Player and team options for 2022, which seems a bit silly to me, but anyway, he's back, hopefully firmly as nothing more than a backup OF. lonk - ( New Window )
he can still man LF and CF well, he’s still a tough AB, and his vet leadership means something
It seems clear Frazier is the starting LF now, but between rest days and risk of injuries to Frazier and Hicks, I think Gardy will prove valuable once again
But we should have turned the page on him a couple of years ago.
Why, is there someone better that can play all three OF positions and at least grind out and at bat?
He needs to be 4th OF only. He and Tauchman can rotate around to keep Judge and Hicks fresh.
He is an injury replacement level player imo. His bat is not what it once was. I am not the biggest Red Thunder fan but he has shown more recently. Tauchman is a better player. Hell, Maybin was better a couple of years ago. Gardner seems like he is kept around more for nostalgia reasons than production reasons. Cashman was doing a great job finding lower priced players like Maybin and Tauchman that provide more than Gardner has. Just my opinion. I feel like Gardner could be upgraded for a couple of years now.
He is an injury replacement level player imo. His bat is not what it once was. I am not the biggest Red Thunder fan but he has shown more recently. Tauchman is a better player. Hell, Maybin was better a couple of years ago.
Frazier is ahead of him on the depth chart. (If in fact he takes material time away from Frazier, I think we'd all agree it's a bad move). Tauchman was better than Gardner in 2019. He was worse than him last year, and while he's young, his history suggests 2019 is more likely the outlier than 2020. Maybin was a stroke of luck - his performance here was a huge outlier for him.
Of course Gardner's no great shakes, but for a backup outfielder, you're not going to find a low level journeyman who comes that cheap and gives you materially better production. (Unless you get very lucky, like we did with Maybin). And assuming they use Gardner the way they should, it doesn't make much sense to use an inexpensive developmental player in that role, rather than letting them play regularly in the minors. Gardner makes as much sense as anyone for this role.
How many on the roster this year? Is it 26 instead of 25?
Yes. (Unless they go with a larger roster for COVID like last year. Wouldn't be surprising to at least start the year wthat way, but nothing's been announced).
He is an injury replacement level player imo. His bat is not what it once was. I am not the biggest Red Thunder fan but he has shown more recently. Tauchman is a better player. Hell, Maybin was better a couple of years ago. Gardner seems like he is kept around more for nostalgia reasons than production reasons. Cashman was doing a great job finding lower priced players like Maybin and Tauchman that provide more than Gardner has. Just my opinion. I feel like Gardner could be upgraded for a couple of years now.
He is not the starter in LF, Frazier is.
Gardner is still a better OF than everyone on the team except for Judge and maybe Hicks. That is not injury level. No his bat was not its usual self last year and it could be the end. Tauchman is maybe as good as Gardner in the OF but with a better arm now. Gardner is still better at the plate than Tauchman as per last season.
I like Tauchman and actually I would have him as the 4th OF unless his bat is sub-Mendoza line again.
Gardner is not holding anybody back. If Florial starts to figure it out they can either trade Gardner or release him if his bat is dead - and it did not look healthy last season.
How many on the roster this year? Is it 26 instead of 25?
Yes. (Unless they go with a larger roster for COVID like last year. Wouldn't be surprising to at least start the year wthat way, but nothing's been announced).
OK, so name your 26! I'll take a shot.
5 OF - Judge, Hicks, Clint, backed by Gardy and Tauch
6 IF - Gio, Torres, DJLM, Voit, backed by Wade and Ford
3 C - Sanchez, Higgy, Chirinos
5 SP - Cole, Kluber, Monty, Devi, Taillon
7 RP - Chappy, Britton, Loisaiga, Green, Wilson, German, O'Day
How many on the roster this year? Is it 26 instead of 25?
Yes. (Unless they go with a larger roster for COVID like last year. Wouldn't be surprising to at least start the year wthat way, but nothing's been announced).
OK, so name your 26! I'll take a shot.
5 OF - Judge, Hicks, Clint, backed by Gardy and Tauch
6 IF - Gio, Torres, DJLM, Voit, backed by Wade and Ford
3 C - Sanchez, Higgy, Chirinos
5 SP - Cole, Kluber, Monty, Devi, Taillon
7 RP - Chappy, Britton, Loisaiga, Green, Wilson, German, O'Day
Davidoff I think said 14 pitchers and 3 bench. I think it will be 13 1ne 13>
OF - Judge, Hicks, Frazier, Gardy, Tauchman (5)
IF - Voit, DJLM, Torres, Gio, Wade (5)
C - Sanchez, Higashioka, (2)
DH - Stanton (1)
SP - Cole, Kluber, Taillon, German, Montgomery (5)
RP - Chapman, Britton, Green, Loisiga, Wilson, O'Day, Cessa, Nelson (8)
26
They may keep either Schmidt or Garcia up for April until arms get stretched a bit.
