I have seen a couple of insiders suggest the Giants might be looking at Holmes as a CB2 and looking to find another slot corner. Anybody else hearing this? Thoughts?
Who said THEY viewed Holmes as an outside guy. Nothing from the Giants..
But, it should be noted that he played on the perimeter almost exclusively at UCLA. If you remember the rap on him from last draft was that although he had ideal size to project to the slot, he handnt done much of it in college.
It's certainly an option. Holmes can hopefully turn into a nice mid to late round value player.
He showed he belongs as a rookie. He should get a look as an outside guy here. People overlook that we’re five deep in quality DBs with Bradbury, Peppers, Ryan, McKinney and Holmes. It’s not a position of great need.
and could very well be in the mix as an outside guy. If they have him compete and he can win the starting job, maybe you see a guy like McKinney/Love/Ryan as the slot guy. Maybe Holmes bumps inside when they go to nickle.
He showed he belongs as a rookie. He should get a look as an outside guy here. People overlook that we’re five deep in quality DBs with Bradbury, Peppers, Ryan, McKinney and Holmes. It’s not a position of great need.
Safety is certainly not a need, though I could see the Giants taking a "BPA" late-round safety primarily for special teams. Cornerback still seems thin to me, even if Holmes pans out as a starting outside corner.
He showed he belongs as a rookie. He should get a look as an outside guy here. People overlook that we’re five deep in quality DBs with Bradbury, Peppers, Ryan, McKinney and Holmes. It’s not a position of great need.
Safety is certainly not a need, though I could see the Giants taking a "BPA" late-round safety primarily for special teams. Cornerback still seems thin to me, even if Holmes pans out as a starting outside corner.
We have Love and Yiadom as our #6 and #7 DBs. Not to shabby.
He showed he belongs as a rookie. He should get a look as an outside guy here. People overlook that we’re five deep in quality DBs with Bradbury, Peppers, Ryan, McKinney and Holmes. It’s not a position of great need.
Safety is certainly not a need, though I could see the Giants taking a "BPA" late-round safety primarily for special teams. Cornerback still seems thin to me, even if Holmes pans out as a starting outside corner.
We have Love and Yiadom as our #6 and #7 DBs. Not to shabby.
Fair. If Love turns out to be an average NFL corner, there's no urgency to add CBs to the group of Bradberry, Ryan (CB/S), Holmes, Love, Yiadom.
I've been thinking Farley or Surtain would be catnip for the Giants if they're available. Maybe not.
needs to prove he can stay on the field to be a starter. There was way too much in/out. Right now looks more like a bit player who is nice to have, when available.
He showed he belongs as a rookie. He should get a look as an outside guy here. People overlook that we’re five deep in quality DBs with Bradbury, Peppers, Ryan, McKinney and Holmes. It’s not a position of great need.
Safety is certainly not a need, though I could see the Giants taking a "BPA" late-round safety primarily for special teams. Cornerback still seems thin to me, even if Holmes pans out as a starting outside corner.
We have Love and Yiadom as our #6 and #7 DBs. Not to shabby.
So wrong. We are so close to making the secondary a dominate unit. That's what you win with. Draft a top cb and we finally have an identity. CB is a need.
He showed he belongs as a rookie. He should get a look as an outside guy here. People overlook that we’re five deep in quality DBs with Bradbury, Peppers, Ryan, McKinney and Holmes. It’s not a position of great need.
Safety is certainly not a need, though I could see the Giants taking a "BPA" late-round safety primarily for special teams. Cornerback still seems thin to me, even if Holmes pans out as a starting outside corner.
We have Love and Yiadom as our #6 and #7 DBs. Not to shabby.
So wrong. We are so close to making the secondary a dominate unit. That's what you win with. Draft a top cb and we finally have an identity. CB is a need.
new york pass defense to make a reappereance.
Insofar as its a "good idea" to move Holmes to play as a boundry CB
after proving himself worthy of being in the pole position to start as the slot CB in 2021, let's try starting Peart at OLT amd move Gates to OG or RT, too!!!
By a trainer who works exclusively with DB's and is considered an expert.
He notes that Holmes did not allow a single touchdown last year and considers that extraordinary. He talks about the difficulty of switching to the slot, the lack of a sideline and safety for help, and the size of the field that has to be defended. It's almost as if he standing conventional thinking on its head: if you're outstanding in the slot, you'll be outstanding on the outside
He concludes that Holmes has the potential to be an excellent no.2 CB and points out that Revis (sp?), a potential hOF'er, was 5-11 too, and, indeed, that 5-11 might be an advantage.. Of course, that provoked memories of Prince being abused by taller WR's.
Peppers, Ryan Logan and McKinney, we can go three safety's and Peppers/McKinney are going to provide great flexibility. And there's still a chance Beal is going to surprise.
I started a thread a few weeks ago wondering if CB was really a position of need and this article subsequently influenced me.
