According to Bondy Knicks are willing to give up the assets to get Beal..
Knocks also monitoring Mccollum, Portland jas a decision to make because Lewis is going to get paid this summer and he has played well with Mccollum hurt
Knicks and Wizards have been talking and Knicks have a deal on the table that includes Rj that isbwhy his minutes have gone down..
Wes is pushing Beal to basically give the ok to the Wizards to make the deal, but Beal doesnt eant to be perceived as a bad guy for asking for a trade..
Knicks and Wizards have been talking and Knicks have a deal on the table that includes Rj that isbwhy his minutes have gone down..
Wes is pushing Beal to basically give the ok to the Wizards to make the deal, but Beal doesnt eant to be perceived as a bad guy for asking for a trade..
And I think most everybody who posts about basketball here disagrees with me.
I think 3 firsts and a young player for a 28 year old who doesn't play defense is a horrible idea. I just don't understand why this team cannot build through the draft with maybe a FA or two over the next few years.
And I think most everybody who posts about basketball here disagrees with me.
I think 3 firsts and a young player for a 28 year old who doesn't play defense is a horrible idea. I just don't understand why this team cannot build through the draft with maybe a FA or two over the next few years.
Beal doesnt play defense?
You dont just build through the draft, it is trades, draft and free agency, they have good young players, they have plenty of cap space..
Knicks and Wizards have been talking and Knicks have a deal on the table that includes Rj that isbwhy his minutes have gone down..
Wes is pushing Beal to basically give the ok to the Wizards to make the deal, but Beal doesnt eant to be perceived as a bad guy for asking for a trade..
And I think most everybody who posts about basketball here disagrees with me.
I think 3 firsts and a young player for a 28 year old who doesn't play defense is a horrible idea. I just don't understand why this team cannot build through the draft with maybe a FA or two over the next few years.
Beal doesnt play defense?
You dont just build through the draft, it is trades, draft and free agency, they have good young players, they have plenty of cap space..
Even adding Beal they are not done adding pidces
Beal does not play D. He doesn't stand out only because nobody on that team plays D.
If you trade away 3 firsts and a young player for Beal then it seems tome you are, by definition, not building through the draft.
And I think most everybody who posts about basketball here disagrees with me.
I think 3 firsts and a young player for a 28 year old who doesn't play defense is a horrible idea. I just don't understand why this team cannot build through the draft with maybe a FA or two over the next few years.
The Knicks could use every one of their draft picks for the next decade and it’s incredibly unlikely they’d ever get a player on Beals level.
I guess between the Knicks and the Giants we’ve all been conditioned to losing and looking forward to the draft to miraculously turn things around. The seasons have become a way to kill time until the offseason begins. I mean, at what point do you want to start winning some games and getting to the playoffs on a regular basis? This team hasn’t won a championship since 1973. I don’t know about you but I’m tired of “building through the draft for the next few seasons”. Then in a few seasons we will be saying the same damn thing...
And I think most everybody who posts about basketball here disagrees with me.
I think 3 firsts and a young player for a 28 year old who doesn't play defense is a horrible idea. I just don't understand why this team cannot build through the draft with maybe a FA or two over the next few years.
Beal doesnt play defense?
You dont just build through the draft, it is trades, draft and free agency, they have good young players, they have plenty of cap space..
Even adding Beal they are not done adding pidces
Beal does not play D. He doesn't stand out only because nobody on that team plays D.
If you trade away 3 firsts and a young player for Beal then it seems tome you are, by definition, not building through the draft.
say the young player is Rj..
The 3 firsts are 21 dallas, 22 knicks and 23 knicms..
You still have Quick, Mitch, Toppin all homegrown..
You would still have your own 21 first and s dalls 23..
Still have plenty of draft capital..
You would also still have plenty of cap room with still a deep team..
Yeah you brcome more win now but still a very young team
Knicks and Wizards have been talking and Knicks have a deal on the table that includes Rj that isbwhy his minutes have gone down..
Wes is pushing Beal to basically give the ok to the Wizards to make the deal, but Beal doesnt eant to be perceived as a bad guy for asking for a trade..
Ny16 is this something you heard or something you are speculating on your own.
And I think most everybody who posts about basketball here disagrees with me.
I think 3 firsts and a young player for a 28 year old who doesn't play defense is a horrible idea. I just don't understand why this team cannot build through the draft with maybe a FA or two over the next few years.
The difference between Beal and LaVine is Beal CAN play some level of defense while LaVine can not. The metrics show that Beal has played much better defense with better coaching and on better teams. His D may not be elite but his perimeter D has been very good in the past. Thibs can probably get the most out of him.
Knicks and Wizards have been talking and Knicks have a deal on the table that includes Rj that isbwhy his minutes have gone down..
Wes is pushing Beal to basically give the ok to the Wizards to make the deal, but Beal doesnt eant to be perceived as a bad guy for asking for a trade..
Ny16 is this something you heard or something you are speculating on your own.
Tim Hardaway Jr. had a good first half against Beal and Beal told him at the start of the second half that he was done scoring, and proceeded to shut him down. He’ll definitely play some defense if it’s demanded of him.
RJ, Obi, three firsts would be my offer. If a pick swap or two seals it, I won’t go crazy.
Beal, Randle, Quickley and Mitch makes for an excellent foundation. Also, if Beal and Randle don’t mesh well you can always let Randle go after next season and shop for a better running mate. Hopefully Wes is as powerful as everyone says.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I'm sure it's irrational on my part
And I think most everybody who posts about basketball here disagrees with me.
I think 3 firsts and a young player for a 28 year old who doesn't play defense is a horrible idea. I just don't understand why this team cannot build through the draft with maybe a FA or two over the next few years.
Beal doesnt play defense?
You dont just build through the draft, it is trades, draft and free agency, they have good young players, they have plenty of cap space..
Even adding Beal they are not done adding pidces
Beal does not play D. He doesn't stand out only because nobody on that team plays D.
If you trade away 3 firsts and a young player for Beal then it seems tome you are, by definition, not building through the draft.
say the young player is Rj..
The 3 firsts are 21 dallas, 22 knicks and 23 knicms..
You still have Quick, Mitch, Toppin all homegrown..
You would still have your own 21 first and s dalls 23..
Still have plenty of draft capital..
You would also still have plenty of cap room with still a deep team..
Yeah you brcome more win now but still a very young team
A team cannot trade their first in back to back years.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I'm sure it's irrational on my part
And I think most everybody who posts about basketball here disagrees with me.