Huh? Tauchman is probably a plus OF with terrific speed.
Miguel is a very good hitter with no position. There are several DHs on the team Stanton, Voit, Sanchez, Torres, DJLM already. They all have positions (yes Stanton is a good OF if needed).
I think you guys underestimate how much chemistry matters. It went from overrated to underrated. He's not taking anyone's playing time and we can depend on him for professional at-bats, base-running, and fielding. And the young guys love him. I really don't see the down-side here.
no other MLB team would offer Gardner anything and he is Cashman's number one pet.
From a roster management perspective, this takes away any flexibility the Yanks will have to make a move at the trade deadline and stay under the tax threshold.
And Gardner will be on the field and getting his swings in October, book it. Cashman is bringing him back to go out with a WS and he's not going to want him on the bench for it.
Boone will whine behind the scenes but he knows who holds the keys to his employment.
Last year was meaningless, throw it away completely, but his rookie year demonstrated the hitting ability of a perennial all star, someone who could average .900+ OPS year in and year out. It wasn't just the overall numbers, but the consistency he showed. No real slumps at all. If they sell low on him, they will regret for years and years.
Huh? Tauchman is probably a plus OF with terrific speed.
Miguel is a very good hitter with no position. There are several DHs on the team Stanton, Voit, Sanchez, Torres, DJLM already. They all have positions (yes Stanton is a good OF if needed).
I like Miggy but where does he play?
I love Miggy but I hope he rakes in the spring and we can move him for fair value. He has no chance at playing on this team in 2021 unless there are significant injuries.
because he has great speed, great D at multiple positions and he will backup Hicks and Frazier nicely. I saw so little out of Tauchman last year that this needed to get done.
RE: Said there was never a doubt months ago because
From a roster management perspective, this takes away any flexibility the Yanks will have to make a move at the trade deadline and stay under the tax threshold.
?? WTF are you talking about?? If that $4 mill keeps them from getting a player then that is on Hal, not Gardner.
RE: RE: Said there was never a doubt months ago because
From a roster management perspective, this takes away any flexibility the Yanks will have to make a move at the trade deadline and stay under the tax threshold.
?? WTF are you talking about?? If that $4 mill keeps them from getting a player then that is on Hal, not Gardner.
Yeah that comment didn’t make any sense. Yankees were $11 million under luxury tax, they spent $4 mm on Gardy.
$7 million is enough for additional moves. Especially as they’d likely add mid-season and only be responsible for partial salary
I keep reading "turn the page",he's 37 blah,blah,blah. He only played 49 games last year,not a true representation of who he is/was. If you turn the page back to 2019,the last full season,he hit 28 HRs & 74 RBI.He's still,by far,the best defensive CF on the team. (I know many of you love Hicks & his lifetime .235 BA,because he walks a lot-his one major attribute,but he's,at best,an average defensive CF). Now,ideally, he gets 300-350 ABs this year.We all want Clint to start & Clint hits RHPs well. So,Hicks could be the guy Gardy replaces in certain situations(along with Hicks being injured at some point-it's an annual event!)For those who want to nitpick about the $$$,it's actually $6.5 million total-the $2.5 million buyout included! A leader in the clubhouse & on the field-Welcome Back Gardy!!!
He's going to be a 900 OPS for years? How? His MiLB OPS was 800. In 2019 he had an MLB OPS of 855. He's a good hitter but he never walks so his OBP is low and his slider recognition is Sanchez like.
If he could play any position at a reasonable MLB level I would see the point but there's no place to hide him. IMO the best course of action for the Yankees in 2021 with him is to get him some ABs and hopefully he hits and then trade him over the winter when the NL has a DH too.
RE: RE: Said there was never a doubt months ago because
?? WTF are you talking about?? If that $4 mill keeps them from getting a player then that is on Hal, not Gardner.
Of course Gardner doesn't set the policy. But the theme of the off-season, including giving Ottavino and a prospect to the Sox for nothing but salary relief, is that Yanks are aiming to stay under the threshold.
And let's consider the roster now, subject to the 26 man limit.
That means a four man bench; BUC, Wade, Gardner, Tauchman?
Tauchman is out of options, so that's two guys who can't be sent to the minors and can't flex between infield and outfield.
No room for Andujar or Ford. And what if you get a day-to-day injury to an infielder?
They could release Tauchman but then you're cutting the guy who is seven years younger.