I remember last year when it didn't look as if they were interested in a center and I concluded (way before it was written) that the answer was on the roster. I trust they've done the same analysis this year and Might well have concluded that "the answer is at hand" and we're free to go BPA right through the draft - maybe WR notwithstanding.
Something good happening when you can lose your top picks (DeAndre Baker & Sam Beal) and fill in with fifth rounder's (Love, Holmes) and relatively cheap free agent finds (Logan Ryan, Isaic Yiadom and BArnett).
By a trainer who works exclusively with DB's and is considered an expert.
He notes that Holmes did not allow a single touchdown last year and considers that extraordinary. He talks about the difficulty of switching to the slot, the lack of a sideline and safety for help, and the size of the field that has to be defended. It's almost as if he standing conventional thinking on its head: if you're outstanding in the slot, you'll be outstanding on the outside
He concludes that Holmes has the potential to be an excellent no.2 CB and points out that Revis (sp?), a potential hOF'er, was 5-11 too, and, indeed, that 5-11 might be an advantage.. Of course, that provoked memories of Prince being abused by taller WR's.
Peppers, Ryan Logan and McKinney, we can go three safety's and Peppers/McKinney are going to provide great flexibility. And there's still a chance Beal is going to surprise.
I started a thread a few weeks ago wondering if CB was really a position of need and this article subsequently influenced me.
I remember last year when it didn't look as if they were interested in a center and I concluded (way before it was written) that the answer was on the roster. I trust they've done the same analysis this year and Might well have concluded that "the answer is at hand" and we're free to go BPA right through the draft - maybe WR notwithstanding.
Something good happening when you can lose your top picks (DeAndre Baker & Sam Beal) and fill in with fifth rounder's (Love, Holmes) and relatively cheap free agent finds (Logan Ryan, Isaic Yiadom and BArnett).
Rosters are never finished, time doesn't stand still, players will get injured, leave via UFA, fade away, etc.
This backend could take a leap adding Surtain or Farley to it. The value of doing so could be the best talent add available too at #11. Don't get too hung up on need here, even though the Giants themselves could well do it.
Holmes held up pretty well but he's got to clean up the penalties, he gets caught grabbing too often.
will be set in the slot and the team will look to add a CB2.
There were a number of games he could've moved to CB2 last season but the staff has been very happy with his work in the slot.
Exactly. I think they'll give Love a long look at #2 CB before moving Holmes over there. He's been outstanding covering the slot, why solve one problem by creating another?
That seems borderline for CB2 plus looking at his testing results, he was very quick but did not have a great vertical jump.
Agreed, which is why I don't think he will be moved off of the slot. You're weakening the slot CB spot in the hopes that it will solve the #2 CB position, without any assurances he will succeed at it.
As I've said before, I think 2nd CB is a bigger problem than many seem to think. It would not surprise me in the least if DG goes there at 11. In fact, Surtain would be my top choice with that pick, if available.
Don't know why I think that. There isn't much to support the idea other than a premonition. But they fail all the time at CB. Traded up to get a kid a few years ago who they subsequently cut. After the 13 - 3 season they virtually released the entire starting defensive backfield and invested heavily in the position in the draft. Now those guys are going bust.
I like Patrick Surtain but his measurables don't "measure" up. So that's my hope, that The Boys invest and find another bust.
But, it should be noted that he played on the perimeter almost exclusively at UCLA. If you remember the rap on him from last draft was that although he had ideal size to project to the slot, he handnt done much of it in college.
It's certainly an option. Holmes can hopefully turn into a nice mid to late round value player.
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He showed he belongs as a rookie. He should get a look as an outside guy here. People overlook that we’re five deep in quality DBs with Bradbury, Peppers, Ryan, McKinney and Holmes. It’s not a position of great need.
Safety is certainly not a need, though I could see the Giants taking a "BPA" late-round safety primarily for special teams. Cornerback still seems thin to me, even if Holmes pans out as a starting outside corner.
We have Love and Yiadom as our #6 and #7 DBs. Not to shabby.
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He showed he belongs as a rookie. He should get a look as an outside guy here. People overlook that we’re five deep in quality DBs with Bradbury, Peppers, Ryan, McKinney and Holmes. It’s not a position of great need.
Safety is certainly not a need, though I could see the Giants taking a "BPA" late-round safety primarily for special teams. Cornerback still seems thin to me, even if Holmes pans out as a starting outside corner.
We have Love and Yiadom as our #6 and #7 DBs. Not to shabby.
I've been thinking Farley or Surtain would be catnip for the Giants if they're available. Maybe not.
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He showed he belongs as a rookie. He should get a look as an outside guy here. People overlook that we’re five deep in quality DBs with Bradbury, Peppers, Ryan, McKinney and Holmes. It’s not a position of great need.
Safety is certainly not a need, though I could see the Giants taking a "BPA" late-round safety primarily for special teams. Cornerback still seems thin to me, even if Holmes pans out as a starting outside corner.
