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pjcas18 : 2/20/2021 11:13 am
haven't talked hockey in a while, thought maybe time for a thread.

I have seen some pictures from Lake Tahoe, initially I was a naysayer, not going to lie. Felt like the Winter Classic is cool, one outdoor game is enough, then I saw the pictures. This is more like Mystery Alaska than a winter classic. It looks awesome and I would love to play in conditions like this or attend the game.

Though they had to move the game time up an hour or two for tomorrow's Bruins and Flyers because it was going to be too sunny. lol. - Golden Knights vs Avs should be good for today, but I guess we'll find out.

I skated outdoors in Sweden on outdoor rink in an International tournament that was a fraction as picturesque as this, though it snowed during my game.

General hockey: I read teams are treating the trade deadline very differently because of COVID (captain obvious?) especially when it involves US and Canadian teams. We already saw one trade (Laine for Dubois) and the quarantine time is a factor.

Picture  
pjcas18 : 2/20/2021 11:14 am : link
from today's skate before AV's Golden Knights.

Hopefully this leads to more games like this  
theold5j : 2/20/2021 11:21 am : link
There has to be a lot of places they can make this happen. Central Park NYC.
Tahoe is  
seanr : 2/20/2021 11:22 am : link
One of the most beautiful places in the USA!
Yep saw those pics tweeted out yesterday  
Stu11 : 2/20/2021 11:50 am : link
With the caption: "RIP outdoor hockey games in football stadiums. You had a good run..." lol
Definitely  
pjcas18 : 2/20/2021 11:52 am : link
agree venues like this should be the place for future winter classics (or at least an annual outdoor game).

And I have to believe the game would be better (for fans) than being crammed into a baseball or football stadium with terrible site lines.

though the revenue wouldn't be nearly the same so this year with COVID and no or very few fans was perfect for something like this.

I hope they continue to find places like this for games.
Wow that looks great,  
Mad Mike : 2/20/2021 11:53 am : link
thanks for posting.
RE: Wow that looks great,  
pjcas18 : 2/20/2021 12:02 pm : link
In comment 15157685 Mad Mike said:
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thanks for posting.


happy to do it.

more pictures:



PJ that first pic at the top should be the new Avs logo  
Stu11 : 2/20/2021 12:08 pm : link
:-)
RE: PJ that first pic at the top should be the new Avs logo  
pjcas18 : 2/20/2021 12:13 pm : link
In comment 15157691 Stu11 said:
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I saw a game at their home rink when I was out in Denver. Good time, but they should move to Tahoe, this looks awesome.
That’s awesome  
Jay on the Island : 2/20/2021 12:23 pm : link
Outdoor games are always great and Lake Tahoe was a great decision by the league.
The ice...  
JohnG in Albany : 2/20/2021 12:38 pm : link
looks pretty thin on the lake. *grin*
They can do a National Park Series  
theold5j : 2/20/2021 12:43 pm : link
Imagine some of the back drops.
What an awesome view.  
BrettNYG10 : 2/20/2021 3:13 pm : link
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They playing that at the Corleone compound?  
Greg from LI : 2/20/2021 3:32 pm : link
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RE: They playing that at the Corleone compound?  
pjcas18 : 2/20/2021 3:39 pm : link
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I don't think so, it's on a golf course. I guess it's possible, but I don't think so.
that  
pjcas18 : 2/20/2021 3:48 pm : link
ice looks terrible.

That sun is going to be a problem the 2nd/3rd periods.
Game delayed.  
BrettNYG10 : 2/20/2021 4:29 pm : link
Boo.
Wow. Those photos are  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/20/2021 4:41 pm : link
Awesome!
Do they have lights to play at night  
Rick in Dallas : 2/20/2021 4:44 pm : link
much better ice...
RE: Do they have lights to play at night  
pjcas18 : 2/20/2021 4:46 pm : link
In comment 15157854 Rick in Dallas said:
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much better ice...