Far from ideal.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Said there was never a doubt months ago because
Yeah that comment didn’t make any sense. Yankees were $11 million under luxury tax, they spent $4 mm on Gardy.
$7 million is enough for additional moves. Especially as they’d likely add mid-season and only be responsible for partial salary
You're not counting Wilson, from what I've read. It's $5M or less.
Word is that for Wilson and o’Day, the Yanks used some “creative” contracts to limit the cap hit, so it won’t be a straight $5M hit. its reportedly around $2-3M.
He's going to be a 900 OPS for years? How? His MiLB OPS was 800. In 2019 he had an MLB OPS of 855. He's a good hitter but he never walks so his OBP is low and his slider recognition is Sanchez like.
If he could play any position at a reasonable MLB level I would see the point but there's no place to hide him. IMO the best course of action for the Yankees in 2021 with him is to get him some ABs and hopefully he hits and then trade him over the winter when the NL has a DH too.
Andujar is going to AAA. He has a minor league option remaining.
The Yanks need him to prove 1) he’s healthy, 2) he can still hit, 3) still has power and 4) can play 3B. if he can do those things, he becomes a valuable trade asset at the deadline, while simultaneously serving as a ready replacement if something were to happen with Gio.
But we should have turned the page on him a couple of years ago.
Why, is there someone better that can play all three OF positions and at least grind out and at bat?
He needs to be 4th OF only. He and Tauchman can rotate around to keep Judge and Hicks fresh.
I think this spells the end for Tauchman with the Yanks. Remember that Tauchman has no minor league options remaining.
In short, the Yanks can’t send him to the minors without him passing through waivers. Someone would likely claim him. Signing Gardner allows the Yanks to move on early.
I suspect that the Yanks want Tauchman to show something in ST so that they can trade him for some minor leaguer rather than just release him.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Said there was never a doubt months ago because
Word is that for Wilson and o’Day, the Yanks used some “creative” contracts to limit the cap hit, so it won’t be a straight $5M hit. its reportedly around $2-3M.
Understand that, thanks. I wasn't saying that Wilson would be a $5M hit but that his hit would reduce the $7M tax "cushion" mfsd mentioned to $5M or less.
Yeah that comment didn’t make any sense. Yankees were $11 million under luxury tax, they spent $4 mm on Gardy.
$7 million is enough for additional moves. Especially as they’d likely add mid-season and only be responsible for partial salary
You're not counting Wilson, from what I've read. It's $5M or less.
Interesting, I usually go by spotrac. Just checked again, they show Wilson on the roster but not with a salary number counting against threshold yet. So you are correct, whatever he’s getting paid this year does count against the $7 I had remaining after Gardy signing
because he has great speed, great D at multiple positions and he will backup Hicks and Frazier nicely. I saw so little out of Tauchman last year that this needed to get done.
289/389/360. He would be the perfect , affordable 30 year old to spot for Frazier . Re-signing Gardy was a mistake . And I was a supporter of his when most Yankee fans thought he was the next Larry Linz or Garry Pettit .
Gardner is past it . My guess is this is an overreaction to the injury history of Hicks , Judge and Stanton . In my opinion , the Bruce signing was gratuitous . They are a short a left-handed bat . But these are signings that complicate matters. Neither Bruce nor Gardner can handle a 200 AB season . But Tauchman can .
289/389/360. He would be the perfect , affordable 30 year old to spot for Frazier . Re-signing Gardy was a mistake . And I was a supporter of his when most Yankee fans thought he was the next Larry Linz or Garry Pettit .
Gardner is past it . My guess is this is an overreaction to the injury history of Hicks , Judge and Stanton . In my opinion , the Bruce signing was gratuitous . They are a short a left-handed bat . But these are signings that complicate matters. Neither Bruce nor Gardner can handle a 200 AB season . But Tauchman can .
Yep. Gardner's sell by date was 2 or 3 years ago and he is hopeless in the playoffs.
289/389/360. He would be the perfect , affordable 30 year old to spot for Frazier . Re-signing Gardy was a mistake . And I was a supporter of his when most Yankee fans thought he was the next Larry Linz or Garry Pettit .
Gardner is past it . My guess is this is an overreaction to the injury history of Hicks , Judge and Stanton . In my opinion , the Bruce signing was gratuitous . They are a short a left-handed bat . But these are signings that complicate matters. Neither Bruce nor Gardner can handle a 200 AB season . But Tauchman can .
Yep. Gardner's sell by date was 2 or 3 years ago and he is hopeless in the playoffs.
Gardy was 7 for 19 (.368) with a double, HR, and 4 walks in 6 playoff games last year.
