pick a vet who's a free agent in 4 months - could be anyone. Give Randle/Obi 10-15 mins as your only bigs and see if the drop-off on defense is worth the boost you get on offense.
I hope Rose takes the long view and sells off some spare parts at the deadline, but I'll believe it when I see it.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Honestly I'd rather take a flyer on Cousins right now
It would cost us nothing in terms of assets or even much cap space. We could use his low post presence on offense for 15-20 minutes a night. Even when Mitch is healthy our bigs present no offensive threat except rolling to the hoop for a dunk. Collectively they probably have the worst hands in the NBA.
I admittedly haven't watched much of the Rockets this year but Cousins shot 37% from the field so far this year. That's pretty awful to say the least.
Houston is a mess right now. No spacing. Wall has been ok, but he looks for his shot more than anything else. Oladipo's %'s have plummeted there compared to Indiana. Why not take a flyer on Cousins? He can definitely score in the low post.
He cant move and has been a siv on defense, his body has really broken down, he is going for maybe 15 minutes a night
Its worse than that, he is averaging like 10 pts and hes been getting 20 mins per game....that was according to Hahn last night.
Drummond instantly gives us a secondary scorer. I dunno if you guys were watching last night, but unless it was Randle or Payton, none of our starters were scoring. We are at the bottom of the league on offense and that is largely because we rely so heavily on our perimeter game while we are limited on shooters.
pick a vet who's a free agent in 4 months - could be anyone. Give Randle/Obi 10-15 mins as your only bigs and see if the drop-off on defense is worth the boost you get on offense.
I hope Rose takes the long view and sells off some spare parts at the deadline, but I'll believe it when I see it.
they are not selling off we both know that, rose and Thibs are going to try and make the playoffs and then build with their cap space and 5 1sts in 3 yesrs
Lets look at it assuming we dont work out a reasonable extension with Drummond and he IS just a rental. I would gladly take a double double machine who can help us make a playoff push more exciting for a player who never plays and a 2nd roumder. You combine that with maybe coupling him with Randle going forward (for less than what he got before) and fuck yes I make that deal.
Anyone else stream the games on GamePass and find it very blurry?
that others addressed, I know it's not the end of the world. He's in a bit of slump so Thibs is looking elsewhere, no big deal. My only issue is that Quickley needs to score almost a point per minute to maintain his 20-25 minutes of playing time, and barely gets 10 minutes if he doesn't light it up instantly. That's asking a lot of any player. I wonder if we'd get a more consistent, confident player if he knew his 25 minutes were locked in like RJ, Burks, Bullock, Payton, Rose, etc. I'm bracing myself for an Austin Rivers cameo if IQ doesn't snap out of it soon.
RE: RE: I can't imagine a more polar opposite to what they need than Drummond
He wouldn't hurt that's for sure. And like NY16 said, it allows you to trade Mitch.
I also dont understand the original comment by TTH, no offense. We are completely bereft of scoring in the low post. Adding him doesnt necessarily mean we are moving on from Mitch, it also means we dont have to keep playing Randle as much as we do. If we have the cap room and the price is low in terms of players and picks, why the hell not?
that others addressed, I know it's not the end of the world. He's in a bit of slump so Thibs is looking elsewhere, no big deal. My only issue is that Quickley needs to score almost a point per minute to maintain his 20-25 minutes of playing time, and barely gets 10 minutes if he doesn't light it up instantly. That's asking a lot of any player. I wonder if we'd get a more consistent, confident player if he knew his 25 minutes were locked in like RJ, Burks, Bullock, Payton, Rose, etc. I'm bracing myself for an Austin Rivers cameo if IQ doesn't snap out of it soon.
Well Quickley is going to get more minutes tomorrow, Payton is doubtful
Irving pushing on Instagram to change the NBA logo from West to Kobe. I don't mean to speak ill of the dead, but come on...we just can't turn a blind eye to Golden, CO. If you're going to change the logo to 'black kings', do Kareem, Magic, MJ, or whoever.
Irving pushing on Instagram to change the NBA logo from West to Kobe. I don't mean to speak ill of the dead, but come on...we just can't turn a blind eye to Golden, CO. If you're going to change the logo to 'black kings', do Kareem, Magic, MJ, or whoever.
i would be ok if they did an alternate logo on their alternate jerseys or on the all star jerseys..
