Cosell always has an interesting take on QBs and the link below is his assessment of the top-6 QBs coming out. Cosell comes on around 8:50 into podcast.
Of note:
Trevor Lawrence - obviously he has elite traits. Cosell feels Lawrence has improved year to year. Big frame, great athlete, but may not be as advanced as Burrow yet in the area of intangibles.
Zach Wilson - Feels Wilson is the clear second. Does not think he has the power arm at the Rodgers/Mahomes level but he excels in and out of structure. An advanced passer with the ability to make things happen in second reaction circumstances.
J Fields - Overall a lot of good traits but Cosell has concerns. Seems to require structured schemes to excel at this stage.
Trey Lance - Cosell likes Lance better than Fields at this stage. Has exciting traits - a power arm and elite running. He thinks teams will be excited about his potential.
Mac Jones - Not a good athlete and has no secondary traits of note. It will be interesting to see where he lands.
In the Mac Jones section he made an important point that debunks what many here insist on vis a vis Jones.
Cosell insists that he learned from Bill Walsh to isolate QB traits regardless of context. It doesn't matter if a QB has a good or poor supporting cast, good analysts and observers look for the traits, athleticism, mechanics, and mind set in isolation.
Kyle Trask he views as a backup.
I think Lance will not make it to 11 but if the Giants don't kick the tires on this kid I think they are making a huge mistake.
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You either take him to be the starter or you pass. This isn't a "try it and then buy it" scenario.
Giants have some pressing needs they should try to fill in the draft. If they want to "kick the tires", they should take a QB in the 5th round or later and see how he does as a backup.
You either take him to be the starter or you pass. This isn't a "try it and then buy it" scenario.
Giants have some pressing needs they should try to fill in the draft. If they want to "kick the tires", they should take a QB in the 5th round or later and see how he does as a backup.
I meant to check him out. Interview and try out. But your so quick to judge, insult and ridicule you are impossible to have rational dialogue with.
You either take him to be the starter or you pass. This isn't a "try it and then buy it" scenario.
Giants have some pressing needs they should try to fill in the draft. If they want to "kick the tires", they should take a QB in the 5th round or later and see how he does as a backup.
Agreed, there’s no way we take a QB at 11. They aren’t giving up on Jones after less than two seasons of starts. He’s shown enough promise to warrant a third season with more weapons at his disposal. There is no patience for young QB’s on this board lately. Not every QB comes in and lights it up there first two years in the league. If he sucks this year you look for another guy. Otherwise you are basically wasting the #11 pick if Jones progresses this season.
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you don't "kick the tires" on a guy at 11.
You either take him to be the starter or you pass. This isn't a "try it and then buy it" scenario.
Giants have some pressing needs they should try to fill in the draft. If they want to "kick the tires", they should take a QB in the 5th round or later and see how he does as a backup.
Agreed, there’s no way we take a QB at 11. They aren’t giving up on Jones after less than two seasons of starts. He’s shown enough promise to warrant a third season with more weapons at his disposal. There is no patience for young QB’s on this board lately. Not every QB comes in and lights it up there first two years in the league. If he sucks this year you look for another guy. Otherwise you are basically wasting the #11 pick if Jones progresses this season.
Fine that you feel that way. but if Lance turns into Mahomes and Jones only modestly improves would you admit you are completely wrong?
Interesting how he mentions how Wilson doesn't have Rodgers/Mahomes arm talent, since that's been a popular comparison.
You either take him to be the starter or you pass. This isn't a "try it and then buy it" scenario.
Giants have some pressing needs they should try to fill in the draft. If they want to "kick the tires", they should take a QB in the 5th round or later and see how he does as a backup.
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you don't "kick the tires" on a guy at 11.
You either take him to be the starter or you pass. This isn't a "try it and then buy it" scenario.
Giants have some pressing needs they should try to fill in the draft. If they want to "kick the tires", they should take a QB in the 5th round or later and see how he does as a backup.
I like Lance but there is no way this happens. They need another year to evaluate Jones. It just is what it is. Not even sure we can afford a late round QB project. The roster is still weak and lacks depth. DJ should have a veteran Back Up IMHO.
Cosell says good evaluators don't need another year. They know what they have. So if they evaluate Lance and think he has a chance to be Mahomes would you then support making a move? Or you think it doesn't matter? That doesn't seem logical. Keep in mind the Chiefs drafted Mahomes when they had a very good QB and the Saints were prepared to draft Mahomes when they had Brees breaking records.