If that’s “hopeless in the playoffs”, we’ll take more of it all day long
289/389/360. He would be the perfect , affordable 30 year old to spot for Frazier . Re-signing Gardy was a mistake . And I was a supporter of his when most Yankee fans thought he was the next Larry Linz or Garry Pettit .
Gardner is past it . My guess is this is an overreaction to the injury history of Hicks , Judge and Stanton . In my opinion , the Bruce signing was gratuitous . They are a short a left-handed bat . But these are signings that complicate matters. Neither Bruce nor Gardner can handle a 200 AB season . But Tauchman can .
Yep. Gardner's sell by date was 2 or 3 years ago and he is hopeless in the playoffs.
Gardy was 7 for 19 (.368) with a double, HR, and 4 walks in 6 playoff games last year.
If that’s “hopeless in the playoffs”, we’ll take more of it all day long
HomerJones is a must ignore. He doesn’t even believe anything he says. He’s trolling. He hates everything any of his supposed favorite teams do, literally everything. And is somehow incredibly complimentary of anything any other team in baseball or football do. As long as they aren’t the Yankees or Giants, everything is sunshine and roses.
If Grady signed with the Red Sox for $15 Million per year, HomerJones would be lauding them for such a fantastic signing and killing the Yankees for letting him go. He’d then point to Gardys very good post season last season as proof of how clutch he is.
And still think he can be a contributor, BUT his signing is IMO a sign of weakness indicating the Yanks had no youngsters they believe in yet to play the outfield and bring a productive bat to the line-up.
And still think he can be a contributor, BUT his signing is IMO a sign of weakness indicating the Yanks had no youngsters they believe in yet to play the outfield and bring a productive bat to the line-up.
I only partially agree with this take.
Remember that the minor league seasons got wiped out last year. If anything, it would be a better use of the Yanks younger OF time to get regular ABs in AAA and AA this year, rather than sit on the bench and waste a second straight year.
On the other hand, there is real validity to the point that the Yanks don't have a lot of position prospects in AA and AAA that project to be contributing players in NY. Some of the guys closest to the bigs got taken in Rule 5 and signed elsewhere in minor league FA.
I also do wonder whether the Yanks themselves are not sure what they have right now in the younger players who were not in the alternate camp last year, so they are going with vets who played last year. I wonder if there will be a mid-season re-evaluation on what they have in the minors once they have time to assess play and progress in the spring and summer.
How many on the roster this year? Is it 26 instead of 25?
Yes. (Unless they go with a larger roster for COVID like last year. Wouldn't be surprising to at least start the year wthat way, but nothing's been announced).
OK, so name your 26! I'll take a shot.
5 OF - Judge, Hicks, Clint, backed by Gardy and Tauch
6 IF - Gio, Torres, DJLM, Voit, backed by Wade and Ford
3 C - Sanchez, Higgy, Chirinos
5 SP - Cole, Kluber, Monty, Devi, Taillon
7 RP - Chappy, Britton, Loisaiga, Green, Wilson, German, O'Day
My take on a 26 man roster, based on what Boone appears to want and the Yanks front office has telegraphed in their moves this offseason:
OF (5): Judge, Hicks, Frazier, Gardner and Stanton (even though he's a DH, counting him as an OF)
INF (6): Urshela, Torres, DJLM, Voit, Wade, Derek Dietrich (who can play 1B, 2B, 3B and OF- and is a lefty bat with power)
C (2): Sanchez, Higashioka
SP (5): Cole, Kluber, Taillon, Montgomery, German
RP (8): Chapman, Britton, O'Day, Green, Wilson, Loiasiga, Cessa and Adam Warren
My thinking above is that the Yanks know that they will use the AA shuttle a LOT this season, so the opening day 26 isn't set in stone- its just where they start the season.
I also suspect that guys like Dietrich and Wade may only be stop gaps and may rotate on and off the roster
I don't think they will use 3 C to start the season- they probably want the extra bullpen arm.
I think that they want to manage the workload of their young pitchers, so we see a lot of moving up and down by King, Nelson, Garcia, Schmidt and vets guys like Nestor Cortes, Jhouyls Chacin, Nick Goody, and Asher Woj- among others.
We also need to keep in mind that Severino will return from TJ sometime in July or so.
My guess is that once they get through April and the SP get stretched out some, that they will juggle the roster based on the teams they are playing that week- some weeks more bullpen arms, others more bats on the bench.
And still think he can be a contributor, BUT his signing is IMO a sign of weakness indicating the Yanks had no youngsters they believe in yet to play the outfield and bring a productive bat to the line-up.
I only partially agree with this take.