RE: RE: RE: I can't imagine a more polar opposite to what they need than Drummond
He wouldn't hurt that's for sure. And like NY16 said, it allows you to trade Mitch.
I also dont understand the original comment by TTH, no offense. We are completely bereft of scoring in the low post. Adding him doesnt necessarily mean we are moving on from Mitch, it also means we dont have to keep playing Randle as much as we do. If we have the cap room and the price is low in terms of players and picks, why the hell not?
It's completely the opposite of what this coach wants to do. He's not going to sacrifice defense for scoring to that extreme. The whole defensive philosophy is shut down the paint and make teams shoot from range.
From Dallas. Only in his third year, a pretty good shooter and good court vision. I’d happily give up Payton, Frank, Rivers and the Detroit 2nd round pick for Brunson.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I can't imagine a more polar opposite to what they need than Drummond
He wouldn't hurt that's for sure. And like NY16 said, it allows you to trade Mitch.
I also dont understand the original comment by TTH, no offense. We are completely bereft of scoring in the low post. Adding him doesnt necessarily mean we are moving on from Mitch, it also means we dont have to keep playing Randle as much as we do. If we have the cap room and the price is low in terms of players and picks, why the hell not?
It's completely the opposite of what this coach wants to do. He's not going to sacrifice defense for scoring to that extreme. The whole defensive philosophy is shut down the paint and make teams shoot from range.
The Knicks are terrific on defense. They are also dead last in points. Again, did you watch Orlando and last night? The Knicks have NOBODY who can score in the paint at a respectable clip. Drummond doesnt have to be Mitch on defense. Mitch is coming back and I can see Mitch at the 5 with Drummond at the 4. Or Taj at the 4 with Drummond at the 5. Point is, I doubt Randle can maintain this clip of minutes. Plus the Cavs are just GIVING away a 17 and 11 guy.
Also doesnt work when you have perimeter defenders who dont understand when to help and when not to leading to open 3s when we cant shoot them. Making the Drummond trade at least mitigates that scoring discrepancy, will be a lot more sure handed on boards and its basically a try out.
The only way I dont like trading for him isis if there is legit smoke building towards nabbing Beal.
Looking to Drummond for "scoring" in the modern NBA seems like a
bad idea. He's an overrated rim protector, I think. Very limited offensive game. Elite rebounder. We won't re-sign him. He's not gonna make a difference in a playoff series.
Unless the Knicks get assets to take that contract, I have no interest.
Also doesnt work when you have perimeter defenders who dont understand when to help and when not to leading to open 3s when we cant shoot them. Making the Drummond trade at least mitigates that scoring discrepancy, will be a lot more sure handed on boards and its basically a try out.
The only way I dont like trading for him isis if there is legit smoke building towards nabbing Beal.
I'm not qualified to speak on whether it works or doesnt. I'm simply stating it's how Thibs runs his defense. And I think reinforced concrete is more flexible than Thibs.
Ainge was trying to trade Kemba earlier this year...but everyone knows he's hurt. If he's diminished going forward, that's a huge drag on their team. Very hard to compete with a max salary guy on the books who's not contributing. Sorta like what happened here with Amare.
Ainge was trying to trade Kemba earlier this year...but everyone knows he's hurt. If he's diminished going forward, that's a huge drag on their team. Very hard to compete with a max salary guy on the books who's not contributing. Sorta like what happened here with Amare.
Not only that but they have a hard cap which makes maneuvering even harder for them
Kemba, Brown & Tatum with huge deals and still have others making big money. We have no guaranteed money and we can’t sign three to save our lives. NBA either needs a hard cap or a luxury tax so we can spend and be equal to other teams salaries.
Kemba, Brown & Tatum with huge deals and still have others making big money. We have no guaranteed money and we can’t sign three to save our lives. NBA either needs a hard cap or a luxury tax so we can spend and be equal to other teams salaries.
were god awful. NO, WAS, and ORL are top 10 in salaries with records worses then the knicks. This isnt like MLB where you can go over the cap to sign whoever you want.
Have 3 players which they didn’t draft making more than the CAP all be themselves and the team is over by $55m I’m just saying it’s crazy. Penalize a team for poor drafting but at least let them put out a product which is equal.
Have 3 players which they didn’t draft making more than the CAP all be themselves and the team is over by $55m I’m just saying it’s crazy. Penalize a team for poor drafting but at least let them put out a product which is equal.