I think 3 firsts and a young player for a 28 year old who doesn't play defense is a horrible idea. I just don't understand why this team cannot build through the draft with maybe a FA or two over the next few years.
Beal doesnt play defense?
You dont just build through the draft, it is trades, draft and free agency, they have good young players, they have plenty of cap space..
Even adding Beal they are not done adding pidces
Beal does not play D. He doesn't stand out only because nobody on that team plays D.
If you trade away 3 firsts and a young player for Beal then it seems tome you are, by definition, not building through the draft.
say the young player is Rj..
The 3 firsts are 21 dallas, 22 knicks and 23 knicms..
You still have Quick, Mitch, Toppin all homegrown..
You would still have your own 21 first and s dalls 23..
Still have plenty of draft capital..
You would also still have plenty of cap room with still a deep team..
Yeah you brcome more win now but still a very young team
A team cannot trade their first in back to back years.
They can when they have 2 pivks in thr smae year
RE: RE: RE: RE: I'm sure it's irrational on my part
should move McCollum. Really good player but not the best fit with Dame. Given their lack of assets to get to the next level, it would make sense for them to see what they can get for him to find a running mate who's a better fit.
Tim Hardaway Jr. had a good first half against Beal and Beal told him at the start of the second half that he was done scoring, and proceeded to shut him down. He’ll definitely play some defense if it’s demanded of him.
Dude is a big jump over LaVine defensively . Knicks basically at .500 without him, with him they would make noise in the East.
is really surprising to me. Bradley Beal is 28 years old. RJ Barrett is 20 years old and the youngest player on the team. Barret during his age 19 season averaged a little over 14 points a game. Beal during his age 19 season averaged 12 points a game. Beal during his age 20 season averaged 17 points a game. Barrett during his age 20 season is averaging right around 17 points a game. Beal is now leading the league in scoring. Barrett's free throw shooting and mid range shooting have shown improvement this year. For the love of god....show some patience.
is really surprising to me. Bradley Beal is 28 years old. RJ Barrett is 20 years old and the youngest player on the team. Barret during his age 19 season averaged a little over 14 points a game. Beal during his age 19 season averaged 12 points a game. Beal during his age 20 season averaged 17 points a game. Barrett during his age 20 season is averaging right around 17 points a game. Beal is now leading the league in scoring. Barrett's free throw shooting and mid range shooting have shown improvement this year. For the love of god....show some patience.
is really surprising to me. Bradley Beal is 28 years old. RJ Barrett is 20 years old and the youngest player on the team. Barret during his age 19 season averaged a little over 14 points a game. Beal during his age 19 season averaged 12 points a game. Beal during his age 20 season averaged 17 points a game. Barrett during his age 20 season is averaging right around 17 points a game. Beal is now leading the league in scoring. Barrett's free throw shooting and mid range shooting have shown improvement this year. For the love of god....show some patience.
I agree.
Just wanna toss my hat in the ring with this crew, and trading Barrett, at the age of 20, for a more quick fix solution feels too old-Knicksy. I’m on board with watching this group of likeable, talented, hard-working youngsters develop. Don’t want to trade RJ.
Eh, but we know what Beal is as a player. RJ is still an unknown. I'd rather have the proven commodity over an unknown. RJ might turn out to be another Beal, but odds are that he doesn't. And Beal is only 27. It's not like he's ancient.
is really surprising to me. Bradley Beal is 28 years old. RJ Barrett is 20 years old and the youngest player on the team. Barret during his age 19 season averaged a little over 14 points a game. Beal during his age 19 season averaged 12 points a game. Beal during his age 20 season averaged 17 points a game. Barrett during his age 20 season is averaging right around 17 points a game. Beal is now leading the league in scoring. Barrett's free throw shooting and mid range shooting have shown improvement this year. For the love of god....show some patience.
I agree.
Just wanna toss my hat in the ring with this crew, and trading Barrett, at the age of 20, for a more quick fix solution feels too old-Knicksy. I’m on board with watching this group of likeable, talented, hard-working youngsters develop. Don’t want to trade RJ.
Beal is not just some nobody. He is a 30+ player who also under better circumstances resorts back to a decent defensive level of play as well.
I know I'm not giving up on Barrett but to think he'll become even close to Bradley Beal (32+pts/game) may be wishful thinking. I DO think he'll eventually become a very good player in this league but it may take a few years to get there (like it did Randle and many others).
I would much prefer to trade Toppin as he is more of an unknown and his development curve may be even longer. However if I absolutely had to, Id wave bye bye to Barrett if it meant getting one of the top scorers in the entire NBA who happens to be exactly what this team is missing most.
is really surprising to me. Bradley Beal is 28 years old. RJ Barrett is 20 years old and the youngest player on the team. Barret during his age 19 season averaged a little over 14 points a game. Beal during his age 19 season averaged 12 points a game. Beal during his age 20 season averaged 17 points a game. Barrett during his age 20 season is averaging right around 17 points a game. Beal is now leading the league in scoring. Barrett's free throw shooting and mid range shooting have shown improvement this year. For the love of god....show some patience.
Stop Rj is nothing like Bradley Beal in any conceivable way, you want throw out ppg and thats it?
Their field goal percentage is about the same
Beal his first 2 years shot 40% from 3, Rj is shooting 30%
Efg% Beal was at 48% Rj is at 45%
Rj is a better rebounder, assists about the same..
The league is about stars, Bradley beal is a top 10 player in the NBA, id bet Rj never ever gets to that position simply because he cant shoot..
Beal just was named an All Star starter. Odds that RJ ever starts an All Star game? I don't think those odds are high. If we can Beal-without giving up the farm-we gotta do it.
Let’s not pretend like that’s possible. Beal is a legit top 10 nba player entering his prob. Rbs peak is probably too 30-50 player, which is good but huge difference to top 10. Beal can play defense just fine in a good system
I know. You see Embiid last night? Good Lord. I know the media narrative is that LBJ is the MVP, but Embiid & The Joker are having better seasons. I'd put Dame up there too.
I know. You see Embiid last night? Good Lord. I know the media narrative is that LBJ is the MVP, but Embiid & The Joker are having better seasons. I'd put Dame up there too.
Embiid or Dame are my mvps this year, they are carrying their teams
Nets seem like a team who will be able to turn it on, Harden has been fantastic.
Every Knick fan should absolutely be rooting for the Nets if it came to Nets/Sixers in the ECF. I’ve been very impressed with the Nets, they seem to be able to turn on the defense when they need to.