Remember that the minor league seasons got wiped out last year. If anything, it would be a better use of the Yanks younger OF time to get regular ABs in AAA and AA this year, rather than sit on the bench and waste a second straight year.
On the other hand, there is real validity to the point that the Yanks don't have a lot of position prospects in AA and AAA that project to be contributing players in NY. Some of the guys closest to the bigs got taken in Rule 5 and signed elsewhere in minor league FA.
I also do wonder whether the Yanks themselves are not sure what they have right now in the younger players who were not in the alternate camp last year, so they are going with vets who played last year. I wonder if there will be a mid-season re-evaluation on what they have in the minors once they have time to assess play and progress in the spring and summer.
This is a really interesting post and point rich, and I think played into their plans for the bullpen too. Although we have a lot of big young arms in the org, most of them had a serious disruption to their development last season. Cashman brought in O’Day and Wilson to complement Chapman, Britton, Green and the other vets for the same reason you refer to about position players. Better to give the youngsters time to get back on track in the minors with regular work
Why, is there someone better that can play all three OF positions and at least grind out and at bat?
He needs to be 4th OF only. He and Tauchman can rotate around to keep Judge and Hicks fresh.
It seems clear Frazier is the starting LF now, but between rest days and risk of injuries to Frazier and Hicks, I think Gardy will prove valuable once again
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But we should have turned the page on him a couple of years ago.
Why, is there someone better that can play all three OF positions and at least grind out and at bat?
He needs to be 4th OF only. He and Tauchman can rotate around to keep Judge and Hicks fresh.
He is an injury replacement level player imo. His bat is not what it once was. I am not the biggest Red Thunder fan but he has shown more recently. Tauchman is a better player. Hell, Maybin was better a couple of years ago. Gardner seems like he is kept around more for nostalgia reasons than production reasons. Cashman was doing a great job finding lower priced players like Maybin and Tauchman that provide more than Gardner has. Just my opinion. I feel like Gardner could be upgraded for a couple of years now.
If Tauchman comes back strong and earns his ABs, all the better
Seems like the team is set now. Let’s go!
Fine if he's a hedge against injury or Tauchman washing out, I guess. But he shouldn't see regular playing time anymore.
Frazier is ahead of him on the depth chart. (If in fact he takes material time away from Frazier, I think we'd all agree it's a bad move). Tauchman was better than Gardner in 2019. He was worse than him last year, and while he's young, his history suggests 2019 is more likely the outlier than 2020. Maybin was a stroke of luck - his performance here was a huge outlier for him.
Of course Gardner's no great shakes, but for a backup outfielder, you're not going to find a low level journeyman who comes that cheap and gives you materially better production. (Unless you get very lucky, like we did with Maybin). And assuming they use Gardner the way they should, it doesn't make much sense to use an inexpensive developmental player in that role, rather than letting them play regularly in the minors. Gardner makes as much sense as anyone for this role.
Fine if he's a hedge against injury or Tauchman washing out, I guess. But he shouldn't see regular playing time anymore.
Seems like the team is set now. Let’s go!
How many on the roster this year? Is it 26 instead of 25?
Yes. (Unless they go with a larger roster for COVID like last year. Wouldn't be surprising to at least start the year wthat way, but nothing's been announced).
He is an injury replacement level player imo. His bat is not what it once was. I am not the biggest Red Thunder fan but he has shown more recently. Tauchman is a better player. Hell, Maybin was better a couple of years ago. Gardner seems like he is kept around more for nostalgia reasons than production reasons. Cashman was doing a great job finding lower priced players like Maybin and Tauchman that provide more than Gardner has. Just my opinion. I feel like Gardner could be upgraded for a couple of years now.
He is not the starter in LF, Frazier is.
Gardner is still a better OF than everyone on the team except for Judge and maybe Hicks. That is not injury level. No his bat was not its usual self last year and it could be the end. Tauchman is maybe as good as Gardner in the OF but with a better arm now. Gardner is still better at the plate than Tauchman as per last season.
I like Tauchman and actually I would have him as the 4th OF unless his bat is sub-Mendoza line again.
Gardner is not holding anybody back. If Florial starts to figure it out they can either trade Gardner or release him if his bat is dead - and it did not look healthy last season.
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How many on the roster this year? Is it 26 instead of 25?
Yes. (Unless they go with a larger roster for COVID like last year. Wouldn't be surprising to at least start the year wthat way, but nothing's been announced).
OK, so name your 26! I'll take a shot.
5 OF - Judge, Hicks, Clint, backed by Gardy and Tauch
6 IF - Gio, Torres, DJLM, Voit, backed by Wade and Ford
3 C - Sanchez, Higgy, Chirinos
5 SP - Cole, Kluber, Monty, Devi, Taillon
7 RP - Chappy, Britton, Loisaiga, Green, Wilson, German, O'Day
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How many on the roster this year? Is it 26 instead of 25?