I think so, I read they may come back tonight and play or finish up early tomorrow - should know soon if they're not going to restart now and if not when.

if they can come back tonight, no idea why they didn't just play at night for the Saturday game.
Never been to Lake Tahoe  
Rick in Dallas : 2/20/2021 4:49 pm : link
It looks beautiful
pj because it's a promotional event and they have to show the  
gtt350 : 2/20/2021 4:50 pm : link
scenery live. Good thing no one got injured
RE: pj because it's a promotional event and they have to show the  
pjcas18 : 2/20/2021 4:52 pm : link
In comment 15157859 gtt350 said:
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scenery live. Good thing no one got injured



there's 2 games, tomorrow can be the "day shots", I bet it looks beautiful at night too.
Tomorrow's game has already been moved to 7pm  
Stu11 : 2/20/2021 4:55 pm : link
No word on finishing this one today or later tonight. Love Devs being moved up to NBC at 2pm tomorrow. Can't remember the last time they played on NBC national.
Game resuming  
pjcas18 : 2/20/2021 8:54 pm : link
at midnight (ET).

Kind of cool, but also kind of a shit show.
Friedman  
pjcas18 : 2/20/2021 8:59 pm : link
says Preds on the verge of a fire sale, 3 untouchables, Josi, Rinne, and a 3rd name I didn't catch (Tolvanen?).

I'd like Forsberg or Fabbro.

Also said league talking about moving the draft
Also  
pjcas18 : 2/20/2021 9:00 pm : link
I sometimes feel like Auston Matthews is better than Connor McDavid.

McDavid just doesn't have the shot and body type Matthews does. McDavid a ridiculous skater, but Matthews is more lemieux-like and McDavid not quite Gretzky enough to put distance between the two.

RE: Friedman  
pjcas18 : 2/20/2021 9:02 pm : link
In comment 15157943 pjcas18 said:
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says Preds on the verge of a fire sale, 3 untouchables, Josi, Rinne, and a 3rd name I didn't catch (Tolvanen?).

I'd like Forsberg or Fabbro.

Also said league talking about moving the draft


Ryan Ellis is the 3rd NSH untouchable.
McDavid also sucks defensively.  
BrettNYG10 : 2/20/2021 9:04 pm : link
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RE: McDavid also sucks defensively.  
pjcas18 : 2/20/2021 9:09 pm : link
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yeah, but then McDavid does something that changes my mind.

though it's been all Matthews lately.

You had MacKinnon, McDavid and Matthews #1 overall in 3 out of 4 years. In between Ekblad - good player, but man you get that top pick some years and you get rewarded, other times not so much.
Adam Henrique was put on waivers  
Anakim : 2/20/2021 9:30 pm : link
He'd instantly step into the Rangers lineup and be their best C. But Henrique is Devil trash and his contract is gross.
Since we are speaking of Tahoe...  
BillKo : 2/20/2021 9:38 pm : link
...if you enjoy hiking, try to get there. It's spectacular.

I went in August, not being a skier.

So it was 2002, and of course did stay on the South side and near the casinos too. I think it was Diana Ross who was supposed to have a show, but had to check into drug rehab....so Norm McDonald and Kevin Neelan filled in that night. I got tickets and went......was hiliarious!!! And I think Neelan was the better of the two.

I didn't realize this, but if they continue to have trouble with  
Mad Mike : 2/20/2021 9:51 pm : link
the weather, they only have to complete the 2nd period for it to be an official game. If they stop it at any point after the end of the 2nd and it's tied, it will end in a tie and they'll either do the shootout then, or if the ice is too bad to even do that, they'll make up the shootout when Vegas visits Colorado on Monday.
RE: I didn't realize this, but if they continue to have trouble with  
pjcas18 : 2/20/2021 10:05 pm : link
In comment 15157965 Mad Mike said:
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the weather, they only have to complete the 2nd period for it to be an official game. If they stop it at any point after the end of the 2nd and it's tied, it will end in a tie and they'll either do the shootout then, or if the ice is too bad to even do that, they'll make up the shootout when Vegas visits Colorado on Monday.


