I’m watching using the app and the only camera angle is a court side one that looks like an amateur fan doing the shots. Plus commercial audios play while the image of the game is on the screen.
I’m watching using the app and the only camera angle is a court side one that looks like an amateur fan doing the shots. Plus commercial audios play while the image of the game is on the screen.
I’m watching using the app and the only camera angle is a court side one that looks like an amateur fan doing the shots. Plus commercial audios play while the image of the game is on the screen.
Anyone know what the deal is?
I’m watching NBA GamePass and the feed is very blurry.
Frustrating that an NBA game has these issues.
Ralph, how’s things going? You mentioned once that you were thinking about trying out for The Voice, any luck with that?
Obi playing some decent D but he’s shown very little on O. He plays hot potato when gets the ball or chucks a random 3. If he can’t get a dunk on O he’s practically useless.
Hate to say it but we need a center that can force opposing Center to play defense.
But a win is a win.
RJ played a good game and plays well in ugly games.
Bench was a mess tonight outside of Burks.
Rose, Quickley and Toppin 3 for 16 combined.
Watching Nets-Clippers what a horrific call at the end
It amazes how bad Noel's hands are. Mitchell Robinson has the same thing. I remember hearing a C (maybe Shaq) explaining that he missed so many free throws because it's like throwing a marble into a basket. But I digress. Whenever a pass goes to Robinson and Noel, they almost always bobble it.
This article expands on that and speculates about destinations for Beal (Warriors, Pelicans) if he were to be traded, perhaps in the off-season.
As for CJ McCollum, certainly an excellent player when he's on the court. But two years older than Beal and currently out with his third career foot fracture. msn sports - ( New Window )
He's really good defender but his hands are 2021 Evan Engram esque. Combine that with his slight frame and that makes him a terrible rebounder for his position. And he has absolutely zero feel for what he's doing on the offensive end. I'm half convinced that one of the bad RJ floaters was supposed to be a lob to him. Noel has value and can help a team but he really is a limited player. Mitch is already a lot better, IMO.
Taj was a bit of a better matchup for Towns and definitely a better fit down the stretch.
RJ was good most of the night although I'd say that there was one drive where he got swatted by KAT that had me thinking that we really need to focus on going through Randle in a close game like that. Finally they did after that swat and it paid off with Randle getting to the line.
Randle is a stud. I was so sick of him last year but the dude is playing well and brings it every night.
I'm not sure he'll every be worth what he's gonna get paid but you can see how having another scorer like Lavine would change a tight game like that. RJ is a good scorer but he's not a shot creator. Having a guy that can stretch the floor and create his own shot would make it so much harder for the opponent. Instead, because Randle is the only one who can get his own shot, it leaves the Knicks playing a little uphill most nights. Luckily, The Wolves only had one guy too and it didn't cost them. But that wont hold in the playoffs.
I'm on board with adding Oladipo on the cheap for this reason. Definitely on board with Lavine at the right price too. Would love Beal but don't want a Carmelo situation where they empty the cupboard and Beal is riding solo with a bunch of castoffs.
also, saw this quote from Kobe about the young Randle. "He's Lamar Odom in Zach Randolph's body". That's been the tease and we're finally seeing it night after night. I love the guy. Can't believe I'm saying it.
How bout Carlisle? Kerr? Pop? Let’s hear from the Fiz Fan Club.
Remember that tweet woj had about how fiz was left with a rudderless roster and took the hit? well he deleted it because it was being retweeted after knicks beat the hawks
taj cant be relied on to play big minute every game. Noel is a better player when he is playing 20 minutes a game then 30. Its one of the reasons we are what his 4th team in 7 years or whatever. I like Noel a lot as a backup. And i like Taj as a 3rd string center. We need to hope that Mitch is on that early side of the timetable and def cant have any setbacks.
And man that wolves roster sucks. Obviously too early to tell what Edwards will be, but the rest, yeesh. Rubio is what he is a solid PG, Beasley is solid, but after that im not sure anyone on the roster could even crack the knick rotation. I get they are missing Russel, but still.
RE: RE: Curious to see if Woj takes any shots at Minny for this move.
How bout Carlisle? Kerr? Pop? Let’s hear from the Fiz Fan Club.
Remember that tweet woj had about how fiz was left with a rudderless roster and took the hit? well he deleted it because it was being retweeted after knicks beat the hawks
I mean we here on these threads are not shy about criticizing the Knicks, but the heat those guys gave the Knicks for firing a guy with a .200 winning % bordered on comical.
RE: RE: Curious to see if Woj takes any shots at Minny for this move.
How bout Carlisle? Kerr? Pop? Let’s hear from the Fiz Fan Club.
Remember that tweet woj had about how fiz was left with a rudderless roster and took the hit? well he deleted it because it was being retweeted after knicks beat the hawks
Most of the time Woj just states the news...but when he injects his opinion you realize he really is the worst. Just a petty little bitch.
taj cant be relied on to play big minute every game. Noel is a better player when he is playing 20 minutes a game then 30. Its one of the reasons we are what his 4th team in 7 years or whatever. I like Noel a lot as a backup. And i like Taj as a 3rd string center. We need to hope that Mitch is on that early side of the timetable and def cant have any setbacks.
it really wouldn't kill them to go with Randle at center for short stretches. Who knows, maybe Thibs will stumble onto an offense combination that can actually score a little bit.
taj cant be relied on to play big minute every game. Noel is a better player when he is playing 20 minutes a game then 30. Its one of the reasons we are what his 4th team in 7 years or whatever. I like Noel a lot as a backup. And i like Taj as a 3rd string center. We need to hope that Mitch is on that early side of the timetable and def cant have any setbacks.
it really wouldn't kill them to go with Randle at center for short stretches. Who knows, maybe Thibs will stumble onto an offense combination that can actually score a little bit.
