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NFT: T'wolves @ Knicks 7 pm MSG

Del Shofner : 2/21/2021 6:47 pm
Just watched the end of Celts - Pelicans - biggest comeback in Pels' history - they were down 24 and ended up winning in OT.

Anyway - LGK!
You can tell why Thibs and Towns didnt get along  
nygiants16 : 2/21/2021 7:16 pm : link
softest big in the league
Quickley doing Quickley things.  
bceagle05 : 2/21/2021 7:36 pm : link
Up 12 early.
RE: Quickley doing Quickley things.  
Jim in Fairfax : 2/21/2021 7:38 pm : link
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Up 12 early.

I’d say he’s doing things Quickley.
Clean block by Obi called a foul  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 2/21/2021 7:42 pm : link
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2 bs calls  
nygiants16 : 2/21/2021 7:43 pm : link
and quickley mugged no call
Shaky officiating  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/21/2021 7:44 pm : link
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Obi’s defense has been better than advertised.  
bceagle05 : 2/21/2021 7:46 pm : link
Unfortunately his offense has been worse than advertised.
so do the Knicks need to be tackled  
nygiants16 : 2/21/2021 7:55 pm : link
to get a foul call? dear lord..

Gibson gets pushed out of pounds going for a rebound no call, obi is mugged no call..

You would think the twolves had the reputation for being a good defesive team
Nope, Payton was tackled  
bceagle05 : 2/21/2021 8:01 pm : link
and still didn’t get a whistle.
RE: Nope, Payton was tackled  
nygiants16 : 2/21/2021 8:04 pm : link
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and still didn’t get a whistle.


Rj got clotheslined lol
What’s up with the camera on MSG GO?  
Ralph.C : 2/21/2021 8:04 pm : link
I’m watching using the app and the only camera angle is a court side one that looks like an amateur fan doing the shots. Plus commercial audios play while the image of the game is on the screen.

Anyone know what the deal is?
Looks like we worked on beating a zone  
bceagle05 : 2/21/2021 8:06 pm : link
during that extended practice time.
RE: You can tell why Thibs and Towns didnt get along  
Earl the goat : 2/21/2021 8:07 pm : link
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softest big in the league



He would still look great in a knick uniform
why do i feel like  
nygiants16 : 2/21/2021 8:07 pm : link
Rubio always kills the Knicks?
RE: RE: You can tell why Thibs and Towns didnt get along  
nygiants16 : 2/21/2021 8:07 pm : link
In comment 15158344 Earl the goat said:
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softest big in the league




He would still look great in a knick uniform


hell no, so you going to apologize?
RE: What’s up with the camera on MSG GO?  
nygiants16 : 2/21/2021 8:08 pm : link
In comment 15158342 Ralph.C said:
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I’m watching using the app and the only camera angle is a court side one that looks like an amateur fan doing the shots. Plus commercial audios play while the image of the game is on the screen.

Anyone know what the deal is?


You using Mobile view or regular view?
Randle being Randle  
mfsd : 2/21/2021 8:36 pm : link
Noel’s playing well with his extra minutes since Mitch got hurt too
Workmanlike effort against a bad team.  
bceagle05 : 2/21/2021 8:56 pm : link
Onto the fourth....
completely ignore  
nygiants16 : 2/21/2021 9:00 pm : link
the towns hook and push? seriously
Awful start to the fourth - Wolves cut it to 10.  
bceagle05 : 2/21/2021 9:00 pm : link
Bench has sucked these past two games.
jeez -  
Del Shofner : 2/21/2021 9:01 pm : link
IQ hurting the team there with poor shot selection.

Thibs may not give the second unit much leash here. The first unit was doing pretty well and you don't want to let Minny back in.
This is, uh, not going well.  
bceagle05 : 2/21/2021 9:08 pm : link
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RE: What’s up with the camera on MSG GO?  
steve in ky : 2/21/2021 9:08 pm : link
In comment 15158342 Ralph.C said:
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I’m watching using the app and the only camera angle is a court side one that looks like an amateur fan doing the shots. Plus commercial audios play while the image of the game is on the screen.

Anyone know what the deal is?


I’m watching NBA GamePass and the feed is very blurry.

Frustrating that an NBA game has these issues.

Ralph, how’s things going? You mentioned once that you were thinking about trying out for The Voice, any luck with that?
Randle has to take that WIDE open three  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 2/21/2021 9:08 pm : link
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Pass it to Bradley Beal.  
bceagle05 : 2/21/2021 9:09 pm : link
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fricken bench  
nygiants16 : 2/21/2021 9:09 pm : link
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KAT just took one of the worst shots in the history of the sport  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 2/21/2021 9:10 pm : link
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RJ tosses it up for an And 1  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 2/21/2021 9:11 pm : link
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Both IQ and Rose with lousy games  
mfsd : 2/21/2021 9:13 pm : link
Randle and Barrett trying to hold them off
For a 20 year long old RJB  
steve in ky : 2/21/2021 9:16 pm : link
Sure plays with intense determination. Rare thing for such a young age.
RE: Both IQ and Rose with lousy games  
nygiants16 : 2/21/2021 9:18 pm : link
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Randle and Barrett trying to hold them off


they killed all momentum
Knicks can’t hit the broad side of a barn in the 4th so far  
mfsd : 2/21/2021 9:19 pm : link
Someone needs to hit a couple shots
Guys missing wide open shots from 5 feet away  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 2/21/2021 9:20 pm : link
never helps.
wtf is rj doing??  
nygiants16 : 2/21/2021 9:20 pm : link
you are surrounded by 4 guys stop forcing it
Minn  
Ron Johnson : 2/21/2021 9:21 pm : link
Crowding the paint. They have to drive and kick
Towns sure hasn't looked soft in the 4th  
Stu11 : 2/21/2021 9:22 pm : link
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Noel is right.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 2/21/2021 9:24 pm : link
KAT had his arm locked up.
RE: Towns sure hasn't looked soft in the 4th  
nygiants16 : 2/21/2021 9:25 pm : link
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why because he has made shots?
dude rj stop forcing  
nygiants16 : 2/21/2021 9:26 pm : link
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Need a stop  
Ron Johnson : 2/21/2021 9:27 pm : link
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RE: RE: Towns sure hasn't looked soft in the 4th  
Earl the goat : 2/21/2021 9:27 pm : link
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why because he has made shots?
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jrapps : 2/21/2021 9:28 pm : link
Obi playing some decent D but he’s shown very little on O. He plays hot potato when gets the ball or chucks a random 3. If he can’t get a dunk on O he’s practically useless.
Taj Gibson...  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 2/21/2021 9:29 pm : link
The ancient one with the defense.
RE: RE: RE: Towns sure hasn't looked soft in the 4th  
nygiants16 : 2/21/2021 9:29 pm : link
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27-15-4 and 3 blocks isn’t soft

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why because he has made shots?



still waiting for my apology
RE: RE: RE: Towns sure hasn't looked soft in the 4th  
Stu11 : 2/21/2021 9:30 pm : link
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27-15-4 and 3 blocks isn’t soft

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why because he has made shots?


