that is not good news for us. We don't want Jeff Bezos owning a team in our division. He built one of the most powerful and most efficient companies in the world. We don't need that kind of competition.
If this happens, you're trading Snyder, who flies by the seat of his pants, consistently makes stupid, short-sighted decisions, for Bezos, who is an an unemotional, analytical genius, and the creator of what may be one of the best logistical organizations ever created.
when the WaPo put out that expose about the front office of WFT. People thought he was doing it partly to lower the asking price/speed up the ousting of Snyder
Dan Snyder is the gift that keeps on giving if your a fan of the Giants, Eagles, or Cowboys. Since he bought the team the Redskins have been one of the worst run organizations in the NFL.
But yeah, Bezos owning a NFL team means that team probably becomes the next dynasty based on analytics which would be a decade beyond the rest of the league fairly quickly.
But yeah, Bezos owning a NFL team means that team probably becomes the next dynasty based on analytics which would be a decade beyond the rest of the league fairly quickly.
Riiiiiight. Isn’t that supposed to be happening in Carolina? I expect them winning the super bowl next year.
If this happens, you're trading Snyder, who flies by the seat of his pants, consistently makes stupid, short-sighted decisions, for Bezos, who is an an unemotional, analytical genius, and the creator of what may be one of the best logistical organizations ever created.
That's a bad trade for the Giants.
If I thought the Giants were a well-run organization, I'd welcome the competition, because good competition pushes any person or organization to improve.
However, I don't think the Giants are particularly well-run. Both owners inherited their shares; neither one built the organization or even built the bulk of their fortune, they just won the sperm lottery. Tisch at least has had a successful career in entertainment; the Maras have their seats because of their father and grandfather. It's a family business, and that shows. If the Giants have to compete with Amazon-level ferocity and thinking, we fans are kind of fucked.
You can see it already in MetLife vs. the Cowboys' edifice. Mediocrity vs. relentless drive to excel. The Giants reek of the former.
My gut tells me another team owner will be more willing
I'm as frustrated with ownership as the next person, but this organization has won 2 Super Bowls in the past 15 years. The Cowboys haven't even been to a Super Bowl in 25 years. Let's hold off on anointing Stephen Jones as some football savant.
Dan Snyder is the gift that keeps on giving if your a fan of the Giants, Eagles, or Cowboys. Since he bought the team the Redskins have been one of the worst run organizations in the NFL.
They were also this year's NFC East Champs. Just saying....
I'm as frustrated with ownership as the next person, but this organization has won 2 Super Bowls in the past 15 years. The Cowboys haven't even been to a Super Bowl in 25 years. Let's hold off on anointing Stephen Jones as some football savant.
I assume that was meant for me. I didn't mention Stephen Jones and yes, Dallas is perpetually overrated. Stephen Jones also won the sperm lottery, he's another guy who didn't win anything. But his father is still around. Wellington Mara is long gone and the Giants have been mostly mediocre and getting worse. And believe me, as someone who remembers what a clusterfuck the Giants were in the 70s, when Wellington took over for his brother and father, I have no particular nostalgia for him. Another guy who inherited his seat in the executive suite, rather than earning it.
I'm as frustrated with ownership as the next person, but this organization has won 2 Super Bowls in the past 15 years. The Cowboys haven't even been to a Super Bowl in 25 years. Let's hold off on anointing Stephen Jones as some football savant.
I assume that was meant for me. I didn't mention Stephen Jones and yes, Dallas is perpetually overrated. Stephen Jones also won the sperm lottery, he's another guy who didn't win anything. But his father is still around. Wellington Mara is long gone and the Giants have been mostly mediocre and getting worse. And believe me, as someone who remembers what a clusterfuck the Giants were in the 70s, when Wellington took over for his brother and father, I have no particular nostalgia for him. Another guy who inherited his seat in the executive suite, rather than earning it.
It was meant for you & I don't necessarily disagree with anything you wrote. The Giants need an outside voice with no ties to the organization unlike DG, but I'm been banging that drum forever. If it wasn't for Rozelle...Lord knows what the last 42 years would look like.