Yes. (Unless they go with a larger roster for COVID like last year. Wouldn't be surprising to at least start the year wthat way, but nothing's been announced).
OK, so name your 26! I'll take a shot.
5 OF - Judge, Hicks, Clint, backed by Gardy and Tauch
6 IF - Gio, Torres, DJLM, Voit, backed by Wade and Ford
3 C - Sanchez, Higgy, Chirinos
5 SP - Cole, Kluber, Monty, Devi, Taillon
7 RP - Chappy, Britton, Loisaiga, Green, Wilson, German, O'Day
Davidoff I think said 14 pitchers and 3 bench. I think it will be 13 1ne 13>
OF - Judge, Hicks, Frazier, Gardy, Tauchman (5)
IF - Voit, DJLM, Torres, Gio, Wade (5)
C - Sanchez, Higashioka, (2)
DH - Stanton (1)
SP - Cole, Kluber, Taillon, German, Montgomery (5)
RP - Chapman, Britton, Green, Loisiga, Wilson, O'Day, Cessa, Nelson (8)
26
They may keep either Schmidt or Garcia up for April until arms get stretched a bit.
Good question about Andujar.
Huh? Tauchman is probably a plus OF with terrific speed.
Miguel is a very good hitter with no position. There are several DHs on the team Stanton, Voit, Sanchez, Torres, DJLM already. They all have positions (yes Stanton is a good OF if needed).
I like Miggy but where does he play?
From a roster management perspective, this takes away any flexibility the Yanks will have to make a move at the trade deadline and stay under the tax threshold.
And Gardner will be on the field and getting his swings in October, book it. Cashman is bringing him back to go out with a WS and he's not going to want him on the bench for it.
Boone will whine behind the scenes but he knows who holds the keys to his employment.
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Andujar makes Tauchman redundant
Huh? Tauchman is probably a plus OF with terrific speed.
Miguel is a very good hitter with no position. There are several DHs on the team Stanton, Voit, Sanchez, Torres, DJLM already. They all have positions (yes Stanton is a good OF if needed).
I like Miggy but where does he play?
I love Miggy but I hope he rakes in the spring and we can move him for fair value. He has no chance at playing on this team in 2021 unless there are significant injuries.
From a roster management perspective, this takes away any flexibility the Yanks will have to make a move at the trade deadline and stay under the tax threshold.
?? WTF are you talking about?? If that $4 mill keeps them from getting a player then that is on Hal, not Gardner.
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From a roster management perspective, this takes away any flexibility the Yanks will have to make a move at the trade deadline and stay under the tax threshold.
?? WTF are you talking about?? If that $4 mill keeps them from getting a player then that is on Hal, not Gardner.
Yeah that comment didn’t make any sense. Yankees were $11 million under luxury tax, they spent $4 mm on Gardy.
$7 million is enough for additional moves. Especially as they’d likely add mid-season and only be responsible for partial salary
Yeah that comment didn’t make any sense. Yankees were $11 million under luxury tax, they spent $4 mm on Gardy.
$7 million is enough for additional moves. Especially as they’d likely add mid-season and only be responsible for partial salary
You're not counting Wilson, from what I've read. It's $5M or less.
If he could play any position at a reasonable MLB level I would see the point but there's no place to hide him. IMO the best course of action for the Yankees in 2021 with him is to get him some ABs and hopefully he hits and then trade him over the winter when the NL has a DH too.
?? WTF are you talking about?? If that $4 mill keeps them from getting a player then that is on Hal, not Gardner.
Of course Gardner doesn't set the policy. But the theme of the off-season, including giving Ottavino and a prospect to the Sox for nothing but salary relief, is that Yanks are aiming to stay under the threshold.
And let's consider the roster now, subject to the 26 man limit.
That means a four man bench; BUC, Wade, Gardner, Tauchman?
Tauchman is out of options, so that's two guys who can't be sent to the minors and can't flex between infield and outfield.
No room for Andujar or Ford. And what if you get a day-to-day injury to an infielder?
They could release Tauchman but then you're cutting the guy who is seven years younger.
Far from ideal.
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Yeah that comment didn’t make any sense. Yankees were $11 million under luxury tax, they spent $4 mm on Gardy.
$7 million is enough for additional moves. Especially as they’d likely add mid-season and only be responsible for partial salary
You're not counting Wilson, from what I've read. It's $5M or less.