15/9 /2 blocks in a quarter. That's not soft. If it is get me some of those softies on the knicks.
RE: Taj Gibson...  
mfsd : 2/21/2021 9:30 pm : link
In comment 15158383 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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The ancient one with the defense.


Yup, not bad for our 3rd center.

Need to finish this boys let’s go
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nygiants16 : 2/21/2021 9:31 pm : link
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why because he has made shots?




15/9 /2 blocks in a quarter. That's not soft. If it is get me some of those softies on the knicks.


no one said he wasnt a good player and good scorer, his game is soft, plain and simple
Get IQ in there  
Carl in CT : 2/21/2021 9:32 pm : link
And get him the ball to shoot FTs.
Knicks did a good job switching everything.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 2/21/2021 9:32 pm : link
Dumb foul.
Big board by Randle on that miss  
mfsd : 2/21/2021 9:33 pm : link
make your free throws please
Ugly wins count too  
mfsd : 2/21/2021 9:34 pm : link
Knicks with some good defense in the last 2 minutes
that was closer  
Del Shofner : 2/21/2021 9:34 pm : link
than it should have been
Burks with stones of Saturn.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 2/21/2021 9:34 pm : link
Knicks hold on.
Horrible fourth but we survived.  
bceagle05 : 2/21/2021 9:35 pm : link
Fans back on Tuesday, another chance to get to .500.
Randle 25-14-4  
Del Shofner : 2/21/2021 9:36 pm : link
Burks is a good FT shooter.
KAT takes too many “Fuck it threes”.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 2/21/2021 9:37 pm : link
Like I’m shooting this now no matter what.
Bench needs to wake up  
nygiants16 : 2/21/2021 9:37 pm : link
Rose and Iq both off the past 2 games, for this team to win games on most nightd they need the bench
RE: Bench needs to wake up  
Stu11 : 2/21/2021 9:41 pm : link
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Rose and Iq both off the past 2 games, for this team to win games on most nightd they need the bench

Agreed. The bench was awful the last 2. Thank god we survived this.
Wow  
Jon in NYC : 2/21/2021 9:44 pm : link
Way too close at the end. How does Towns not ask out soon? That supporting cast is absolute garbage. Even with Russell.
Give Bullock credit  
nygiants16 : 2/21/2021 9:46 pm : link
his defense on Beasley was very good
RJ with 21 but more impressively for me  
Del Shofner : 2/21/2021 9:48 pm : link
+20 in that suckfest - easily the best on the Knicks.

Derrick Rose  
Enzo : 2/21/2021 10:06 pm : link
has made 5 shots over his last 3 games, going 5-27. He was supposed to help what was a bottom 5 offense...but he's doing the opposite.
Rose and Iq arent taking bad shots  
nygiants16 : 2/21/2021 10:19 pm : link
just not falling, Rose missed a couple of wide open layups and IQ's floater has been off for a few games
We missed Mitch tonight  
larryflower37 : 2/21/2021 10:23 pm : link
Hate to say it but we need a center that can force opposing Center to play defense.
But a win is a win.
RJ played a good game and plays well in ugly games.
Bench was a mess tonight outside of Burks.
Rose, Quickley and Toppin 3 for 16 combined.
Watching Nets-Clippers what a horrific call at the end  
Stu11 : 2/21/2021 10:34 pm : link
I have no dog in the fight but noway in he'll is that an offensive foul on Kawhi. Harden is such a flopping bitch.
Not crazy about that fourth quarter, but I'll take the W  
Anakim : 2/21/2021 10:46 pm : link
It amazes how bad Noel's hands are. Mitchell Robinson has the same thing. I remember hearing a C (maybe Shaq) explaining that he missed so many free throws because it's like throwing a marble into a basket. But I digress. Whenever a pass goes to Robinson and Noel, they almost always bobble it.
Wolves just fired their coach, Woj reports.  
bceagle05 : 2/21/2021 11:07 pm : link
A few more top three picks and maybe they’ll be mediocre.
RE: Wolves just fired their coach, Woj reports.  
nygiants16 : 2/21/2021 11:11 pm : link
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A few more top three picks and maybe they’ll be mediocre.


Hiring Raptors assistant to a multi year deal,this must of been in the works
RE: RE: Wolves just fired their coach, Woj reports.  
Anakim : 2/21/2021 11:16 pm : link
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A few more top three picks and maybe they’ll be mediocre.



Hiring Raptors assistant to a multi year deal,this must of been in the works


I didn't know you were allowed to hire an assistant from another team midseason
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bceagle05 : 2/21/2021 11:16 pm : link
RE: RE: RE: Wolves just fired their coach, Woj reports.  
nygiants16 : 2/21/2021 11:18 pm : link
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A few more top three picks and maybe they’ll be mediocre.



Hiring Raptors assistant to a multi year deal,this must of been in the works



I didn't know you were allowed to hire an assistant from another team midseason


they got permission from Toronto, doesnt happen very often
Curious to see if Woj takes any shots at Minny for this move.  
bceagle05 : 2/21/2021 11:35 pm : link
How bout Carlisle? Kerr? Pop? Let’s hear from the Fiz Fan Club.
Woj says Beal is unlikely to be traded before deadline  
shyster : 2/22/2021 4:09 am : link
On last night's NBA Countdown.

This article expands on that and speculates about destinations for Beal (Warriors, Pelicans) if he were to be traded, perhaps in the off-season.

As for CJ McCollum, certainly an excellent player when he's on the court. But two years older than Beal and currently out with his third career foot fracture.
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I find Noel maddening  
Heisenberg : 2/22/2021 8:08 am : link
He's really good defender but his hands are 2021 Evan Engram esque. Combine that with his slight frame and that makes him a terrible rebounder for his position. And he has absolutely zero feel for what he's doing on the offensive end. I'm half convinced that one of the bad RJ floaters was supposed to be a lob to him. Noel has value and can help a team but he really is a limited player. Mitch is already a lot better, IMO.

