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| Bobby Skinner @BobbySkinner_ Daniel Jones 2020 deep passing thread 20+ air yards from LOS 20/40 50% 652 yards 16.3 Y/A 6 TD 0 INT 2020 rankings First: Deshaun Watson 52% Last: Dwayne Haskins 13% Every number was better than 2019 besides his 10 TD number in 19 but he also threw 1.22 less attempts per game |
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I can't recall seeing any "professional" opinion that concludes there is no way, have to replace him asap...
I can't recall seeing any "professional" opinion that concludes there is no way, have to replace him asap...
Just the professional experts here on BBI
I can't recall seeing any "professional" opinion that concludes there is no way, have to replace him asap...
There is a big difference between can and is likely to. He has a lot he needs to improve on, its not just better pieces around him, though that is part of it too. Most analysts still say that Darnold can be the guy, but the likelihood of that decreases as the years go by. We don't want to be in a situation with Jones like the Jets have in Darnold at the end of this year.
Jury is still out.
where does the most promise lay?
He had no real help on Offense this year either.
Give the guy some tools and let's see what he can do -- he is on the right path
where does the most promise lay?
He had no real help on Offense this year either.
Give the guy some tools and let's see what he can do -- he is on the right path
My thoughts exactly!
There is a big difference between can and is likely to. He has a lot he needs to improve on, its not just better pieces around him, though that is part of it too. Most analysts still say that Darnold can be the guy, but the likelihood of that decreases as the years go by. We don't want to be in a situation with Jones like the Jets have in Darnold at the end of this year.
Why do the chances go down with time? You would think that the more he plays, the better he gets. If he has the ability, he should get better - with the right coaches and a decent offensive line.
You might as well try and turn him into Daryl "the Mad Bomber" Lamonica since he ain't getting it done otherwise.
where does the most promise lay?
He had no real help on Offense this year either.
Give the guy some tools and let's see what he can do -- he is on the right path
where does the most promise lay?
He had no real help on Offense this year either.
Give the guy some tools and let's see what he can do -- he is on the right path
This post is not true.
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You might as well try and turn him into Daryl "the Mad Bomber" Lamonica since he ain't getting it done otherwise.
Do you just make up crap as you go along?
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must have been really dismal since he threw a whole 5 td passes on his other 400 attempts.
You might as well try and turn him into Daryl "the Mad Bomber" Lamonica since he ain't getting it done otherwise.
Do you just make up crap as you go along?
Is that made up, though?
I posted Jones's reference page above.
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must have been really dismal since he threw a whole 5 td passes on his other 400 attempts.
You might as well try and turn him into Daryl "the Mad Bomber" Lamonica since he ain't getting it done otherwise.
Do you just make up crap as you go along?
Is that made up, though?
I posted Jones's reference page above.
Tired of the drum beat of negativity on Jones. HJ just pulls shit out of the air. You cannot reference 2020 without reference to 2019.
If they get Jones some decent weapons and a semi-functional oline and he fails this year I will join you. I almost did after Tampa this year, but that seemed to be a turning point on turnover issues. I think it finally sunk in after(during actually) that game that he needed to stop being reckless with the ball. Can he continue? IDK.
There is no QB in this draft I would take over Jones except Lawrence and frankly he seems to have regressed from his freshman year - that could be the team and COVID last year. Wilson? IDK...the rest no way.
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must have been really dismal since he threw a whole 5 td passes on his other 400 attempts.
You might as well try and turn him into Daryl "the Mad Bomber" Lamonica since he ain't getting it done otherwise.
Do you just make up crap as you go along?
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must have been really dismal since he threw a whole 5 td passes on his other 400 attempts.
You might as well try and turn him into Daryl "the Mad Bomber" Lamonica since he ain't getting it done otherwise.
Do you just make up crap as you go along?
Is that made up, though?
I posted Jones's reference page above.
Tired of the drum beat of negativity on Jones. HJ just pulls shit out of the air. You cannot reference 2020 without reference to 2019.
If they get Jones some decent weapons and a semi-functional oline and he fails this year I will join you. I almost did after Tampa this year, but that seemed to be a turning point on turnover issues. I think it finally sunk in after(during actually) that game that he needed to stop being reckless with the ball. Can he continue? IDK.
There is no QB in this draft I would take over Jones except Lawrence and frankly he seems to have regressed from his freshman year - that could be the team and COVID last year. Wilson? IDK...the rest no way.
You want to talk about 2019? There were warning signs. Jones ran up some numbers in three games against bad defenses. 13 td and 0 picks against the following titans: Detroit, Jets, and Washington. He was 11 td and 12 picks against everyone else. Statistically, 2019 an 2020 were very close in Yards, completion percentage, y/a, yards per game, etc. etc. The difference in 2020 is no big games against the patsies.
2021 is a big year for Jones.
