According to Bondy Knicks are willing to give up the assets to get Beal..
Knocks also monitoring Mccollum, Portland jas a decision to make because Lewis is going to get paid this summer and he has played well with Mccollum hurt
Pretty damn good team. Then in the offseason you still have almost another max available to go after maybe Lowry or CP3 on a high AAV short term deal to replace Payton. Would be nice to upgrade on Bullock too, although I do think he's actually become a decently useful player.
Is what do the Knicks have up their sleeve after adding Beal? Regarding cost to get Beal the best thing about this start under Thibs is we have finally seen player development here. Knicks finally dealing from a position of strength. Key is what’s lined up after any Beal trade if it were to happen.
Ps I’d rather trade toppin than Barrett but maybe Barrett has built up enough of a rep to make a deal more palatable, meaning less players going to wash.
Pretty damn good team. Then in the offseason you still have almost another max available to go after maybe Lowry or CP3 on a high AAV short term deal to replace Payton. Would be nice to upgrade on Bullock too, although I do think he's actually become a decently useful player.
You going to win with Beal? When? Its a hard swallow mortgaging the building blocks . I guess it depends on how long Beal plays and plays at his elite level. Will he age well and stay healthy
Pretty damn good team. Then in the offseason you still have almost another max available to go after maybe Lowry or CP3 on a high AAV short term deal to replace Payton. Would be nice to upgrade on Bullock too, although I do think he's actually become a decently useful player.
Gonna ruminate on this for minute:
That team makes the playoffs but is not going to compete for a title. The lineup has an elite SG in Beal and an All-Star-caliber PF in Randle. Mitch is a nice C who doesn't seem to have been developing, he may never be much more than what we've seen from him. IMO Bullock and Payton are not starters on a contending team — maybe backups playing behind much, much better players.
Let's assume a couple of draft picks can be regained by trading Rivers, Burks and/or Bullock. Payton may be attractive for some teams, maybe could bring back a late first-round pick from a contender, but the Knicks would need another PG just to get through this season. Rose can't play a ton of minutes and IQ is a rookie, bound to hit the wall.
Let's assume that management has a plan, and their goal is to field a championship contender, not just "Let's get relevant and field a reasonably entertaining team that can win a first-round playoff series."
So: What's the next step? They're not relying on the draft if they make that trade. Then it's free agency, which does seem to be the way teams turn around quickly in the NBA. As much as like "trust the process," jumping up through elite free agents is not a crazy idea at all. It's New York, after all, not Milwaukee or Oklahoma City. It's cold, but it's still the Big Apple.
First question: Is this management, coach and the pieces in place enough to convince elite free agents that the Knicks are an ok organization to play for? To wash off the Dolan stink? If so,
Second question: Who are those free agents? Kawhi? Is there any reason to think Kawhi Leonard would come to New York? I think he's the only elite talent in the next FA group. Then You'd still need a PG. Jrue Holiday? Is that enough?
Let's say they are aiming for:
FA-PG
Beal
Leonard
Randle
Mitch
with IQ and Rose coming off the bench, plus some new additions.
That is a formidable team. Needs depth, and not super young, but formidable.
I think I've talked myself into it. But they better hit on their picks or they're going to be a team in decline in just a few years.
This comes up every week and Washington is not moving Beal.
Westbrook and Beal are figuring it out and Beal has said multiple times he wants to stay in Washington.
Washington is going to do everything to keep Beal.
also, not enough being said about the many first round draft picks thrown in. The players in this years draft are REALLY REALLY good. At some point a trade will factor into this but not now. Be patient. Collect assets. Every day we become a better destination for free agents. How about we sign a younger Bradley Beal over the next two years in free agency and KEEP the assets. To act like our future options are not greatly diminished by trading three first round picks is wrong.
makes sense that there would be a portion of them rooting for the Sixers if they were to play the Nets.
Oh please. That’s completely different. People rooting for The Eagles in the super bowl is far worse and the situations aren’t comparable.
If you want to use a comparison to the Nets playing the Sixers in the ECF it would be closer to the Eagles playing the Cowboys in the NFC Championship game. It’s easier to make a case for some people rooting for Philly in that scenario, no?