Taj was a bit of a better matchup for Towns and definitely a better fit down the stretch.

RJ was good most of the night although I'd say that there was one drive where he got swatted by KAT that had me thinking that we really need to focus on going through Randle in a close game like that. Finally they did after that swat and it paid off with Randle getting to the line.

Randle is a stud. I was so sick of him last year but the dude is playing well and brings it every night.

I'm not sure he'll every be worth what he's gonna get paid but you can see how having another scorer like Lavine would change a tight game like that. RJ is a good scorer but he's not a shot creator. Having a guy that can stretch the floor and create his own shot would make it so much harder for the opponent. Instead, because Randle is the only one who can get his own shot, it leaves the Knicks playing a little uphill most nights. Luckily, The Wolves only had one guy too and it didn't cost them. But that wont hold in the playoffs.

I'm on board with adding Oladipo on the cheap for this reason. Definitely on board with Lavine at the right price too. Would love Beal but don't want a Carmelo situation where they empty the cupboard and Beal is riding solo with a bunch of castoffs.

also, saw this quote from Kobe about the young Randle. "He's Lamar Odom in Zach Randolph's body". That's been the tease and we're finally seeing it night after night. I love the guy. Can't believe I'm saying it.
I am not  
TommyWiseau : 2/22/2021 8:11 am : link
Trading for Oladipo. We need shooters and he is not it. If he came here in free agency, fine. But not giving up assets for him
RE: Curious to see if Woj takes any shots at Minny for this move.  
Stu11 : 2/22/2021 8:36 am : link
In comment 15158427 bceagle05 said:
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How bout Carlisle? Kerr? Pop? Let’s hear from the Fiz Fan Club.

This x1000. Knicks caught a lot of heat from those guys.
RE: Curious to see if Woj takes any shots at Minny for this move.  
nygiants16 : 2/22/2021 8:38 am : link
In comment 15158427 bceagle05 said:
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How bout Carlisle? Kerr? Pop? Let’s hear from the Fiz Fan Club.


Remember that tweet woj had about how fiz was left with a rudderless roster and took the hit? well he deleted it because it was being retweeted after knicks beat the hawks
These bad shooting nights get tiresome FAST man.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/22/2021 8:48 am : link
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Center is a problem...  
Italianju : 2/22/2021 8:48 am : link
taj cant be relied on to play big minute every game. Noel is a better player when he is playing 20 minutes a game then 30. Its one of the reasons we are what his 4th team in 7 years or whatever. I like Noel a lot as a backup. And i like Taj as a 3rd string center. We need to hope that Mitch is on that early side of the timetable and def cant have any setbacks.

And man that wolves roster sucks. Obviously too early to tell what Edwards will be, but the rest, yeesh. Rubio is what he is a solid PG, Beasley is solid, but after that im not sure anyone on the roster could even crack the knick rotation. I get they are missing Russel, but still.
RE: RE: Curious to see if Woj takes any shots at Minny for this move.  
Stu11 : 2/22/2021 8:48 am : link
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How bout Carlisle? Kerr? Pop? Let’s hear from the Fiz Fan Club.



Remember that tweet woj had about how fiz was left with a rudderless roster and took the hit? well he deleted it because it was being retweeted after knicks beat the hawks

I mean we here on these threads are not shy about criticizing the Knicks, but the heat those guys gave the Knicks for firing a guy with a .200 winning % bordered on comical.
RE: RE: Curious to see if Woj takes any shots at Minny for this move.  
Enzo : 2/22/2021 9:23 am : link
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How bout Carlisle? Kerr? Pop? Let’s hear from the Fiz Fan Club.



Remember that tweet woj had about how fiz was left with a rudderless roster and took the hit? well he deleted it because it was being retweeted after knicks beat the hawks

Most of the time Woj just states the news...but when he injects his opinion you realize he really is the worst. Just a petty little bitch.
RE: Center is a problem...  
Enzo : 2/22/2021 9:25 am : link
In comment 15158460 Italianju said:
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taj cant be relied on to play big minute every game. Noel is a better player when he is playing 20 minutes a game then 30. Its one of the reasons we are what his 4th team in 7 years or whatever. I like Noel a lot as a backup. And i like Taj as a 3rd string center. We need to hope that Mitch is on that early side of the timetable and def cant have any setbacks.

it really wouldn't kill them to go with Randle at center for short stretches. Who knows, maybe Thibs will stumble onto an offense combination that can actually score a little bit.
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nygiants16 : 2/22/2021 9:30 am : link
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taj cant be relied on to play big minute every game. Noel is a better player when he is playing 20 minutes a game then 30. Its one of the reasons we are what his 4th team in 7 years or whatever. I like Noel a lot as a backup. And i like Taj as a 3rd string center. We need to hope that Mitch is on that early side of the timetable and def cant have any setbacks.


it really wouldn't kill them to go with Randle at center for short stretches. Who knows, maybe Thibs will stumble onto an offense combination that can actually score a little bit.


The game tomorrow would be the game to go small, Warriors have no bigs
Knicks need to be patient with C  
GMEN46 : 2/22/2021 9:47 am : link
There is no need to panic and trade for Drummond. Mitch will be back soon enough and he really anchors the defense and his hands are like Jerry Rice when compared to Nerlens Noel.
^^^^^  
Del Shofner : 2/22/2021 9:50 am : link
not sure I understand why they just let C Justin Patton go for nothing to the Rockets - OK, he signed a two-way so that's a professional courtesy but I don't think you're required to let a guy go if he's offered a two-way.

C Shittu is playing well offensively down there but I can't assess his D based on limited viewing time. There's also C Labissiere. But they don't seem interested in bringing up a third C while Mitch is out. Personally I think it would be a good idea - last night shows why - but what do I know.
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nygiants16 : 2/22/2021 9:54 am : link
In comment 15158489 Del Shofner said:
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not sure I understand why they just let C Justin Patton go for nothing to the Rockets - OK, he signed a two-way so that's a professional courtesy but I don't think you're required to let a guy go if he's offered a two-way.

C Shittu is playing well offensively down there but I can't assess his D based on limited viewing time. There's also C Labissiere. But they don't seem interested in bringing up a third C while Mitch is out. Personally I think it would be a good idea - last night shows why - but what do I know.