They are over because they traded their drafted players they paid, and went over the cap to resign Harris because they had his bird rights..
But when 27 out of 30 are over the 109m and some teams double the Knicks in salaries it’s tough to compete. (When we don’t know how to draft).
If the Knicks traded for a super star right now and that star made max, and then they signed another super star in the offseason or next, they'd be able to re-sign Randle and go over the cap.
The Knicks are about to enter the same territory of these super maxed out teams, but they have to get their first. That's why I want to see what the KNicks do AFTER a deal that sees them possibly overpay too many assets to get that first (2nd with Randle) big time star.
Even if they gave up 5 huge pieces for a guy like Beal or Booker, if they then were able to sign another worthy max, and re-sign randle, theydd have a super 3. That's pretty much the end all be all goal of every NBA team. Some people were laughing at the Nets, which still cracks me up, when they added the beard and oh there's going to be all this drama and my friend actually called them a dumpster fire in waiting...yeah..ok...wake me up after they make the semi-finals in their sleep, for the next 3-4 years straight and quite possibly win it all and more than once.
The Knicks are right there on the cusp of fielding a team like this, but they have to get it right. Timing is everything.
not sure I agree the Nets will have that much success for that long, but as to the Knicks I think you have laid out the game plan for the next couple of years.
not sure I agree the Nets will have that much success for that long, but as to the Knicks I think you have laid out the game plan for the next couple of years.
Yea that's fair. Nets are a bit weird or tough to project with any certainty, especially with looney Kyrie and Durant's injury status, but man, i'd love to see the Knicks look that weird.
I don't even like or hate the Nets and I have to watch them every night.
Knicks have a puncher's chance of getting to a level like the Nets, with some variance of course, but they have a shot. I pray they nail the next 12 months or so. I don't even know what players will be available, FA looks meh, but usually guys spring free.
I think the key move is the next one. The next trade, if and when really needs to be the right one. Booker is awesome but the Suns are good. Why would they let him go..
I hope Rose takes the long view and sells off some spare parts at the deadline, but I'll believe it when I see it.
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It would cost us nothing in terms of assets or even much cap space. We could use his low post presence on offense for 15-20 minutes a night. Even when Mitch is healthy our bigs present no offensive threat except rolling to the hoop for a dunk. Collectively they probably have the worst hands in the NBA.
I admittedly haven't watched much of the Rockets this year but Cousins shot 37% from the field so far this year. That's pretty awful to say the least.
Houston is a mess right now. No spacing. Wall has been ok, but he looks for his shot more than anything else. Oladipo's %'s have plummeted there compared to Indiana. Why not take a flyer on Cousins? He can definitely score in the low post.
He cant move and has been a siv on defense, his body has really broken down, he is going for maybe 15 minutes a night
Its worse than that, he is averaging like 10 pts and hes been getting 20 mins per game....that was according to Hahn last night.
Drummond instantly gives us a secondary scorer. I dunno if you guys were watching last night, but unless it was Randle or Payton, none of our starters were scoring. We are at the bottom of the league on offense and that is largely because we rely so heavily on our perimeter game while we are limited on shooters.
I hope Rose takes the long view and sells off some spare parts at the deadline, but I'll believe it when I see it.
they are not selling off we both know that, rose and Thibs are going to try and make the playoffs and then build with their cap space and 5 1sts in 3 yesrs
He wouldn't hurt that's for sure. And like NY16 said, it allows you to trade Mitch.
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He wouldn't hurt that's for sure. And like NY16 said, it allows you to trade Mitch.
I also dont understand the original comment by TTH, no offense. We are completely bereft of scoring in the low post. Adding him doesnt necessarily mean we are moving on from Mitch, it also means we dont have to keep playing Randle as much as we do. If we have the cap room and the price is low in terms of players and picks, why the hell not?
Well Quickley is going to get more minutes tomorrow, Payton is doubtful
Both Mavs games nationally televised.
i would be ok if they did an alternate logo on their alternate jerseys or on the all star jerseys..
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He wouldn't hurt that's for sure. And like NY16 said, it allows you to trade Mitch.
I also dont understand the original comment by TTH, no offense. We are completely bereft of scoring in the low post. Adding him doesnt necessarily mean we are moving on from Mitch, it also means we dont have to keep playing Randle as much as we do. If we have the cap room and the price is low in terms of players and picks, why the hell not?