Word is that for Wilson and o’Day, the Yanks used some “creative” contracts to limit the cap hit, so it won’t be a straight $5M hit. its reportedly around $2-3M.
If he could play any position at a reasonable MLB level I would see the point but there's no place to hide him. IMO the best course of action for the Yankees in 2021 with him is to get him some ABs and hopefully he hits and then trade him over the winter when the NL has a DH too.
Andujar is going to AAA. He has a minor league option remaining.
The Yanks need him to prove 1) he’s healthy, 2) he can still hit, 3) still has power and 4) can play 3B. if he can do those things, he becomes a valuable trade asset at the deadline, while simultaneously serving as a ready replacement if something were to happen with Gio.
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But we should have turned the page on him a couple of years ago.
Why, is there someone better that can play all three OF positions and at least grind out and at bat?
He needs to be 4th OF only. He and Tauchman can rotate around to keep Judge and Hicks fresh.
I think this spells the end for Tauchman with the Yanks. Remember that Tauchman has no minor league options remaining.
In short, the Yanks can’t send him to the minors without him passing through waivers. Someone would likely claim him. Signing Gardner allows the Yanks to move on early.
I suspect that the Yanks want Tauchman to show something in ST so that they can trade him for some minor leaguer rather than just release him.
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In comment 15157579 mfsd said:
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Word is that for Wilson and o’Day, the Yanks used some “creative” contracts to limit the cap hit, so it won’t be a straight $5M hit. its reportedly around $2-3M.
Understand that, thanks. I wasn't saying that Wilson would be a $5M hit but that his hit would reduce the $7M tax "cushion" mfsd mentioned to $5M or less.
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Meh
Fine if he's a hedge against injury or Tauchman washing out, I guess. But he shouldn't see regular playing time anymore.
pretty much the case. Would have been fine with cutting loose too.
It's probably mutual.
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Yeah that comment didn’t make any sense. Yankees were $11 million under luxury tax, they spent $4 mm on Gardy.
$7 million is enough for additional moves. Especially as they’d likely add mid-season and only be responsible for partial salary
You're not counting Wilson, from what I've read. It's $5M or less.
Interesting, I usually go by spotrac. Just checked again, they show Wilson on the roster but not with a salary number counting against threshold yet. So you are correct, whatever he’s getting paid this year does count against the $7 I had remaining after Gardy signing
Keeping Gardy is great news!
Gardner is past it . My guess is this is an overreaction to the injury history of Hicks , Judge and Stanton . In my opinion , the Bruce signing was gratuitous . They are a short a left-handed bat . But these are signings that complicate matters. Neither Bruce nor Gardner can handle a 200 AB season . But Tauchman can .
Gardner is past it . My guess is this is an overreaction to the injury history of Hicks , Judge and Stanton . In my opinion , the Bruce signing was gratuitous . They are a short a left-handed bat . But these are signings that complicate matters. Neither Bruce nor Gardner can handle a 200 AB season . But Tauchman can .
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289/389/360. He would be the perfect , affordable 30 year old to spot for Frazier . Re-signing Gardy was a mistake . And I was a supporter of his when most Yankee fans thought he was the next Larry Linz or Garry Pettit .
Gardner is past it . My guess is this is an overreaction to the injury history of Hicks , Judge and Stanton . In my opinion , the Bruce signing was gratuitous . They are a short a left-handed bat . But these are signings that complicate matters. Neither Bruce nor Gardner can handle a 200 AB season . But Tauchman can .
Yep. Gardner's sell by date was 2 or 3 years ago and he is hopeless in the playoffs.
Gardy was 7 for 19 (.368) with a double, HR, and 4 walks in 6 playoff games last year.
If that’s “hopeless in the playoffs”, we’ll take more of it all day long
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289/389/360. He would be the perfect , affordable 30 year old to spot for Frazier . Re-signing Gardy was a mistake . And I was a supporter of his when most Yankee fans thought he was the next Larry Linz or Garry Pettit .
Gardner is past it . My guess is this is an overreaction to the injury history of Hicks , Judge and Stanton . In my opinion , the Bruce signing was gratuitous . They are a short a left-handed bat . But these are signings that complicate matters. Neither Bruce nor Gardner can handle a 200 AB season . But Tauchman can .
Yep. Gardner's sell by date was 2 or 3 years ago and he is hopeless in the playoffs.
Gardy was 7 for 19 (.368) with a double, HR, and 4 walks in 6 playoff games last year.
If that’s “hopeless in the playoffs”, we’ll take more of it all day long
HomerJones is a must ignore. He doesn’t even believe anything he says. He’s trolling. He hates everything any of his supposed favorite teams do, literally everything. And is somehow incredibly complimentary of anything any other team in baseball or football do. As long as they aren’t the Yankees or Giants, everything is sunshine and roses.
