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Daniel Jeremiah’s top 50 prospects, version 2.0

Vin_Cuccs : 2/23/2021 2:16 pm
Some very interesting and surprising rankings. Some useful scouting reports too.

Link below.

If this has been posted, I will gladly delete.
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DJ  
ryanmkeane : 2/23/2021 2:22 pm : link
tends to be higher on skill players than a lot of draft pundits
thanks for posting  
Chip : 2/23/2021 2:24 pm : link
Pitts at number 3. Heres hoping teams reach for the QBs. It will leave us a great player at 11. Definitely not a great draft to trade down. Seems to be a talent drop off after Rousseau.
Rousseau  
Thegratefulhead : 2/23/2021 2:29 pm : link
I would not mind AT ALL. I believe his best football is yet to come. I like him better than Floyd as similar prospect although Floyd was more polished. Upside for Rousseau is as as high as any in the draft. Bust potential is there.
I keep reading that Pitts is an excellent route runner  
eric2425ny : 2/23/2021 2:41 pm : link
and can play TE or WR. So why wouldn’t he want to go into the draft listed as a WR? At least from a financial perspective WR’s generally get paid more as their career moves forward. Remember Jimmy Graham trying to get reclassified as a WR years ago to get the WR franchise tag?
Slater moving up, Sewell moving down  
Victor in CT : 2/23/2021 2:42 pm : link
interesting.
Won't happen  
Everyone Relax : 2/23/2021 2:45 pm : link
but if Sewell somehow fell to around 8 or so you'd have to consider a trade up for him. We would have our bookend OTs for the next 10 years.
I'd be ecstatic with any of Chase, Smith, Waddle, Parsons, or Pitts.
everyone seems to be really high on Pitts  
ryanmkeane : 2/23/2021 2:56 pm : link
...you wonder if he will even be there at 11
RE: everyone seems to be really high on Pitts  
eric2425ny : 2/23/2021 3:11 pm : link
In comment 15159699 ryanmkeane said:
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...you wonder if he will even be there at 11


I bet he’s gone before 11. I have a feeling we will have a chance at Smith or Waddle.
A kid can dream  
ATL_Giants : 2/23/2021 3:28 pm : link
can't he.
RE: I keep reading that Pitts is an excellent route runner  
Zeke's Alibi : 2/23/2021 3:30 pm : link
In comment 15159680 eric2425ny said:
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and can play TE or WR. So why wouldn’t he want to go into the draft listed as a WR? At least from a financial perspective WR’s generally get paid more as their career moves forward. Remember Jimmy Graham trying to get reclassified as a WR years ago to get the WR franchise tag?


He's going to lose that battle in the NFL court. He's primarily a TE. It seems if you take any significant snaps inline, even as a mostly receiving TE, you get classified as TE by the NFL considering how much the position has changed.
Notice he grades Farley top 5  
JonC : 2/23/2021 3:41 pm : link
and Fields at #10, with Rousseau at our #11. Parsons and Surtain in the mix. Still think defense is the better player/pick than WR from this crop.
RE: Notice he grades Farley top 5  
Thegratefulhead : 2/23/2021 3:47 pm : link
In comment 15159758 JonC said:
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and Fields at #10, with Rousseau at our #11. Parsons and Surtain in the mix. Still think defense is the better player/pick than WR from this crop.
I do too. Not sure who said this here, just admitting the following point on dominant is not originally mine. I think we are an ER and a second corner away from being a dominant D. I would make that unit elite. By elite, I mean a unit that can win games.
Good list  
aGiantGuy : 2/23/2021 3:55 pm : link
I went to watch Jamin Davis... to put it kindly, I have no clue how he made the top 50
I started a thread on this back on  
M.S. : 2/23/2021 4:35 pm : link

the 16th.

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Why isn't  
Burt in Alameda : 2/23/2021 5:37 pm : link
D'Wayne Estridge on this list. The WR from Western Michigan was the fastest wideout I saw in college last year (including Smith and Waddle); he is incredibly athletic; and has great hands. The closest player to OBJ I have seen.
RE: I started a thread on this back on  
Vin_Cuccs : 2/23/2021 5:41 pm : link
In comment 15159820 M.S. said:
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Hey M.S.

You posted the mock draft.

This is the prospect rankings list.

I believe this updated list was just published this afternoon.
The Giants should get 2 from this list  
George from PA : 2/23/2021 5:51 pm : link
If they trade down..... probably 3
RE: Slater moving up, Sewell moving down  
bw in dc : 2/23/2021 6:01 pm : link
In comment 15159681 Victor in CT said:
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interesting.


And both sat out in 2020. Slater is the real deal with some interesting versatility along the line. So I think DJ might have this right.

Having three RBs with first round grades is very surprising. Javonte Williams is very underrated. In fact, that entire set of skill players in this draft are underrated - Williams, Brown, Newsome, and Carter.
For UNC...  
bw in dc : 2/23/2021 6:02 pm : link
that is...
Tryon and Onwuzurike jump out.  
81_Great_Dane : 2/23/2021 6:24 pm : link
They're ranked much lower on at least one other site. Like Day 3 for Tryon and Day 2 for Onwuzurke.