We have Love and Yiadom as our #6 and #7 DBs. Not to shabby.
So wrong. We are so close to making the secondary a dominate unit. That's what you win with. Draft a top cb and we finally have an identity. CB is a need.
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He showed he belongs as a rookie. He should get a look as an outside guy here. People overlook that we’re five deep in quality DBs with Bradbury, Peppers, Ryan, McKinney and Holmes. It’s not a position of great need.
Safety is certainly not a need, though I could see the Giants taking a "BPA" late-round safety primarily for special teams. Cornerback still seems thin to me, even if Holmes pans out as a starting outside corner.
We have Love and Yiadom as our #6 and #7 DBs. Not to shabby.
So wrong. We are so close to making the secondary a dominate unit. That's what you win with. Draft a top cb and we finally have an identity. CB is a need.
new york pass defense to make a reappereance.
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He notes that Holmes did not allow a single touchdown last year and considers that extraordinary. He talks about the difficulty of switching to the slot, the lack of a sideline and safety for help, and the size of the field that has to be defended. It's almost as if he standing conventional thinking on its head: if you're outstanding in the slot, you'll be outstanding on the outside
He concludes that Holmes has the potential to be an excellent no.2 CB and points out that Revis (sp?), a potential hOF'er, was 5-11 too, and, indeed, that 5-11 might be an advantage.. Of course, that provoked memories of Prince being abused by taller WR's.
Peppers, Ryan Logan and McKinney, we can go three safety's and Peppers/McKinney are going to provide great flexibility. And there's still a chance Beal is going to surprise.
I started a thread a few weeks ago wondering if CB was really a position of need and this article subsequently influenced me.
I remember last year when it didn't look as if they were interested in a center and I concluded (way before it was written) that the answer was on the roster. I trust they've done the same analysis this year and Might well have concluded that "the answer is at hand" and we're free to go BPA right through the draft - maybe WR notwithstanding.
Something good happening when you can lose your top picks (DeAndre Baker & Sam Beal) and fill in with fifth rounder's (Love, Holmes) and relatively cheap free agent finds (Logan Ryan, Isaic Yiadom and BArnett).
He notes that Holmes did not allow a single touchdown last year and considers that extraordinary. He talks about the difficulty of switching to the slot, the lack of a sideline and safety for help, and the size of the field that has to be defended. It's almost as if he standing conventional thinking on its head: if you're outstanding in the slot, you'll be outstanding on the outside
He concludes that Holmes has the potential to be an excellent no.2 CB and points out that Revis (sp?), a potential hOF'er, was 5-11 too, and, indeed, that 5-11 might be an advantage.. Of course, that provoked memories of Prince being abused by taller WR's.
Peppers, Ryan Logan and McKinney, we can go three safety's and Peppers/McKinney are going to provide great flexibility. And there's still a chance Beal is going to surprise.
I started a thread a few weeks ago wondering if CB was really a position of need and this article subsequently influenced me.
I remember last year when it didn't look as if they were interested in a center and I concluded (way before it was written) that the answer was on the roster. I trust they've done the same analysis this year and Might well have concluded that "the answer is at hand" and we're free to go BPA right through the draft - maybe WR notwithstanding.
Something good happening when you can lose your top picks (DeAndre Baker & Sam Beal) and fill in with fifth rounder's (Love, Holmes) and relatively cheap free agent finds (Logan Ryan, Isaic Yiadom and BArnett).
Is Holmes really 5’11”?
This backend could take a leap adding Surtain or Farley to it. The value of doing so could be the best talent add available too at #11. Don't get too hung up on need here, even though the Giants themselves could well do it.
Holmes held up pretty well but he's got to clean up the penalties, he gets caught grabbing too often.
There were a number of games he could've moved to CB2 last season but the staff has been very happy with his work in the slot.
There were a number of games he could've moved to CB2 last season but the staff has been very happy with his work in the slot.
Exactly. I think they'll give Love a long look at #2 CB before moving Holmes over there. He's been outstanding covering the slot, why solve one problem by creating another?
Is Holmes really 5’11”?
He measured 5'9 1/2" at the combine.
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Is Holmes really 5’11”?
He measured 5'9 1/2" at the combine.
That seems borderline for CB2 plus looking at his testing results, he was very quick but did not have a great vertical jump.
That seems borderline for CB2 plus looking at his testing results, he was very quick but did not have a great vertical jump.
Agreed, which is why I don't think he will be moved off of the slot. You're weakening the slot CB spot in the hopes that it will solve the #2 CB position, without any assurances he will succeed at it.
As I've said before, I think 2nd CB is a bigger problem than many seem to think. It would not surprise me in the least if DG goes there at 11. In fact, Surtain would be my top choice with that pick, if available.
I like Patrick Surtain but his measurables don't "measure" up. So that's my hope, that The Boys invest and find another bust.