If Grady signed with the Red Sox for $15 Million per year, HomerJones would be lauding them for such a fantastic signing and killing the Yankees for letting him go. He’d then point to Gardys very good post season last season as proof of how clutch he is.
And still think he can be a contributor, BUT his signing is IMO a sign of weakness indicating the Yanks had no youngsters they believe in yet to play the outfield and bring a productive bat to the line-up.
And still think he can be a contributor, BUT his signing is IMO a sign of weakness indicating the Yanks had no youngsters they believe in yet to play the outfield and bring a productive bat to the line-up.
I only partially agree with this take.
Remember that the minor league seasons got wiped out last year. If anything, it would be a better use of the Yanks younger OF time to get regular ABs in AAA and AA this year, rather than sit on the bench and waste a second straight year.
On the other hand, there is real validity to the point that the Yanks don't have a lot of position prospects in AA and AAA that project to be contributing players in NY. Some of the guys closest to the bigs got taken in Rule 5 and signed elsewhere in minor league FA.
I also do wonder whether the Yanks themselves are not sure what they have right now in the younger players who were not in the alternate camp last year, so they are going with vets who played last year. I wonder if there will be a mid-season re-evaluation on what they have in the minors once they have time to assess play and progress in the spring and summer.
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In comment 15157481 Del Shofner said:
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How many on the roster this year? Is it 26 instead of 25?
Yes. (Unless they go with a larger roster for COVID like last year. Wouldn't be surprising to at least start the year wthat way, but nothing's been announced).
OK, so name your 26! I'll take a shot.
5 OF - Judge, Hicks, Clint, backed by Gardy and Tauch
6 IF - Gio, Torres, DJLM, Voit, backed by Wade and Ford
3 C - Sanchez, Higgy, Chirinos
5 SP - Cole, Kluber, Monty, Devi, Taillon
7 RP - Chappy, Britton, Loisaiga, Green, Wilson, German, O'Day
My take on a 26 man roster, based on what Boone appears to want and the Yanks front office has telegraphed in their moves this offseason:
OF (5): Judge, Hicks, Frazier, Gardner and Stanton (even though he's a DH, counting him as an OF)
INF (6): Urshela, Torres, DJLM, Voit, Wade, Derek Dietrich (who can play 1B, 2B, 3B and OF- and is a lefty bat with power)
C (2): Sanchez, Higashioka
SP (5): Cole, Kluber, Taillon, Montgomery, German
RP (8): Chapman, Britton, O'Day, Green, Wilson, Loiasiga, Cessa and Adam Warren
My thinking above is that the Yanks know that they will use the AA shuttle a LOT this season, so the opening day 26 isn't set in stone- its just where they start the season.
I also suspect that guys like Dietrich and Wade may only be stop gaps and may rotate on and off the roster
I don't think they will use 3 C to start the season- they probably want the extra bullpen arm.
I think that they want to manage the workload of their young pitchers, so we see a lot of moving up and down by King, Nelson, Garcia, Schmidt and vets guys like Nestor Cortes, Jhouyls Chacin, Nick Goody, and Asher Woj- among others.
We also need to keep in mind that Severino will return from TJ sometime in July or so.
My guess is that once they get through April and the SP get stretched out some, that they will juggle the roster based on the teams they are playing that week- some weeks more bullpen arms, others more bats on the bench.
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And still think he can be a contributor, BUT his signing is IMO a sign of weakness indicating the Yanks had no youngsters they believe in yet to play the outfield and bring a productive bat to the line-up.
I only partially agree with this take.
Remember that the minor league seasons got wiped out last year. If anything, it would be a better use of the Yanks younger OF time to get regular ABs in AAA and AA this year, rather than sit on the bench and waste a second straight year.
On the other hand, there is real validity to the point that the Yanks don't have a lot of position prospects in AA and AAA that project to be contributing players in NY. Some of the guys closest to the bigs got taken in Rule 5 and signed elsewhere in minor league FA.
I also do wonder whether the Yanks themselves are not sure what they have right now in the younger players who were not in the alternate camp last year, so they are going with vets who played last year. I wonder if there will be a mid-season re-evaluation on what they have in the minors once they have time to assess play and progress in the spring and summer.
This is a really interesting post and point rich, and I think played into their plans for the bullpen too. Although we have a lot of big young arms in the org, most of them had a serious disruption to their development last season. Cashman brought in O’Day and Wilson to complement Chapman, Britton, Green and the other vets for the same reason you refer to about position players. Better to give the youngsters time to get back on track in the minors with regular work