Snyder and Bezos are both self-made guys who built their wealth.
One guy became the richest man in the world for a time and orchestrated two of the most dominant industry changing products the world has ever seen, the other is wildly rich but kind of plateaued and is a professional agitator now.
I'm as frustrated with ownership as the next person, but this organization has won 2 Super Bowls in the past 15 years. The Cowboys haven't even been to a Super Bowl in 25 years. Let's hold off on anointing Stephen Jones as some football savant.
I assume that was meant for me. I didn't mention Stephen Jones and yes, Dallas is perpetually overrated. Stephen Jones also won the sperm lottery, he's another guy who didn't win anything. But his father is still around. Wellington Mara is long gone and the Giants have been mostly mediocre and getting worse. And believe me, as someone who remembers what a clusterfuck the Giants were in the 70s, when Wellington took over for his brother and father, I have no particular nostalgia for him. Another guy who inherited his seat in the executive suite, rather than earning it.
It was meant for you & I don't necessarily disagree with anything you wrote. The Giants need an outside voice with no ties to the organization unlike DG, but I'm been banging that drum forever. If it wasn't for Rozelle...Lord knows what the last 42 years would look like.
Being a Mets fan all my life I think I can speak to a certain degree of knowing what the fuck I'm talking about
The Giants and the Mara family are one of the last teams in sports that needs new ownership, its not even close.
You have no idea how good we have it as Giants fans.
I had an interview with Washington to come in and develop an IT strategy focused on data and analytics... they are a complete mess.. I’m not going to repeat the stories... but I can tell you the giants are years ahead of them. They are in the Stone Age as far as IT.. I was shocked..
I could imagine how good they could be if they actually had the right leadership and processes.
I had an interview with Washington to come in and develop an IT strategy focused on data and analytics... they are a complete mess.. I’m not going to repeat the stories... but I can tell you the giants are years ahead of them. They are in the Stone Age as far as IT.. I was shocked..
I could imagine how good they could be if they actually had the right leadership and processes.
Turned it from a venerable objective newspaper into the equivalent of a social justice blog
Fired all the senior reporters and hired 25 year old freelancers (I.e. trust fund kids). He has young people with creative writing degrees from Oberlin reporting on the “science” behind covid.
So I would not be particularly worried about his becoming an NFL owner. You have to work with other owners to have influence. Bezos is a guy who will rub the other owners the wrong way, much like Jerrah.
Amazon also has a bad reputation with Gen Z so I don’t see young guys flicking to his standard
I had an interview with Washington to come in and develop an IT strategy focused on data and analytics... they are a complete mess.. I’m not going to repeat the stories... but I can tell you the giants are years ahead of them. They are in the Stone Age as far as IT.. I was shocked..
I could imagine how good they could be if they actually had the right leadership and processes.
When was this? I heard an interview with their new business side of the house GM and it seems like they updated all that in the past year.
Turned it from a venerable objective newspaper into the equivalent of a social justice blog
In the time Bezos has owned the Post they’ve become profitable, expanded their newsroom to ~1000 staff, opened a number of international bureaus, and increased digital readership to 3 million.
I suspect you’re confusing how your politics are reported on and “destroyed” — as by all objective measures the Post is doing great under Bezos.
Turned it from a venerable objective newspaper into the equivalent of a social justice blog
Fired all the senior reporters and hired 25 year old freelancers (I.e. trust fund kids). He has young people with creative writing degrees from Oberlin reporting on the “science” behind covid.
So I would not be particularly worried about his becoming an NFL owner. You have to work with other owners to have influence. Bezos is a guy who will rub the other owners the wrong way, much like Jerrah.
Amazon also has a bad reputation with Gen Z so I don’t see young guys flicking to his standard
WaPo won over 22 different awards in 2020 including AdWeek naming them the hottest in news and social media. They are the leader in digital aspects out of all the Newspapers in the country. I actually stopped counting at 22 awards as evident in the link below because I think the point was made Link - ( New Window )
I'm as frustrated with ownership as the next person, but this organization has won 2 Super Bowls in the past 15 years. The Cowboys haven't even been to a Super Bowl in 25 years. Let's hold off on anointing Stephen Jones as some football savant.