You either take him to be the starter or you pass. This isn't a "try it and then buy it" scenario.
Giants have some pressing needs they should try to fill in the draft. If they want to "kick the tires", they should take a QB in the 5th round or later and see how he does as a backup.
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you don't "kick the tires" on a guy at 11.
You either take him to be the starter or you pass. This isn't a "try it and then buy it" scenario.
Giants have some pressing needs they should try to fill in the draft. If they want to "kick the tires", they should take a QB in the 5th round or later and see how he does as a backup.
Agreed, there’s no way we take a QB at 11. They aren’t giving up on Jones after less than two seasons of starts. He’s shown enough promise to warrant a third season with more weapons at his disposal. There is no patience for young QB’s on this board lately. Not every QB comes in and lights it up there first two years in the league. If he sucks this year you look for another guy. Otherwise you are basically wasting the #11 pick if Jones progresses this season.
Fine that you feel that way. but if Lance turns into Mahomes and Jones only modestly improves would you admit you are completely wrong?
It’s a matter of circumstance, not admitting anyone is wrong. I’m not saying Jones will be better than Lance. I’m saying the Giants are in a situation where they basically have to ride with Jones or risk getting burned in terms of draft capital. If we had a better overall roster and didn’t have huge needs at WR, Edge, etc. I would have no issue investigating and even taking a guy like Lance at 11. Examples of good teams who could do this were the Packers with Rodgers and the Chiefs with Mahomes. Both were excellent football teams with entrenched QB’s in Favre and Smith so they could roll the dice on potential knowing they wouldn’t need them for at least a year or two.
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In comment 15157240 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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you don't "kick the tires" on a guy at 11.
You either take him to be the starter or you pass. This isn't a "try it and then buy it" scenario.
Giants have some pressing needs they should try to fill in the draft. If they want to "kick the tires", they should take a QB in the 5th round or later and see how he does as a backup.
I like Lance but there is no way this happens. They need another year to evaluate Jones. It just is what it is. Not even sure we can afford a late round QB project. The roster is still weak and lacks depth. DJ should have a veteran Back Up IMHO.
Cosell says good evaluators don't need another year. They know what they have. So if they evaluate Lance and think he has a chance to be Mahomes would you then support making a move? Or you think it doesn't matter? That doesn't seem logical. Keep in mind the Chiefs drafted Mahomes when they had a very good QB and the Saints were prepared to draft Mahomes when they had Brees breaking records.
That said, if Judge is looking at Lance and says this is the next Mahomes, gotta have him...sure, I am down. I just don't think we take that gamble.
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you don't "kick the tires" on a guy at 11.
You either take him to be the starter or you pass. This isn't a "try it and then buy it" scenario.
Giants have some pressing needs they should try to fill in the draft. If they want to "kick the tires", they should take a QB in the 5th round or later and see how he does as a backup.
Agreed, there’s no way we take a QB at 11. They aren’t giving up on Jones after less than two seasons of starts. He’s shown enough promise to warrant a third season with more weapons at his disposal. There is no patience for young QB’s on this board lately. Not every QB comes in and lights it up there first two years in the league. If he sucks this year you look for another guy. Otherwise you are basically wasting the #11 pick if Jones progresses this season.
Fine that you feel that way. but if Lance turns into Mahomes and Jones only modestly improves would you admit you are completely wrong?
It’s a matter of circumstance, not admitting anyone is wrong. I’m not saying Jones will be better than Lance. I’m saying the Giants are in a situation where they basically have to ride with Jones or risk getting burned in terms of draft capital. If we had a better overall roster and didn’t have huge needs at WR, Edge, etc. I would have no issue investigating and even taking a guy like Lance at 11. Examples of good teams who could do this were the Packers with Rodgers and the Chiefs with Mahomes. Both were excellent football teams with entrenched QB’s in Favre and Smith so they could roll the dice on potential knowing they wouldn’t need them for at least a year or two.
I appreciate your reply. Respectfully, I think you are philosophically incorrect. There is no position we are in that is more important than adding an elite talent at QB, if you feel there is one there for you. You throw the game plan out the window if a Mahomes-like talent is there for you because it changes your team for a generation. There is no rationalization that should stop you from making that move.
And I am not saying Lance is that guy, but they should check him out. Smart organizations do this - they see an elite QB and seize the moment. They don't wait just because they have a middling talent that hasn't emerged yet.