You want to talk about 2019? There were warning signs. Jones ran up some numbers in three games against bad defenses. 13 td and 0 picks against the following titans: Detroit, Jets, and Washington. He was 11 td and 12 picks against everyone else. Statistically, 2019 an 2020 were very close in Yards, completion percentage, y/a, yards per game, etc. etc. The difference in 2020 is no big games against the patsies.
2021 is a big year for Jones.
There are a lot of different viewpoints and opinions on Daniel Jones right now. But the above is a very fair take and a concern.
Before posters try to shoot this down by saying all good QBs run up their stats against weaker teams, the bigger point is truly good QBs have to perform well against good competition too.
Famous last words. Not sure why anyone would be so confident of that. It's a year to year league. Only the very best teams are that consistent.
The numbers say he has been bad. End of story. Maybe he turns it around but that is an article of faith, not a view based in real data.
Someone above said he is accurate. No he is not. The numbers say he is well below average in accuracy and there are at least two games that were lost directly due to his accuracy issues, throwing to the wrong side of the receiver on an easy play.
Section125 asked above why would time passing diminish his ability to turn it around. It is simple, the longer it takes for him to emerge as a star the lower his chances become of becoming a star. That is a rock solid statistical law of sports. Jones is not a star after his second year. Odds are now against him, deeply against him, emerging as a star. Maybe he will, but likely he won't.
Another person said he wouldn't take any of the rookie QBs other than TL over Jones. Hilarious. TL, ZW, TL and JF are all better prospects at this stage than Jones. You could not trade Jones for any of the picks it will take to get one of those guys. You cannot get a top 10 pick for Jones. Forget it. It wouldn't happen.
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on BBI about negative views of Jones' performance is amusing.
Why on every thread about Jones do certain posters feel the need to come in and post negative takes? Why do they have to refute what Skinner says by linking to a pro-football-reference page?
These are the types of actions that raise questions on the motivations behind the posts.
Why does positive information about Jones trigger certain posters to feel the need to refute it?
That's really the more salient question to pose.
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the amount of whining by grown men
Producer : 10:16 am : link : reply
on BBI about negative views of Jones' performance is amusing.
Why on every thread about Jones do certain posters feel the need to come in and post negative takes? Why do they have to refute what Skinner says by linking to a pro-football-reference page?
These are the types of actions that raise questions on the motivations behind the posts.
Why does positive information about Jones trigger certain posters to feel the need to refute it?
That's really the more salient question to pose.
Perhaps people post their opinions to the contrary because they disagree and this is a forum for the free exchange of ideas.
I am highly curious about what *questions on the motivations behind the posts* are raised in your mind. Please regale us about your theories about our possible motivations.
My recollection is Eli's deep passing numbers would bounce around a lot year to year, but I don't recall for sure.
With that said, I think Jones throws a better ball downfield than he does on short/intermediate routes. I think he sort of sails some of the throws to the sidelines on the short routes sometimes.
I'm hoping we have a more aggressive offense in 2021.
What I am not sold on is Jones' recognition skills when these passes are more available to the Offense and he isn't "seeing the field" quick enough, both pre and post-snap.
Point in case was that Tampa Bay game this past season when he left a bunch of deep plays out there in that losing effort.
Why does positive information about Jones trigger certain posters to feel the need to refute it?
Well, too often the "positive info" is wrong. So it's appropriate to correct it.
In this thread, for example, gidiefor made comments that were just baseless. Which led to challenges.
Another person said he wouldn't take any of the rookie QBs other than TL over Jones. Hilarious. TL, ZW, TL and JF are all better prospects at this stage than Jones. You could not trade Jones for any of the picks it will take to get one of those guys. You cannot get a top 10 pick for Jones. Forget it. It wouldn't happen.
That is definitely the "Kipper Effect". Once Kiper made his declaration last week that DJ was the best QB prospect outside of TL in this draft posters had the cover they needed...And most very likely NEVER saw any of these college prospects play. Which is classic BBI, btw.
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Another person said he wouldn't take any of the rookie QBs other than TL over Jones. Hilarious. TL, ZW, TL and JF are all better prospects at this stage than Jones. You could not trade Jones for any of the picks it will take to get one of those guys. You cannot get a top 10 pick for Jones. Forget it. It wouldn't happen.
That is definitely the "Kipper Effect". Once Kiper made his declaration last week that DJ was the best QB prospect outside of TL in this draft posters had the cover they needed...And most very likely NEVER saw any of these college prospects play. Which is classic BBI, btw.
I'd personally take Lawrence and Wilson, and think hard about Fields (but I'm not sure). No way on Lance over Jones
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the amount of whining by grown men
Producer : 10:16 am : link : reply
on BBI about negative views of Jones' performance is amusing.
Why on every thread about Jones do certain posters feel the need to come in and post negative takes? Why do they have to refute what Skinner says by linking to a pro-football-reference page?
These are the types of actions that raise questions on the motivations behind the posts.
