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NFT: Yankees - German - Elephant in the Room

section125 : 2/22/2021 7:21 am
It seems that the only news coming out of camp is all about Domingo German returning to the team. It is apparently causing a problem with his teammates. For one it seems Zack Britton is put off and as player rep that is not a good thing for German(or the Yankees).
"View from 314 ft" has a bit of an article on this. Total mess. I think part of the problem is that no one knows exactly the extent of his abuse and the nature. Almost like the Yankees were/are covering it up. But apparently his teammates know and it was worse than what was leaked out. According to Views, the abuse that started at CC's charity event continued at home and his wife/gf called another Yankee teammates wife for help.
I believe some of the issue is the players want him to address them first before the media. Apparently Chapman(of all people) has been on him to talk to the players.

I was hoping he would return and pitch as he did in 2019. But it really looks like the players may not be willing to have him in the locker room at this point. That is not a good sign at all.

Perhaps I am not reading this correctly. However I was wondering why Ken Davidoff has been writing articles against German. He probably knows a lot more than has been let out and is hinting at things not being on the up and up.

Davidoff NY Post article - ( New Window )
There’s always more to it than we know  
UConn4523 : 2/22/2021 7:53 am : link
and I’d wager it wasn’t a one off incident. Not sure on the coverup angle though, that seems like a reach. Brittons comments seem normal to me.
German is going to appolgize to the team  
Giantsfan79 : 2/22/2021 7:55 am : link
and games will start and people will move on. He's served his punishment and will be gone if anything else happens.
What is it that you think Davidoff is hinting at?  
Mad Mike : 2/22/2021 9:41 am : link
I don't get anything like that from his article.

At any rate, I agree with Giantsfan - German will talk with his teammates, hopefully acknowledging that what he did was wrong and unacceptable, and he can't behave that way. How they feel about him will probably vary for each individual guy, but they'll be able to move forward.
First part of this is  
RetroJint : 2/22/2021 9:47 am : link
my assessment of German: I don’t think he’s very good . I think the 19-win season was a fluke . As far as whether he should be allowed to pitch again , what is the sense of concepts like redemption and second chances if you don’t mean them ? Just summarily execute the guy’s career. In that sense I appreciate how the left-hander from Oregon State was dealt with a few years back . His career was summarily executed . At least it was honest .

Boone’s comments , ever goo-goo, were troubling to me as well . I don’t think the Yankees will ever win a championship under him, even if everyone stays healthy . If German apologized to the team, and fulfilled the legal obligations required for his criminal actions , Britton should concentrate on throwing low strikes and keep his mouth shut . And Boone should be taking the temperature of his brain when he considers some of the weird decisions that he makes during the playoffs .

As ever the hypocrisy -laden decision to welcome Chapman . Why the one and not the other ? Because Chapman throws harder? It’s line drawing . That’s all it is . German is now a pariah . He has no place on the Yankees . Probably none in MLB.
Apparently  
DanMetroMan : 2/22/2021 10:15 am : link
he slapped/hit the victim at an MLB event and then later that same night was so threatening and abusive the victim had to call one of his teammates (unnamed) and teammates' spouses (while locked in a room) to come to pick her up and talk him down. Given these facts, it's safe to assume his teammates know more about what occurred than your standard DV case.
RE: First part of this is  
Beer Man : 2/22/2021 11:59 am : link
In comment 15158488 RetroJint said:
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my assessment of German: I don’t think he’s very good . I think the 19-win season was a fluke . As far as whether he should be allowed to pitch again , what is the sense of concepts like redemption and second chances if you don’t mean them ? Just summarily execute the guy’s career. In that sense I appreciate how the left-hander from Oregon State was dealt with a few years back . His career was summarily executed . At least it was honest .

Boone’s comments , ever goo-goo, were troubling to me as well . I don’t think the Yankees will ever win a championship under him, even if everyone stays healthy . If German apologized to the team, and fulfilled the legal obligations required for his criminal actions , Britton should concentrate on throwing low strikes and keep his mouth shut . And Boone should be taking the temperature of his brain when he considers some of the weird decisions that he makes during the playoffs .

