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NFT: Murph signed the marijuana law

NoPeanutz : 2/22/2021 2:01 pm
Cannabis is now legal in NJ, it seems. It happened today, under the radar.

Look for the end of 2021 to start being able to buy it recreationally in stores, optimistically. The commission has six months now to figure this stuff out, but when do committees like this ever deliver on time?
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Any politician who is against marijuana legalization  
Ben in Tampa : 2/22/2021 2:32 pm : link
at this point, should be recalled/voted out/resign due to their overwhelming stupidity.

Good for NJ.
really hope CT gets its shit together  
UConn4523 : 2/22/2021 2:40 pm : link
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RE: Any politician who is against marijuana legalization  
DC Gmen Fan : 2/22/2021 2:43 pm : link
In comment 15158757 Ben in Tampa said:
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at this point, should be recalled/voted out/resign due to their overwhelming stupidity.

Good for NJ.


Why?
Why?  
Giant John : 2/22/2021 2:48 pm : link
Oh the usual reason. MONEY.
Delta 8  
ATL_Giants : 2/22/2021 2:51 pm : link
if you know what that is. They're selling it as gummies now in Georgia. Hell of a work around, but they're selling cannabinoids.
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Named Later : 2/22/2021 3:05 pm : link
NJ Gov's election date is November 2, 2021. I'd expect the enactment of legal weed to be announced just before that date.

Campaign slogan will be "Pot in every Bong !!"

Details on the Cannabis Tax and a fully Balanced New Jersey Budget to follow shortly after the Election.
RE: RE: Any politician who is against marijuana legalization  
Zeke's Alibi : 2/22/2021 3:06 pm : link
In comment 15158763 DC Gmen Fan said:
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at this point, should be recalled/voted out/resign due to their overwhelming stupidity.

Good for NJ.



Why?


Why should weed be illegal to begin with is a better question. Personally, I think the fact drugs are illegal to begin with is pretty antithetical to American values (the whole goverment staying out of people's personal lives bit), but at least I can understand the thought process of having the harder stuff illegal. Marijuana is certainly more benign than Alcohol on that scale.

People are going to do drugs, they are fun, and you may want to try them some time. Making them illegal creates black market violence and the risk of shitty product which is much more dangerous for the end user. Treatments for people with issues (because it's taboo these are the people you tend to associate with drugs) is far more cost effective than what we currently do.

All this propaganda against drugs is nonsense. Most the people I know that do them are professional tax paying citizens with no issues. What I really don't understand is alcohol is probably the most dangerous drug when abused, both to your body and mental health, and yet I can go buy it probably 1000 places within 1 square mile of my apartment.
RE: RE: RE: Any politician who is against marijuana legalization  
John In CO : 2/22/2021 3:28 pm : link
In comment 15158788 Zeke's Alibi said:
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at this point, should be recalled/voted out/resign due to their overwhelming stupidity.

Good for NJ.



Why?



Why should weed be illegal to begin with is a better question. Personally, I think the fact drugs are illegal to begin with is pretty antithetical to American values (the whole goverment staying out of people's personal lives bit), but at least I can understand the thought process of having the harder stuff illegal. Marijuana is certainly more benign than Alcohol on that scale.

People are going to do drugs, they are fun, and you may want to try them some time. Making them illegal creates black market violence and the risk of shitty product which is much more dangerous for the end user. Treatments for people with issues (because it's taboo these are the people you tend to associate with drugs) is far more cost effective than what we currently do.

All this propaganda against drugs is nonsense. Most the people I know that do them are professional tax paying citizens with no issues. What I really don't understand is alcohol is probably the most dangerous drug when abused, both to your body and mental health, and yet I can go buy it probably 1000 places within 1 square mile of my apartment.


Couldnt agree with you more....and I have no interest whatsoever in marijuana. Its been legal here in CO for so long now that it amuses me when I see people from other states discussing the legality issue. I dont even think about it anymore. Agree with your feeling on alcohol as well...thats the one I had issues with way back when, Luckily, I was able to realize that it had become an issue and I backed off, but yeah, never understood why mind altering substance (a) is legal while (b) isnt. And really, you can throw nicotine in to the mix as well as that substance continues to claim more lives year after year.
this  
ImThatGuy : 2/22/2021 3:30 pm : link
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Sec 103 : 2/22/2021 3:38 pm : link
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Very Good
in the City that i work in California  
GFiLA : 2/22/2021 3:46 pm : link
they are outlawing flavored e and normal tobacco. In Oregon all drugs are legal. It is impossible to keep track of all the changes. Colorado legalized pot years ago and they are suffering for it.
RE: in the City that i work in California  
giants#1 : 2/22/2021 4:13 pm : link
In comment 15158826 GFiLA said:
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they are outlawing flavored e and normal tobacco. In Oregon all drugs are legal. It is impossible to keep track of all the changes. Colorado legalized pot years ago and they are suffering for it.