Interesting to see Tutu Atwell ranked 36 overall. Colin Lindsay is about on the same page. Other sites have him out of the top 100. Polarizing prospect. Sy liked him for the Giants as their 3rd rounder and first receiver pick.
That Farley rating came as a real surprise.  
cosmicj : 2/23/2021 6:43 pm : link
And when I read Slater’s write up, it makes me think he needs to be seriously considered. The draftniks all seem to think he will be an elite G. Selecting that sort of player at 11 makes a lot of sense. Low risk, elite talent into a unit that’s been a long term problem.
If two top QBs are on the board when the Giants are on the clock,  
81_Great_Dane : 2/23/2021 6:43 pm : link
and the Giants aren't going to take one of those QBs, the Giants have to at least have conversations about a trade down. They could get a haul. But the question is: Enough to justify giving up one of the top 10 players their board?

Ideally trade with someone like the 49ers at 12 or the Patriots at 15. You could get SF to overpay if the Pats are going to jump in front of them.
RE: RE: I started a thread on this back on  
M.S. : 2/23/2021 6:46 pm : link
In comment 15159870 Vin_Cuccs said:
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In comment 15159820 M.S. said:


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Hey M.S.

You posted the mock draft.

This is the prospect rankings list.

I believe this updated list was just published this afternoon.

Sorry for the confusion.
RE: Notice he grades Farley top 5  
Milton : 2/23/2021 7:49 pm : link
In comment 15159758 JonC said:
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and Fields at #10, with Rousseau at our #11.
My six player short list (Chase, Pitts, Sewell, Slater, Farley, and Rousseau) keeps getting chipped away at with now only Rousseau left outside Jeremiah's top ten. I see the trend with other draftniks as well.
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Love a pass rusher or an OT at 11  
David B. : 2/23/2021 7:59 pm : link
Get the WR later.
Some things I noticed  
Breeze_94 : 2/23/2021 9:13 pm : link
Rashod Bateman at 46, Marshall at 40..both right around the range of Giants #2 pick.

Ojulari at 39, no Ossai- both could also be in play in R2 although I think Ojulari makes it into R1

Pitts- starting to think it's time to forget about him unless DG trades up

Sewell at 9 and after Slater- if he makes it to 11, too good to pass up

R1: Coming down to Rousseau, Surtain, Waddle/Smith, Parsons or one of the OL (Slater/Sewell/Verah Tucker)
RE: That Farley rating came as a real surprise.  
bw in dc : 2/23/2021 9:47 pm : link
In comment 15159905 cosmicj said:
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And when I read Slater’s write up, it makes me think he needs to be seriously considered. The draftniks all seem to think he will be an elite G. Selecting that sort of player at 11 makes a lot of sense. Low risk, elite talent into a unit that’s been a long term problem.


Farley is the real deal. I've watched a lot of video. He can play man and off, and both effectively. He closes very well on the ball and looks like a player with the chromosome to create turnovers.
DJ sees Waddle like I see Waddle.  
Jim in Forest Hills : 2/24/2021 11:01 am : link
Impact WR, impact returner. I draft Waddle, I cut Shep, use his money to help sign someone else. Waddle is just a dangerous playmaker with another level of speed.
RE: Won't happen  
Gatorade Dunk : 2/24/2021 12:27 pm : link
In comment 15159686 Everyone Relax said:
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but if Sewell somehow fell to around 8 or so you'd have to consider a trade up for him. We would have our bookend OTs for the next 10 years.
I'd be ecstatic with any of Chase, Smith, Waddle, Parsons, or Pitts.

I highly doubt we're trading up this year.

We're short on draft picks as it is, and don't have enough cap space relative to the FAs we want to keep/acquire to make up the difference through free agency.
The problem with Waddle  
JonC : 2/24/2021 12:39 pm : link
is the lack of size in a huge man's sport.

Highly doubt we trade up, we're already down picks and have a ton of roster upgrades to make.
Jeremiah is above average among the draft pundits  
BelieveJJ : 2/24/2021 12:42 pm : link
but I have a hard time buying the Slater rush up the charts and even less that he'll be drafted before Sewell.

Look at the 2019 AP All American teams: Thomas and Sewell first team, Wills and Wirfs second team, Oregon's Throckmorton and WVU'S McKivitz third team.

Neither Sewell nor Slater PLAYED in 2020, and now Slater grades out above Sewell?

I'd love to know how Slater's agent pulled this off, and I am willing to bet Sewell gets drafted ahead of Slater.

Any takers on that?
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Since Sew?ell and Slater...  
bw in dc : 2/24/2021 12:46 pm : link
were staying at school last year why would DJ look at their film last year
Since Sewell and Slater...  
bw in dc : 2/24/2021 12:47 pm : link
were staying at school last year why would DJ look at their film last year?

