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UGADawgs7 : 2/21/2021 1:27 pm
Posted just a smiley face on Twitter.
No idea if it could mean he signed or is close to signing a new deal here or if he’s just having a good day in general. Figure if it’s because he’s close to signing sweet.
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I'll admit I decided to do some day drinking today  
Giantsfan79 : 2/21/2021 1:37 pm : link
so in vino veritas, but why is everyone so enamored with Gallman? His rushing stats indicate he's a JAG, granted he's our JAG since we drafted him, but what has he really done to earn a second contract here?

When SB got hurt he didn't carry the team by himself, he's only rush for 100+ yards once in all his time here. Anything more than the vet minimum for him seems like a massive overpay and if he were to leave in free agency he seems like the type of RB that's easily replaced. Yet many on this board really want to resign him. I don't get it.
He’s a hardworking role player  
UConn4523 : 2/21/2021 1:48 pm : link
nothing more. Good for him if he gets paid though.
RE: I'll admit I decided to do some day drinking today  
Gatorade Dunk : 2/21/2021 1:50 pm : link
In comment 15158186 Giantsfan79 said:
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so in vino veritas, but why is everyone so enamored with Gallman? His rushing stats indicate he's a JAG, granted he's our JAG since we drafted him, but what has he really done to earn a second contract here?

When SB got hurt he didn't carry the team by himself, he's only rush for 100+ yards once in all his time here. Anything more than the vet minimum for him seems like a massive overpay and if he were to leave in free agency he seems like the type of RB that's easily replaced. Yet many on this board really want to resign him. I don't get it.

He stepped up nicely at times this year.

But backup RBs never deserve a second contract unless they've become go-forward starters during their rookie deal.

RB depth is incredibly fungible, as long as your scouts are even remotely competent. Re-signing a backup RB coming off his rookie deal is an indictment of your scouts.

I assume DG will re-sign Gallman. Not sure whether it's because he doesn't trust his scouts to identify an easy, cheap replacement, or if it's because he just genuinely believes (mistakenly) in the value of veteran backups at the most young-man position in the league (I'm getting Jonathan Stewart flashbacks already), but I'll be pleasantly surprised if DG realizes that going cheap on the RB depth chart is the correct move 100% of the time.
RE: He’s a hardworking role player  
Gatorade Dunk : 2/21/2021 1:52 pm : link
In comment 15158191 UConn4523 said:
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nothing more. Good for him if he gets paid though.

Not if we're the ones paying him.

There will be a dozen guys available on day 3 of the draft and another dozen as UDFA who can come very close to replicating WG's production at a fraction of his 2nd contract cost.
Yeah I worded that poorly  
UConn4523 : 2/21/2021 1:54 pm : link
definitely don’t want to pay him.
I've never seen him  
Bill in UT : 2/21/2021 1:54 pm : link
as a starting quality back. Keep him only if he's cheap
Giantfan  
SLIM_ : 2/21/2021 1:55 pm : link
I don't think we should break the bank for him. I think it would be odd for him to be resigned this early and I think if he did, it probably would be a mistake for the Giants.

I'm all for bringing him back though. It took awhile for him to establish himself as the starting running back replacement for Saquon but in his last games, he put up good numbers (110 carries, 538 yards, 4.9 average , with 8 touchdowns). He proved he can run behind this line so why not try to bring him back.

I have no interest in running Saquon 400 times a year even if he is healthy. I'd love to get Saquon about 12-15 carries a game with another 5-8 touches in the passing game. Gallman has proven that he can be effective but hasn't proven to be able to handle the workload. His last half season averaged out to 13.75 carries which is almost perfect to the range that I would expect our backup to get (12-15 carries).

Yes, there are other backs who can do this but why change when you don't have to. We can sign Gallman and try for 3rd running back later in the draft or as a rookie free agent.
Gallman  
AcidTest : 2/21/2021 1:58 pm : link
runs hard, but is a career backup. I wouldn't resign him unless the deal was very favorable. We have other priorities, and I assume that someone else will offer him more. Good for him if that happens.
RE: Giantfan  
Gatorade Dunk : 2/21/2021 2:16 pm : link
In comment 15158200 SLIM_ said:
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I'm all for bringing him back though.

At what price?

That's what matters. He's going to get more than a rookie contract, so he should be better than a rookie RB. I don't think any backup RB is better than a rookie contract value, but I'm curious to hear why you feel differently.

Every dollar you give Gallman is one less dollar to re-sign Williams and/or one less dollar to reinforce the roster elsewhere.
liked Gallman  
Rory : 2/21/2021 2:32 pm : link
but with the potential SB could miss more time this season I would like a backup who has veteran experience being a successful starting RB in this league.