I assume that was meant for me. I didn't mention Stephen Jones and yes, Dallas is perpetually overrated. Stephen Jones also won the sperm lottery, he's another guy who didn't win anything. But his father is still around. Wellington Mara is long gone and the Giants have been mostly mediocre and getting worse. And believe me, as someone who remembers what a clusterfuck the Giants were in the 70s, when Wellington took over for his brother and father, I have no particular nostalgia for him. Another guy who inherited his seat in the executive suite, rather than earning it.
It was meant for you & I don't necessarily disagree with anything you wrote. The Giants need an outside voice with no ties to the organization unlike DG, but I'm been banging that drum forever. If it wasn't for Rozelle...Lord knows what the last 42 years would look like.
You and I are pretty much on the same page. No disagreement on either side. Sheesh, these plutocrat owners.
I'm as frustrated with ownership as the next person, but this organization has won 2 Super Bowls in the past 15 years. The Cowboys haven't even been to a Super Bowl in 25 years. Let's hold off on anointing Stephen Jones as some football savant.
I assume that was meant for me. I didn't mention Stephen Jones and yes, Dallas is perpetually overrated. Stephen Jones also won the sperm lottery, he's another guy who didn't win anything. But his father is still around. Wellington Mara is long gone and the Giants have been mostly mediocre and getting worse. And believe me, as someone who remembers what a clusterfuck the Giants were in the 70s, when Wellington took over for his brother and father, I have no particular nostalgia for him. Another guy who inherited his seat in the executive suite, rather than earning it.
It was meant for you & I don't necessarily disagree with anything you wrote. The Giants need an outside voice with no ties to the organization unlike DG, but I'm been banging that drum forever. If it wasn't for Rozelle...Lord knows what the last 42 years would look like.
Being a Mets fan all my life I think I can speak to a certain degree of knowing what the fuck I'm talking about
The Giants and the Mara family are one of the last teams in sports that needs new ownership, its not even close.
You have no idea how good we have it as Giants fans.
Oh, having been a Mets and Giants fan since 1969, I have a pretty good idea how good we do and don't have it.
Excited about Steve Cohen. Meh about the Maras. They're better than the Wilpons, much better than James Dolan (another guy who inherited his money and never did a damned thing on his own). They're not cheap, they mean well, they want to win. They're just in jobs that no one would hire them for except themselves, and it shows.
Turned it from a venerable objective newspaper into the equivalent of a social justice blog
Fired all the senior reporters and hired 25 year old freelancers (I.e. trust fund kids). He has young people with creative writing degrees from Oberlin reporting on the “science” behind covid.
So I would not be particularly worried about his becoming an NFL owner. You have to work with other owners to have influence. Bezos is a guy who will rub the other owners the wrong way, much like Jerrah.
Amazon also has a bad reputation with Gen Z so I don’t see young guys flicking to his standard
Amazon has been a dominant company. Unfortunately they have crushed a lot of small businesses with their tactics along the way. The same tactics won't work in the NFL.
I had an interview with Washington to come in and develop an IT strategy focused on data and analytics... they are a complete mess.. I’m not going to repeat the stories... but I can tell you the giants are years ahead of them. They are in the Stone Age as far as IT.. I was shocked..
I could imagine how good they could be if they actually had the right leadership and processes.
This is funny considering they practice in the data center capital of the world.
Not possible. :)
Seriously, if I'm Snyder, I sell. Bezos will pay a premium for sure.
That's a bad trade for the Giants.
I'm guessing "Washington Amazonians".
But yeah, Bezos owning a NFL team means that team probably becomes the next dynasty based on analytics which would be a decade beyond the rest of the league fairly quickly.
But yeah, Bezos owning a NFL team means that team probably becomes the next dynasty based on analytics which would be a decade beyond the rest of the league fairly quickly.