Nets seem like a team who will be able to turn it on, Harden has been fantastic.
Every Knick fan should absolutely be rooting for the Nets if it came to Nets/Sixers in the ECF. I’ve been very impressed with the Nets, they seem to be able to turn on the defense when they need to.
Beal is averaging 33 points on 47% from the field. It's just hard to picture us getting to a world where RJ is that too. That doesn't mean you're writing him off, etc, but 33 points per game is elite of the elite. He's not getting there.
I think 24 ppg, 7 rpg and 4 apg is certainly a possibility though, and that's a very good player, maybe great depending on where the percentages end up.
I do think if a Beal deal ever materializes, RJ will have to be included. It'll be sad but you have to give something to get something. I'd guess RJ, Obi, Frank, Knox, both 2021 1sts, 2023 1st.
It's a lot, no question, but potentially a lot of good spare parts. Obi basically is blocked from starting for the foreseeable future, Frank and Knox are out of the rotation, and RJ we spoke about. The firsts as much as there's hope otherwise will likely be in the late teens or early 20s. The 2023 pick is top 10 protected.
Pretty damn good team. Then in the offseason you still have almost another max available to go after maybe Lowry or CP3 on a high AAV short term deal to replace Payton. Would be nice to upgrade on Bullock too, although I do think he's actually become a decently useful player.
Is what do the Knicks have up their sleeve after adding Beal? Regarding cost to get Beal the best thing about this start under Thibs is we have finally seen player development here. Knicks finally dealing from a position of strength. Key is what’s lined up after any Beal trade if it were to happen.
Ps I’d rather trade toppin than Barrett but maybe Barrett has built up enough of a rep to make a deal more palatable, meaning less players going to wash.
Pretty damn good team. Then in the offseason you still have almost another max available to go after maybe Lowry or CP3 on a high AAV short term deal to replace Payton. Would be nice to upgrade on Bullock too, although I do think he's actually become a decently useful player.
You going to win with Beal? When? Its a hard swallow mortgaging the building blocks . I guess it depends on how long Beal plays and plays at his elite level. Will he age well and stay healthy
Pretty damn good team. Then in the offseason you still have almost another max available to go after maybe Lowry or CP3 on a high AAV short term deal to replace Payton. Would be nice to upgrade on Bullock too, although I do think he's actually become a decently useful player.
Gonna ruminate on this for minute:
That team makes the playoffs but is not going to compete for a title. The lineup has an elite SG in Beal and an All-Star-caliber PF in Randle. Mitch is a nice C who doesn't seem to have been developing, he may never be much more than what we've seen from him. IMO Bullock and Payton are not starters on a contending team — maybe backups playing behind much, much better players.
Let's assume a couple of draft picks can be regained by trading Rivers, Burks and/or Bullock. Payton may be attractive for some teams, maybe could bring back a late first-round pick from a contender, but the Knicks would need another PG just to get through this season. Rose can't play a ton of minutes and IQ is a rookie, bound to hit the wall.
Let's assume that management has a plan, and their goal is to field a championship contender, not just "Let's get relevant and field a reasonably entertaining team that can win a first-round playoff series."
So: What's the next step? They're not relying on the draft if they make that trade. Then it's free agency, which does seem to be the way teams turn around quickly in the NBA. As much as like "trust the process," jumping up through elite free agents is not a crazy idea at all. It's New York, after all, not Milwaukee or Oklahoma City. It's cold, but it's still the Big Apple.
First question: Is this management, coach and the pieces in place enough to convince elite free agents that the Knicks are an ok organization to play for? To wash off the Dolan stink? If so,
Second question: Who are those free agents? Kawhi? Is there any reason to think Kawhi Leonard would come to New York? I think he's the only elite talent in the next FA group. Then You'd still need a PG. Jrue Holiday? Is that enough?
Let's say they are aiming for:
FA-PG
Beal
Leonard
Randle
Mitch
with IQ and Rose coming off the bench, plus some new additions.
That is a formidable team. Needs depth, and not super young, but formidable.
I think I've talked myself into it. But they better hit on their picks or they're going to be a team in decline in just a few years.
This comes up every week and Washington is not moving Beal.
Westbrook and Beal are figuring it out and Beal has said multiple times he wants to stay in Washington.
Washington is going to do everything to keep Beal.
also, not enough being said about the many first round draft picks thrown in. The players in this years draft are REALLY REALLY good. At some point a trade will factor into this but not now. Be patient. Collect assets. Every day we become a better destination for free agents. How about we sign a younger Bradley Beal over the next two years in free agency and KEEP the assets. To act like our future options are not greatly diminished by trading three first round picks is wrong.
makes sense that there would be a portion of them rooting for the Sixers if they were to play the Nets.
Oh please. That’s completely different. People rooting for The Eagles in the super bowl is far worse and the situations aren’t comparable.
If you want to use a comparison to the Nets playing the Sixers in the ECF it would be closer to the Eagles playing the Cowboys in the NFC Championship game. It’s easier to make a case for some people rooting for Philly in that scenario, no?
I can't stand Irving and Harden. KD...I'm lukewarm on him, but I still think him going to Golden State was one of the softest moves in recent NBA history.
& outside of the Eagles, I don't really hate any Philly team. I'm not into hockey so that crosses off the Flyers & I'm meh about baseball so again, cross off the Phillies. And are the 76ers-Knicks even really rivals? I can't remember one big game between the two teams. This isn't like Knicks-Heat, Knicks-Bulls, & Knicks-Pacers.
Didn’t you want Durant & Irving leading up to the summer of 2019? Wasn’t that the dream? Draft Zion and then sign Durant & Irving. That was literally the talk for the Knicks leading up to that summer.
I guess what annoys me is a lot of Knick fans mocking the Nets for “culture” in 2018 where they played above their heads and made the playoffs. I always stated that it mattered while most NYK fans didn’t. That season now puts them in a legit position to win a title.
Those same Knick fans are rightfully excited about the team this year, but isn’t it mostly the same as the Nets in 18?
& Irving. And once they choose to go to Brooklyn, F them. I really just wanted KD, but Kyrie was a package deal so...
I never mocked the Nets for their 'culture'. But I think 'culture' is overrated. Talent wins in the NBA. And if you have an opportunity to get a talent like Beal, I think you gotta get him, provided you aren't selling the farm.
& Irving. And once they choose to go to Brooklyn, F them. I really just wanted KD, but Kyrie was a package deal so...