How is CO suffering?
It is not legal anywhere  
averagejoe : 2/22/2021 4:26 pm : link
until the existing Federal law is repealed. Until that happens it is not actually 'legal' in any state.
Here in Massachusetts  
Bob from Massachusetts : 2/22/2021 4:40 pm : link
recreational was legalized in 2016 but the process has been incredibly protracted based on various political considerations, many of which were justified but incredibly slow proceeding. Now more than 4 years later, there is 1 store open in Boston, although a few more approved.

I have a lot of ambivalence. Although in my mind clearly safer than alcohol or tobacco, that doesn't mean safe, and actual research has been limited for decades based on arcane federal rules. I think legalization is good for racial equity, but I am not sure the government should be sanctioning it, but it makes it pretty easy to acquire, which is a good thing in my mind, and it is revenue for the state. But it really has taken a long time up here.
I recommend the Ken Burns PROHIBITON doc.  
NoPeanutz : 2/22/2021 4:43 pm : link
3-part series. Really broke down the challenges of 'prohibition' as a wholesale policy, vs regulation. Within weeks of Prohibition, cities started filling up with corpses of people who had drunk tainted product available on the street, booze made out of inedible substances such as wood and furniture, or product that was intentionally 'denatured (made poison)' by the federal government.

Without drawing too many parallels to Cannabis prohibition as it exists in most of the country, it does provide food for thought about life in this country would look like if we regulated cannabis like alcohol.



RE: RE: RE: RE: Any politician who is against marijuana legalization  
Zeke's Alibi : 2/22/2021 4:48 pm : link
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Couldnt agree with you more....and I have no interest whatsoever in marijuana. Its been legal here in CO for so long now that it amuses me when I see people from other states discussing the legality issue. I dont even think about it anymore. Agree with your feeling on alcohol as well...thats the one I had issues with way back when, Luckily, I was able to realize that it had become an issue and I backed off, but yeah, never understood why mind altering substance (a) is legal while (b) isnt. And really, you can throw nicotine in to the mix as well as that substance continues to claim more lives year after year.


I actually disagree with the nicotine thing. Nicotine isn't really the problem. It's the vehicles that are the issue, just full of garbage. Almost all of the studies done on nicotine have been around smoking and not just nicotine. I smoked for about a decade plus and am a serious health and fitness nut. Switched over to vaping and have no plans to quit. My inflammation is way down and I feel great all the time. Probably one of the bigger life changes I"ve made as far as cause and effect. Obviously it's not perfect, but as far as drugs go it's very benign as long as you are doing the right things (eating healthy, exercising) and I find the benefits to far outweigh the risk.
RE: in the City that i work in California  
Zeke's Alibi : 2/22/2021 4:51 pm : link
In comment 15158826 GFiLA said:
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they are outlawing flavored e and normal tobacco. In Oregon all drugs are legal. It is impossible to keep track of all the changes. Colorado legalized pot years ago and they are suffering for it.


Yeah I'd love to hear how Colorado is "struggling". Place is a boom state. The only people I see take issue are the "won't somebody think of the children" pearl clutchers.
marijuana being legalized  
UConn4523 : 2/22/2021 4:52 pm : link
isn't just for recreational use. People like myself see tremendous benefits in pain relief and inflammation with MJ consumption. I enjoy CBD but its expensive and works better with THC included. Jumping through hoops to medicate naturally, instead of using pain killers or even something like 8 motrins a day (i don't do this but plenty of people do and its terrible for you) is common sense. Yes you need to be responsible and I think most would be.
tens of millions of people  
UConn4523 : 2/22/2021 4:54 pm : link
can scale back or get rid of pain meds, anxiety meds, etc. This is very much a risk to big Pharma, another reason why it hasn't ben federally legalized.
RE: Here in Massachusetts  
Zeke's Alibi : 2/22/2021 5:05 pm : link
In comment 15158886 Bob from Massachusetts said:
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recreational was legalized in 2016 but the process has been incredibly protracted based on various political considerations, many of which were justified but incredibly slow proceeding. Now more than 4 years later, there is 1 store open in Boston, although a few more approved.

I have a lot of ambivalence. Although in my mind clearly safer than alcohol or tobacco, that doesn't mean safe, and actual research has been limited for decades based on arcane federal rules. I think legalization is good for racial equity, but I am not sure the government should be sanctioning it, but it makes it pretty easy to acquire, which is a good thing in my mind, and it is revenue for the state. But it really has taken a long time up here.


When we are talking about safety issues we need to be looking towards the crap people are eating in this country that is readily available, and mostly with the blessing of government subsidies. This has a much more impactful on society's well being as a whole. Shit we have a generation of seniors that are immobile because of the deterioration of their physical condition due to food and lack of activity and they sit around watching cable news all day riling them up. The care for these people is also a very expensive cost on society as well because we can keep people alive well past what is really natural now.