I can't stand Irving and Harden. KD...I'm lukewarm on him, but I still think him going to Golden State was one of the softest moves in recent NBA history.
& outside of the Eagles, I don't really hate any Philly team. I'm not into hockey so that crosses off the Flyers & I'm meh about baseball so again, cross off the Phillies. And are the 76ers-Knicks even really rivals? I can't remember one big game between the two teams. This isn't like Knicks-Heat, Knicks-Bulls, & Knicks-Pacers.
Didn’t you want Durant & Irving leading up to the summer of 2019? Wasn’t that the dream? Draft Zion and then sign Durant & Irving. That was literally the talk for the Knicks leading up to that summer.
I guess what annoys me is a lot of Knick fans mocking the Nets for “culture” in 2018 where they played above their heads and made the playoffs. I always stated that it mattered while most NYK fans didn’t. That season now puts them in a legit position to win a title.
Those same Knick fans are rightfully excited about the team this year, but isn’t it mostly the same as the Nets in 18?
& Irving. And once they choose to go to Brooklyn, F them. I really just wanted KD, but Kyrie was a package deal so...
I never mocked the Nets for their 'culture'. But I think 'culture' is overrated. Talent wins in the NBA. And if you have an opportunity to get a talent like Beal, I think you gotta get him, provided you aren't selling the farm.
& Irving. And once they choose to go to Brooklyn, F them. I really just wanted KD, but Kyrie was a package deal so...
I never mocked the Nets for their 'culture'. But I think 'culture' is overrated. Talent wins in the NBA. And if you have an opportunity to get a talent like Beal, I think you gotta get him, provided you aren't selling the farm.
& Irving. And once they choose to go to Brooklyn, F them. I really just wanted KD, but Kyrie was a package deal so...
I never mocked the Nets for their 'culture'. But I think 'culture' is overrated. Talent wins in the NBA. And if you have an opportunity to get a talent like Beal, I think you gotta get him, provided you aren't selling the farm.
& Irving. And once they choose to go to Brooklyn, F them. I really just wanted KD, but Kyrie was a package deal so...
I never mocked the Nets for their 'culture'. But I think 'culture' is overrated. Talent wins in the NBA. And if you have an opportunity to get a talent like Beal, I think you gotta get him, provided you aren't selling the farm.
And the Knicks are in a better position to get talent since they are much better coached and hovering around .500.
Some Knicks fans are truly incredible. One poster said they had zero interest in CJ.... do you know how good that guy is?
And people doubting Beal are nuts. You aren’t going to get a player that talented without giving up a lot. I swear some Knicks fans wouldn’t treads a couple 1sts for prime Lebron. I would be all over Beal- incredible. You need stars in this league to win. Figure out the rest later. He can play D too....
With that said I wouldn’t believe anything from that clown Michael Kay. And the Wiz have won 4 in a row.
But 3 1sts and RJ for Beal is a complete no brainer. It’s going to cost more...
RE: Lol. Just trying to see where the line is for the people willing to
I’m the guy who said I have no interest in McCullum. Turning 30 in September. 3 years $100 million starting next year.
I don’t see him ageing well, he is a very good player, but unathletic. I’m not trading the future for him. I’m all for Beal and lavine just not mccullum. He doesn’t fit with the timeline of the team.
I’m the guy who said I have no interest in McCullum. Turning 30 in September. 3 years $100 million starting next year.
I don’t see him ageing well, he is a very good player, but unathletic. I’m not trading the future for him. I’m all for Beal and lavine just not mccullum. He doesn’t fit with the timeline of the team.
McCullum is a comp to Quickley, I think Quickley will ultimately land like McCullum off ball.
Both are undersized at 6'3 and have similar games.
IMO McCullum will age well because he shoots the lights out. Career .400 shooter from 3 and it hasn't gone down with volume.
Do I want to give up what it will take to get him now in his career and where the Knicks are no.
Also BTW Dame deserves the MVP and get very little respect.
RE: RE: Ah, I forgot BBI had a bunch of people root for the Eagles in the SB..
makes sense that there would be a portion of them rooting for the Sixers if they were to play the Nets.