Yeah, I didn't realize it either (2 periods is an official game), I learned it in between periods of the habs game.
RE: RE: McDavid also sucks defensively.  
BrettNYG10 : 2/20/2021 10:30 pm : link
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yeah, but then McDavid does something that changes my mind.

though it's been all Matthews lately.

You had MacKinnon, McDavid and Matthews #1 overall in 3 out of 4 years. In between Ekblad - good player, but man you get that top pick some years and you get rewarded, other times not so much.


I take McDavid, but maybe I'm biased because he's so exciting.

Crosby is the best post lockout IMO. More complete player. But he's not the most exciting to me.

Friedman made comments about McDavid giving Holland two years to show they're moving in the right direction. If they get bounced in the first round, or even miss the playoffs, does he ask for a trade?
This will sure test the guys  
Bill in UT : 2/21/2021 12:26 am : link
who have been told they couldn't put the puck in ocean from the end of a pier
I thought I caught a glimpse of Fredo’s ghost watching from afar ...  
Spider56 : 2/21/2021 8:10 am : link
Seriously, great venue, great pics ...
RE: RE: RE: McDavid also sucks defensively.  
pjcas18 : 2/21/2021 8:47 am : link
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yeah, but then McDavid does something that changes my mind.

though it's been all Matthews lately.

You had MacKinnon, McDavid and Matthews #1 overall in 3 out of 4 years. In between Ekblad - good player, but man you get that top pick some years and you get rewarded, other times not so much.



I take McDavid, but maybe I'm biased because he's so exciting.

Crosby is the best post lockout IMO. More complete player. But he's not the most exciting to me.

Friedman made comments about McDavid giving Holland two years to show they're moving in the right direction. If they get bounced in the first round, or even miss the playoffs, does he ask for a trade?


Right after I posted this I switched to the Edmonton game. lol. McDavid put on a clinic. They're so different (McDavid and Matthews) - and almost like Gretzky and Lemieux but not quite - anyway I probably take McDavid too, I think almost everyone does, but there are games I watch Matthew (like last night) and he does things no one else in the league does. His shot release is so deceptive and almost never from the same place. he's got great hands for someone his size and great skater - but man McDavid was incredible last night. Fun team to watch.
What a sequence by Jack Hughes  
pjcas18 : 2/21/2021 3:32 pm : link
controlling puck in offensive zone, tries to do a little too much, gets puck taken away, from behind the play catches Nick Dowd in the d-zone, and turns him over, transitions the play, gets in the play offensively gets the pass and scores.

Year 1 to year 2 improvement in Hughes is MASSIVE.
RE: What a sequence by Jack Hughes  
Stu11 : 2/21/2021 4:04 pm : link
In comment 15158243 pjcas18 said:
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controlling puck in offensive zone, tries to do a little too much, gets puck taken away, from behind the play catches Nick Dowd in the d-zone, and turns him over, transitions the play, gets in the play offensively gets the pass and scores.

Year 1 to year 2 improvement in Hughes is MASSIVE.

He had a similiar play the other night in Boston. Didn't score, but turned it over at the blue line was way out of the play and raced down and back checked Pasternack at the last second when he was lined up for a great scoring chance. He really is going to be a star. Devs might be a year or so away but they are deadly off the rush right now.
That Hughes play  
pjcas18 : 2/21/2021 4:08 pm : link
reminded me of Sidney Crosby.

Crosby never gets the D-zone credit he deserves, but he is a very smart and relentless player without the puck.

that Hughes play reminded me of a play I'd seen Crosby make a bunch of times.

Every day I say the Devs penalty kill is an embarrassment  
Stu11 : 2/21/2021 5:14 pm : link
And yet it finds a way to get worse...
Ducks  
pjcas18 : 2/21/2021 6:07 pm : link
called up Trevor Zegras.

he is fun to watch, will be interesting to see how he debuts/plays this year.

Ducks play Coyotes tomorrow.

Claude Julien  
pjcas18 : 2/24/2021 10:07 am : link
fired in MTL.

That fast start sure turned to shit pretty quickly.

Carey Price is not playing well, but Julien deserved to be let go.
Kirk  
pjcas18 : 2/24/2021 10:21 am : link
Muller also let go.