I never mocked the Nets for their 'culture'. But I think 'culture' is overrated. Talent wins in the NBA. And if you have an opportunity to get a talent like Beal, I think you gotta get him, provided you aren't selling the farm.
& Irving. And once they choose to go to Brooklyn, F them. I really just wanted KD, but Kyrie was a package deal so...
I never mocked the Nets for their 'culture'. But I think 'culture' is overrated. Talent wins in the NBA. And if you have an opportunity to get a talent like Beal, I think you gotta get him, provided you aren't selling the farm.
& Irving. And once they choose to go to Brooklyn, F them. I really just wanted KD, but Kyrie was a package deal so...
I never mocked the Nets for their 'culture'. But I think 'culture' is overrated. Talent wins in the NBA. And if you have an opportunity to get a talent like Beal, I think you gotta get him, provided you aren't selling the farm.
And the Knicks are in a better position to get talent since they are much better coached and hovering around .500.
Some Knicks fans are truly incredible. One poster said they had zero interest in CJ.... do you know how good that guy is?
And people doubting Beal are nuts. You aren’t going to get a player that talented without giving up a lot. I swear some Knicks fans wouldn’t treads a couple 1sts for prime Lebron. I would be all over Beal- incredible. You need stars in this league to win. Figure out the rest later. He can play D too....
With that said I wouldn’t believe anything from that clown Michael Kay. And the Wiz have won 4 in a row.
But 3 1sts and RJ for Beal is a complete no brainer. It’s going to cost more...
RE: Lol. Just trying to see where the line is for the people willing to
I’m the guy who said I have no interest in McCullum. Turning 30 in September. 3 years $100 million starting next year.
I don’t see him ageing well, he is a very good player, but unathletic. I’m not trading the future for him. I’m all for Beal and lavine just not mccullum. He doesn’t fit with the timeline of the team.
I’m the guy who said I have no interest in McCullum. Turning 30 in September. 3 years $100 million starting next year.
I don’t see him ageing well, he is a very good player, but unathletic. I’m not trading the future for him. I’m all for Beal and lavine just not mccullum. He doesn’t fit with the timeline of the team.
McCullum is a comp to Quickley, I think Quickley will ultimately land like McCullum off ball.
Both are undersized at 6'3 and have similar games.
IMO McCullum will age well because he shoots the lights out. Career .400 shooter from 3 and it hasn't gone down with volume.
Do I want to give up what it will take to get him now in his career and where the Knicks are no.
Also BTW Dame deserves the MVP and get very little respect.
RE: RE: Ah, I forgot BBI had a bunch of people root for the Eagles in the SB..
makes sense that there would be a portion of them rooting for the Sixers if they were to play the Nets.
Oh please. That’s completely different. People rooting for The Eagles in the super bowl is far worse and the situations aren’t comparable.
If you want to use a comparison to the Nets playing the Sixers in the ECF it would be closer to the Eagles playing the Cowboys in the NFC Championship game. It’s easier to make a case for some people rooting for Philly in that scenario, no?
Wha? How on earth do the nets compare at all to Dallas?
Philly nets in ECF?? Go nets. Some of you are nuts.
The nets? Who fucking cares if they win? There are 24 nets fans. Who cares?
RE: RE: RE: Ah, I forgot BBI had a bunch of people root for the Eagles in the SB..
makes sense that there would be a portion of them rooting for the Sixers if they were to play the Nets.
Oh please. That’s completely different. People rooting for The Eagles in the super bowl is far worse and the situations aren’t comparable.
If you want to use a comparison to the Nets playing the Sixers in the ECF it would be closer to the Eagles playing the Cowboys in the NFC Championship game. It’s easier to make a case for some people rooting for Philly in that scenario, no?
Wha? How on earth do the nets compare at all to Dallas?
Philly nets in ECF?? Go nets. Some of you are nuts.
The nets? Who fucking cares if they win? There are 24 nets fans. Who cares?
A division rival that happens to play in the same city and is getting hyped beyond belief? It may not be a perfect comp but it’s certainly a hell of a lot more accurate than comparing it to Giants fans rooting for the fucking Eagles in the Super Bowl.
You can love the Nets all you want. I don’t give a shit. But I guaranfuckingtee you that if they win the championship and have all the pieces to win again after that, your tune is going to change. The hype is already nauseating. Can you imagine after they start winning? I’m hoping that gets nipped in the bud before it becomes a problem. Fuck the Nets. I have no interest in seeing them win a championship.
As in any trade, what it takes to get the player is very important.
If we have to give up the farm to get Beal, it's not a good idea. We'd probably lose him when he becomes a free agent next year. McCollum should require less in return because of his age. Point guard, IMO, is his best position.
RE: As in any trade, what it takes to get the player is very important.
If we have to give up the farm to get Beal, it's not a good idea. We'd probably lose him when he becomes a free agent next year. McCollum should require less in return because of his age. Point guard, IMO, is his best position.
why would you probably lose him? This isnt the old Knicks regime, Wes and Rose have legit connections, if they are trading for someone they know they can keep them..
Is what do the Knicks have up their sleeve after adding Beal? Regarding cost to get Beal the best thing about this start under Thibs is we have finally seen player development here. Knicks finally dealing from a position of strength. Key is what’s lined up after any Beal trade if it were to happen.
Ps I’d rather trade toppin than Barrett but maybe Barrett has built up enough of a rep to make a deal more palatable, meaning less players going to wash.
Have you let your dry cleaner know to expect some extra pants after the Knicks potentially acquire a full priced veteran acquisition, or do you keep your fetish to yourself?
RE: Ah, I forgot BBI had a bunch of people root for the Eagles in the SB..
Was as strong as I thought. All of their 15 fans really trigger a lot of Knick fans apparently. To each their own.
No, you just didn't realize that the Sixers are just as irrelevant as the Nets, but not as local. And the Nets are the current superteam du jour, with Durant, Harden, Irving - right in the backyard of the Knicks.
No one who isn't already a Nets fan should try to justify rooting for them, although it sounds like you want an excuse to do exactly that.
Was as strong as I thought. All of their 15 fans really trigger a lot of Knick fans apparently. To each their own.
Again, is there a 76ers Knicks rivalry? I don't think so. I can't recall one meaningful game vs. Philly in my life. I'm not even kidding. This isn't like Giants-Eagles, not even in the same universe. And the Nets hatred is entirely justifiable considering they have two of the more universally disliked players in the league in Kyrie & Harden.