The game tomorrow would be the game to go small, Warriors have no bigs
There is no need to panic and trade for Drummond. Mitch will be back soon enough and he really anchors the defense and his hands are like Jerry Rice when compared to Nerlens Noel.
not sure I understand why they just let C Justin Patton go for nothing to the Rockets - OK, he signed a two-way so that's a professional courtesy but I don't think you're required to let a guy go if he's offered a two-way.
C Shittu is playing well offensively down there but I can't assess his D based on limited viewing time. There's also C Labissiere. But they don't seem interested in bringing up a third C while Mitch is out. Personally I think it would be a good idea - last night shows why - but what do I know.
not sure I understand why they just let C Justin Patton go for nothing to the Rockets - OK, he signed a two-way so that's a professional courtesy but I don't think you're required to let a guy go if he's offered a two-way.
C Shittu is playing well offensively down there but I can't assess his D based on limited viewing time. There's also C Labissiere. But they don't seem interested in bringing up a third C while Mitch is out. Personally I think it would be a good idea - last night shows why - but what do I know.
Knixks have no rights to the players on their g league team except for harper and iggy..
to a writer I know this weekend. Nothing cooking but the Knicks have let teams know that nobody is untouchable. They are looking to add to what they have but won't be shy moving 1 or more of the core if it "makes sense". They won't blow it up in the way they did for Melo. The expectation is they look to add ala Rose more than trade anybody off.
RE: RE: Could Skal Labissiere help while Mitch is recovering
Looking damned good in the G League so far - averaging 16.8 ppg, 9.3 rpg, and 2 blocks. Not a prolific outside shooter but he can knock down an open 3 (3-7 in 7 games). Good one on one defender, but a GREAT help defender.
shows the difference between this team and the Knicks of the last 7 years. They probably lose that game last night by 12. Instead, they held them off with good defense when they couldn't buy a bucket and still won by 4. The Wolves aren't good but there's been a few games this year where it was clear the Knicks of old would have lost easily. I know I'm searching for a positive but nights like that add up throughout a whole season.
shows the difference between this team and the Knicks of the last 7 years. They probably lose that game last night by 12. Instead, they held them off with good defense when they couldn't buy a bucket and still won by 4. The Wolves aren't good but there's been a few games this year where it was clear the Knicks of old would have lost easily. I know I'm searching for a positive but nights like that add up throughout a whole season.
Last night was the opposite if what has usually been the case for the Knicks..
Usually its the Knicks making a 20 point comeback against a better team and coming up short
RE: You can tell why Thibs and Towns didnt get along
What bothers me about Towns is Butler and Thibs couldn't get the fuck out of Minny fast enough. I trust Butler and Thibs more than Towns, as talented and productive as he might be. I would be bothered by this chain of events if I was a Twolves fan.
Ugly win last night, but i'll take that over an even uglier loss.
Said if he would of taken a shorter deal and was a free agent, he and bron probably would of ended up in New york together with Bosh and wade somewhere togrther..
Also said the deal to Knicks was basically hashed out during a meeting 2 days before all star game with dolan, melo and masai...There were no talks between new york and denver before that meeting, masai didnt think new york had enough..
Deal was done with Jersey but Melo wanted new york so leon rose called the meeting, the hold up was mozgov and melo basically said you are not going to do the deal becajse of 1 player and the Knicks caved..
So when we saw Melo and Amare laughing at the all star game the deal was already done
That was always whispered but nice to see it proven.
well it was slightly more complicated than that. The lockout was looming and nobody knew what "max money" was going to look like - so he wanted to secure his next deal ASAP. I don't blame him one bit.
That was always whispered but nice to see it proven.
well it was slightly more complicated than that. The lockout was looming and nobody knew what "max money" was going to look like - so he wanted to secure his next deal ASAP. I don't blame him one bit.
yup this 100%, there were also talk about on rollbacks
have looked like if certain pre-2010 players were held onto. Several good to very good players (Z-Bo, Ariza, Lee, Crawford) were basically just given away. Adding Melo to some or all of them would have been interesting.
But, it does explain why the Knicks traded so much to get a deal done.
He wasn't going to sit and wait and then sign as a free agent.
Did the Knicks really give up a lot? I never understood that narrative...
They gave up enough that it made it difficult to build anything around him. Look up how many different teammates and starting lineups he played with in NY. Not a coincidence that his biggest success was in a year where they gathered a group of crusty vets around him. And once they were gone they barely did anything.
They gave up enough that it made it difficult to build anything around him. Look up how many different teammates and starting lineups he played with in NY. Not a coincidence that his biggest success was in a year where they gathered a group of crusty vets around him. And once they were gone they barely did anything. [/quote]
I think that is true that they did a terrible job of surrounding him with talent. But I don't think the trade was the cause of that. I just think they made some really poor personnel decisions.
But I really don't think the package they sent was an overpay for the type of talent Melo was at 26 years old...
No guarantee what would have happened without the deal
I haven’t seen a ton of him but in the games I’ve seen, White plays like a player that thinks he’s a million times better than he actually is. He doesn’t lack in confidence, that’s for sure
Did the Knicks really give up a lot? I never understood that narrative...
They gave up a ton. Wilson Chandler, Danilo Gallinari, Raymond Felton, Timofy Mozgov (who was later flipped for a #1 pick). Plus two draft picks that turned into Dario Saric and Jamal Murray.
None of those guys are/were superstars, but they were complementary talent that was sorely needed around Carmelo. If he had waited 4 months they could have kept all of that and perhaps even packaged some of it for another star.
Did the Knicks really give up a lot? I never understood that narrative...