As ever the hypocrisy -laden decision to welcome Chapman . Why the one and not the other ? Because Chapman throws harder? It’s line drawing . That’s all it is . German is now a pariah . He has no place on the Yankees . Probably none in MLB.
If it turns out that you are right, and he is not a good player, then he should be an easy cut. At this point, I don't know what to expect. He seems to be damaged goods (mentally) and he played very poorly during Winter ball. I'm hoping that Garcia and Schmidt step up this year, and that German is either a bullpen piece or gone to another team.
RE: First part of this is  
HomerJones45 : 2/22/2021 1:11 pm : link
In comment 15158488 RetroJint said:
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my assessment of German: I don’t think he’s very good . I think the 19-win season was a fluke . As far as whether he should be allowed to pitch again , what is the sense of concepts like redemption and second chances if you don’t mean them ? Just summarily execute the guy’s career. In that sense I appreciate how the left-hander from Oregon State was dealt with a few years back . His career was summarily executed . At least it was honest .

Boone’s comments , ever goo-goo, were troubling to me as well . I don’t think the Yankees will ever win a championship under him, even if everyone stays healthy . If German apologized to the team, and fulfilled the legal obligations required for his criminal actions , Britton should concentrate on throwing low strikes and keep his mouth shut . And Boone should be taking the temperature of his brain when he considers some of the weird decisions that he makes during the playoffs .

As ever the hypocrisy -laden decision to welcome Chapman . Why the one and not the other ? Because Chapman throws harder? It’s line drawing . That’s all it is . German is now a pariah . He has no place on the Yankees . Probably none in MLB.
Boone is not in charge of anything. He doesn't take a shit unless his boss and the quants in the basement tell him it is propitious to do so.
RE: First part of this is  
LTIsTheGreatest : 2/22/2021 3:05 pm : link
In comment 15158488 RetroJint said:
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my assessment of German: I don’t think he’s very good . I think the 19-win season was a fluke . As far as whether he should be allowed to pitch again , what is the sense of concepts like redemption and second chances if you don’t mean them ? Just summarily execute the guy’s career. In that sense I appreciate how the left-hander from Oregon State was dealt with a few years back . His career was summarily executed . At least it was honest .

Boone’s comments , ever goo-goo, were troubling to me as well . I don’t think the Yankees will ever win a championship under him, even if everyone stays healthy . If German apologized to the team, and fulfilled the legal obligations required for his criminal actions , Britton should concentrate on throwing low strikes and keep his mouth shut . And Boone should be taking the temperature of his brain when he considers some of the weird decisions that he makes during the playoffs .

As ever the hypocrisy -laden decision to welcome Chapman . Why the one and not the other ? Because Chapman throws harder? It’s line drawing . That’s all it is . German is now a pariah . He has no place on the Yankees . Probably none in MLB.


He went 18-4 in his first full season. What did you get from that that made you think he isn't good?
This is all Cashman  
PaulN : 2/22/2021 3:46 pm : link
He is in complete control. Anytime 1 person has that much say so,bespectacled for an owner that could care less about the team it's a bad situation. No checks and balances. Cashman and his home run team that has won 1 ring in all the years he has been running it. Don't give me the 1999 and 2000 team, that was all Stick and Buck, with Torre running the bench. Cashman even runs the bench in this team, pretty sickening.
Hired the perfect  
PaulN : 2/22/2021 3:49 pm : link
Yes man in Boone. The go out and make believe you run the bench manager. Not bad, 1 million a year to be a stooge.
I see it differently  
UConn4523 : 2/22/2021 4:31 pm : link
you can't call anyone that Cashman would hire a yes man, then call that yes man a stooge for doing the job he was paid to do.

I actually think Boone is well liked by the clubhouse and handles situations like these really well. It isn't something that any old person can achieve.