It's completely the opposite of what this coach wants to do. He's not going to sacrifice defense for scoring to that extreme. The whole defensive philosophy is shut down the paint and make teams shoot from range.
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He wouldn't hurt that's for sure. And like NY16 said, it allows you to trade Mitch.
I also dont understand the original comment by TTH, no offense. We are completely bereft of scoring in the low post. Adding him doesnt necessarily mean we are moving on from Mitch, it also means we dont have to keep playing Randle as much as we do. If we have the cap room and the price is low in terms of players and picks, why the hell not?
It's completely the opposite of what this coach wants to do. He's not going to sacrifice defense for scoring to that extreme. The whole defensive philosophy is shut down the paint and make teams shoot from range.
The Knicks are terrific on defense. They are also dead last in points. Again, did you watch Orlando and last night? The Knicks have NOBODY who can score in the paint at a respectable clip. Drummond doesnt have to be Mitch on defense. Mitch is coming back and I can see Mitch at the 5 with Drummond at the 4. Or Taj at the 4 with Drummond at the 5. Point is, I doubt Randle can maintain this clip of minutes. Plus the Cavs are just GIVING away a 17 and 11 guy.
The only way I dont like trading for him isis if there is legit smoke building towards nabbing Beal.
Unless the Knicks get assets to take that contract, I have no interest.
The only way I dont like trading for him isis if there is legit smoke building towards nabbing Beal.
I'm not qualified to speak on whether it works or doesnt. I'm simply stating it's how Thibs runs his defense. And I think reinforced concrete is more flexible than Thibs.
Cs are in complete free fall.
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Cs are in complete free fall.
Its amazing how quick things can change in the NBA. But Ainge deserves some blame for the past few years of personnel decisions.
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Cs are in complete free fall.
Its amazing how quick things can change in the NBA. But Ainge deserves some blame for the past few years of personnel decisions.
With Kemba struggling, that team is tatum and Brown and a bunch of jags..
I believe ainge turned down a pretty good deal for hayward and then lost him for nothing
Not only that but they have a hard cap which makes maneuvering even harder for them
there are hard caps, Celtics have a hard cap..
Because they resigned their own drafted players
When the Knicks have 2 star players and are using a bunch of exceptions to sign players they will be well over the cap..
If the Knicks were over the cap this year we would all be pissed
They are over because they traded their drafted players they paid, and went over the cap to resign Harris because they had his bird rights..
cap manipulation happens in every single sport..
why cant they use their cap space this year?
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that's a shame. I am shocked though.
If the Knicks traded for a super star right now and that star made max, and then they signed another super star in the offseason or next, they'd be able to re-sign Randle and go over the cap.
The Knicks are about to enter the same territory of these super maxed out teams, but they have to get their first. That's why I want to see what the KNicks do AFTER a deal that sees them possibly overpay too many assets to get that first (2nd with Randle) big time star.
Even if they gave up 5 huge pieces for a guy like Beal or Booker, if they then were able to sign another worthy max, and re-sign randle, theydd have a super 3. That's pretty much the end all be all goal of every NBA team. Some people were laughing at the Nets, which still cracks me up, when they added the beard and oh there's going to be all this drama and my friend actually called them a dumpster fire in waiting...yeah..ok...wake me up after they make the semi-finals in their sleep, for the next 3-4 years straight and quite possibly win it all and more than once.
The Knicks are right there on the cusp of fielding a team like this, but they have to get it right. Timing is everything.
not sure I agree the Nets will have that much success for that long, but as to the Knicks I think you have laid out the game plan for the next couple of years.
not sure I agree the Nets will have that much success for that long, but as to the Knicks I think you have laid out the game plan for the next couple of years.
Yea that's fair. Nets are a bit weird or tough to project with any certainty, especially with looney Kyrie and Durant's injury status, but man, i'd love to see the Knicks look that weird.
I don't even like or hate the Nets and I have to watch them every night.
Knicks have a puncher's chance of getting to a level like the Nets, with some variance of course, but they have a shot. I pray they nail the next 12 months or so. I don't even know what players will be available, FA looks meh, but usually guys spring free.
I think the key move is the next one. The next trade, if and when really needs to be the right one. Booker is awesome but the Suns are good. Why would they let him go..
lol that would be so knicksy. YAY we are awesome and no more NBA bye bye...thx for watching.