They gave up a ton. Wilson Chandler, Danilo Gallinari, Raymond Felton, Timofy Mozgov (who was later flipped for a #1 pick). Plus two draft picks that turned into Dario Saric and Jamal Murray.
None of those guys are/were superstars, but they were complementary talent that was sorely needed around Carmelo. If he had waited 4 months they could have kept all of that and perhaps even packaged some of it for another star.
So, yes: I blame Carmelo.
Again for the millionth time they couldnt just sign Melo, Knicks did not have the cap space..
Knicks had to trade for Melo to get him there was no waiting to get him..
They did not give up a lot, Chandler is a journeyman eho has been hurt a ton, Gallinari hurt a ton, mozgov is playing in Russia and was terrible..Felton ended up back on the knicks 2 years later..
where the Knicks screwed up was signing tyson chandler and amnestying Billups, Chris Paul wanted New York with Melo, if Knicms were patient they could of teamed them up..
It wasnt the Melo deal that screwed the Knicks, it was Knicks management
his value has to be lower then when we moved him. He is paid a ton, hasnt done anything to show teams he can stay healthy and honestly hasnt really progressed his game. Some team would still take a shot of course and i wouldnt be shocked if they did just as well as we did (salary relief if they wanted it, a bust former lottery pick and a couple firsts) but they def wouldnt do much better then we did.
Did the Knicks really give up a lot? I never understood that narrative...
They gave up a ton. Wilson Chandler, Danilo Gallinari, Raymond Felton, Timofy Mozgov (who was later flipped for a #1 pick). Plus two draft picks that turned into Dario Saric and Jamal Murray.
None of those guys are/were superstars, but they were complementary talent that was sorely needed around Carmelo. If he had waited 4 months they could have kept all of that and perhaps even packaged some of it for another star.
So, yes: I blame Carmelo.
not the moron GM and jackass owner that made the deal?
Nobody put a gun to their heads.
RE: No guarantee what would have happened without the deal
The guy couldn't show up for the front end of a back to back last night when the team literally hadn't played in over a week! Honestly I know he's not popular at all around here but a guy we really miss from that trade is Hardaway. Dallas basically is on national tv almost every game so I've watched them a ton lately and he's playing really well. He would be a perfect fit playing with Randle. He's a good spot up shooter who's not scared of taking the big shot late in the game.
his value has to be lower then when we moved him. He is paid a ton, hasnt done anything to show teams he can stay healthy and honestly hasnt really progressed his game. Some team would still take a shot of course and i wouldnt be shocked if they did just as well as we did (salary relief if they wanted it, a bust former lottery pick and a couple firsts) but they def wouldnt do much better then we did.
I don't think I would trade back those 2 first rounders for KP. It's not even the picks or the assets it's more KP's value and that max deal. I am all but convinced this current regime will find someone to take a max deal and sooner rather than later. KP can go fuck himself into obscurity. Glad I am being proven wrong on this trade.
Did the Knicks really give up a lot? I never understood that narrative...
They gave up a ton. Wilson Chandler, Danilo Gallinari, Raymond Felton, Timofy Mozgov (who was later flipped for a #1 pick). Plus two draft picks that turned into Dario Saric and Jamal Murray.
None of those guys are/were superstars, but they were complementary talent that was sorely needed around Carmelo. If he had waited 4 months they could have kept all of that and perhaps even packaged some of it for another star.
So, yes: I blame Carmelo.
not the moron GM and jackass owner that made the deal?
Nobody put a gun to their heads.
Oh yes, I blame them the most. This and many similar moves buried the team for 20 years. But I don’t absolve Carmelo. He made a decision to Max his income, which is fine. But by forcing the trade he stripped the team from the ability to build a winner. Carmelo, both in negotiations and in play on the floor is a selfish player. Winning is secondary.
Since when is Tim Hardaway "a really good shooter"??
last year and is over 40% this year. And does it on a high volume (over 7 attempts a game). I always liked THJR, his biggest crime is he got grossly overpaid, not his fault. He isnt a great nba player or anything, but he is a solid rotation guy who got overpaid to the point where everyone hated him, haha. Id sure as hell much rather him then Bullock (not factoring in the $$).
I realize you despise him Hreg but take the goggles off for a second. Over 40% from 3 the past 2 seasons is very good shooting. How many guys in the Knick rotation would you prefer taking the open 3 right now when Randle kicks it out to them late? Bullock? RJ? Payton. The only 3point shooters on the roster that even compare to him right now are Quickly or maybe Burks.
Never would have seen that coming. So inconsistent.
Three biggest factors:
1) He significantly reduced the number of contested shots he’s taking.
2) He prioritizes getting to the spots he’s most effective from.
3) Luka Doncic. He draws the defense to him in the lane and then finds Hardaway for open shots.
#3 is almost certainly the biggest factor, as it leads to Hardaway doing the first 2. The Knicks never had that for him.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Not saying I blame him either!
Did the Knicks really give up a lot? I never understood that narrative...
They gave up a ton. Wilson Chandler, Danilo Gallinari, Raymond Felton, Timofy Mozgov (who was later flipped for a #1 pick). Plus two draft picks that turned into Dario Saric and Jamal Murray.
None of those guys are/were superstars, but they were complementary talent that was sorely needed around Carmelo. If he had waited 4 months they could have kept all of that and perhaps even packaged some of it for another star.
So, yes: I blame Carmelo.
not the moron GM and jackass owner that made the deal?
Nobody put a gun to their heads.
Oh yes, I blame them the most. This and many similar moves buried the team for 20 years. But I don’t absolve Carmelo. He made a decision to Max his income, which is fine. But by forcing the trade he stripped the team from the ability to build a winner. Carmelo, both in negotiations and in play on the floor is a selfish player. Winning is secondary.