Riiiiiight. Isn’t that supposed to be happening in Carolina? I expect them winning the super bowl next year.
Somebody get on the artwork of the helmet... stat!
And I want speed lines...~
What reality are you in? It's not like he's muffed the other aspects of his career?
That's a bad trade for the Giants.
However, I don't think the Giants are particularly well-run. Both owners inherited their shares; neither one built the organization or even built the bulk of their fortune, they just won the sperm lottery. Tisch at least has had a successful career in entertainment; the Maras have their seats because of their father and grandfather. It's a family business, and that shows. If the Giants have to compete with Amazon-level ferocity and thinking, we fans are kind of fucked.
You can see it already in MetLife vs. the Cowboys' edifice. Mediocrity vs. relentless drive to excel. The Giants reek of the former.
They were also this year's NFC East Champs. Just saying....
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I'm as frustrated with ownership as the next person, but this organization has won 2 Super Bowls in the past 15 years. The Cowboys haven't even been to a Super Bowl in 25 years. Let's hold off on anointing Stephen Jones as some football savant.
I assume that was meant for me. I didn't mention Stephen Jones and yes, Dallas is perpetually overrated. Stephen Jones also won the sperm lottery, he's another guy who didn't win anything. But his father is still around. Wellington Mara is long gone and the Giants have been mostly mediocre and getting worse. And believe me, as someone who remembers what a clusterfuck the Giants were in the 70s, when Wellington took over for his brother and father, I have no particular nostalgia for him. Another guy who inherited his seat in the executive suite, rather than earning it.
It was meant for you & I don't necessarily disagree with anything you wrote. The Giants need an outside voice with no ties to the organization unlike DG, but I'm been banging that drum forever. If it wasn't for Rozelle...Lord knows what the last 42 years would look like.
One guy became the richest man in the world for a time and orchestrated two of the most dominant industry changing products the world has ever seen, the other is wildly rich but kind of plateaued and is a professional agitator now.
I know who’d I’d rather be running a rival team.
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I'm as frustrated with ownership as the next person, but this organization has won 2 Super Bowls in the past 15 years. The Cowboys haven't even been to a Super Bowl in 25 years. Let's hold off on anointing Stephen Jones as some football savant.
I assume that was meant for me. I didn't mention Stephen Jones and yes, Dallas is perpetually overrated. Stephen Jones also won the sperm lottery, he's another guy who didn't win anything. But his father is still around. Wellington Mara is long gone and the Giants have been mostly mediocre and getting worse. And believe me, as someone who remembers what a clusterfuck the Giants were in the 70s, when Wellington took over for his brother and father, I have no particular nostalgia for him. Another guy who inherited his seat in the executive suite, rather than earning it.
It was meant for you & I don't necessarily disagree with anything you wrote. The Giants need an outside voice with no ties to the organization unlike DG, but I'm been banging that drum forever. If it wasn't for Rozelle...Lord knows what the last 42 years would look like.
Being a Mets fan all my life I think I can speak to a certain degree of knowing what the fuck I'm talking about
The Giants and the Mara family are one of the last teams in sports that needs new ownership, its not even close.
You have no idea how good we have it as Giants fans.
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he'd be worse than Snyder.
Not possible. :)
I could imagine how good they could be if they actually had the right leadership and processes.
I could imagine how good they could be if they actually had the right leadership and processes.
I mean they have 3 GMs right now.
Fired all the senior reporters and hired 25 year old freelancers (I.e. trust fund kids). He has young people with creative writing degrees from Oberlin reporting on the “science” behind covid.
So I would not be particularly worried about his becoming an NFL owner. You have to work with other owners to have influence. Bezos is a guy who will rub the other owners the wrong way, much like Jerrah.
Amazon also has a bad reputation with Gen Z so I don’t see young guys flicking to his standard
I could imagine how good they could be if they actually had the right leadership and processes.
When was this? I heard an interview with their new business side of the house GM and it seems like they updated all that in the past year.