Knixks have no rights to the players on their g league team except for harper and iggy..

If Kbicks want to bring someone up  
nygiants16 : 2/22/2021 9:55 am : link
they will need to release a player
This was an impressive finish by RJ  
Heisenberg : 2/22/2021 10:08 am : link
To catch that and finish it was pretty slick. And RJ's defense on Edwards was really good I thought.
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Could Skal Labissiere help while Mitch is recovering  
Ira : 2/22/2021 10:17 am : link
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nygiants16 : 2/22/2021 10:25 am : link
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who you cutting?
Spoke  
DanMetroMan : 2/22/2021 10:33 am : link
to a writer I know this weekend. Nothing cooking but the Knicks have let teams know that nobody is untouchable. They are looking to add to what they have but won't be shy moving 1 or more of the core if it "makes sense". They won't blow it up in the way they did for Melo. The expectation is they look to add ala Rose more than trade anybody off.
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Del Shofner : 2/22/2021 10:38 am : link
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who you cutting?


Harper or Pinson. What are the odds they ever see playing time with the big team?
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nygiants16 : 2/22/2021 10:39 am : link
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Harper or Pinson. What are the odds they ever see playing time with the big team?


I think Pinson is a good locker room guy, id rather keep him..

for me it wouls be iggy
Bring in Mamadi Diakite!  
Greg from LI : 2/22/2021 10:51 am : link
Looking damned good in the G League so far - averaging 16.8 ppg, 9.3 rpg, and 2 blocks. Not a prolific outside shooter but he can knock down an open 3 (3-7 in 7 games). Good one on one defender, but a GREAT help defender.
i actually think last night  
ryanmkeane : 2/22/2021 11:02 am : link
shows the difference between this team and the Knicks of the last 7 years. They probably lose that game last night by 12. Instead, they held them off with good defense when they couldn't buy a bucket and still won by 4. The Wolves aren't good but there's been a few games this year where it was clear the Knicks of old would have lost easily. I know I'm searching for a positive but nights like that add up throughout a whole season.
RE: i actually think last night  
nygiants16 : 2/22/2021 11:04 am : link
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shows the difference between this team and the Knicks of the last 7 years. They probably lose that game last night by 12. Instead, they held them off with good defense when they couldn't buy a bucket and still won by 4. The Wolves aren't good but there's been a few games this year where it was clear the Knicks of old would have lost easily. I know I'm searching for a positive but nights like that add up throughout a whole season.


Last night was the opposite if what has usually been the case for the Knicks..

Usually its the Knicks making a 20 point comeback against a better team and coming up short
RE: You can tell why Thibs and Towns didnt get along  
djm : 2/22/2021 11:34 am : link
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softest big in the league


What bothers me about Towns is Butler and Thibs couldn't get the fuck out of Minny fast enough. I trust Butler and Thibs more than Towns, as talented and productive as he might be. I would be bothered by this chain of events if I was a Twolves fan.

Ugly win last night, but i'll take that over an even uglier loss.
It's encouraging that they stuck this out  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/22/2021 11:37 am : link
but file this less as a learning experience and more as a "holy fuck we should have lost this game."
Towns is soft.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/22/2021 11:46 am : link
But that dude has had a brutal year so I feel awful for him.
Tough week for the Mavs:  
bceagle05 : 2/22/2021 2:21 pm : link
Memphis, Boston, @Philly, @Brooklyn

Hopefully they drop three of four - Brooklyn better play two of their big three.
Melo did a pod with Woj  
nygiants16 : 2/22/2021 3:10 pm : link
Said if he would of taken a shorter deal and was a free agent, he and bron probably would of ended up in New york together with Bosh and wade somewhere togrther..

Also said the deal to Knicks was basically hashed out during a meeting 2 days before all star game with dolan, melo and masai...There were no talks between new york and denver before that meeting, masai didnt think new york had enough..

Deal was done with Jersey but Melo wanted new york so leon rose called the meeting, the hold up was mozgov and melo basically said you are not going to do the deal becajse of 1 player and the Knicks caved..

So when we saw Melo and Amare laughing at the all star game the deal was already done
He wanted the maximum money  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/22/2021 3:26 pm : link
That was always whispered but nice to see it proven.

RE: He wanted the maximum money  
Enzo : 2/22/2021 3:36 pm : link
In comment 15158804 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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That was always whispered but nice to see it proven.

well it was slightly more complicated than that. The lockout was looming and nobody knew what "max money" was going to look like - so he wanted to secure his next deal ASAP. I don't blame him one bit.
Not saying I blame him either!  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/22/2021 3:44 pm : link
But, it does explain why the Knicks traded so much to get a deal done.

He wasn't going to sit and wait and then sign as a free agent.
RE: Tough week for the Mavs:  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/22/2021 3:45 pm : link
In comment 15158750 bceagle05 said:
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Memphis, Boston, @Philly, @Brooklyn

Hopefully they drop three of four - Brooklyn better play two of their big three.


Celts are in a free fall.
RE: RE: He wanted the maximum money  
nygiants16 : 2/22/2021 3:45 pm : link
In comment 15158814 Enzo said:
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That was always whispered but nice to see it proven.



well it was slightly more complicated than that. The lockout was looming and nobody knew what "max money" was going to look like - so he wanted to secure his next deal ASAP. I don't blame him one bit.


yup this 100%, there were also talk about on rollbacks
LBJ & Melo teaming up at  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/22/2021 3:46 pm : link
MSG...

Would have been fun, to state the obvious.
you wonder what the team could  
Enzo : 2/22/2021 3:47 pm : link
have looked like if certain pre-2010 players were held onto. Several good to very good players (Z-Bo, Ariza, Lee, Crawford) were basically just given away. Adding Melo to some or all of them would have been interesting.
RE: LBJ & Melo teaming up at  
nygiants16 : 2/22/2021 3:54 pm : link
In comment 15158825 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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MSG...

Would have been fun, to state the obvious.


I always thought this
RE: Not saying I blame him either!  
TyreeHelmet : 2/22/2021 4:03 pm : link
In comment 15158822 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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But, it does explain why the Knicks traded so much to get a deal done.

He wasn't going to sit and wait and then sign as a free agent.


Did the Knicks really give up a lot? I never understood that narrative...
RE: RE: Not saying I blame him either!  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/22/2021 4:07 pm : link
In comment 15158848 TyreeHelmet said:
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But, it does explain why the Knicks traded so much to get a deal done.