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In comment 15157240 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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you don't "kick the tires" on a guy at 11.
You either take him to be the starter or you pass. This isn't a "try it and then buy it" scenario.
Giants have some pressing needs they should try to fill in the draft. If they want to "kick the tires", they should take a QB in the 5th round or later and see how he does as a backup.
I like Lance but there is no way this happens. They need another year to evaluate Jones. It just is what it is. Not even sure we can afford a late round QB project. The roster is still weak and lacks depth. DJ should have a veteran Back Up IMHO.
Cosell says good evaluators don't need another year. They know what they have. So if they evaluate Lance and think he has a chance to be Mahomes would you then support making a move? Or you think it doesn't matter? That doesn't seem logical. Keep in mind the Chiefs drafted Mahomes when they had a very good QB and the Saints were prepared to draft Mahomes when they had Brees breaking records.
OK...If you think you are looking at a HoF QB...go for it. You better be right though. I just can't see the Giants doing this. It is so much better for the franchise if Jones turns out to be the guy.
That said, if Judge is looking at Lance and says this is the next Mahomes, gotta have him...sure, I am down. I just don't think we take that gamble.
yes i agree
With that said, while I don't think this Giants regime will be going QB at #11 this year, they should absolutely be doing their legwork on the top prospects such as Lance.
WAY too risky, imo.
Who are all these flawless talent evaluators and why is that quote making it sound so easy?
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you don't "kick the tires" on a guy at 11.
You either take him to be the starter or you pass. This isn't a "try it and then buy it" scenario.
Giants have some pressing needs they should try to fill in the draft. If they want to "kick the tires", they should take a QB in the 5th round or later and see how he does as a backup.
Agreed, there’s no way we take a QB at 11. They aren’t giving up on Jones after less than two seasons of starts. He’s shown enough promise to warrant a third season with more weapons at his disposal. There is no patience for young QB’s on this board lately. Not every QB comes in and lights it up there first two years in the league. If he sucks this year you look for another guy. Otherwise you are basically wasting the #11 pick if Jones progresses this season.
Fine that you feel that way. but if Lance turns into Mahomes and Jones only modestly improves would you admit you are completely wrong?
If Lance turns out to be a bust because he does not get the multiple years on the bench that he does need, will you admit you are completely wrong?
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In comment 15157240 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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you don't "kick the tires" on a guy at 11.
You either take him to be the starter or you pass. This isn't a "try it and then buy it" scenario.
Giants have some pressing needs they should try to fill in the draft. If they want to "kick the tires", they should take a QB in the 5th round or later and see how he does as a backup.
Agreed, there’s no way we take a QB at 11. They aren’t giving up on Jones after less than two seasons of starts. He’s shown enough promise to warrant a third season with more weapons at his disposal. There is no patience for young QB’s on this board lately. Not every QB comes in and lights it up there first two years in the league. If he sucks this year you look for another guy. Otherwise you are basically wasting the #11 pick if Jones progresses this season.
Fine that you feel that way. but if Lance turns into Mahomes and Jones only modestly improves would you admit you are completely wrong?
Wow, are you and Go Terps the same person? At the very least you two must color coordinate your outfits each day.
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In comment 15157240 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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you don't "kick the tires" on a guy at 11.
You either take him to be the starter or you pass. This isn't a "try it and then buy it" scenario.
Giants have some pressing needs they should try to fill in the draft. If they want to "kick the tires", they should take a QB in the 5th round or later and see how he does as a backup.
Agreed, there’s no way we take a QB at 11. They aren’t giving up on Jones after less than two seasons of starts. He’s shown enough promise to warrant a third season with more weapons at his disposal. There is no patience for young QB’s on this board lately. Not every QB comes in and lights it up there first two years in the league. If he sucks this year you look for another guy. Otherwise you are basically wasting the #11 pick if Jones progresses this season.
Fine that you feel that way. but if Lance turns into Mahomes and Jones only modestly improves would you admit you are completely wrong?
If Lance turns out to be a bust because he does not get the multiple years on the bench that he does need, will you admit you are completely wrong?
I'm not making an evaluation. I am making a statement regarding philosophy. I say we need to evaluate Lance to see if he has the makings of an elite QB and if so, alter the trajectory of our system. I don't think I am wrong about this even if Lance is not an elite prospect.