I guess I just find it funny when everyone blames analytics for the roster or in game decisions, and then gets all mad at Boone for sticking to them, directly after saying he has no say in the matter anyway. Too convoluted for that to be reality, IMO.
RE: First part of this is  
section125 : 2/22/2021 4:36 pm : link
In comment 15158488 RetroJint said:
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my assessment of German: I don’t think he’s very good . I think the 19-win season was a fluke . As far as whether he should be allowed to pitch again , what is the sense of concepts like redemption and second chances if you don’t mean them ? Just summarily execute the guy’s career. In that sense I appreciate how the left-hander from Oregon State was dealt with a few years back . His career was summarily executed . At least it was honest .

Boone’s comments , ever goo-goo, were troubling to me as well . I don’t think the Yankees will ever win a championship under him, even if everyone stays healthy . If German apologized to the team, and fulfilled the legal obligations required for his criminal actions , Britton should concentrate on throwing low strikes and keep his mouth shut . And Boone should be taking the temperature of his brain when he considers some of the weird decisions that he makes during the playoffs .

As ever the hypocrisy -laden decision to welcome Chapman . Why the one and not the other ? Because Chapman throws harder? It’s line drawing . That’s all it is . German is now a pariah . He has no place on the Yankees . Probably none in MLB.


#1 - he is a good pitcher and that was not a fluke season. He would have been better if he didn't run out of gas late.

#2 - Chapman did not hit is GF. He went in the garage and shot his pistol a few times.

My problem is that what he did was never said. Huge difference between yelling at a GF/wife than smacking her.
My opinion, like yours, is he did his suspension now play. But Davidoff has now written two articles in a few days disparaging German. I was wondering if there was something else.
was there any manded counseling, therapy, or rehabiliation  
PaulBlakeTSU : 2/22/2021 4:39 pm : link
as part of his suspension? Has he taken those steps either way? Has he done substantial community service to help reduce domestic violence? I hope so. If his only recourse has been obliging a suspension by waiting it out, then to me it isn't redemption, but merely running out the clock.
A few thoughts  
Matt M. : 2/22/2021 4:46 pm : link
1) As mentioned, this is a lot worse than anyone of us knows and apparently the team knows. As mentioned, not only was a teammate's spouse called to their home, but the teammate as well. So, an unnamed teammate was directly involved with first hand knowledge.

2) It may seem like the clubhouse dissent is no big deal, but this is the type of thing that can linger and potentially split the room.

3) It shouldn't matter how good he is in terms of how to deal with this. But, that said, I wasn't overly impressed him. His 18 wins were more the result of a strong pen and not pitching deep in many games. His ERA was over 4 and his other stats are good, but not great or even very good. He is #3 or 4 starter. Personally, I could do without him, especially if players are bothered by his presence.

4) I'd really be curious (I wouldn't say I "want") to know what actually happened.
RE: was there any manded counseling, therapy, or rehabiliation  
Mad Mike : 2/22/2021 5:21 pm : link
In comment 15158881 PaulBlakeTSU said:
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as part of his suspension? Has he taken those steps either way? Has he done substantial community service to help reduce domestic violence? I hope so. If his only recourse has been obliging a suspension by waiting it out, then to me it isn't redemption, but merely running out the clock.

An article in December by Klapisch said he'd "completed therapy and rehabilitation protocols". No idea what that entails, and while I'd hope it was some meaningful level of counseling, I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't.
RE: A few thoughts  
section125 : 2/22/2021 5:30 pm : link
In comment 15158897 Matt M. said:
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2) It may seem like the clubhouse dissent is no big deal, but this is the type of thing that can linger and potentially split the room.

3) It shouldn't matter how good he is in terms of how to deal with this. But, that said, I wasn't overly impressed him. His 18 wins were more the result of a strong pen and not pitching deep in many games. His ERA was over 4 and his other stats are good, but not great or even very good. He is #3 or 4 starter. Personally, I could do without him, especially if players are bothered by his presence.