He wasn't going to sit and wait and then sign as a free agent.



Did the Knicks really give up a lot? I never understood that narrative...


They gave up enough that it made it difficult to build anything around him. Look up how many different teammates and starting lineups he played with in NY. Not a coincidence that his biggest success was in a year where they gathered a group of crusty vets around him. And once they were gone they barely did anything.
RE: RE: RE: Not saying I blame him either!  
TyreeHelmet : 2/22/2021 4:11 pm : link
They gave up enough that it made it difficult to build anything around him. Look up how many different teammates and starting lineups he played with in NY. Not a coincidence that his biggest success was in a year where they gathered a group of crusty vets around him. And once they were gone they barely did anything. [/quote]

I think that is true that they did a terrible job of surrounding him with talent. But I don't think the trade was the cause of that. I just think they made some really poor personnel decisions.

But I really don't think the package they sent was an overpay for the type of talent Melo was at 26 years old...
No guarantee what would have happened without the deal  
Matt M. : 2/22/2021 4:33 pm : link
But, Amare was having an MVP type season (at least worthy of consideration) before the deal. He disappeared after.
RE: No guarantee what would have happened without the deal  
nygiants16 : 2/22/2021 5:08 pm : link
In comment 15158872 Matt M. said:
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But, Amare was having an MVP type season (at least worthy of consideration) before the deal. He disappeared after.


He started disappearing before the deal, the team was in freefall before the deal
I think Rockets about to blow it up  
nygiants16 : 2/22/2021 8:25 pm : link
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RE: I think Rockets about to blow it up  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/22/2021 8:28 pm : link
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White having himself a game thus far.
RE: RE: I think Rockets about to blow it up  
BigBlueShock : 2/22/2021 8:37 pm : link
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White having himself a game thus far.

I haven’t seen a ton of him but in the games I’ve seen, White plays like a player that thinks he’s a million times better than he actually is. He doesn’t lack in confidence, that’s for sure
BBS.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/22/2021 9:07 pm : link
I'm a Heels fan so I like White. He's not afraid to shoot the rock, Haha.
RE: RE: Not saying I blame him either!  
Jim in Fairfax : 2/22/2021 9:51 pm : link
In comment 15158848 TyreeHelmet said:
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Did the Knicks really give up a lot? I never understood that narrative...

They gave up a ton. Wilson Chandler, Danilo Gallinari, Raymond Felton, Timofy Mozgov (who was later flipped for a #1 pick). Plus two draft picks that turned into Dario Saric and Jamal Murray.

None of those guys are/were superstars, but they were complementary talent that was sorely needed around Carmelo. If he had waited 4 months they could have kept all of that and perhaps even packaged some of it for another star.

So, yes: I blame Carmelo.
RE: RE: RE: Not saying I blame him either!  
nygiants16 : 2/22/2021 10:09 pm : link
In comment 15159086 Jim in Fairfax said:
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Did the Knicks really give up a lot? I never understood that narrative...


They gave up a ton. Wilson Chandler, Danilo Gallinari, Raymond Felton, Timofy Mozgov (who was later flipped for a #1 pick). Plus two draft picks that turned into Dario Saric and Jamal Murray.

None of those guys are/were superstars, but they were complementary talent that was sorely needed around Carmelo. If he had waited 4 months they could have kept all of that and perhaps even packaged some of it for another star.

So, yes: I blame Carmelo.


Again for the millionth time they couldnt just sign Melo, Knicks did not have the cap space..


Knicks had to trade for Melo to get him there was no waiting to get him..

They did not give up a lot, Chandler is a journeyman eho has been hurt a ton, Gallinari hurt a ton, mozgov is playing in Russia and was terrible..Felton ended up back on the knicks 2 years later..

where the Knicks screwed up was signing tyson chandler and amnestying Billups, Chris Paul wanted New York with Melo, if Knicms were patient they could of teamed them up..

It wasnt the Melo deal that screwed the Knicks, it was Knicks management
Mavs aparently  
nygiants16 : 2/23/2021 7:47 am : link
gauged the trade interest in Porzingis..Janis is not going to be happy
RE: Mavs aparently  
adamg : 2/23/2021 7:56 am : link
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gauged the trade interest in Porzingis..Janis is not going to be happy


What could they get for him?
cant imagine they move him....  
Italianju : 2/23/2021 8:15 am : link
his value has to be lower then when we moved him. He is paid a ton, hasnt done anything to show teams he can stay healthy and honestly hasnt really progressed his game. Some team would still take a shot of course and i wouldnt be shocked if they did just as well as we did (salary relief if they wanted it, a bust former lottery pick and a couple firsts) but they def wouldnt do much better then we did.
Watching KP try to do athletic things is painful  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/23/2021 8:25 am : link
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RE: RE: RE: Not saying I blame him either!  
Enzo : 2/23/2021 8:27 am : link
In comment 15159086 Jim in Fairfax said:
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Did the Knicks really give up a lot? I never understood that narrative...


They gave up a ton. Wilson Chandler, Danilo Gallinari, Raymond Felton, Timofy Mozgov (who was later flipped for a #1 pick). Plus two draft picks that turned into Dario Saric and Jamal Murray.

None of those guys are/were superstars, but they were complementary talent that was sorely needed around Carmelo. If he had waited 4 months they could have kept all of that and perhaps even packaged some of it for another star.

So, yes: I blame Carmelo.

not the moron GM and jackass owner that made the deal?
Nobody put a gun to their heads.
RE: No guarantee what would have happened without the deal  
Enzo : 2/23/2021 8:29 am : link
In comment 15158872 Matt M. said:
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But, Amare was having an MVP type season (at least worthy of consideration) before the deal. He disappeared after.

this is just lazy nonsense, lol.
Melo was traded on Feb 22.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/23/2021 8:45 am : link
Stoudemire game log for all February games before the

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19 *First Game with Melo*
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He averaged 24 and 7 in march after the deal  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/23/2021 8:47 am : link
Really didnt disappear at all until Chandler kind of clogged the paint.
RE: Watching KP try to do athletic things is painful  
Stu11 : 2/23/2021 9:24 am : link
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The guy couldn't show up for the front end of a back to back last night when the team literally hadn't played in over a week! Honestly I know he's not popular at all around here but a guy we really miss from that trade is Hardaway. Dallas basically is on national tv almost every game so I've watched them a ton lately and he's playing really well. He would be a perfect fit playing with Randle. He's a good spot up shooter who's not scared of taking the big shot late in the game.
RE: Mavs aparently  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/23/2021 9:27 am : link
In comment 15159184 nygiants16 said:
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gauged the trade interest in Porzingis..Janis is not going to be happy


I think we've seen peak Zinger & it's all downhill from here.
Ja Morant shooting 20.6% from 3 pt for the year  
shyster : 2/23/2021 9:37 am : link
13-63. Has missed his last 15 in a row.