Well a QB that evaluates out in the way that Cosell is suggesting, a rare power arm and elite secondary and running traits will ALWAYS be a top of the draft prospect, if not top-3. There are no prospects with those set of traits that last far beyond the top-10, much less middle rounds. Your statement is unrealistic.
This offseason has shown a new potential trend. Teams moving on from QB's who have had success. HC's are turning over quickly as well and I think these two factors will continue this trend.
If Jones is poor this year Giants may aggressively go after a veteran and be more willing to give up draft capital if they think the team is overall good.
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as a starter, on a team that is so much better than their competition. He is a huge unknown. He is very raw but has skills. This is the kind of guy you take a flyer on in the mid-rounds IMO, not a guy you pick at #11 to lead the team for 10 years (which needs to be the goal at #11).
Well a QB that evaluates out in the way that Cosell is suggesting, a rare power arm and elite secondary and running traits will ALWAYS be a top of the draft prospect, if not top-3. There are no prospects with those set of traits that last far beyond the top-10, much less middle rounds. Your statement is unrealistic.
Your continued pumping of Lance is tiresome. My response is measured and correct, he is a risky pick. Big upside and big downside. My opinion is (and its my opinion) that I'd rather let someone else gamble with a top pick on him.
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you don't "kick the tires" on a guy at 11.
You either take him to be the starter or you pass. This isn't a "try it and then buy it" scenario.
Giants have some pressing needs they should try to fill in the draft. If they want to "kick the tires", they should take a QB in the 5th round or later and see how he does as a backup.
Agreed, there’s no way we take a QB at 11. They aren’t giving up on Jones after less than two seasons of starts. He’s shown enough promise to warrant a third season with more weapons at his disposal. There is no patience for young QB’s on this board lately. Not every QB comes in and lights it up there first two years in the league. If he sucks this year you look for another guy. Otherwise you are basically wasting the #11 pick if Jones progresses this season.
Fine that you feel that way. but if Lance turns into Mahomes and Jones only modestly improves would you admit you are completely wrong?
If Lance turns out to be a bust because he does not get the multiple years on the bench that he does need, will you admit you are completely wrong?
I'm not making an evaluation. I am making a statement regarding philosophy. I say we need to evaluate Lance to see if he has the makings of an elite QB and if so, alter the trajectory of our system. I don't think I am wrong about this even if Lance is not an elite prospect.
You are making an evaluation when you say that Lance needs to be under consideration at 11 overall. Just because some person says Mahomes or Josh Allen does not mean he automatically must be evaluated by the Giants and the Giants are idiots if they pass him up.
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as a starter, on a team that is so much better than their competition. He is a huge unknown. He is very raw but has skills. This is the kind of guy you take a flyer on in the mid-rounds IMO, not a guy you pick at #11 to lead the team for 10 years (which needs to be the goal at #11).
Well a QB that evaluates out in the way that Cosell is suggesting, a rare power arm and elite secondary and running traits will ALWAYS be a top of the draft prospect, if not top-3. There are no prospects with those set of traits that last far beyond the top-10, much less middle rounds. Your statement is unrealistic.
Your continued pumping of Lance is tiresome. My response is measured and correct, he is a risky pick. Big upside and big downside. My opinion is (and its my opinion) that I'd rather let someone else gamble with a top pick on him.
Sorry your tired. I am not pumping Lance. I just think we need to evaluate him. And in today's NFL you are plainly wrong. A QB who flashes elite arm talent and elite running ability doesn't last into the middle rounds. I get you don't want to risk a top pick on a potential franchise-changing talent, but game theory suggests you are wrong. Feel free to double down on wrong. As we continue to pick the Engram's, Thomas's Lawrence's and Barkley's that you seem to think we so desperately need, other teams are getting the Mahomes's, Herbert's that actually transform franchises.
I like Lance, but beating James Madison in the FCS finals isn't as big as beating Clemson. And the overall competition isn't on par - obviously - with the Big Ten. Do we think Matt Entz is running a complicated system at NDSU where Lance has to make all of these complicated reads? Maybe - I guess. But the few games I saw NDSU play it was Lance running keepers, running RPOs, and throwing to some very open receivers...
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as a starter, on a team that is so much better than their competition. He is a huge unknown. He is very raw but has skills. This is the kind of guy you take a flyer on in the mid-rounds IMO, not a guy you pick at #11 to lead the team for 10 years (which needs to be the goal at #11).