Maybe now we won't see Shea Weber on the PP.

his one-timer is lethal, but he's not a good puck handler and is a liability since they try and set that one-timer up as the primary PP play and it's so obvious.
RE: Claude Julien  
Diversify yo bonds : 2/24/2021 3:44 pm : link
In comment 15160365 pjcas18 said:
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fired in MTL.

That fast start sure turned to shit pretty quickly.

Carey Price is not playing well, but Julien deserved to be let go.


Who do you view as the long term replacement?

Is Ducharme a legit option? Would they bring up Bouchard? Guy Boucher too obvious?

Would they go non Franco?
Man, tough draw for Julien  
Andy in Halifax : 2/24/2021 4:02 pm : link
Had heart surgery months ago, still willing to coach through the pandemic and likely sees the team overachieve for the first part of the season. Then team goes cold when Price's play drops off and then he gets canned. Cruel business for coaches.

Is Montreal a very good team that needs to get back on track or were they overachieving and now normalizing? I don't have any answers, just thinking out loud.
Muller  
pjcas18 : 2/24/2021 4:49 pm : link
Coached in the bubble when they overachieved.

I think the habs are a legit playoff team. Not a cup contender but should be a playoff team.

I hate juliens dependence on mediocre veterans at the expense of talented youngsters. Just like Vigneault and Therrien.

All three are basically the same coach.

Not sure if ducharme has a shot long term. I guess we’ll see how the rest of the season goes. I’d hope in 2021 the Canadiens head coach doesn’t have to speak French but who knows. Those fans, their hard core base, are insane.
RE: Muller  
Diversify yo bonds : 2/24/2021 5:11 pm : link
In comment 15160802 pjcas18 said:
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I hate juliens dependence on mediocre veterans at the expense of talented youngsters. Just like Vigneault and Therrien.



I agree with you in principle, but this is a league wide phenomenon. Go lurk any teams' online fan base. Two evergreen topics are "why is bottom 6 grinder playing over slick skilled prospect?" "why is aging-good-soldier-now overpaid-pylon defenseman playing?"

Its the culture. Majority of the coaches will err on steady and reliable over risk.
K'Andre was put on the COVID list, so he's not playing  
Anakim : 2/24/2021 5:16 pm : link
So no Kakko, K'Andre, Panarin, Trouba and we have a struggling Kreider, Zibanejad and Lafreniere.



You know, I can't even blame Quinn if we don't win for the next few games...



Wait, he put Colin Blackwell on PP1 over Lafreniere?
I wonder  
5BowlsSoon : 2/24/2021 5:27 pm : link
If he would have still been fired If that goal taken away from Gallagher with 2 seconds to play occurred. By the way, Habs were robbed on that call. Dumb dumb dumb.....
That no goal  
pjcas18 : 2/24/2021 8:49 pm : link
call was terrible.

And yes, I do think if that goal was allowed Julien is still coaching today.

The habs had a full week off in a compressed season, I think the general thinking is that Julien had that week to "straighten things out" and to lose three in a row out of "the bye" including two to Ottawa (who has a ton of talent) is not acceptable.

No fans are surprised by this.
RE: RE: Muller  
pjcas18 : 2/24/2021 8:51 pm : link
In comment 15160831 Diversify yo bonds said:
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I hate juliens dependence on mediocre veterans at the expense of talented youngsters. Just like Vigneault and Therrien.





I agree with you in principle, but this is a league wide phenomenon. Go lurk any teams' online fan base. Two evergreen topics are "why is bottom 6 grinder playing over slick skilled prospect?" "why is aging-good-soldier-now overpaid-pylon defenseman playing?"

Its the culture. Majority of the coaches will err on steady and reliable over risk.


Yes, no doubt, but there's a difference between unproven 18/19 year olds and players like Suzuki and Kotkaniemi who have proven it as this level in favor of Danault or Paul Byron over someone like Ryan Poehling are just lazy decisions IMO.

We all know our teams and have our pet peeves of I'd play player X over player y, and none of us knows more than the coaches, but it's a you live by it or you die by it approach IMO.
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