Good player, yes, but his shooting is a flaw. Doesn't have the classic J in his arsenal.

Dallas reached out to Golden State  
nygiants16 : 2/23/2021 9:40 am : link
according to Begely on a kp trade
I'd be surprised  
Jan in DC : 2/23/2021 9:57 am : link
if GS had interest. A big that likes to shoot the 3 doesn't feel like someone who would compliment Curry's game.
RE: I'd be surprised  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/23/2021 10:06 am : link
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if GS had interest. A big that likes to shoot the 3 doesn't feel like someone who would compliment Curry's game.


They're all about spacing and making 3s, and you have to give him that he's shooting incredibly well from 3 this year.

. He'd fit right in, but as a secondary player, not a #2 type guy.
RE: cant imagine they move him....  
djm : 2/23/2021 10:42 am : link
In comment 15159194 Italianju said:
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his value has to be lower then when we moved him. He is paid a ton, hasnt done anything to show teams he can stay healthy and honestly hasnt really progressed his game. Some team would still take a shot of course and i wouldnt be shocked if they did just as well as we did (salary relief if they wanted it, a bust former lottery pick and a couple firsts) but they def wouldnt do much better then we did.


I don't think I would trade back those 2 first rounders for KP. It's not even the picks or the assets it's more KP's value and that max deal. I am all but convinced this current regime will find someone to take a max deal and sooner rather than later. KP can go fuck himself into obscurity. Glad I am being proven wrong on this trade.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Not saying I blame him either!  
Jim in Fairfax : 2/23/2021 10:47 am : link
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Did the Knicks really give up a lot? I never understood that narrative...


They gave up a ton. Wilson Chandler, Danilo Gallinari, Raymond Felton, Timofy Mozgov (who was later flipped for a #1 pick). Plus two draft picks that turned into Dario Saric and Jamal Murray.

None of those guys are/were superstars, but they were complementary talent that was sorely needed around Carmelo. If he had waited 4 months they could have kept all of that and perhaps even packaged some of it for another star.

So, yes: I blame Carmelo.


not the moron GM and jackass owner that made the deal?
Nobody put a gun to their heads.


Oh yes, I blame them the most. This and many similar moves buried the team for 20 years. But I don’t absolve Carmelo. He made a decision to Max his income, which is fine. But by forcing the trade he stripped the team from the ability to build a winner. Carmelo, both in negotiations and in play on the floor is a selfish player. Winning is secondary.
Since when is Tim Hardaway "a really good shooter"??  
Greg from LI : 2/23/2021 10:48 am : link
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1 player from the melo deal  
nygiants16 : 2/23/2021 10:52 am : link
would of still been a knick if Melo waited until the off season and that is gallo..

People need to stop with this narrative if Melo waited they could of just added him into cap space
RE: Since when is Tim Hardaway  
adamg : 2/23/2021 10:53 am : link
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Since he went to Dallas, he's been ok.
hardaway shot nearly 40% from 3...  
Italianju : 2/23/2021 11:01 am : link
last year and is over 40% this year. And does it on a high volume (over 7 attempts a game). I always liked THJR, his biggest crime is he got grossly overpaid, not his fault. He isnt a great nba player or anything, but he is a solid rotation guy who got overpaid to the point where everyone hated him, haha. Id sure as hell much rather him then Bullock (not factoring in the $$).
How did Hardaway become a plus shooter.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/23/2021 11:16 am : link
Never would have seen that coming. So inconsistent.
RE: Since when is Tim Hardaway  
Stu11 : 2/23/2021 11:23 am : link
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I realize you despise him Hreg but take the goggles off for a second. Over 40% from 3 the past 2 seasons is very good shooting. How many guys in the Knick rotation would you prefer taking the open 3 right now when Randle kicks it out to them late? Bullock? RJ? Payton. The only 3point shooters on the roster that even compare to him right now are Quickly or maybe Burks.
RE: How did Hardaway become a plus shooter.  
Jim in Fairfax : 2/23/2021 11:39 am : link
In comment 15159416 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Never would have seen that coming. So inconsistent.

Three biggest factors:
1) He significantly reduced the number of contested shots he’s taking.
2) He prioritizes getting to the spots he’s most effective from.
3) Luka Doncic. He draws the defense to him in the lane and then finds Hardaway for open shots.

#3 is almost certainly the biggest factor, as it leads to Hardaway doing the first 2. The Knicks never had that for him.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Not saying I blame him either!  
Enzo : 2/23/2021 1:22 pm : link
In comment 15159380 Jim in Fairfax said:
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Did the Knicks really give up a lot? I never understood that narrative...


They gave up a ton. Wilson Chandler, Danilo Gallinari, Raymond Felton, Timofy Mozgov (who was later flipped for a #1 pick). Plus two draft picks that turned into Dario Saric and Jamal Murray.

None of those guys are/were superstars, but they were complementary talent that was sorely needed around Carmelo. If he had waited 4 months they could have kept all of that and perhaps even packaged some of it for another star.

So, yes: I blame Carmelo.


not the moron GM and jackass owner that made the deal?
Nobody put a gun to their heads.



Oh yes, I blame them the most. This and many similar moves buried the team for 20 years. But I don’t absolve Carmelo. He made a decision to Max his income, which is fine. But by forcing the trade he stripped the team from the ability to build a winner. Carmelo, both in negotiations and in play on the floor is a selfish player. Winning is secondary.

Melo didn't decide what or how many players were going back in the deal. Walsh/Dolan could have negotiated a better deal - and the team could have done a better job building around Melo going forward.
I stand corrected  
Greg from LI : 2/23/2021 2:15 pm : link
I don't follow Dallas at all, so I didn't know he suddenly has become a significantly better shooter than he ever was for the Knicks. Don't know why anyone would have expected that to happen, though, since he was worthless his entire career prior to last season.
Melo  
TyreeHelmet : 2/23/2021 2:16 pm : link
The Knicks traded Wilson Chandler, Raymond Felton, Danilo Gallinari, Timofey Mozgov, a 2014 first-round pick and the swap rights in 2016.

