was good but he wasn’t that kind of player.
If they are not or cannot get at a top 3 free agent WR, then they need to get a second tier guy who has shown these traits.
It doesn’t sound like Agholor is the guy.
Steve Smith was soooo good in those spots.
That's funny!
Agholor's response (free tix for him and his family, wasn't bad)
I think that's overrating Golladay by quite a bit and underrating Agholor.
Their recent stats suggest they're closer than you think in terms of YPC (chunk plays), catch % (catches per target not great for either of them), and yards (overall production). They're both not ideal #1s, except you'll have to pay Golladay like he is one, whereas Agholor won't command anywhere near that and is still starting on this current Giants team.
I don't think the OP suggested he's our long term answer as a #1 receiver, but we're trotting out Golden Taint and slow as ass Sterling Shepherd right now. It's going to take more than one acquisition there.
For all you guys excusing Jones' bad play because he doesn't have playmakers, if all we do is add Agholar type guys we're going to be here again next season with the same stupid excuses.
Jones isn't good enough to make Agholar a star.
I'm certainly not excusing Jones's poor play, but I saw pieces of 3-4 LVR games last and I was impressed with Agholor. And I am fully aware of his inconsistent performances in Philly. He looked like was getting consistent separation, attacking defenders, and making catches with his hands versus his body.
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Agholar isn't good. Three Agholars isn't worth one Golladay.
For all you guys excusing Jones' bad play because he doesn't have playmakers, if all we do is add Agholar type guys we're going to be here again next season with the same stupid excuses.
Jones isn't good enough to make Agholar a star.
I'm certainly not excusing Jones's poor play, but I saw pieces of 3-4 LVR games last and I was impressed with Agholor. And I am fully aware of his inconsistent performances in Philly. He looked like was getting consistent separation, attacking defenders, and making catches with his hands versus his body.
he had an acceptable season. I wouldn't mind adding him but he isn't a #1. I thought BBI was dying for Jones to have a gamechanger at WR or TE. Add one of those plus Agholor and we should expect the offense to really pop, right?
His YPR and TD production definitely stand out from last year. I'd prefer a shorter term deal just to mitigate if it was an outlier season.
That said, I think a guy like this is better than going after the upper echelon in terms of value. I think the idea is right. I'd prefer investing significant resources in CB2 in FA since we seem incapable of scouting college CBs.
That said we do need to shore up our WR depth. Tate needs to go imo.
I would think playing against them on a rival team in a big market would be a nice piece of motivation to take him to a new level.
Him and Jamison Crowder lets go, sign me up
For all you guys excusing Jones' bad play because he doesn't have playmakers, if all we do is add Agholar type guys we're going to be here again next season with the same stupid excuses.
I think that's inevitable no matter who we acquire.
Release: Kevin Zeitler, Nate Solder, Cody Core(re-sign vet min), Levine Toilolo, Golden Tate, Davis Mayo.
Trade: Evan Engram
Re-sign:
DE Leonard Williams
DL Austin Johnson
QB Colt McCoy
FA signings:
LB Haasan Reddick
WR Agholor/Samuel/Davis
TE Gerald Everett
OL Matt Feiler
G Forrest Lamp
DE Trent Murphy
QB Blake Bortles
Wentz, as good as he might have been tossing him the ball, couldn't surpass his season with LV either.
- 6 seasons under his belt
- Never busted out a 1K season
- Had a couple above average seasons (2017-768yds, 2020-896)
He feels like another Shepard/D. Hixon/S. Smith type.
If Marvin Jones Jr and Agholor are the best WRs we at BBI can come up with....
Then shit, hang tight....See if DJ/OL is the real deal, and draft our "#1" WR while keeping Tate/Shep/EE/Slayton/Barkley the "paid" starters.