Well a QB that evaluates out in the way that Cosell is suggesting, a rare power arm and elite secondary and running traits will ALWAYS be a top of the draft prospect, if not top-3. There are no prospects with those set of traits that last far beyond the top-10, much less middle rounds. Your statement is unrealistic.
Your continued pumping of Lance is tiresome. My response is measured and correct, he is a risky pick. Big upside and big downside. My opinion is (and its my opinion) that I'd rather let someone else gamble with a top pick on him.
Sorry your tired. I am not pumping Lance. I just think we need to evaluate him. And in today's NFL you are plainly wrong. A QB who flashes elite arm talent and elite running ability doesn't last into the middle rounds. I get you don't want to risk a top pick on a potential franchise-changing talent, but game theory suggests you are wrong. Feel free to double down on wrong. As we continue to pick the Engram's, Thomas's Lawrence's and Barkley's that you seem to think we so desperately need, other teams are getting the Mahomes's, Herbert's that actually transform franchises.
San Diego had no QB's other than Tyrod Taylor when they drafted Herbert. Kansas City had Alex Smith, but they were one QB away. The Giants are well more than an elite QB from being a playoff team, let alone a Super Bowl contender. Trey Lance is not changing that. The Giants need to build their OL and WR so our QB has the time to make plays and the pass catchers to get open with that time.
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you don't "kick the tires" on a guy at 11.
You either take him to be the starter or you pass. This isn't a "try it and then buy it" scenario.
Giants have some pressing needs they should try to fill in the draft. If they want to "kick the tires", they should take a QB in the 5th round or later and see how he does as a backup.
Agreed, there’s no way we take a QB at 11. They aren’t giving up on Jones after less than two seasons of starts. He’s shown enough promise to warrant a third season with more weapons at his disposal. There is no patience for young QB’s on this board lately. Not every QB comes in and lights it up there first two years in the league. If he sucks this year you look for another guy. Otherwise you are basically wasting the #11 pick if Jones progresses this season.
Fine that you feel that way. but if Lance turns into Mahomes and Jones only modestly improves would you admit you are completely wrong?
If Lance turns out to be a bust because he does not get the multiple years on the bench that he does need, will you admit you are completely wrong?
I'm not making an evaluation. I am making a statement regarding philosophy. I say we need to evaluate Lance to see if he has the makings of an elite QB and if so, alter the trajectory of our system. I don't think I am wrong about this even if Lance is not an elite prospect.
You are making an evaluation when you say that Lance needs to be under consideration at 11 overall. Just because some person says Mahomes or Josh Allen does not mean he automatically must be evaluated by the Giants and the Giants are idiots if they pass him up.
No. I think the Giants must consider any and all potential elite QBs until we have one who is playing at an elite level. That's not an evaluation, that is strategy. Deciding if Lance is an elite contender or pretender, that's an evaluation, and one that I am not able to make. I do trust Greg Cosell when he says this kid has great traits, and that is enough for me to think the Giants should have a look. If Judge decides the kid is more pretender than contender, that's an evaluation, and I think he should be on the hook for it. And if Lance turns out great and Jones continues to be a bum, then I think it should count against him.
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as a starter, on a team that is so much better than their competition. He is a huge unknown. He is very raw but has skills. This is the kind of guy you take a flyer on in the mid-rounds IMO, not a guy you pick at #11 to lead the team for 10 years (which needs to be the goal at #11).
Well a QB that evaluates out in the way that Cosell is suggesting, a rare power arm and elite secondary and running traits will ALWAYS be a top of the draft prospect, if not top-3. There are no prospects with those set of traits that last far beyond the top-10, much less middle rounds. Your statement is unrealistic.
Your continued pumping of Lance is tiresome. My response is measured and correct, he is a risky pick. Big upside and big downside. My opinion is (and its my opinion) that I'd rather let someone else gamble with a top pick on him.
Sorry your tired. I am not pumping Lance. I just think we need to evaluate him. And in today's NFL you are plainly wrong. A QB who flashes elite arm talent and elite running ability doesn't last into the middle rounds. I get you don't want to risk a top pick on a potential franchise-changing talent, but game theory suggests you are wrong. Feel free to double down on wrong. As we continue to pick the Engram's, Thomas's Lawrence's and Barkley's that you seem to think we so desperately need, other teams are getting the Mahomes's, Herbert's that actually transform franchises.