Oh please. That’s completely different. People rooting for The Eagles in the super bowl is far worse and the situations aren’t comparable.
If you want to use a comparison to the Nets playing the Sixers in the ECF it would be closer to the Eagles playing the Cowboys in the NFC Championship game. It’s easier to make a case for some people rooting for Philly in that scenario, no?
Wha? How on earth do the nets compare at all to Dallas?
Philly nets in ECF?? Go nets. Some of you are nuts.
The nets? Who fucking cares if they win? There are 24 nets fans. Who cares?
RE: RE: RE: Ah, I forgot BBI had a bunch of people root for the Eagles in the SB..
makes sense that there would be a portion of them rooting for the Sixers if they were to play the Nets.
Oh please. That’s completely different. People rooting for The Eagles in the super bowl is far worse and the situations aren’t comparable.
If you want to use a comparison to the Nets playing the Sixers in the ECF it would be closer to the Eagles playing the Cowboys in the NFC Championship game. It’s easier to make a case for some people rooting for Philly in that scenario, no?
Wha? How on earth do the nets compare at all to Dallas?
Philly nets in ECF?? Go nets. Some of you are nuts.
The nets? Who fucking cares if they win? There are 24 nets fans. Who cares?
A division rival that happens to play in the same city and is getting hyped beyond belief? It may not be a perfect comp but it’s certainly a hell of a lot more accurate than comparing it to Giants fans rooting for the fucking Eagles in the Super Bowl.
You can love the Nets all you want. I don’t give a shit. But I guaranfuckingtee you that if they win the championship and have all the pieces to win again after that, your tune is going to change. The hype is already nauseating. Can you imagine after they start winning? I’m hoping that gets nipped in the bud before it becomes a problem. Fuck the Nets. I have no interest in seeing them win a championship.
As in any trade, what it takes to get the player is very important.
If we have to give up the farm to get Beal, it's not a good idea. We'd probably lose him when he becomes a free agent next year. McCollum should require less in return because of his age. Point guard, IMO, is his best position.
RE: As in any trade, what it takes to get the player is very important.
If we have to give up the farm to get Beal, it's not a good idea. We'd probably lose him when he becomes a free agent next year. McCollum should require less in return because of his age. Point guard, IMO, is his best position.
why would you probably lose him? This isnt the old Knicks regime, Wes and Rose have legit connections, if they are trading for someone they know they can keep them..
Mitch
Julius
Bullock
Beal
Payton
with Rose, IQ, Noel, Burks coming off the bench.
Pretty damn good team. Then in the offseason you still have almost another max available to go after maybe Lowry or CP3 on a high AAV short term deal to replace Payton. Would be nice to upgrade on Bullock too, although I do think he's actually become a decently useful player.
Ps I’d rather trade toppin than Barrett but maybe Barrett has built up enough of a rep to make a deal more palatable, meaning less players going to wash.
Mitch
Julius
Bullock
Beal
Payton
with Rose, IQ, Noel, Burks coming off the bench.
Pretty damn good team. Then in the offseason you still have almost another max available to go after maybe Lowry or CP3 on a high AAV short term deal to replace Payton. Would be nice to upgrade on Bullock too, although I do think he's actually become a decently useful player.
Or Jrue Holiday
Scary Terry is sneakily having a bit of a breakout year too. 20 PPG on 49% from the field and 45 (!!) % from 3.
Scary Terry is sneakily having a bit of a breakout year too. 20 PPG on 49% from the field and 45 (!!) % from 3.
Draymond is a moron, plain and simple..
and anyone else think Curry isnt really sick and they just wanted an excuse to sit him? Kerr already admitted he doesnt care about winning this year
no
Mitch
Julius
Bullock
Beal
Payton
with Rose, IQ, Noel, Burks coming off the bench.
Pretty damn good team. Then in the offseason you still have almost another max available to go after maybe Lowry or CP3 on a high AAV short term deal to replace Payton. Would be nice to upgrade on Bullock too, although I do think he's actually become a decently useful player.