According to sources, Thibodeau has spent three days of practice trying to mix and match. One thing he has looked into is playing more small-ball, moving Julius Randle to center and using rookie Obi Toppin at power forward.
Thibodeau is also debating whether to return Kevin Knox to the rotation at power forward, using him with Randle at center. Knox was taken out of the rotation on Jan. 31 against the Clippers — 10 games ago. Knox, the Knicks’ 2018 lottery pick, has made three garbage-time cameos in that span, playing a total of nine minutes.
The Knicks were a disaster offensively in the second half Wednesday at Orlando, missing 15 straight shots and amassing just 33 points following halftime in the 107-89 loss. Knox’s 3-point shooting could come in handy, as he was hitting them at a career-best 37.9 percent clip.
Meanwhile, the Knicks’ 2020 lottery pick, Toppin, is struggling from deep (29.7 percent) and looked tentative while playing just 11 minutes against the Magic.
Sources said the Knicks want to stand pat for now at center. In fact, the Knicks let young Westchester Knicks center Justin Patton, the No. 16 pick of the 2017 draft, sign a two-way deal with the Rockets on Friday. Patton, 23, played under Thibodeau in Minnesota.
I really don't even care about the Nets. But if it's 76ers Nets in the playoffs...I will be rooting for the Sixers.
I didn’t think my post would start a debate, ha. I certainly respect that view. I happen to like Doc Rivers and have no issues with the Sixers aside from them being in Philly.
I’m a Knick fan who doesn’t have hatred for this current Net squad. Just being honest. I did hate the Kidd/Martin era Nets.
I mean, if you want to root for the Nets, that's your business
Go get him, Wes! Show us all why they brought you in...
Wes is pushing Beal to basically give the ok to the Wizards to make the deal, but Beal doesnt eant to be perceived as a bad guy for asking for a trade..
Wes is pushing Beal to basically give the ok to the Wizards to make the deal, but Beal doesnt eant to be perceived as a bad guy for asking for a trade..
To what, the 6 Wizard fans that exist?
I think 3 firsts and a young player for a 28 year old who doesn't play defense is a horrible idea. I just don't understand why this team cannot build through the draft with maybe a FA or two over the next few years.
I think 3 firsts and a young player for a 28 year old who doesn't play defense is a horrible idea. I just don't understand why this team cannot build through the draft with maybe a FA or two over the next few years.
Beal doesnt play defense?
You dont just build through the draft, it is trades, draft and free agency, they have good young players, they have plenty of cap space..
Even adding Beal they are not done adding pidces
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Knicks and Wizards have been talking and Knicks have a deal on the table that includes Rj that isbwhy his minutes have gone down..
Wes is pushing Beal to basically give the ok to the Wizards to make the deal, but Beal doesnt eant to be perceived as a bad guy for asking for a trade..
To what, the 6 Wizard fans that exist?
hahahaha
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And I think most everybody who posts about basketball here disagrees with me.
I think 3 firsts and a young player for a 28 year old who doesn't play defense is a horrible idea. I just don't understand why this team cannot build through the draft with maybe a FA or two over the next few years.
Beal doesnt play defense?
You dont just build through the draft, it is trades, draft and free agency, they have good young players, they have plenty of cap space..
Even adding Beal they are not done adding pidces
Beal does not play D. He doesn't stand out only because nobody on that team plays D.
If you trade away 3 firsts and a young player for Beal then it seems tome you are, by definition, not building through the draft.
I think 3 firsts and a young player for a 28 year old who doesn't play defense is a horrible idea. I just don't understand why this team cannot build through the draft with maybe a FA or two over the next few years.
The Knicks could use every one of their draft picks for the next decade and it’s incredibly unlikely they’d ever get a player on Beals level.
I guess between the Knicks and the Giants we’ve all been conditioned to losing and looking forward to the draft to miraculously turn things around. The seasons have become a way to kill time until the offseason begins. I mean, at what point do you want to start winning some games and getting to the playoffs on a regular basis? This team hasn’t won a championship since 1973. I don’t know about you but I’m tired of “building through the draft for the next few seasons”. Then in a few seasons we will be saying the same damn thing...
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And I think most everybody who posts about basketball here disagrees with me.
I think 3 firsts and a young player for a 28 year old who doesn't play defense is a horrible idea. I just don't understand why this team cannot build through the draft with maybe a FA or two over the next few years.
Beal doesnt play defense?
You dont just build through the draft, it is trades, draft and free agency, they have good young players, they have plenty of cap space..
Even adding Beal they are not done adding pidces
Beal does not play D. He doesn't stand out only because nobody on that team plays D.
If you trade away 3 firsts and a young player for Beal then it seems tome you are, by definition, not building through the draft.
say the young player is Rj..
The 3 firsts are 21 dallas, 22 knicks and 23 knicms..
You still have Quick, Mitch, Toppin all homegrown..
You would still have your own 21 first and s dalls 23..
Still have plenty of draft capital..
You would also still have plenty of cap room with still a deep team..
Yeah you brcome more win now but still a very young team
Wes is pushing Beal to basically give the ok to the Wizards to make the deal, but Beal doesnt eant to be perceived as a bad guy for asking for a trade..
Ny16 is this something you heard or something you are speculating on your own.
I think 3 firsts and a young player for a 28 year old who doesn't play defense is a horrible idea. I just don't understand why this team cannot build through the draft with maybe a FA or two over the next few years.
The difference between Beal and LaVine is Beal CAN play some level of defense while LaVine can not. The metrics show that Beal has played much better defense with better coaching and on better teams. His D may not be elite but his perimeter D has been very good in the past. Thibs can probably get the most out of him.
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Knicks and Wizards have been talking and Knicks have a deal on the table that includes Rj that isbwhy his minutes have gone down..
Wes is pushing Beal to basically give the ok to the Wizards to make the deal, but Beal doesnt eant to be perceived as a bad guy for asking for a trade..
Ny16 is this something you heard or something you are speculating on your own.
Complete speculation pie in the sky thoughts
you don't call out your team for not playing D when you can't play D yourself lol
Beal, Randle, Quickley and Mitch makes for an excellent foundation. Also, if Beal and Randle don’t mesh well you can always let Randle go after next season and shop for a better running mate. Hopefully Wes is as powerful as everyone says.
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And I think most everybody who posts about basketball here disagrees with me.