Melo didn't decide what or how many players were going back in the deal. Walsh/Dolan could have negotiated a better deal - and the team could have done a better job building around Melo going forward.
I don't follow Dallas at all, so I didn't know he suddenly has become a significantly better shooter than he ever was for the Knicks. Don't know why anyone would have expected that to happen, though, since he was worthless his entire career prior to last season.
The Knicks traded Wilson Chandler, Raymond Felton, Danilo Gallinari, Timofey Mozgov, a 2014 first-round pick and the swap rights in 2016.
- There really was no shot of him coming to the Knicks in free agency. If the Knicks didn't trade for him he was going to be traded to the Lakers or Nets and would sign a extension there. With the lockout coming he was not waiting to free agency.
- The Knicks fatal mistakes in the Melo era was not using the amnesty on Amare, the Bargnani trade and not being prepared to trade for CP3 ( who wanted to come to the Knicks).
Tell me how the package they sent out was an overpay? I just don't understand the narrative that the Melo trade broke up the 1970 Knicks. It would have been nice not to include the 1st round pick but you were trading for an all nba player in his prime.
I would recommend listening to Melo on Wojs podcast. Some really good insight.
This year and going forward putting any bias aside, who'd you rather have on your team Porzi or Randle?
Honestly for me talent wise if I feel I can compete for a title it would probably be Porzi. However if I'm the Knicks I'd say Randle. Porzi more semelessly fits in with a true alpha teammate like Luka. However his body will not age well at all. I think Randle has more top level type years in him and at this moment is a better all around player who you can count on to show up every night.
This year and going forward putting any bias aside, who'd you rather have on your team Porzi or Randle?
Honestly for me talent wise if I feel I can compete for a title it would probably be Porzi. However if I'm the Knicks I'd say Randle. Porzi more semelessly fits in with a true alpha teammate like Luka. However his body will not age well at all. I think Randle has more top level type years in him and at this moment is a better all around player who you can count on to show up every night.
KP's injuries make it an easy call for Randle. And this is from someone who hated (and still hates) the KP trade...and was looking to dump Randle for peanuts this past offseason. If Randle's 3 point shooting ability is a real thing going forward, this tips in his favor even more.
Randle is a top 2 player on a title contender, and I thought KP could be but... he's moving like a robot so far this year. Absolute best case, further from injury, etc I still think KP likely has more absolute upside but far, far, far less sure of that than I used to be.
and you dont think twice, now you have to find Randle's running mate, is it Rj? can Quickley develop into that? i hope so but more than likely that player is not on the team yet
and you dont think twice, now you have to find Randle's running mate, is it Rj? can Quickley develop into that? i hope so but more than likely that player is not on the team yet
Nothing against either player but a Randle/Barrett headlined team isn't competing for an NBA title without it being a 1 in 50 season where the Mavs had 4-5 BIG player who melded perfectly. I like both players but it's just not realistic.
and you dont think twice, now you have to find Randle's running mate, is it Rj? can Quickley develop into that? i hope so but more than likely that player is not on the team yet
Nothing against either player but a Randle/Barrett headlined team isn't competing for an NBA title without it being a 1 in 50 season where the Mavs had 4-5 BIG player who melded perfectly. I like both players but it's just not realistic.
agree with you 100%, i dont think the running mate is on the team yet..
The idea of KP is much better than the reality. He's only going to get slower and more injury-prone as he gets older.
This is the crux of it. He was a Unicorn. Without that athleticism he's not the special talent he was. His defense, especially has suffered. In terms of guys who will likely age into their 30s, Randle is a lot better bet at this point.
Not to mention the personality difference. It's nearly impossible to imagine KP taking on the leadership and burden that Randle has. At least, I haven't seen that level of character from him yet. The response that Randle had coming off that bad 19-20 season is really impressive. Responding as he has to the challenges Thibs has laid out for him is really impressive. He just doesn't have the sense of entitlement you always got from KP.
That said, we'll take KP back for DET 2nd rounder.
gives him away i dont want him at this point. Id rather hold onto assets then go with him. Does he make us better, sure, but how much better? If Houston wants Knox or Frank and a second then sure, haha, but im guessing they want more.
If we arent in the Lavine/Beal range id just like a shooter like Redick, who wont cost much.
even in the few years KP has been in the league. His potential as a "stretch five" is what made him a unicorn, but now everyone is shooting threes and a lot of teams don't even play with traditional centers, so it's just another guy jacking up 25 footers.
gives him away i dont want him at this point. Id rather hold onto assets then go with him. Does he make us better, sure, but how much better? If Houston wants Knox or Frank and a second then sure, haha, but im guessing they want more.
If we arent in the Lavine/Beal range id just like a shooter like Redick, who wont cost much.
Oladipo is a free agent and doubtful he resigns with Houston, they are not gettinf much
Mavs game I saw, KP looked better than he did in the tweet showing him struggling against a small ball offense. Even being more mobile, he is still more of a defensive liability than Randle on everything but weakside shot blocking. In the West, I think every team above the Mavs in the standings has a mobile big man (C/PF) who are going to give him fits in a playoff series. The exception might be Portland if they don't get Nurkic back soon.
But according to Randle on the JJ podcast, he aaid Wes came to him and basically asked him what type of coach does he need to reach his potential and basically described Thibs..