I agree with the clubhouse sentiment being meaningful, but we do not know the clubhouse sentiment except that Britton is pissed about something. It may be that he is pissed having to answer questions from the FO and the media and just wants to get his work in to be ready.

If your #4 pitcher goes 18-4, with a 4 era, you'd be happy as a pig in shit. And how many pitchers at the #3 or #4 level go deep? You also have to remember that he was on a pitch count.
RE: RE: A few thoughts  
Matt M. : 2/22/2021 5:43 pm : link
In comment 15158943 section125 said:
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In comment 15158897 Matt M. said:


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2) It may seem like the clubhouse dissent is no big deal, but this is the type of thing that can linger and potentially split the room.

3) It shouldn't matter how good he is in terms of how to deal with this. But, that said, I wasn't overly impressed him. His 18 wins were more the result of a strong pen and not pitching deep in many games. His ERA was over 4 and his other stats are good, but not great or even very good. He is #3 or 4 starter. Personally, I could do without him, especially if players are bothered by his presence.



I agree with the clubhouse sentiment being meaningful, but we do not know the clubhouse sentiment except that Britton is pissed about something. It may be that he is pissed having to answer questions from the FO and the media and just wants to get his work in to be ready.

If your #4 pitcher goes 18-4, with a 4 era, you'd be happy as a pig in shit. And how many pitchers at the #3 or #4 level go deep? You also have to remember that he was on a pitch count.
My point is, with the stats, outside of W-L, to be merely good, and him missing more than a year, I don't have expectations of him approaching 18 wins again.
RE: RE: RE: A few thoughts  
section125 : 2/22/2021 6:38 pm : link
In comment 15158955 Matt M. said:
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My point is, with the stats, outside of W-L, to be merely good, and him missing more than a year, I don't have expectations of him approaching 18 wins again.


Most of the young pitchers got nothing last year, so they will all need to be on pitch counts. So there will be huge question marks on 85% of all pitchers on every team in MLB and MiLB.
Yankees  
BigBluesman : 2/22/2021 7:38 pm : link
have mishandled this for a while. It was tremendously stupid and yes, bordering on unforgivable, for this guy to slap his baby mama at a team dinner. Just cut him. No matter what the Yankees do their starting rotation will probably be thin anyway.
RE: Yankees  
section125 : 2/22/2021 10:45 pm : link
In comment 15159022 BigBluesman said:
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have mishandled this for a while. It was tremendously stupid and yes, bordering on unforgivable, for this guy to slap his baby mama at a team dinner. Just cut him. No matter what the Yankees do their starting rotation will probably be thin anyway.


Do you know that is what he did for certain? I have seen one person speculate that is what happened(charity event - not a team function)and it seems that is likely what happened or a shove. But I never heard of a criminal charge being filed.

If everyone who did something bad or unacceptable was to be let go from their job, no convict would ever get hired. People with DUIs would be unemployed....

Yeah it is not acceptable behavior and he was suspended for 81 games, basically a $250k+ fine. Remember some of that money would have been her's too.
he is very talented  
RasputinPrime : 2/23/2021 12:14 am : link
and cheap. That we didn't unload him says how much the Yankees feel they need him in 2021.

If that is the case, they need to deal with this so it isn't an issue. I don't watch sports to get into political debates and I really don't want to know about the players' private lives.
No, I don't know  
BigBluesman : 2/23/2021 1:06 pm : link
exactly what happened. But look, this happened last year and its still obviously a sore subject, we can know this from Steinbrenner comments on down. It's apparent that the need for pitching is the reason he is still around. In my opinion that is not a relevant reason in this case and it has become a bad look.
My fault  
BigBluesman : 2/23/2021 1:08 pm : link
this was two years ago right? Even worse. If it's being talked about still, obviously it would have been more wise to part ways.
wtf  
adamg : 2/23/2021 4:33 pm : link
Judge is gapless

Better not affect his swing  
adamg : 2/23/2021 4:36 pm : link
hope it keeps him off the il
RE: RE: Yankees  
DanMetroMan : 2/23/2021 4:47 pm : link
In comment 15159121 section125 said:
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In comment 15159022 BigBluesman said:


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have mishandled this for a while. It was tremendously stupid and yes, bordering on unforgivable, for this guy to slap his baby mama at a team dinner. Just cut him. No matter what the Yankees do their starting rotation will probably be thin anyway.