That team makes the playoffs but is not going to compete for a title. The lineup has an elite SG in Beal and an All-Star-caliber PF in Randle. Mitch is a nice C who doesn't seem to have been developing, he may never be much more than what we've seen from him. IMO Bullock and Payton are not starters on a contending team — maybe backups playing behind much, much better players.
Let's assume a couple of draft picks can be regained by trading Rivers, Burks and/or Bullock. Payton may be attractive for some teams, maybe could bring back a late first-round pick from a contender, but the Knicks would need another PG just to get through this season. Rose can't play a ton of minutes and IQ is a rookie, bound to hit the wall.
Let's assume that management has a plan, and their goal is to field a championship contender, not just "Let's get relevant and field a reasonably entertaining team that can win a first-round playoff series."
So: What's the next step? They're not relying on the draft if they make that trade. Then it's free agency, which does seem to be the way teams turn around quickly in the NBA. As much as like "trust the process," jumping up through elite free agents is not a crazy idea at all. It's New York, after all, not Milwaukee or Oklahoma City. It's cold, but it's still the Big Apple.
First question: Is this management, coach and the pieces in place enough to convince elite free agents that the Knicks are an ok organization to play for? To wash off the Dolan stink? If so,
Second question: Who are those free agents? Kawhi? Is there any reason to think Kawhi Leonard would come to New York? I think he's the only elite talent in the next FA group. Then You'd still need a PG. Jrue Holiday? Is that enough?
Let's say they are aiming for:
FA-PG
Beal
Leonard
Randle
Mitch
with IQ and Rose coming off the bench, plus some new additions.
That is a formidable team. Needs depth, and not super young, but formidable.
I think I've talked myself into it. But they better hit on their picks or they're going to be a team in decline in just a few years.
You can’t trade back to back first round picks.
Yes you can, you cant go back.to back years with ZERO first round picks
The pick from Dallas in 2023 is protected. There’s no guarantee they’ll have that pick, therefore they can’t trade their 2022 and 2023 picks.
They COULD trade either one of their picks plus the Dallas 2023 protected pick.
Westbrook and Beal are figuring it out and Beal has said multiple times he wants to stay in Washington.
Washington is going to do everything to keep Beal.
reading=trading
Agreed. Better to make aggressive moves later on, focus on development now. Hopefully that includes the playoffs.
Oh please. That’s completely different. People rooting for The Eagles in the super bowl is far worse and the situations aren’t comparable.
If you want to use a comparison to the Nets playing the Sixers in the ECF it would be closer to the Eagles playing the Cowboys in the NFC Championship game. It’s easier to make a case for some people rooting for Philly in that scenario, no?
I’m a Met fan, I gladly rooted for the Yankees when they played them in the World Series.
I’m a Met fan, I gladly rooted for the Yankees when they played them in the World Series.
you are one of the very few
& outside of the Eagles, I don't really hate any Philly team. I'm not into hockey so that crosses off the Flyers & I'm meh about baseball so again, cross off the Phillies. And are the 76ers-Knicks even really rivals? I can't remember one big game between the two teams. This isn't like Knicks-Heat, Knicks-Bulls, & Knicks-Pacers.
I guess what annoys me is a lot of Knick fans mocking the Nets for “culture” in 2018 where they played above their heads and made the playoffs. I always stated that it mattered while most NYK fans didn’t. That season now puts them in a legit position to win a title.
Those same Knick fans are rightfully excited about the team this year, but isn’t it mostly the same as the Nets in 18?
I never mocked the Nets for their 'culture'. But I think 'culture' is overrated. Talent wins in the NBA. And if you have an opportunity to get a talent like Beal, I think you gotta get him, provided you aren't selling the farm.
I never mocked the Nets for their 'culture'. But I think 'culture' is overrated. Talent wins in the NBA. And if you have an opportunity to get a talent like Beal, I think you gotta get him, provided you aren't selling the farm.
RJ, three firsts and two swaps is the farm.
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& Irving. And once they choose to go to Brooklyn, F them. I really just wanted KD, but Kyrie was a package deal so...
I never mocked the Nets for their 'culture'. But I think 'culture' is overrated. Talent wins in the NBA. And if you have an opportunity to get a talent like Beal, I think you gotta get him, provided you aren't selling the farm.