Now this is positive because it shows the aknocks wanted to get Randle right and playing to his best ball and were invested in him..
but if they were that invested in him why draft toppin?
and their mother said "let's see Oladipo next season"... next season is here... 40% from the field (below his career mark) 29.9% from 3 (below his career mark), 14.6 PER (below his career mark), .036 WS/48 (below his career mark) and yet again injury prone. He will be 29 in May. He'd be a horrible player to throw a monster deal at in my opinion.
frank, knox, and bullock and a 2nd to grt him i would do it, see hoe he meshes and hoe he plays down the stretch, if he plays well sign him, if he doesnt let him walk
frank, knox, and bullock and a 2nd to grt him i would do it, see hoe he meshes and hoe he plays down the stretch, if he plays well sign him, if he doesnt let him walk
Sure, if Houston wants to give him away for players I don't care to see on the 2022 Knicks as a "try-out" then I guess it's fine but... this is a guy who hasn't played even 50 games since the 2017-2018 season
They didn’t get in on the three team deal involving Oladipo because they do want to sign him this summer and are considered the front runners by people in the league for him and or Dinwiddie. They won’t give up assets for Oladipo though, and I’d be shocked if he got more than a one year prove it deal around 15-20 mil with an option.
Keep an eye on Trey Murphy from UVA in this years draft. They’ve been scouting him heavily
They didn’t get in on the three team deal involving Oladipo because they do want to sign him this summer and are considered the front runners by people in the league for him and or Dinwiddie. They won’t give up assets for Oladipo though, and I’d be shocked if he got more than a one year prove it deal around 15-20 mil with an option.
Keep an eye on Trey Murphy from UVA in this years draft. They’ve been scouting him heavily
If that's all he gets, then it will be one of the biggest blunders in NBA history. He reportedly turned down 113 million before being traded.
They didn’t get in on the three team deal involving Oladipo because they do want to sign him this summer and are considered the front runners by people in the league for him and or Dinwiddie. They won’t give up assets for Oladipo though, and I’d be shocked if he got more than a one year prove it deal around 15-20 mil with an option.
Keep an eye on Trey Murphy from UVA in this years draft. They’ve been scouting him heavily
If that's all he gets, then it will be one of the biggest blunders in NBA history. He reportedly turned down 113 million before being traded.
Things could change and it only takes one but the handful of teams I’ve asked about him say pretty much that same thing.
They didn’t get in on the three team deal involving Oladipo because they do want to sign him this summer and are considered the front runners by people in the league for him and or Dinwiddie. They won’t give up assets for Oladipo though, and I’d be shocked if he got more than a one year prove it deal around 15-20 mil with an option.
Keep an eye on Trey Murphy from UVA in this years draft. They’ve been scouting him heavily
So far as I know, Trey Murphy isn't going to enter this year's draft. He's a late bloomer as a player and he's still really skinny.
Sam Hauser likely will, though, and he is a damned good shooter
They didn’t get in on the three team deal involving Oladipo because they do want to sign him this summer and are considered the front runners by people in the league for him and or Dinwiddie. They won’t give up assets for Oladipo though, and I’d be shocked if he got more than a one year prove it deal around 15-20 mil with an option.
Keep an eye on Trey Murphy from UVA in this years draft. They’ve been scouting him heavily
So far as I know, Trey Murphy isn't going to enter this year's draft. He's a late bloomer as a player and he's still really skinny.
He’s gone barring a disastrous close to the season. The league loves him and could end up as a late first rounder.
I’d say he’s doing things Quickley.
Gibson gets pushed out of pounds going for a rebound no call, obi is mugged no call..
You would think the twolves had the reputation for being a good defesive team
Rj got clotheslined lol
Anyone know what the deal is?
He would still look great in a knick uniform
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He would still look great in a knick uniform
hell no, so you going to apologize?
Anyone know what the deal is?
You using Mobile view or regular view?
Thibs may not give the second unit much leash here. The first unit was doing pretty well and you don't want to let Minny back in.
Anyone know what the deal is?
I’m watching NBA GamePass and the feed is very blurry.
Frustrating that an NBA game has these issues.
Ralph, how’s things going? You mentioned once that you were thinking about trying out for The Voice, any luck with that?
they killed all momentum
why because he has made shots?
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still waiting for my apology
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15/9 /2 blocks in a quarter. That's not soft. If it is get me some of those softies on the knicks.
Yup, not bad for our 3rd center.
Need to finish this boys let’s go
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27-15-4 and 3 blocks isn’t soft
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why because he has made shots?
15/9 /2 blocks in a quarter. That's not soft. If it is get me some of those softies on the knicks.
no one said he wasnt a good player and good scorer, his game is soft, plain and simple
Agreed. The bench was awful the last 2. Thank god we survived this.
But a win is a win.
RJ played a good game and plays well in ugly games.
Bench was a mess tonight outside of Burks.
Rose, Quickley and Toppin 3 for 16 combined.
Hiring Raptors assistant to a multi year deal,this must of been in the works
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A few more top three picks and maybe they’ll be mediocre.
Hiring Raptors assistant to a multi year deal,this must of been in the works
I didn't know you were allowed to hire an assistant from another team midseason
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A few more top three picks and maybe they’ll be mediocre.
Hiring Raptors assistant to a multi year deal,this must of been in the works
I didn't know you were allowed to hire an assistant from another team midseason
they got permission from Toronto, doesnt happen very often
This article expands on that and speculates about destinations for Beal (Warriors, Pelicans) if he were to be traded, perhaps in the off-season.
As for CJ McCollum, certainly an excellent player when he's on the court. But two years older than Beal and currently out with his third career foot fracture.
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Taj was a bit of a better matchup for Towns and definitely a better fit down the stretch.
RJ was good most of the night although I'd say that there was one drive where he got swatted by KAT that had me thinking that we really need to focus on going through Randle in a close game like that. Finally they did after that swat and it paid off with Randle getting to the line.
Randle is a stud. I was so sick of him last year but the dude is playing well and brings it every night.