I think 3 firsts and a young player for a 28 year old who doesn't play defense is a horrible idea. I just don't understand why this team cannot build through the draft with maybe a FA or two over the next few years.
Beal doesnt play defense?
You dont just build through the draft, it is trades, draft and free agency, they have good young players, they have plenty of cap space..
Even adding Beal they are not done adding pidces
Beal does not play D. He doesn't stand out only because nobody on that team plays D.
If you trade away 3 firsts and a young player for Beal then it seems tome you are, by definition, not building through the draft.
say the young player is Rj..
The 3 firsts are 21 dallas, 22 knicks and 23 knicms..
You still have Quick, Mitch, Toppin all homegrown..
You would still have your own 21 first and s dalls 23..
Still have plenty of draft capital..
You would also still have plenty of cap room with still a deep team..
Yeah you brcome more win now but still a very young team
A team cannot trade their first in back to back years.
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In comment 15157836 TJ said:
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And I think most everybody who posts about basketball here disagrees with me.
I think 3 firsts and a young player for a 28 year old who doesn't play defense is a horrible idea. I just don't understand why this team cannot build through the draft with maybe a FA or two over the next few years.
Beal doesnt play defense?
You dont just build through the draft, it is trades, draft and free agency, they have good young players, they have plenty of cap space..
Even adding Beal they are not done adding pidces
Beal does not play D. He doesn't stand out only because nobody on that team plays D.
If you trade away 3 firsts and a young player for Beal then it seems tome you are, by definition, not building through the draft.
say the young player is Rj..
The 3 firsts are 21 dallas, 22 knicks and 23 knicms..
You still have Quick, Mitch, Toppin all homegrown..
You would still have your own 21 first and s dalls 23..
Still have plenty of draft capital..
You would also still have plenty of cap room with still a deep team..
Yeah you brcome more win now but still a very young team
A team cannot trade their first in back to back years.
They can when they have 2 pivks in thr smae year
say the young player is Rj..
The 3 firsts are 21 dallas, 22 knicks and 23 knicms..
You can’t trade back to back first round picks.
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say the young player is Rj..
The 3 firsts are 21 dallas, 22 knicks and 23 knicms..
You can’t trade back to back first round picks.
Yes you can, you cant go back.to back years with ZERO first round picks
Dude is a big jump over LaVine defensively . Knicks basically at .500 without him, with him they would make noise in the East.
Im going to say Toppin is going back and 3 FRP
Rose/Quickley/Peyton
Beal/Quickley/Burks
RJ Barrett/Burks
Randle/Taj
Mitch/Noel
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is really surprising to me. Bradley Beal is 28 years old. RJ Barrett is 20 years old and the youngest player on the team. Barret during his age 19 season averaged a little over 14 points a game. Beal during his age 19 season averaged 12 points a game. Beal during his age 20 season averaged 17 points a game. Barrett during his age 20 season is averaging right around 17 points a game. Beal is now leading the league in scoring. Barrett's free throw shooting and mid range shooting have shown improvement this year. For the love of god....show some patience.
I agree.
Just wanna toss my hat in the ring with this crew, and trading Barrett, at the age of 20, for a more quick fix solution feels too old-Knicksy. I’m on board with watching this group of likeable, talented, hard-working youngsters develop. Don’t want to trade RJ.
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is really surprising to me. Bradley Beal is 28 years old. RJ Barrett is 20 years old and the youngest player on the team. Barret during his age 19 season averaged a little over 14 points a game. Beal during his age 19 season averaged 12 points a game. Beal during his age 20 season averaged 17 points a game. Barrett during his age 20 season is averaging right around 17 points a game. Beal is now leading the league in scoring. Barrett's free throw shooting and mid range shooting have shown improvement this year. For the love of god....show some patience.
I agree.
Just wanna toss my hat in the ring with this crew, and trading Barrett, at the age of 20, for a more quick fix solution feels too old-Knicksy. I’m on board with watching this group of likeable, talented, hard-working youngsters develop. Don’t want to trade RJ.
Beal is not just some nobody. He is a 30+ player who also under better circumstances resorts back to a decent defensive level of play as well.
I know I'm not giving up on Barrett but to think he'll become even close to Bradley Beal (32+pts/game) may be wishful thinking. I DO think he'll eventually become a very good player in this league but it may take a few years to get there (like it did Randle and many others).
I would much prefer to trade Toppin as he is more of an unknown and his development curve may be even longer. However if I absolutely had to, Id wave bye bye to Barrett if it meant getting one of the top scorers in the entire NBA who happens to be exactly what this team is missing most.
Stop Rj is nothing like Bradley Beal in any conceivable way, you want throw out ppg and thats it?
Their field goal percentage is about the same
Beal his first 2 years shot 40% from 3, Rj is shooting 30%
Efg% Beal was at 48% Rj is at 45%
Rj is a better rebounder, assists about the same..
The league is about stars, Bradley beal is a top 10 player in the NBA, id bet Rj never ever gets to that position simply because he cant shoot..
Without a consistent jumpshot Rj will not be that player, in the playoffs you need a jumper, even Lebron needed to add a jumper..
Show me a superstar who can not shoot?
Without a consistent jumpshot Rj will not be that player, in the playoffs you need a jumper, even Lebron needed to add a jumper..
Show me a superstar who can not shoot?
Simmons, Haha. I kid, though I think you underrate him.
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you can play all thr defense you want but when it geta down to the final 4 minutes in thr playoffs it is iso your best player..
Without a consistent jumpshot Rj will not be that player, in the playoffs you need a jumper, even Lebron needed to add a jumper..
Show me a superstar who can not shoot?
Simmons, Haha. I kid, though I think you underrate him.
hes an all star not a superstar
Embiid or Dame are my mvps this year, they are carrying their teams
If Embiid stays healthy they beat Brooklyn..
Nets have no one who can guard him and in thr playoffs the game will slow down..
Simmons can guard durant, will he stop him? no bit he will make it difficult..
Orving and Harden having to chase around Milton, Curry and Maxey..
I throw thyblle on Harden
Every Knick fan should absolutely be rooting for the Nets if it came to Nets/Sixers in the ECF. I’ve been very impressed with the Nets, they seem to be able to turn on the defense when they need to.
Every Knick fan should absolutely be rooting for the Nets if it came to Nets/Sixers in the ECF. I’ve been very impressed with the Nets, they seem to be able to turn on the defense when they need to.
Why would I root for the Nets?
I think 24 ppg, 7 rpg and 4 apg is certainly a possibility though, and that's a very good player, maybe great depending on where the percentages end up.