Do you know that is what he did for certain? I have seen one person speculate that is what happened(charity event - not a team function)and it seems that is likely what happened or a shove. But I never heard of a criminal charge being filed.

If everyone who did something bad or unacceptable was to be let go from their job, no convict would ever get hired. People with DUIs would be unemployed....

Yeah it is not acceptable behavior and he was suspended for 81 games, basically a $250k+ fine. Remember some of that money would have been her's too.


Not sure where this "one person" comes from?

The Athletic

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In September 2019, Germán and his girlfriend attended a charity gala held by then-teammate CC Sabathia. Many of Germán’s 2019 teammates were also there with their families. Germán slapped his girlfriend at the event, sources said, but the MLB investigation focused primarily on what happened at his home later that night.

According to multiple league sources, including a person with knowledge of the MLB investigation, Germán was intoxicated and became physically violent toward his girlfriend until she hid in a locked room. The victim is said to have contacted the wife of another Yankees player, and the couple drove to Germán’s home late at night. The victim remained with the teammate’s wife, while the player attempted to calm down Germán, who is said to have been angry and belligerent. The incident was reported to MLB by a different member of the Yankees staff, whom Germán’s girlfriend had told about it. The victim did not call law enforcement, so there is no police report from the night of the assault.
RE: My fault  
section125 : 2/23/2021 4:50 pm : link
In comment 15159580 BigBluesman said:
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this was two years ago right? Even worse. If it's being talked about still, obviously it would have been more wise to part ways.


No it would not be wise to part ways. Media has nothing to do but harp on something, in case you have not noticed. Problem was he was kept away from the team until now, so there was no way for him to come clean with his teammates which appears to be an issue. That and his dumb ass social media posts. I understand him last summer being despondent. But on the eve of ST? Maybe he was worried about standing in front of media and teammates explaining what he did and how he will be a better person from now on.
I feel it is best to see how he reacts to the scrutiny through ST. If he becomes a locker room problem, then trade him away. But if he settles in, keeps to himself and his teammates accept him, then the fans should too.

IMHO
RE: wtf  
mitch300 : 2/23/2021 5:24 pm : link
In comment 15159816 adamg said:
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Judge is gapless


Did the Yankees get rid of the Nike swish.
RE: RE: My fault  
BigBluesman : 2/23/2021 5:42 pm : link
In comment 15159835 section125 said:
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this was two years ago right? Even worse. If it's being talked about still, obviously it would have been more wise to part ways.



No it would not be wise to part ways. Media has nothing to do but harp on something, in case you have not noticed. Problem was he was kept away from the team until now, so there was no way for him to come clean with his teammates which appears to be an issue. That and his dumb ass social media posts. I understand him last summer being despondent. But on the eve of ST? Maybe he was worried about standing in front of media and teammates explaining what he did and how he will be a better person from now on.
I feel it is best to see how he reacts to the scrutiny through ST. If he becomes a locker room problem, then trade him away. But if he settles in, keeps to himself and his teammates accept him, then the fans should too.

IMHO

I'm not referring to the media. I'm referring to comments from Steinbrenner, Cashman, Boone, and now Britton, all comments that make it very clear that this continues to be problematic in the clubhouse, media or not. The media has honestly been soft on the Yankees over this.
RE: RE: wtf  
DanMetroMan : 2/23/2021 5:51 pm : link
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Judge is gapless




Did the Yankees get rid of the Nike swish.


This must be some Yankee promo pic etc because all-teams still have the swoosh (saw Taillon with it when he was talking the other day). It's a 10 year contract.
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