- There really was no shot of him coming to the Knicks in free agency. If the Knicks didn't trade for him he was going to be traded to the Lakers or Nets and would sign a extension there. With the lockout coming he was not waiting to free agency.
- The Knicks fatal mistakes in the Melo era was not using the amnesty on Amare, the Bargnani trade and not being prepared to trade for CP3 ( who wanted to come to the Knicks).

Tell me how the package they sent out was an overpay? I just don't understand the narrative that the Melo trade broke up the 1970 Knicks. It would have been nice not to include the 1st round pick but you were trading for an all nba player in his prime.

I would recommend listening to Melo on Wojs podcast. Some really good insight.
I think  
DanMetroMan : 2/23/2021 2:18 pm : link
Lowry could have a MAJOR impact on the title picture
RE: I think  
TyreeHelmet : 2/23/2021 2:31 pm : link
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Lowry could have a MAJOR impact on the title picture


Trade to the Sixers?
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DanMetroMan : 2/23/2021 2:39 pm : link
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Lowry could have a MAJOR impact on the title picture



Trade to the Sixers?


The rumor is both the Sixers and LAC have "spoken" to Toroto but Toronto is hesitant to blow it up
Lowry makes $30 million  
Enzo : 2/23/2021 2:50 pm : link
Hard for a contender to acquire him without disrupting their core. He might be worth it though.
Serious question just throwing it out there:  
Stu11 : 2/23/2021 3:00 pm : link
This year and going forward putting any bias aside, who'd you rather have on your team Porzi or Randle?
Honestly for me talent wise if I feel I can compete for a title it would probably be Porzi. However if I'm the Knicks I'd say Randle. Porzi more semelessly fits in with a true alpha teammate like Luka. However his body will not age well at all. I think Randle has more top level type years in him and at this moment is a better all around player who you can count on to show up every night.
RE: Serious question just throwing it out there:  
Enzo : 2/23/2021 3:07 pm : link
In comment 15159705 Stu11 said:
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This year and going forward putting any bias aside, who'd you rather have on your team Porzi or Randle?
Honestly for me talent wise if I feel I can compete for a title it would probably be Porzi. However if I'm the Knicks I'd say Randle. Porzi more semelessly fits in with a true alpha teammate like Luka. However his body will not age well at all. I think Randle has more top level type years in him and at this moment is a better all around player who you can count on to show up every night.

KP's injuries make it an easy call for Randle. And this is from someone who hated (and still hates) the KP trade...and was looking to dump Randle for peanuts this past offseason. If Randle's 3 point shooting ability is a real thing going forward, this tips in his favor even more.
Speaking of KP  
BigBlueShock : 2/23/2021 3:36 pm : link
Cuban is not happy about reports on KP being shopped.


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Porzingis already moves like an old man  
Greg from LI : 2/23/2021 3:46 pm : link
The idea of KP is much better than the reality. He's only going to get slower and more injury-prone as he gets older.
Julius  
DanMetroMan : 2/23/2021 3:52 pm : link
Randle is a top 2 player on a title contender, and I thought KP could be but... he's moving like a robot so far this year. Absolute best case, further from injury, etc I still think KP likely has more absolute upside but far, far, far less sure of that than I used to be.
You take Randle over KP  
nygiants16 : 2/23/2021 3:57 pm : link
and you dont think twice, now you have to find Randle's running mate, is it Rj? can Quickley develop into that? i hope so but more than likely that player is not on the team yet
Randle is only 1 year older than KP  
nygiants16 : 2/23/2021 3:57 pm : link
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RE: Speaking of KP  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/23/2021 4:00 pm : link
In comment 15159751 BigBlueShock said:
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Cuban is not happy about reports on KP being shopped.
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What can Cuban say? They just recently gave him a ton of $.
RE: You take Randle over KP  
DanMetroMan : 2/23/2021 4:00 pm : link
In comment 15159776 nygiants16 said:
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and you dont think twice, now you have to find Randle's running mate, is it Rj? can Quickley develop into that? i hope so but more than likely that player is not on the team yet


Nothing against either player but a Randle/Barrett headlined team isn't competing for an NBA title without it being a 1 in 50 season where the Mavs had 4-5 BIG player who melded perfectly. I like both players but it's just not realistic.
RE: RE: You take Randle over KP  
nygiants16 : 2/23/2021 4:02 pm : link
In comment 15159782 DanMetroMan said:
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and you dont think twice, now you have to find Randle's running mate, is it Rj? can Quickley develop into that? i hope so but more than likely that player is not on the team yet



Nothing against either player but a Randle/Barrett headlined team isn't competing for an NBA title without it being a 1 in 50 season where the Mavs had 4-5 BIG player who melded perfectly. I like both players but it's just not realistic.


agree with you 100%, i dont think the running mate is on the team yet..
Don't  
DanMetroMan : 2/23/2021 4:06 pm : link
be Oladipo. Please.
RE: Don't  
nygiants16 : 2/23/2021 4:08 pm : link
In comment 15159788 DanMetroMan said:
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be Oladipo. Please.


Im expecting them to add a shooting guard, i dont know who bit i expect them to do it by the deadline..
RE: Porzingis already moves like an old man  
Heisenberg : 2/23/2021 4:09 pm : link
In comment 15159761 Greg from LI said:
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The idea of KP is much better than the reality. He's only going to get slower and more injury-prone as he gets older.


This is the crux of it. He was a Unicorn. Without that athleticism he's not the special talent he was. His defense, especially has suffered. In terms of guys who will likely age into their 30s, Randle is a lot better bet at this point.

Not to mention the personality difference. It's nearly impossible to imagine KP taking on the leadership and burden that Randle has. At least, I haven't seen that level of character from him yet. The response that Randle had coming off that bad 19-20 season is really impressive. Responding as he has to the challenges Thibs has laid out for him is really impressive. He just doesn't have the sense of entitlement you always got from KP.

That said, we'll take KP back for DET 2nd rounder.
unless HOU...  
Italianju : 2/23/2021 4:10 pm : link
gives him away i dont want him at this point. Id rather hold onto assets then go with him. Does he make us better, sure, but how much better? If Houston wants Knox or Frank and a second then sure, haha, but im guessing they want more.