I do think if a Beal deal ever materializes, RJ will have to be included. It'll be sad but you have to give something to get something. I'd guess RJ, Obi, Frank, Knox, both 2021 1sts, 2023 1st.
It's a lot, no question, but potentially a lot of good spare parts. Obi basically is blocked from starting for the foreseeable future, Frank and Knox are out of the rotation, and RJ we spoke about. The firsts as much as there's hope otherwise will likely be in the late teens or early 20s. The 2023 pick is top 10 protected.
Again, it's a lot, but I'd have to do that deal.
Mitch
Julius
Bullock
Beal
Payton
with Rose, IQ, Noel, Burks coming off the bench.
Pretty damn good team. Then in the offseason you still have almost another max available to go after maybe Lowry or CP3 on a high AAV short term deal to replace Payton. Would be nice to upgrade on Bullock too, although I do think he's actually become a decently useful player.
Ps I’d rather trade toppin than Barrett but maybe Barrett has built up enough of a rep to make a deal more palatable, meaning less players going to wash.
Mitch
Julius
Bullock
Beal
Payton
with Rose, IQ, Noel, Burks coming off the bench.
Pretty damn good team. Then in the offseason you still have almost another max available to go after maybe Lowry or CP3 on a high AAV short term deal to replace Payton. Would be nice to upgrade on Bullock too, although I do think he's actually become a decently useful player.
Or Jrue Holiday
Scary Terry is sneakily having a bit of a breakout year too. 20 PPG on 49% from the field and 45 (!!) % from 3.
Scary Terry is sneakily having a bit of a breakout year too. 20 PPG on 49% from the field and 45 (!!) % from 3.
Draymond is a moron, plain and simple..
and anyone else think Curry isnt really sick and they just wanted an excuse to sit him? Kerr already admitted he doesnt care about winning this year
no
Mitch
Julius
Bullock
Beal
Payton
with Rose, IQ, Noel, Burks coming off the bench.
Pretty damn good team. Then in the offseason you still have almost another max available to go after maybe Lowry or CP3 on a high AAV short term deal to replace Payton. Would be nice to upgrade on Bullock too, although I do think he's actually become a decently useful player.
That team makes the playoffs but is not going to compete for a title. The lineup has an elite SG in Beal and an All-Star-caliber PF in Randle. Mitch is a nice C who doesn't seem to have been developing, he may never be much more than what we've seen from him. IMO Bullock and Payton are not starters on a contending team — maybe backups playing behind much, much better players.
Let's assume a couple of draft picks can be regained by trading Rivers, Burks and/or Bullock. Payton may be attractive for some teams, maybe could bring back a late first-round pick from a contender, but the Knicks would need another PG just to get through this season. Rose can't play a ton of minutes and IQ is a rookie, bound to hit the wall.
Let's assume that management has a plan, and their goal is to field a championship contender, not just "Let's get relevant and field a reasonably entertaining team that can win a first-round playoff series."
So: What's the next step? They're not relying on the draft if they make that trade. Then it's free agency, which does seem to be the way teams turn around quickly in the NBA. As much as like "trust the process," jumping up through elite free agents is not a crazy idea at all. It's New York, after all, not Milwaukee or Oklahoma City. It's cold, but it's still the Big Apple.
First question: Is this management, coach and the pieces in place enough to convince elite free agents that the Knicks are an ok organization to play for? To wash off the Dolan stink? If so,
Second question: Who are those free agents? Kawhi? Is there any reason to think Kawhi Leonard would come to New York? I think he's the only elite talent in the next FA group. Then You'd still need a PG. Jrue Holiday? Is that enough?
Let's say they are aiming for:
FA-PG
Beal
Leonard
Randle
Mitch
with IQ and Rose coming off the bench, plus some new additions.
That is a formidable team. Needs depth, and not super young, but formidable.
I think I've talked myself into it. But they better hit on their picks or they're going to be a team in decline in just a few years.
You can’t trade back to back first round picks.
Yes you can, you cant go back.to back years with ZERO first round picks
The pick from Dallas in 2023 is protected. There’s no guarantee they’ll have that pick, therefore they can’t trade their 2022 and 2023 picks.
They COULD trade either one of their picks plus the Dallas 2023 protected pick.
Westbrook and Beal are figuring it out and Beal has said multiple times he wants to stay in Washington.
Washington is going to do everything to keep Beal.
reading=trading
Agreed. Better to make aggressive moves later on, focus on development now. Hopefully that includes the playoffs.
Oh please. That’s completely different. People rooting for The Eagles in the super bowl is far worse and the situations aren’t comparable.
If you want to use a comparison to the Nets playing the Sixers in the ECF it would be closer to the Eagles playing the Cowboys in the NFC Championship game. It’s easier to make a case for some people rooting for Philly in that scenario, no?
I’m a Met fan, I gladly rooted for the Yankees when they played them in the World Series.
I’m a Met fan, I gladly rooted for the Yankees when they played them in the World Series.
you are one of the very few
& outside of the Eagles, I don't really hate any Philly team. I'm not into hockey so that crosses off the Flyers & I'm meh about baseball so again, cross off the Phillies. And are the 76ers-Knicks even really rivals? I can't remember one big game between the two teams. This isn't like Knicks-Heat, Knicks-Bulls, & Knicks-Pacers.
I guess what annoys me is a lot of Knick fans mocking the Nets for “culture” in 2018 where they played above their heads and made the playoffs. I always stated that it mattered while most NYK fans didn’t. That season now puts them in a legit position to win a title.
Those same Knick fans are rightfully excited about the team this year, but isn’t it mostly the same as the Nets in 18?
I never mocked the Nets for their 'culture'. But I think 'culture' is overrated. Talent wins in the NBA. And if you have an opportunity to get a talent like Beal, I think you gotta get him, provided you aren't selling the farm.
I never mocked the Nets for their 'culture'. But I think 'culture' is overrated. Talent wins in the NBA. And if you have an opportunity to get a talent like Beal, I think you gotta get him, provided you aren't selling the farm.
RJ, three firsts and two swaps is the farm.
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& Irving. And once they choose to go to Brooklyn, F them. I really just wanted KD, but Kyrie was a package deal so...
I never mocked the Nets for their 'culture'. But I think 'culture' is overrated. Talent wins in the NBA. And if you have an opportunity to get a talent like Beal, I think you gotta get him, provided you aren't selling the farm.