San Diego had no QB's other than Tyrod Taylor when they drafted Herbert. Kansas City had Alex Smith, but they were one QB away. The Giants are well more than an elite QB from being a playoff team, let alone a Super Bowl contender. Trey Lance is not changing that. The Giants need to build their OL and WR so our QB has the time to make plays and the pass catchers to get open with that time.
You don't wait for your team to be ready to draft an elite talent at QB. You get the guy when he is there for you. These opportunities are rare and we must seize them when they are available to us.
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as a starter, on a team that is so much better than their competition. He is a huge unknown. He is very raw but has skills. This is the kind of guy you take a flyer on in the mid-rounds IMO, not a guy you pick at #11 to lead the team for 10 years (which needs to be the goal at #11).
Well a QB that evaluates out in the way that Cosell is suggesting, a rare power arm and elite secondary and running traits will ALWAYS be a top of the draft prospect, if not top-3. There are no prospects with those set of traits that last far beyond the top-10, much less middle rounds. Your statement is unrealistic.
Your continued pumping of Lance is tiresome. My response is measured and correct, he is a risky pick. Big upside and big downside. My opinion is (and its my opinion) that I'd rather let someone else gamble with a top pick on him.
Sorry your tired. I am not pumping Lance. I just think we need to evaluate him. And in today's NFL you are plainly wrong. A QB who flashes elite arm talent and elite running ability doesn't last into the middle rounds. I get you don't want to risk a top pick on a potential franchise-changing talent, but game theory suggests you are wrong. Feel free to double down on wrong. As we continue to pick the Engram's, Thomas's Lawrence's and Barkley's that you seem to think we so desperately need, other teams are getting the Mahomes's, Herbert's that actually transform franchises.
San Diego had no QB's other than Tyrod Taylor when they drafted Herbert. Kansas City had Alex Smith, but they were one QB away. The Giants are well more than an elite QB from being a playoff team, let alone a Super Bowl contender. Trey Lance is not changing that. The Giants need to build their OL and WR so our QB has the time to make plays and the pass catchers to get open with that time.
You don't wait for your team to be ready to draft an elite talent at QB. You get the guy when he is there for you. These opportunities are rare and we must seize them when they are available to us.
Yes, if we could draft Trevor Lawrence I am all for that
I like Lance, but beating James Madison in the FCS finals isn't as big as beating Clemson. And the overall competition isn't on par - obviously - with the Big Ten. Do we think Matt Entz is running a complicated system at NDSU where Lance has to make all of these complicated reads? Maybe - I guess. But the few games I saw NDSU play it was Lance running keepers, running RPOs, and throwing to some very open receivers...
Cosell makes the case that Lance has better traits than Fields. He can't help who he plays with or against, but he has better arm talent than Fields and is probably better at the second reaction stuff than Fields. But he is raw, no doubt. Cosell doesn't seem put off by that though.
It re-emphasized the point that you need a strong “team”. That SB is a sign of things to come in KC btw. With that monster contract they handed Mahomes good luck re-signing any of your good young players or signing any big name FA’s. Kelce isn’t getting any younger either. I see that team looking a lot like the Seahawks in a few years. Great QB, some good weapons acquired via draft, and then a bunch of holes on D and the offensive line because you have no money to sign anyone.
It re-emphasized the point that you need a strong “team”. That SB is a sign of things to come in KC btw. With that monster contract they handed Mahomes good luck re-signing any of your good young players or signing any big name FA’s. Kelce isn’t getting any younger either. I see that team looking a lot like the Seahawks in a few years. Great QB, some good weapons acquired via draft, and then a bunch of holes on D and the offensive line because you have no money to sign anyone.
A great QB with an average overall team (even with great players at other positions you can have an average overall team) is a playoff contender every year and regularly in conference championship. However, the teams that make it to the Super Bowl and win are the best overall teams.
It re-emphasized the point that you need a strong “team”. That SB is a sign of things to come in KC btw. With that monster contract they handed Mahomes good luck re-signing any of your good young players or signing any big name FA’s. Kelce isn’t getting any younger either. I see that team looking a lot like the Seahawks in a few years. Great QB, some good weapons acquired via draft, and then a bunch of holes on D and the offensive line because you have no money to sign anyone.
The playoffs, and Super Bowl, should tell you, if you don't have a great QB it will be hard to sniff the playoffs. Sure Mahomes lost, but the other team had Tom Brady. And the two other semifinalists were Rodgers and Allen. We should be always on the lookout for QBs who are in that class.