RJ, three firsts and two swaps is the farm.
no its not
I never mocked the Nets for their 'culture'. But I think 'culture' is overrated. Talent wins in the NBA. And if you have an opportunity to get a talent like Beal, I think you gotta get him, provided you aren't selling the farm.
And the Knicks are in a better position to get talent since they are much better coached and hovering around .500.
hell no that is giving up the farm
I’m not sure there is a player in the league that I’d give all of that up for. You’re one injury away from absolute disaster
That is not the farm. That is the Louisiana Purchase. Hell no.
And people doubting Beal are nuts. You aren’t going to get a player that talented without giving up a lot. I swear some Knicks fans wouldn’t treads a couple 1sts for prime Lebron. I would be all over Beal- incredible. You need stars in this league to win. Figure out the rest later. He can play D too....
With that said I wouldn’t believe anything from that clown Michael Kay. And the Wiz have won 4 in a row.
But 3 1sts and RJ for Beal is a complete no brainer. It’s going to cost more...
its sinple for me:
Rj OR Obi
Frank and Knox in the deal, + whatever cap filler
21 dallas and knicks, 22 swap, 23 dallas, 24 swap
Rockets seem close to going full youth
You wouldn’t trade RJ for anyone in the league?
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Sell on RJ. He's untouchable to me.
You wouldn’t trade RJ for anyone in the league?
It depends, I guess. I think he has more value to the knicks than he does as a trade piece.
I don’t see him ageing well, he is a very good player, but unathletic. I’m not trading the future for him. I’m all for Beal and lavine just not mccullum. He doesn’t fit with the timeline of the team.
I don’t see him ageing well, he is a very good player, but unathletic. I’m not trading the future for him. I’m all for Beal and lavine just not mccullum. He doesn’t fit with the timeline of the team.
McCullum is a comp to Quickley, I think Quickley will ultimately land like McCullum off ball.
Both are undersized at 6'3 and have similar games.
IMO McCullum will age well because he shoots the lights out. Career .400 shooter from 3 and it hasn't gone down with volume.
Do I want to give up what it will take to get him now in his career and where the Knicks are no.
Also BTW Dame deserves the MVP and get very little respect.
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makes sense that there would be a portion of them rooting for the Sixers if they were to play the Nets.
Oh please. That’s completely different. People rooting for The Eagles in the super bowl is far worse and the situations aren’t comparable.
If you want to use a comparison to the Nets playing the Sixers in the ECF it would be closer to the Eagles playing the Cowboys in the NFC Championship game. It’s easier to make a case for some people rooting for Philly in that scenario, no?
Wha? How on earth do the nets compare at all to Dallas?
Philly nets in ECF?? Go nets. Some of you are nuts.
The nets? Who fucking cares if they win? There are 24 nets fans. Who cares?
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makes sense that there would be a portion of them rooting for the Sixers if they were to play the Nets.
Oh please. That’s completely different. People rooting for The Eagles in the super bowl is far worse and the situations aren’t comparable.
If you want to use a comparison to the Nets playing the Sixers in the ECF it would be closer to the Eagles playing the Cowboys in the NFC Championship game. It’s easier to make a case for some people rooting for Philly in that scenario, no?
Wha? How on earth do the nets compare at all to Dallas?
Philly nets in ECF?? Go nets. Some of you are nuts.
The nets? Who fucking cares if they win? There are 24 nets fans. Who cares?
A division rival that happens to play in the same city and is getting hyped beyond belief? It may not be a perfect comp but it’s certainly a hell of a lot more accurate than comparing it to Giants fans rooting for the fucking Eagles in the Super Bowl.
You can love the Nets all you want. I don’t give a shit. But I guaranfuckingtee you that if they win the championship and have all the pieces to win again after that, your tune is going to change. The hype is already nauseating. Can you imagine after they start winning? I’m hoping that gets nipped in the bud before it becomes a problem. Fuck the Nets. I have no interest in seeing them win a championship.
why would you probably lose him? This isnt the old Knicks regime, Wes and Rose have legit connections, if they are trading for someone they know they can keep them..