RJ, three firsts and two swaps is the farm.
no its not
I never mocked the Nets for their 'culture'. But I think 'culture' is overrated. Talent wins in the NBA. And if you have an opportunity to get a talent like Beal, I think you gotta get him, provided you aren't selling the farm.
And the Knicks are in a better position to get talent since they are much better coached and hovering around .500.
hell no that is giving up the farm
I’m not sure there is a player in the league that I’d give all of that up for. You’re one injury away from absolute disaster
That is not the farm. That is the Louisiana Purchase. Hell no.
And people doubting Beal are nuts. You aren’t going to get a player that talented without giving up a lot. I swear some Knicks fans wouldn’t treads a couple 1sts for prime Lebron. I would be all over Beal- incredible. You need stars in this league to win. Figure out the rest later. He can play D too....
With that said I wouldn’t believe anything from that clown Michael Kay. And the Wiz have won 4 in a row.
But 3 1sts and RJ for Beal is a complete no brainer. It’s going to cost more...
its sinple for me:
Rj OR Obi
Frank and Knox in the deal, + whatever cap filler
21 dallas and knicks, 22 swap, 23 dallas, 24 swap
Rockets seem close to going full youth
You wouldn’t trade RJ for anyone in the league?
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Sell on RJ. He's untouchable to me.
You wouldn’t trade RJ for anyone in the league?
It depends, I guess. I think he has more value to the knicks than he does as a trade piece.
I don’t see him ageing well, he is a very good player, but unathletic. I’m not trading the future for him. I’m all for Beal and lavine just not mccullum. He doesn’t fit with the timeline of the team.
I don’t see him ageing well, he is a very good player, but unathletic. I’m not trading the future for him. I’m all for Beal and lavine just not mccullum. He doesn’t fit with the timeline of the team.
McCullum is a comp to Quickley, I think Quickley will ultimately land like McCullum off ball.
Both are undersized at 6'3 and have similar games.
IMO McCullum will age well because he shoots the lights out. Career .400 shooter from 3 and it hasn't gone down with volume.
Do I want to give up what it will take to get him now in his career and where the Knicks are no.
Also BTW Dame deserves the MVP and get very little respect.
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makes sense that there would be a portion of them rooting for the Sixers if they were to play the Nets.
Oh please. That’s completely different. People rooting for The Eagles in the super bowl is far worse and the situations aren’t comparable.
If you want to use a comparison to the Nets playing the Sixers in the ECF it would be closer to the Eagles playing the Cowboys in the NFC Championship game. It’s easier to make a case for some people rooting for Philly in that scenario, no?
Wha? How on earth do the nets compare at all to Dallas?
Philly nets in ECF?? Go nets. Some of you are nuts.
The nets? Who fucking cares if they win? There are 24 nets fans. Who cares?
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makes sense that there would be a portion of them rooting for the Sixers if they were to play the Nets.
Oh please. That’s completely different. People rooting for The Eagles in the super bowl is far worse and the situations aren’t comparable.
If you want to use a comparison to the Nets playing the Sixers in the ECF it would be closer to the Eagles playing the Cowboys in the NFC Championship game. It’s easier to make a case for some people rooting for Philly in that scenario, no?
Wha? How on earth do the nets compare at all to Dallas?
Philly nets in ECF?? Go nets. Some of you are nuts.
The nets? Who fucking cares if they win? There are 24 nets fans. Who cares?
A division rival that happens to play in the same city and is getting hyped beyond belief? It may not be a perfect comp but it’s certainly a hell of a lot more accurate than comparing it to Giants fans rooting for the fucking Eagles in the Super Bowl.
You can love the Nets all you want. I don’t give a shit. But I guaranfuckingtee you that if they win the championship and have all the pieces to win again after that, your tune is going to change. The hype is already nauseating. Can you imagine after they start winning? I’m hoping that gets nipped in the bud before it becomes a problem. Fuck the Nets. I have no interest in seeing them win a championship.
why would you probably lose him? This isnt the old Knicks regime, Wes and Rose have legit connections, if they are trading for someone they know they can keep them..
Ps I’d rather trade toppin than Barrett but maybe Barrett has built up enough of a rep to make a deal more palatable, meaning less players going to wash.
Have you let your dry cleaner know to expect some extra pants after the Knicks potentially acquire a full priced veteran acquisition, or do you keep your fetish to yourself?
Sean holding onto (and attempting to defend) one of the dumber BBI takes in recent history should make for some fun.
I’m a Met fan, I gladly rooted for the Yankees when they played them in the World Series.
Cool, so you'll root for any local winner.
Not exactly something I'd hang my hat on, but whatever.
No, you just didn't realize that the Sixers are just as irrelevant as the Nets, but not as local. And the Nets are the current superteam du jour, with Durant, Harden, Irving - right in the backyard of the Knicks.
No one who isn't already a Nets fan should try to justify rooting for them, although it sounds like you want an excuse to do exactly that.
Again, is there a 76ers Knicks rivalry? I don't think so. I can't recall one meaningful game vs. Philly in my life. I'm not even kidding. This isn't like Giants-Eagles, not even in the same universe. And the Nets hatred is entirely justifiable considering they have two of the more universally disliked players in the league in Kyrie & Harden.
Thibodeau is also debating whether to return Kevin Knox to the rotation at power forward, using him with Randle at center. Knox was taken out of the rotation on Jan. 31 against the Clippers — 10 games ago. Knox, the Knicks’ 2018 lottery pick, has made three garbage-time cameos in that span, playing a total of nine minutes.
The Knicks were a disaster offensively in the second half Wednesday at Orlando, missing 15 straight shots and amassing just 33 points following halftime in the 107-89 loss. Knox’s 3-point shooting could come in handy, as he was hitting them at a career-best 37.9 percent clip.
Meanwhile, the Knicks’ 2020 lottery pick, Toppin, is struggling from deep (29.7 percent) and looked tentative while playing just 11 minutes against the Magic.
Sources said the Knicks want to stand pat for now at center. In fact, the Knicks let young Westchester Knicks center Justin Patton, the No. 16 pick of the 2017 draft, sign a two-way deal with the Rockets on Friday. Patton, 23, played under Thibodeau in Minnesota.
I didn’t think my post would start a debate, ha. I certainly respect that view. I happen to like Doc Rivers and have no issues with the Sixers aside from them being in Philly.
I’m a Knick fan who doesn’t have hatred for this current Net squad. Just being honest. I did hate the Kidd/Martin era Nets.