Also unlike last year we need to change the role from backup to a 1b as I wont expect the Giants to throw SB in there every play

Jamal Williams or James Conner could be a fit.
RE: liked Gallman  
Gatorade Dunk : 2/21/2021 2:33 pm : link
In comment 15158220 Rory said:
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but with the potential SB could miss more time this season I would like a backup who has veteran experience being a successful starting RB in this league.

Also unlike last year we need to change the role from backup to a 1b as I wont expect the Giants to throw SB in there every play

Jamal Williams or James Conner could be a fit.

Completely the opposite of the correct way to assemble a roster.

Not shocking.
RE: RE: liked Gallman  
Rory : 2/21/2021 2:41 pm : link
In comment 15158221 Gatorade Dunk said:
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but with the potential SB could miss more time this season I would like a backup who has veteran experience being a successful starting RB in this league.

Also unlike last year we need to change the role from backup to a 1b as I wont expect the Giants to throw SB in there every play

Jamal Williams or James Conner could be a fit.


Completely the opposite of the correct way to assemble a roster.

Not shocking.


unless you want to use a valuable early draft pick that we need to address the defense, explain to me how this isn't a good approach.

You really want to roll the dice on less proven rb behind Barkley?
Giants won’t have a ton of money to spend on RBs.....  
Simms11 : 2/21/2021 2:48 pm : link
this off-season. Gallman being signed to a two or three year cap-friendly deal would be fine. He’s a nice change of pace back and runs hard between the tackles. I think he’s in his prime now as well. It appears like he sees the holes better now too. Anyway, sign Gallman and add a guy like Samuel in Free Agency and now you have a nice trio of backs. Samuel is more then a receiver and was used in the backfield quite a bit in Carolina. One of our biggest problems last year was pass blocking from the RBs. That has to get better as well. There were moments where the Oline would be fine and the RB misses a block, allowing the rusher to get to the QB. Barkley and Gallman have had some very bad moments pass blocking.
Gallman  
Toth029 : 2/21/2021 3:01 pm : link
Is a nice story, but his fumble in the open field in the finale is why he's a backup. He shouldn't be re-signed if he wants dollars and a decent work load.

Saquon needs to better in pass pro and in his cuts, but he is so dynamic he should never be pulled out to bring in someone like WG. Draft a kid in the late rds or look at UDFA's.
For the Vet minimum, I'd like Alfred Morris to come back.  
No Where Man : 2/21/2021 3:04 pm : link
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You don't need a VET  
jvm52106 : 2/21/2021 3:17 pm : link
RB unless you are a playoff team with SB aspirations and you want a guy who knows his assignments and is a role player and locker room positive.

With the Gmen this coming year we want guys with talent, developmental skills and CHEAP!
RE: He’s a hardworking role player  
EricJ : 2/21/2021 3:30 pm : link
In comment 15158191 UConn4523 said:
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nothing more. Good for him if he gets paid though.


I disagree... he proved that he is good enough to win with if we have a solid OL. We have people here who say the RB position is over rated and essentially plug and play. We did not lose any games last year because of Gallman's inability to do his job.
Carl Lawson  
EddieNYG : 2/21/2021 3:30 pm : link
Liked the smiley face tweet by Wayne Gallman, for whatever that means lol.
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I don’t mind Gallman...  
Vin_Cuccs : 2/21/2021 3:33 pm : link
But he just seems very ordinary. Not dynamic.

I don’t mind him as depth, but I certainly wouldn’t break the bank for him.

I think last season is a good sample size, and indicative of what he can do.

I think RB is a sneaky need this off season. As I said, Gallman is serviceable, but with Barkley’s injury history, they could use some depth at that position.
If you were him?  
GeoMan999 : 2/21/2021 5:21 pm : link
Would you want to sign a contract in February to be Saquon’s backup?

I like him, but can’t see him signing with us. Maybe if we get closer to training camp and he isn’t signed by someone else.
For one  
mdthedream : 2/21/2021 5:30 pm : link
he deserves it number two he is great near the end zone. esp inside the 5. Unlike Barkley hits the hole yard and also jumps over the pile.
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UConn4523 : 2/21/2021 5:37 pm : link
In comment 15158240 EricJ said:
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nothing more. Good for him if he gets paid though.



I disagree... he proved that he is good enough to win with if we have a solid OL. We have people here who say the RB position is over rated and essentially plug and play. We did not lose any games last year because of Gallman's inability to do his job.