Why does positive information about Jones trigger certain posters to feel the need to refute it?
That's really the more salient question to pose.
I can't argue with the people that think Jones is going to the shit any more than the people that think Jones will never be good. There is reasonable evidence both ways. I expect a lot of disagreement on Jones in our future. Make peace with it.
It went on for the entire careers of Simms and Eli. Why would it be any different for Jones?
I'd personally take Lawrence and Wilson, and think hard about Fields (but I'm not sure). No way on Lance over Jones
Here is the thing on Fields. Some question his decision making - fair enough. But we do the same thing with Jones. Jones has struggled with reads to the point, IMV, where it's a real concern.
But Fields is more gifted than Jones in every physical category except height. I really don't know how anyone can conclude Fields doesn't have more upside than Jones.
Lawrence probably needs another year. But have you watched any video or games? He's physically the real deal. And another prospect in this class much more gifted than Jones.
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Another person said he wouldn't take any of the rookie QBs other than TL over Jones. Hilarious. TL, ZW, TL and JF are all better prospects at this stage than Jones. You could not trade Jones for any of the picks it will take to get one of those guys. You cannot get a top 10 pick for Jones. Forget it. It wouldn't happen.
That is definitely the "Kipper Effect". Once Kiper made his declaration last week that DJ was the best QB prospect outside of TL in this draft posters had the cover they needed...And most very likely NEVER saw any of these college prospects play. Which is classic BBI, btw.
Usually the second a draftnik says something that agrees with a person's pre-existing opinion, they run to tout that as proof of concept.
Even though BBI hasn't had much use whatsoever for Mel Kiper's opinions over the years.
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Cosell expressed a similar concern about Fields. He prefers Lance to Fields.
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Another person said he wouldn't take any of the rookie QBs other than TL over Jones. Hilarious. TL, ZW, TL and JF are all better prospects at this stage than Jones. You could not trade Jones for any of the picks it will take to get one of those guys. You cannot get a top 10 pick for Jones. Forget it. It wouldn't happen.
That is definitely the "Kipper Effect". Once Kiper made his declaration last week that DJ was the best QB prospect outside of TL in this draft posters had the cover they needed...And most very likely NEVER saw any of these college prospects play. Which is classic BBI, btw.
I'd personally take Lawrence and Wilson, and think hard about Fields (but I'm not sure). No way on Lance over Jones
Greg Cosell has gushed over Lance's athletic traits. Power arm, elite runner. You may feel quite differently when you see him in action on an NFL field.
That's tough to interpret though. On a team like Ohio State, it could very well be that his #1 WR was so good that he didn't have to go through his progressions.
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first read quickly, that may be a bigger issue with Fields. Tony Pasuline qouted an NFL tema that broke down 200 of Fields' passes and found that he did not go to his primary target on only 7. Link - ( New Window )
That's tough to interpret though. On a team like Ohio State, it could very well be that his #1 WR was so good that he didn't have to go through his progressions.
That's true, but if you have not had through your progressions for your most of your college career, it might not be a skill that you can easily pick up
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and Jones is improving in every statiscal area but TDs
where does the most promise lay?
He had no real help on Offense this year either.
Give the guy some tools and let's see what he can do -- he is on the right path
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what not true -- Darnold is not regressing?
Jones isn't improving in the majority of statistical areas?
I don't play fantasy football so I'm sure what you're talking about.
That's why I posted the reference page. I can see why you don't play fantasy football - it can sometimes involve math.
And to FMIC's question - the salient question is why do people have to make things up to make Jones seem like a better player than he's been? Why feel the need?
That number sounds way too low. 97% of the time Fields went first option? NFW. I'm calling fake news.
That's why I posted the reference page. I can see why you don't play fantasy football - it can sometimes involve math.
And to FMIC's question - the salient question is why do people have to make things up to make Jones seem like a better player than he's been? Why feel the need?
you know -- I am not making any thing up here -- this is a repost of a Bobby Skinner series of posts that is quite impressive -- maybe it doesn't fit your narrative but I find it promising. Go back to your math book
My recollection is Eli's deep passing numbers would bounce around a lot year to year, but I don't recall for sure.
With that said, I think Jones throws a better ball downfield than he does on short/intermediate routes. I think he sort of sails some of the throws to the sidelines on the short routes sometimes.
I'm hoping we have a more aggressive offense in 2021.
Good post, I think deep passing numbers tend to be up and down for most QBs just due to the small sample size. I also agree with you about Jones throwing a better deep ball than intermediate ball.
IMO, my favorite skill that Jones has is his touch. I think he just naturally has good touch on his throws which is important for downfield passes. I think his power/accuracy in the intermediate range is pretty mediocre at this point in his career.
Guys like Philip Rivers and Drew Brees were great downfield passers and all-around passers in their prime due to their elite touch and accuracy, even if they lacked big arms. Hopefully Jones can figure it out and get close to that level.