If we arent in the Lavine/Beal range id just like a shooter like Redick, who wont cost much.
The league has changed so much  
bceagle05 : 2/23/2021 4:11 pm : link
even in the few years KP has been in the league. His potential as a "stretch five" is what made him a unicorn, but now everyone is shooting threes and a lot of teams don't even play with traditional centers, so it's just another guy jacking up 25 footers.
RE: RE: Porzingis already moves like an old man  
bceagle05 : 2/23/2021 4:13 pm : link
In comment 15159793 Heisenberg said:
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That said, we'll take KP back for DET 2nd rounder.

I think Timmy's a FA this summer, too. We're getting the band back together.
RE: unless HOU...  
nygiants16 : 2/23/2021 4:15 pm : link
In comment 15159795 Italianju said:
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gives him away i dont want him at this point. Id rather hold onto assets then go with him. Does he make us better, sure, but how much better? If Houston wants Knox or Frank and a second then sure, haha, but im guessing they want more.

If we arent in the Lavine/Beal range id just like a shooter like Redick, who wont cost much.


Oladipo is a free agent and doubtful he resigns with Houston, they are not gettinf much
The last  
Semipro Lineman : 2/23/2021 4:16 pm : link
Mavs game I saw, KP looked better than he did in the tweet showing him struggling against a small ball offense. Even being more mobile, he is still more of a defensive liability than Randle on everything but weakside shot blocking. In the West, I think every team above the Mavs in the standings has a mobile big man (C/PF) who are going to give him fits in a playoff series. The exception might be Portland if they don't get Nurkic back soon.


So this is both negative and positive  
nygiants16 : 2/23/2021 4:18 pm : link
But according to Randle on the JJ podcast, he aaid Wes came to him and basically asked him what type of coach does he need to reach his potential and basically described Thibs..

Now this is positive because it shows the aknocks wanted to get Randle right and playing to his best ball and were invested in him..

but if they were that invested in him why draft toppin?
Everyone  
DanMetroMan : 2/23/2021 4:24 pm : link
and their mother said "let's see Oladipo next season"... next season is here... 40% from the field (below his career mark) 29.9% from 3 (below his career mark), 14.6 PER (below his career mark), .036 WS/48 (below his career mark) and yet again injury prone. He will be 29 in May. He'd be a horrible player to throw a monster deal at in my opinion.
If it took  
nygiants16 : 2/23/2021 4:26 pm : link
frank, knox, and bullock and a 2nd to grt him i would do it, see hoe he meshes and hoe he plays down the stretch, if he plays well sign him, if he doesnt let him walk
RE: If it took  
DanMetroMan : 2/23/2021 4:35 pm : link
In comment 15159810 nygiants16 said:
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frank, knox, and bullock and a 2nd to grt him i would do it, see hoe he meshes and hoe he plays down the stretch, if he plays well sign him, if he doesnt let him walk


Sure, if Houston wants to give him away for players I don't care to see on the 2022 Knicks as a "try-out" then I guess it's fine but... this is a guy who hasn't played even 50 games since the 2017-2018 season
We need shooters!  
adamg : 2/23/2021 4:36 pm : link
Not Oladipo
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ajr2456 : 2/23/2021 4:39 pm : link
They didn’t get in on the three team deal involving Oladipo because they do want to sign him this summer and are considered the front runners by people in the league for him and or Dinwiddie. They won’t give up assets for Oladipo though, and I’d be shocked if he got more than a one year prove it deal around 15-20 mil with an option.

Keep an eye on Trey Murphy from UVA in this years draft. They’ve been scouting him heavily
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DanMetroMan : 2/23/2021 4:41 pm : link
In comment 15159824 ajr2456 said:
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They didn’t get in on the three team deal involving Oladipo because they do want to sign him this summer and are considered the front runners by people in the league for him and or Dinwiddie. They won’t give up assets for Oladipo though, and I’d be shocked if he got more than a one year prove it deal around 15-20 mil with an option.

Keep an eye on Trey Murphy from UVA in this years draft. They’ve been scouting him heavily


If that's all he gets, then it will be one of the biggest blunders in NBA history. He reportedly turned down 113 million before being traded.
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ajr2456 : 2/23/2021 4:43 pm : link
In comment 15159825 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 15159824 ajr2456 said:


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They didn’t get in on the three team deal involving Oladipo because they do want to sign him this summer and are considered the front runners by people in the league for him and or Dinwiddie. They won’t give up assets for Oladipo though, and I’d be shocked if he got more than a one year prove it deal around 15-20 mil with an option.

Keep an eye on Trey Murphy from UVA in this years draft. They’ve been scouting him heavily



If that's all he gets, then it will be one of the biggest blunders in NBA history. He reportedly turned down 113 million before being traded.


Things could change and it only takes one but the handful of teams I’ve asked about him say pretty much that same thing.
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Greg from LI : 2/23/2021 4:44 pm : link
In comment 15159824 ajr2456 said:
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They didn’t get in on the three team deal involving Oladipo because they do want to sign him this summer and are considered the front runners by people in the league for him and or Dinwiddie. They won’t give up assets for Oladipo though, and I’d be shocked if he got more than a one year prove it deal around 15-20 mil with an option.

Keep an eye on Trey Murphy from UVA in this years draft. They’ve been scouting him heavily


So far as I know, Trey Murphy isn't going to enter this year's draft. He's a late bloomer as a player and he's still really skinny.
Sam Hauser likely will, though, and he is a damned good shooter  
Greg from LI : 2/23/2021 4:45 pm : link
Caveat with him is that lack of athleticism might make him a shorter Steve Novack in the pros, but man can he shoot.
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ajr2456 : 2/23/2021 4:46 pm : link
In comment 15159829 Greg from LI said:
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In comment 15159824 ajr2456 said:


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They didn’t get in on the three team deal involving Oladipo because they do want to sign him this summer and are considered the front runners by people in the league for him and or Dinwiddie. They won’t give up assets for Oladipo though, and I’d be shocked if he got more than a one year prove it deal around 15-20 mil with an option.

Keep an eye on Trey Murphy from UVA in this years draft. They’ve been scouting him heavily



So far as I know, Trey Murphy isn't going to enter this year's draft. He's a late bloomer as a player and he's still really skinny.


He’s gone barring a disastrous close to the season. The league loves him and could end up as a late first rounder.
Interesting  
Greg from LI : 2/23/2021 4:54 pm : link
I hadn't heard that
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