Lived in an over 55 building on the beach here in Florida for a few years and the amount of care and well being that those that took care of themselves, and the ones that didn't, is night and day.
RE: tens of millions of people  
Zeke's Alibi : 2/22/2021 5:17 pm : link
In comment 15158908 UConn4523 said:
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can scale back or get rid of pain meds, anxiety meds, etc. This is very much a risk to big Pharma, another reason why it hasn't ben federally legalized.


I have pretty bad pain issues and get muscle relaxers and the occasional hydrocodone when the VA was still giving those out. Came across something called Kratom that works similarly to baclofen, opiates, and NSAIDS, but BETTER. Well not opiates, but they pretty much just shut off your brain and are addictive so there's that. It's a very interesting drug that comes from Asia with it's own history (banned in Thailand because it was cutting into Opium profits).

They have bars here in Florida that sell it and Kava and other non alcoholic things because it's been proven as a tremendous resource to get people off opiates (works for alcholics as well) as it works on the same receptors except for the high. The first time you take it, it just gives you this great sense of well being and makes you a bit chatty. Your body and brain builds up a tolerance fast other than the pain killing aspect. What's great is its self limiting, you can't overdoes on it because you will get very sick as soon as you take too much.

So what happens? Millions of veterans, addicts, and those suffering from long term pain issues take this, but than the lobbyists start busting in. You see this coordinated addict in the media and using politicians to scare people that it's a deadly addictive drug.

The DEA tried to make it illegal and was set until there was a massive outpouring of petitions saving how this product saved their lives. The issue is that it's fairly cheap and you can't really profit off it unless you make it illegal and than harness it into a pill and run a bunch of trials on it. This is exactly what they wanted to do. Problem is we are in the middle of an opiod crisis and millions of people suffering from pain (many veterans) and it really became non politically feasible to pass it. I don't know what I would have done if they passed it.
RE: tens of millions of people  
Gregorio : 2/23/2021 3:49 am : link
In comment 15158908 UConn4523 said:
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can scale back or get rid of pain meds, anxiety meds, etc. This is very much a risk to big Pharma, another reason why it hasn't ben federally legalized.


How long will it be before big Pharma companies get in on making marijuana products? The profit motive is there.
It seems great on the surface....  
EricJ : 2/23/2021 7:05 am : link
but the follow up legislation changes are what will be the issue later. The day when you get DUI for driving while high. Stiffer sentences for growing at home because you are avoiding the state sales tax, etc etc

I have always been for legalized weed. My thought was to build warehouses in Mexico to grow the stuff and keep the people employed down there vs having them jump the border for work. This would be US gov't owned and guarded (from cartels) grow facilities. They earn tax dollars selling it to pharmacies where you can buy over the counter. Then, there is sales tax collected again at purchase.

The problem is you just cannot trust politicians. There is always the issue of what these assholes will do next. Suggest NOT trusting Murphy at all.
Agreed  
kes722 : 2/23/2021 10:32 am : link
Anyone that trusts a government official is delusional.

The government is not and has never been our friend.
politicians aren't going away so  
UConn4523 : 2/23/2021 10:36 am : link
the trust in them is kinda irrelevant. Local government in your community is where you should spend most of your time/effort since you can actually feel that impact.

Something like marijuana legalization just isn't going to happen until the government, big tobacco, and big pharma are ready to make the transition. It just is.
RE: It seems great on the surface....  
Zeke's Alibi : 2/23/2021 11:42 am : link
In comment 15159163 EricJ said:
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but the follow up legislation changes are what will be the issue later. The day when you get DUI for driving while high. Stiffer sentences for growing at home because you are avoiding the state sales tax, etc etc

I have always been for legalized weed. My thought was to build warehouses in Mexico to grow the stuff and keep the people employed down there vs having them jump the border for work. This would be US gov't owned and guarded (from cartels) grow facilities. They earn tax dollars selling it to pharmacies where you can buy over the counter. Then, there is sales tax collected again at purchase.

The problem is you just cannot trust politicians. There is always the issue of what these assholes will do next. Suggest NOT trusting Murphy at all.


Growing it in Mexico is certainly not the answer. Plus Mexican weed is shit compared to what they are growing in Humboldt county. Why would we want to lose that revenue? If your worried about illegals hopping border for work, go after business owners that employ them.

Supply isn’t the issue anyway, there’s already too much weed grown. Distribution is the issue most places and how many regulations there are. And every state has its own wildly different set of rules. Work in the industry now so pretty familiar with this stuff.
Tailgate blazers!  
trueblueinpw : 2/23/2021 12:28 pm : link
Can’t wait to get back to the stadium on game days. Bowls and BBQ and Giants football! Good times!


But seriously, tbh, haven’t partaken in the wacky tobacco since the Giants were a decent NFL team. So like at least a decade. But I’m happy for my many THC friends.
NY will have to move quickly now.  
TJ : 2/23/2021 6:15 pm : link
The idea of taxable revenue hemorrhaging across the Hudson is the stuff of nightmares.
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