In the time Bezos has owned the Post they’ve become profitable, expanded their newsroom to ~1000 staff, opened a number of international bureaus, and increased digital readership to 3 million.
I suspect you’re confusing how your politics are reported on and “destroyed” — as by all objective measures the Post is doing great under Bezos.
Fired all the senior reporters and hired 25 year old freelancers (I.e. trust fund kids). He has young people with creative writing degrees from Oberlin reporting on the “science” behind covid.
So I would not be particularly worried about his becoming an NFL owner. You have to work with other owners to have influence. Bezos is a guy who will rub the other owners the wrong way, much like Jerrah.
Amazon also has a bad reputation with Gen Z so I don’t see young guys flicking to his standard
WaPo won over 22 different awards in 2020 including AdWeek naming them the hottest in news and social media. They are the leader in digital aspects out of all the Newspapers in the country. I actually stopped counting at 22 awards as evident in the link below because I think the point was made
Link - ( New Window )
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I'm as frustrated with ownership as the next person, but this organization has won 2 Super Bowls in the past 15 years. The Cowboys haven't even been to a Super Bowl in 25 years. Let's hold off on anointing Stephen Jones as some football savant.
I assume that was meant for me. I didn't mention Stephen Jones and yes, Dallas is perpetually overrated. Stephen Jones also won the sperm lottery, he's another guy who didn't win anything. But his father is still around. Wellington Mara is long gone and the Giants have been mostly mediocre and getting worse. And believe me, as someone who remembers what a clusterfuck the Giants were in the 70s, when Wellington took over for his brother and father, I have no particular nostalgia for him. Another guy who inherited his seat in the executive suite, rather than earning it.
It was meant for you & I don't necessarily disagree with anything you wrote. The Giants need an outside voice with no ties to the organization unlike DG, but I'm been banging that drum forever. If it wasn't for Rozelle...Lord knows what the last 42 years would look like.
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I'm as frustrated with ownership as the next person, but this organization has won 2 Super Bowls in the past 15 years. The Cowboys haven't even been to a Super Bowl in 25 years. Let's hold off on anointing Stephen Jones as some football savant.
I assume that was meant for me. I didn't mention Stephen Jones and yes, Dallas is perpetually overrated. Stephen Jones also won the sperm lottery, he's another guy who didn't win anything. But his father is still around. Wellington Mara is long gone and the Giants have been mostly mediocre and getting worse. And believe me, as someone who remembers what a clusterfuck the Giants were in the 70s, when Wellington took over for his brother and father, I have no particular nostalgia for him. Another guy who inherited his seat in the executive suite, rather than earning it.
It was meant for you & I don't necessarily disagree with anything you wrote. The Giants need an outside voice with no ties to the organization unlike DG, but I'm been banging that drum forever. If it wasn't for Rozelle...Lord knows what the last 42 years would look like.
Being a Mets fan all my life I think I can speak to a certain degree of knowing what the fuck I'm talking about
The Giants and the Mara family are one of the last teams in sports that needs new ownership, its not even close.
You have no idea how good we have it as Giants fans.
Excited about Steve Cohen. Meh about the Maras. They're better than the Wilpons, much better than James Dolan (another guy who inherited his money and never did a damned thing on his own). They're not cheap, they mean well, they want to win. They're just in jobs that no one would hire them for except themselves, and it shows.
No, no, no. You make it a play on his name.
The Washington BOZOS
Fired all the senior reporters and hired 25 year old freelancers (I.e. trust fund kids). He has young people with creative writing degrees from Oberlin reporting on the “science” behind covid.
So I would not be particularly worried about his becoming an NFL owner. You have to work with other owners to have influence. Bezos is a guy who will rub the other owners the wrong way, much like Jerrah.
Amazon also has a bad reputation with Gen Z so I don’t see young guys flicking to his standard
Very well put sir
I disagree, he'd be our worst nightmare.
I could imagine how good they could be if they actually had the right leadership and processes.
This is funny considering they practice in the data center capital of the world.