I'm not sure he'll every be worth what he's gonna get paid but you can see how having another scorer like Lavine would change a tight game like that. RJ is a good scorer but he's not a shot creator. Having a guy that can stretch the floor and create his own shot would make it so much harder for the opponent. Instead, because Randle is the only one who can get his own shot, it leaves the Knicks playing a little uphill most nights. Luckily, The Wolves only had one guy too and it didn't cost them. But that wont hold in the playoffs.
I'm on board with adding Oladipo on the cheap for this reason. Definitely on board with Lavine at the right price too. Would love Beal but don't want a Carmelo situation where they empty the cupboard and Beal is riding solo with a bunch of castoffs.
also, saw this quote from Kobe about the young Randle. "He's Lamar Odom in Zach Randolph's body". That's been the tease and we're finally seeing it night after night. I love the guy. Can't believe I'm saying it.
This x1000. Knicks caught a lot of heat from those guys.
Remember that tweet woj had about how fiz was left with a rudderless roster and took the hit? well he deleted it because it was being retweeted after knicks beat the hawks
And man that wolves roster sucks. Obviously too early to tell what Edwards will be, but the rest, yeesh. Rubio is what he is a solid PG, Beasley is solid, but after that im not sure anyone on the roster could even crack the knick rotation. I get they are missing Russel, but still.
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How bout Carlisle? Kerr? Pop? Let’s hear from the Fiz Fan Club.
Remember that tweet woj had about how fiz was left with a rudderless roster and took the hit? well he deleted it because it was being retweeted after knicks beat the hawks
I mean we here on these threads are not shy about criticizing the Knicks, but the heat those guys gave the Knicks for firing a guy with a .200 winning % bordered on comical.
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How bout Carlisle? Kerr? Pop? Let’s hear from the Fiz Fan Club.
Remember that tweet woj had about how fiz was left with a rudderless roster and took the hit? well he deleted it because it was being retweeted after knicks beat the hawks
Most of the time Woj just states the news...but when he injects his opinion you realize he really is the worst. Just a petty little bitch.
it really wouldn't kill them to go with Randle at center for short stretches. Who knows, maybe Thibs will stumble onto an offense combination that can actually score a little bit.
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taj cant be relied on to play big minute every game. Noel is a better player when he is playing 20 minutes a game then 30. Its one of the reasons we are what his 4th team in 7 years or whatever. I like Noel a lot as a backup. And i like Taj as a 3rd string center. We need to hope that Mitch is on that early side of the timetable and def cant have any setbacks.
it really wouldn't kill them to go with Randle at center for short stretches. Who knows, maybe Thibs will stumble onto an offense combination that can actually score a little bit.
The game tomorrow would be the game to go small, Warriors have no bigs
C Shittu is playing well offensively down there but I can't assess his D based on limited viewing time. There's also C Labissiere. But they don't seem interested in bringing up a third C while Mitch is out. Personally I think it would be a good idea - last night shows why - but what do I know.
C Shittu is playing well offensively down there but I can't assess his D based on limited viewing time. There's also C Labissiere. But they don't seem interested in bringing up a third C while Mitch is out. Personally I think it would be a good idea - last night shows why - but what do I know.
Knixks have no rights to the players on their g league team except for harper and iggy..
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Harper or Pinson. What are the odds they ever see playing time with the big team?
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Harper or Pinson. What are the odds they ever see playing time with the big team?
I think Pinson is a good locker room guy, id rather keep him..
for me it wouls be iggy
Last night was the opposite if what has usually been the case for the Knicks..
Usually its the Knicks making a 20 point comeback against a better team and coming up short
What bothers me about Towns is Butler and Thibs couldn't get the fuck out of Minny fast enough. I trust Butler and Thibs more than Towns, as talented and productive as he might be. I would be bothered by this chain of events if I was a Twolves fan.
Ugly win last night, but i'll take that over an even uglier loss.
Hopefully they drop three of four - Brooklyn better play two of their big three.
Also said the deal to Knicks was basically hashed out during a meeting 2 days before all star game with dolan, melo and masai...There were no talks between new york and denver before that meeting, masai didnt think new york had enough..
Deal was done with Jersey but Melo wanted new york so leon rose called the meeting, the hold up was mozgov and melo basically said you are not going to do the deal becajse of 1 player and the Knicks caved..
So when we saw Melo and Amare laughing at the all star game the deal was already done
well it was slightly more complicated than that. The lockout was looming and nobody knew what "max money" was going to look like - so he wanted to secure his next deal ASAP. I don't blame him one bit.
He wasn't going to sit and wait and then sign as a free agent.
Hopefully they drop three of four - Brooklyn better play two of their big three.
Celts are in a free fall.
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That was always whispered but nice to see it proven.
well it was slightly more complicated than that. The lockout was looming and nobody knew what "max money" was going to look like - so he wanted to secure his next deal ASAP. I don't blame him one bit.
yup this 100%, there were also talk about on rollbacks
Would have been fun, to state the obvious.
Would have been fun, to state the obvious.
I always thought this
He wasn't going to sit and wait and then sign as a free agent.
Did the Knicks really give up a lot? I never understood that narrative...
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But, it does explain why the Knicks traded so much to get a deal done.
He wasn't going to sit and wait and then sign as a free agent.
Did the Knicks really give up a lot? I never understood that narrative...
They gave up enough that it made it difficult to build anything around him. Look up how many different teammates and starting lineups he played with in NY. Not a coincidence that his biggest success was in a year where they gathered a group of crusty vets around him. And once they were gone they barely did anything.
I think that is true that they did a terrible job of surrounding him with talent. But I don't think the trade was the cause of that. I just think they made some really poor personnel decisions.
But I really don't think the package they sent was an overpay for the type of talent Melo was at 26 years old...