He wouldn't. So that's why he dug into the film this year. And concluded Slater was better...
Jeremiah is a good draft pundit, better than many.  
BelieveJJ : 2/24/2021 12:50 pm : link
But I have a hard time following the hype on Slater, and him bypassing Sewell. Both of them SAT OUT the 2020 season.

Look up the 2019 AP All American squads. The NCAA link to the list has 1st, 2nd and 3rd team All Americans listed. Sewell and our own Andrew Thomas made the first team, Wills and Wirfs the second team, and Oregon's Throckmorton and WVU's McKivitz the third team.

No mention of Northwrstern's Slater at all.

I'd love to know how Slater's agent pulled off his meteoric rise upthe charts. I gather PFF grades might be involved?

I am willing to bet Sewell will be drafted before Slater, any takers?




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Whoops, pardon that  
BelieveJJ : 2/24/2021 12:51 pm : link
2X
Sewell should be the first OL off the board  
JonC : 2/24/2021 12:53 pm : link
Cinci should get serious and double their efforts on protecting Burrow moving forward.
RE: Sewell should be the first OL off the board  
BelieveJJ : 2/24/2021 1:05 pm : link
In comment 15160527 JonC said:
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Cinci should get serious and double their efforts on protecting Burrow moving forward.


It will be interesting to read NFL.com's numerical grades on the 2021 prospects when they finally publish them. Sewell may well be the highest graded prospect in the entire draft. I have seen this proposed by several sites/pundits.

Above Lawrence.
I think Lawrence goes #1  
JonC : 2/24/2021 1:11 pm : link
I don't think he's the can't miss generational prospect many like to think he is, but he's #1. Fields is the QB I think could slip a little, especially as the BYU kid is moving up.

Giants need QBs and WRs to go early and push down the talent on defense. Chase and Smith will be gone, I'd go defense over Waddle due to his lack of size and the ankle.
RE: I think Lawrence goes #1  
bw in dc : 2/24/2021 1:15 pm : link
In comment 15160549 JonC said:
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Giants need QBs and WRs to go early and push down the talent on defense. Chase and Smith will be gone, I'd go defense over Waddle due to his lack of size and the ankle.


I think that's very likely. I expect 4 QBs and 3 WRs to go by the 11th pick.
RE: RE: I think Lawrence goes #1  
JonC : 2/24/2021 1:47 pm : link
In comment 15160556 bw in dc said:
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In comment 15160549 JonC said:


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Giants need QBs and WRs to go early and push down the talent on defense. Chase and Smith will be gone, I'd go defense over Waddle due to his lack of size and the ankle.



I think that's very likely. I expect 4 QBs and 3 WRs to go by the 11th pick.


Think it's quite possible, wildcards being the upside of Lance and Waddle's size/ankle questions.
Don't forget about Pitts, too...  
bw in dc : 2/24/2021 1:56 pm : link
Not sure if you are accounting for him, but he could eat up a spot in the top ten.
RE: Sewell should be the first OL off the board  
Thegratefulhead : 2/24/2021 2:32 pm : link
In comment 15160527 JonC said:
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Cinci should get serious and double their efforts on protecting Burrow moving forward.
I think Cinci goes Chase.
RE: I think Lawrence goes #1  
Victor in CT : 2/24/2021 3:49 pm : link
In comment 15160549 JonC said:
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I don't think he's the can't miss generational prospect many like to think he is, but he's #1. Fields is the QB I think could slip a little, especially as the BYU kid is moving up.

Giants need QBs and WRs to go early and push down the talent on defense. Chase and Smith will be gone, I'd go defense over Waddle due to his lack of size and the ankle.


agreed
RE: RE: Sewell should be the first OL off the board  
JonC : 2/24/2021 3:51 pm : link
In comment 15160658 Thegratefulhead said:
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In comment 15160527 JonC said:


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Cinci should get serious and double their efforts on protecting Burrow moving forward.

I think Cinci goes Chase.


I would too.
I'm really wary of taking guys like Pitts that high. To me he's a  
Victor in CT : 2/24/2021 3:57 pm : link
classic Reese pick. You don't really know what he is, and his reviews sound eerily similar to Engram's.

To wit:

"During the grading process, I thought there was a legit shot Engram would finish atop this list. He was close and to be honest, these two may be back to back on the overall big board. If Njoku is gone and Engram ends up being the pick, I wouldn’t be disappointed one bit. Engram is essentially a top tier speed WR that weighs 234 pounds. While he is a notch or two below as a blocker from most of these guys, he still got the job done in the SEC against linebackers consistently. In terms of what his role would be long term, think of how the Redskins use Jordan Reed. He has that kind of ability, if not more." - Sy56

My opinion on these guys is that it's easy to be a "weapon" without a real position in college, not so much in the NFL. Unless he's going to a stacked offense where others need to be accounted for first. Which clearly does not describe the Giants.
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