No shot, Gallman is not a feature RB, isn’t a plus in any category. He hit his ceiling this year and it didn’t move the needle for us at all. The drop off from Barkley to Gallman is immense.
Reliable depth at RB is more important than any other position,  
Ivan15 : 2/21/2021 6:43 pm : link
Including QB. Especially when your starter has been injured for the last 2 years and you don’t know what he is capable of this season.

Gallman may be a JAG, but he is ours and he deserves more than the veteran minimum. He is also a good change of pace to Barkley’s game. If someone can find someone better at receiving and pass blocking for the same money Gallman will sign for somewhere, we have found the next GM of the Giants.
Gianffan  
SLIM_ : 2/21/2021 7:35 pm : link
I say 2 years at maybe $4m (total). If other teams want to throw money at him, that is fine but I'd like to get him back .
I just heard  
broadbandz : 2/21/2021 7:40 pm : link
Colt McCoy posted a heart shaped emoji on friendster
RE: RE: I'll admit I decided to do some day drinking today  
GManinDC : 2/21/2021 7:57 pm : link
In comment 15158193 Gatorade Dunk said:
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so in vino veritas, but why is everyone so enamored with Gallman? His rushing stats indicate he's a JAG, granted he's our JAG since we drafted him, but what has he really done to earn a second contract here?

When SB got hurt he didn't carry the team by himself, he's only rush for 100+ yards once in all his time here. Anything more than the vet minimum for him seems like a massive overpay and if he were to leave in free agency he seems like the type of RB that's easily replaced. Yet many on this board really want to resign him. I don't get it.


He stepped up nicely at times this year.

But backup RBs never deserve a second contract unless they've become go-forward starters during their rookie deal.

RB depth is incredibly fungible, as long as your scouts are even remotely competent. Re-signing a backup RB coming off his rookie deal is an indictment of your scouts.

I assume DG will re-sign Gallman. Not sure whether it's because he doesn't trust his scouts to identify an easy, cheap replacement, or if it's because he just genuinely believes (mistakenly) in the value of veteran backups at the most young-man position in the league (I'm getting Jonathan Stewart flashbacks already), but I'll be pleasantly surprised if DG realizes that going cheap on the RB depth chart is the correct move 100% of the time.


You make excellent points here. I would agree with you word for word, BUT, the way this offense seems to be built around the RB (Barkley) and (BTW, I don't agree with), in this instance. with how it's built, it would be the wisest idea to resign Gallman.

I just just wouldn't trust the idea of a draft pick stepping up and starting, say 3 - 5 games, if SB gets hurt. Now, if you was building the offense in more RPO/WR/TE intensive scheme, I would agree with you 100%
Totally agree with the overall sentiment that backup RBs (if not most)  
Jimmy Googs : 2/21/2021 8:36 pm : link
have low overall value due to their position and the relative ease to replace their productivity.

However, the Giants still need a few guys in the RB unit and their top one is coming back from injury. Gallman is a JAG, like most RBs, but he was also probably Co-Offensive MVP last year with Nick Gates so I am fine with a relatively modest second contract.

What the hell is the difference if we pay Gallman on a second deal versus giving the same money to somebody else's RB?

Barkley will be ready to go. Draft a guy on Day 3, bring back Gallman and maybe even add a 4th guy sometime in late May.

That's four....and should be enough.
You don’t pay a backup RB  
JoeyBigBlue : 2/21/2021 10:27 pm : link
A second contract. Let another team overpay. Draft a RB late in the draft.
Deciphering social media  
GiantsRage2007 : 2/22/2021 8:43 am : link
Good luck.

Maybe he got laid.
RE: RE: RE: liked Gallman  
Gatorade Dunk : 2/22/2021 9:15 am : link
In comment 15158222 Rory said:
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In comment 15158221 Gatorade Dunk said:


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but with the potential SB could miss more time this season I would like a backup who has veteran experience being a successful starting RB in this league.

Also unlike last year we need to change the role from backup to a 1b as I wont expect the Giants to throw SB in there every play

Jamal Williams or James Conner could be a fit.


Completely the opposite of the correct way to assemble a roster.

Not shocking.



unless you want to use a valuable early draft pick that we need to address the defense, explain to me how this isn't a good approach.

You really want to roll the dice on less proven rb behind Barkley?

Because backup RBs don't require a valuable early draft pick. In many cases, they don't require a draft pick at all.
We have Saquon Barkley  
adamg : 2/22/2021 9:57 am : link
We don't need to spend more than a day 3 pick on RB. Not even that. Roll with some UDFA and cast offs. We're set at back.
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