He started disappearing before the deal, the team was in freefall before the deal
White having himself a game thus far.
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White having himself a game thus far.
I haven’t seen a ton of him but in the games I’ve seen, White plays like a player that thinks he’s a million times better than he actually is. He doesn’t lack in confidence, that’s for sure
Did the Knicks really give up a lot? I never understood that narrative...
They gave up a ton. Wilson Chandler, Danilo Gallinari, Raymond Felton, Timofy Mozgov (who was later flipped for a #1 pick). Plus two draft picks that turned into Dario Saric and Jamal Murray.
None of those guys are/were superstars, but they were complementary talent that was sorely needed around Carmelo. If he had waited 4 months they could have kept all of that and perhaps even packaged some of it for another star.
So, yes: I blame Carmelo.
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Did the Knicks really give up a lot? I never understood that narrative...
They gave up a ton. Wilson Chandler, Danilo Gallinari, Raymond Felton, Timofy Mozgov (who was later flipped for a #1 pick). Plus two draft picks that turned into Dario Saric and Jamal Murray.
None of those guys are/were superstars, but they were complementary talent that was sorely needed around Carmelo. If he had waited 4 months they could have kept all of that and perhaps even packaged some of it for another star.
So, yes: I blame Carmelo.
Again for the millionth time they couldnt just sign Melo, Knicks did not have the cap space..
Knicks had to trade for Melo to get him there was no waiting to get him..
They did not give up a lot, Chandler is a journeyman eho has been hurt a ton, Gallinari hurt a ton, mozgov is playing in Russia and was terrible..Felton ended up back on the knicks 2 years later..
where the Knicks screwed up was signing tyson chandler and amnestying Billups, Chris Paul wanted New York with Melo, if Knicms were patient they could of teamed them up..
It wasnt the Melo deal that screwed the Knicks, it was Knicks management
What could they get for him?
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Did the Knicks really give up a lot? I never understood that narrative...
They gave up a ton. Wilson Chandler, Danilo Gallinari, Raymond Felton, Timofy Mozgov (who was later flipped for a #1 pick). Plus two draft picks that turned into Dario Saric and Jamal Murray.
None of those guys are/were superstars, but they were complementary talent that was sorely needed around Carmelo. If he had waited 4 months they could have kept all of that and perhaps even packaged some of it for another star.
So, yes: I blame Carmelo.
not the moron GM and jackass owner that made the deal?
Nobody put a gun to their heads.
this is just lazy nonsense, lol.
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The guy couldn't show up for the front end of a back to back last night when the team literally hadn't played in over a week! Honestly I know he's not popular at all around here but a guy we really miss from that trade is Hardaway. Dallas basically is on national tv almost every game so I've watched them a ton lately and he's playing really well. He would be a perfect fit playing with Randle. He's a good spot up shooter who's not scared of taking the big shot late in the game.
I think we've seen peak Zinger & it's all downhill from here.
Good player, yes, but his shooting is a flaw. Doesn't have the classic J in his arsenal.
They're all about spacing and making 3s, and you have to give him that he's shooting incredibly well from 3 this year.
. He'd fit right in, but as a secondary player, not a #2 type guy.
I don't think I would trade back those 2 first rounders for KP. It's not even the picks or the assets it's more KP's value and that max deal. I am all but convinced this current regime will find someone to take a max deal and sooner rather than later. KP can go fuck himself into obscurity. Glad I am being proven wrong on this trade.
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Did the Knicks really give up a lot? I never understood that narrative...
They gave up a ton. Wilson Chandler, Danilo Gallinari, Raymond Felton, Timofy Mozgov (who was later flipped for a #1 pick). Plus two draft picks that turned into Dario Saric and Jamal Murray.
None of those guys are/were superstars, but they were complementary talent that was sorely needed around Carmelo. If he had waited 4 months they could have kept all of that and perhaps even packaged some of it for another star.
So, yes: I blame Carmelo.
not the moron GM and jackass owner that made the deal?
Nobody put a gun to their heads.
Oh yes, I blame them the most. This and many similar moves buried the team for 20 years. But I don’t absolve Carmelo. He made a decision to Max his income, which is fine. But by forcing the trade he stripped the team from the ability to build a winner. Carmelo, both in negotiations and in play on the floor is a selfish player. Winning is secondary.
People need to stop with this narrative if Melo waited they could of just added him into cap space
Since he went to Dallas, he's been ok.
I realize you despise him Hreg but take the goggles off for a second. Over 40% from 3 the past 2 seasons is very good shooting. How many guys in the Knick rotation would you prefer taking the open 3 right now when Randle kicks it out to them late? Bullock? RJ? Payton. The only 3point shooters on the roster that even compare to him right now are Quickly or maybe Burks.
Three biggest factors:
1) He significantly reduced the number of contested shots he’s taking.
2) He prioritizes getting to the spots he’s most effective from.
3) Luka Doncic. He draws the defense to him in the lane and then finds Hardaway for open shots.
#3 is almost certainly the biggest factor, as it leads to Hardaway doing the first 2. The Knicks never had that for him.
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Did the Knicks really give up a lot? I never understood that narrative...
They gave up a ton. Wilson Chandler, Danilo Gallinari, Raymond Felton, Timofy Mozgov (who was later flipped for a #1 pick). Plus two draft picks that turned into Dario Saric and Jamal Murray.
None of those guys are/were superstars, but they were complementary talent that was sorely needed around Carmelo. If he had waited 4 months they could have kept all of that and perhaps even packaged some of it for another star.
So, yes: I blame Carmelo.
not the moron GM and jackass owner that made the deal?
Nobody put a gun to their heads.