You'll never know the extent to which they evaluate players they don't pick, so this just sounds like a lot of talk about something you'll never be able to have a valid complaint about.
Ignoring the experience/maturity aspect of evaluating QBs seems rather risky.
And it makes this comment reek of horseshit:
That's what the Giants did with Jones and all you've done this season is complain about it and say he was overdrafted. A statement that would be true for Lance too - but it's OK - because in your eyes, he isn't Jones.
A lot of people here don't trust your eyes.
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for all of those saying QB is everything. Mahomes played his ass off in that game and they got destroyed because their line sucked (due to injuries in this case) and their defense got owned.
It re-emphasized the point that you need a strong “team”. That SB is a sign of things to come in KC btw. With that monster contract they handed Mahomes good luck re-signing any of your good young players or signing any big name FA’s. Kelce isn’t getting any younger either. I see that team looking a lot like the Seahawks in a few years. Great QB, some good weapons acquired via draft, and then a bunch of holes on D and the offensive line because you have no money to sign anyone.
The playoffs, and Super Bowl, should tell you, if you don't have a great QB it will be hard to sniff the playoffs. Sure Mahomes lost, but the other team had Tom Brady. And the two other semifinalists were Rodgers and Allen. We should be always on the lookout for QBs who are in that class.
He may already be on the roster. Allen was no great shakes before this season. He had a lot of rushing TD’s but his passing stats were not especially pretty. Two things happened, 1.) he gained more experience going into his third season as a starter and 2.) they went out and got Diggs and Gabriel in the draft. Not saying Jones will be Allen, but let’s get him some weapons and see what his third season looks like. There were many Bills fans last offseason worried about Allen and wondering if they needed to draft another QB just like we are debating in this post. Looks like they made the right call sitting pat for one more offseason.
The Giants will almost certainly have a deep evaluation of Lawrence, Lance, Wilson and the rest. I don't believe they have the intention of taking any of them, but if one of them is rated "Holy Shit this guy will win the SuperBowl every year" and he is on the board at #11, you take him.
So back to the OP, I'm not sure what "kicking the tires" means, as they will evaluate everyone. The only decision is do you select him, which I don't think they will.
If that's the case, guys like Jimmy G., Tannehill, Foles, Blake Bortles and Goff have done that just in the past few seasons alone
If that's the case, guys like Jimmy G., Tannehill, Foles, Blake Bortles and Goff have done that just in the past few seasons alone
No you absolutely make the playoffs with an average or even below average QB as long as you do something else very, very well. A top 5 defense, an unstoppable running game, etc. When you don't have those - as much of the league doesn't - is when the elite QB is the differentiator.
It's not easy to find that elite QB, but when you get one it keeps you in that hunt year in and year out where as maintaining those others year to year is harder to do. That why you see the elite QBs back year in and year out, and the others are not as consistent.
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in this draft. I mean, he has played some big time football in some big games. He totally outplayed Lawrence in the semis this year while being hurt almost the entire second half after the cheap-shot by Skalski.
I like Lance, but beating James Madison in the FCS finals isn't as big as beating Clemson. And the overall competition isn't on par - obviously - with the Big Ten. Do we think Matt Entz is running a complicated system at NDSU where Lance has to make all of these complicated reads? Maybe - I guess. But the few games I saw NDSU play it was Lance running keepers, running RPOs, and throwing to some very open receivers...
Cosell makes the case that Lance has better traits than Fields. He can't help who he plays with or against, but he has better arm talent than Fields and is probably better at the second reaction stuff than Fields. But he is raw, no doubt. Cosell doesn't seem put off by that though.
I get it. I do like the Lance's long-ball ability. I just don't see the overall arm compared to Fields.
I really respect Cosell, however, so his opinion matters to me.
Good link below of Lance's TD throws in 2019, btw.
Lance TD throws in 2019 - ( New Window )
Putting aside the kick the tires statement, the Giants can ill-afford to be complacent at any position on their roster right now, and QB is no exception.
I assume they will do their homework on most if not all these candidates, no matter what they have publicly expressed about Jones.
Everyone wants an elite QB. If it were so easy to just grab one, teams would mortgage a future every season to go after the top prospects
Build a good, strong team and let the chips fall. If QB is the hindering factor - get a new one.
Everyone wants an elite QB. If it were so easy to just grab one, teams would mortgage a future every season to go after the top prospects
Well, we are very likely about to test that with D.Watson...