Oh yes, I blame them the most. This and many similar moves buried the team for 20 years. But I don’t absolve Carmelo. He made a decision to Max his income, which is fine. But by forcing the trade he stripped the team from the ability to build a winner. Carmelo, both in negotiations and in play on the floor is a selfish player. Winning is secondary.
Melo didn't decide what or how many players were going back in the deal. Walsh/Dolan could have negotiated a better deal - and the team could have done a better job building around Melo going forward.
- There really was no shot of him coming to the Knicks in free agency. If the Knicks didn't trade for him he was going to be traded to the Lakers or Nets and would sign a extension there. With the lockout coming he was not waiting to free agency.
- The Knicks fatal mistakes in the Melo era was not using the amnesty on Amare, the Bargnani trade and not being prepared to trade for CP3 ( who wanted to come to the Knicks).
Tell me how the package they sent out was an overpay? I just don't understand the narrative that the Melo trade broke up the 1970 Knicks. It would have been nice not to include the 1st round pick but you were trading for an all nba player in his prime.
I would recommend listening to Melo on Wojs podcast. Some really good insight.
Trade to the Sixers?
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Trade to the Sixers?
The rumor is both the Sixers and LAC have "spoken" to Toroto but Toronto is hesitant to blow it up
Honestly for me talent wise if I feel I can compete for a title it would probably be Porzi. However if I'm the Knicks I'd say Randle. Porzi more semelessly fits in with a true alpha teammate like Luka. However his body will not age well at all. I think Randle has more top level type years in him and at this moment is a better all around player who you can count on to show up every night.
Honestly for me talent wise if I feel I can compete for a title it would probably be Porzi. However if I'm the Knicks I'd say Randle. Porzi more semelessly fits in with a true alpha teammate like Luka. However his body will not age well at all. I think Randle has more top level type years in him and at this moment is a better all around player who you can count on to show up every night.
KP's injuries make it an easy call for Randle. And this is from someone who hated (and still hates) the KP trade...and was looking to dump Randle for peanuts this past offseason. If Randle's 3 point shooting ability is a real thing going forward, this tips in his favor even more.
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What can Cuban say? They just recently gave him a ton of $.
Nothing against either player but a Randle/Barrett headlined team isn't competing for an NBA title without it being a 1 in 50 season where the Mavs had 4-5 BIG player who melded perfectly. I like both players but it's just not realistic.
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and you dont think twice, now you have to find Randle's running mate, is it Rj? can Quickley develop into that? i hope so but more than likely that player is not on the team yet
Nothing against either player but a Randle/Barrett headlined team isn't competing for an NBA title without it being a 1 in 50 season where the Mavs had 4-5 BIG player who melded perfectly. I like both players but it's just not realistic.
agree with you 100%, i dont think the running mate is on the team yet..
Im expecting them to add a shooting guard, i dont know who bit i expect them to do it by the deadline..
This is the crux of it. He was a Unicorn. Without that athleticism he's not the special talent he was. His defense, especially has suffered. In terms of guys who will likely age into their 30s, Randle is a lot better bet at this point.
Not to mention the personality difference. It's nearly impossible to imagine KP taking on the leadership and burden that Randle has. At least, I haven't seen that level of character from him yet. The response that Randle had coming off that bad 19-20 season is really impressive. Responding as he has to the challenges Thibs has laid out for him is really impressive. He just doesn't have the sense of entitlement you always got from KP.
That said, we'll take KP back for DET 2nd rounder.
If we arent in the Lavine/Beal range id just like a shooter like Redick, who wont cost much.
I think Timmy's a FA this summer, too. We're getting the band back together.
If we arent in the Lavine/Beal range id just like a shooter like Redick, who wont cost much.
Oladipo is a free agent and doubtful he resigns with Houston, they are not gettinf much
Now this is positive because it shows the aknocks wanted to get Randle right and playing to his best ball and were invested in him..
but if they were that invested in him why draft toppin?
Sure, if Houston wants to give him away for players I don't care to see on the 2022 Knicks as a "try-out" then I guess it's fine but... this is a guy who hasn't played even 50 games since the 2017-2018 season
Keep an eye on Trey Murphy from UVA in this years draft. They’ve been scouting him heavily
Keep an eye on Trey Murphy from UVA in this years draft. They’ve been scouting him heavily
If that's all he gets, then it will be one of the biggest blunders in NBA history. He reportedly turned down 113 million before being traded.
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They didn’t get in on the three team deal involving Oladipo because they do want to sign him this summer and are considered the front runners by people in the league for him and or Dinwiddie. They won’t give up assets for Oladipo though, and I’d be shocked if he got more than a one year prove it deal around 15-20 mil with an option.
Keep an eye on Trey Murphy from UVA in this years draft. They’ve been scouting him heavily
If that's all he gets, then it will be one of the biggest blunders in NBA history. He reportedly turned down 113 million before being traded.
Things could change and it only takes one but the handful of teams I’ve asked about him say pretty much that same thing.
Keep an eye on Trey Murphy from UVA in this years draft. They’ve been scouting him heavily
So far as I know, Trey Murphy isn't going to enter this year's draft. He's a late bloomer as a player and he's still really skinny.
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They didn’t get in on the three team deal involving Oladipo because they do want to sign him this summer and are considered the front runners by people in the league for him and or Dinwiddie. They won’t give up assets for Oladipo though, and I’d be shocked if he got more than a one year prove it deal around 15-20 mil with an option.
Keep an eye on Trey Murphy from UVA in this years draft. They’ve been scouting him heavily
So far as I know, Trey Murphy isn't going to enter this year's draft. He's a late bloomer as a player and he's still really skinny.
He’s gone barring a disastrous close to the season. The league loves him and could end up as a late first rounder.