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Anakim : 2/23/2021 6:19 pm
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Dallas up one on Boston - 1:23 left.  
bceagle05 : 2/23/2021 10:03 pm : link
Game’s on TNT.
Awful, sloppy game  
Anakim : 2/23/2021 10:03 pm : link
This was a game for RJ to forget. The refs absolutely fucked us.
25/10/7  
adamg : 2/23/2021 10:04 pm : link
Great game by Randle.

Need better shooting if we're going to win.
Unguys are making fun of me  
GMEN46 : 2/23/2021 10:06 pm : link
About frank, but why not play frank over bullock? What are we getting out of bullock? What’s the point of playing him he does nothing for this team. We aren’t winning a championship thisbyear. Thibs refuses to send frank to d league and says he likes frank here, why not just make the switch.
RE: 25/10/7  
nygiants16 : 2/23/2021 10:06 pm : link
In comment 15160149 adamg said:
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Great game by Randle.

Need better shooting if we're going to win.


Now imagine if he was surrounded by shooters
RE: This game really showed how limited the Knicks  
Del Shofner : 2/23/2021 10:07 pm : link
In comment 15160146 mfsd said:
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still are without another elite scoring threat. It’s fun to see them play hard and be able to compete almost every night, but outside of Randle that was some pathetic offense in the 2nd half


Agree. We're not going to get another Curry but we need a serious 3 point shooter. We also need Mitch back IMO. Noel and Taj - I don't dislike them as players but they are both backups, not starters.
Refs swallowed their whistle when the Knicks went to the hoop  
nygiants16 : 2/23/2021 10:09 pm : link
and as soon as it got ubder 2 minutes and Knicks played physical defense they decided to call 2 ticky tack calls...The oubre play was a terrible call he was going nowhere and the refs bailed him out...

Aaaand Luka nails a game winner  
bceagle05 : 2/23/2021 10:10 pm : link
to secure the Mavs’ 80th home game of the season.

What a brutal fucking night all around.
Luka just sealed it  
adamg : 2/23/2021 10:11 pm : link
fucking eh
RE: Aaaand Luka nails a game winner  
nygiants16 : 2/23/2021 10:12 pm : link
In comment 15160154 bceagle05 said:
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to secure the Mavs’ 80th home game of the season.

What a brutal fucking night all around.


Maybe we will get a KP trade to cheer us up
Looks more and more like we're not going to wind up with a top-3 pick  
Anakim : 2/23/2021 10:14 pm : link
and a chance to take our PG of the future in Cunningham or Suggs.


Who's the 3rd best PG? Cooper from Auburn? Daishen Nix?
Quickley’s role and minutes are starting to take a hit, as feared.  
bceagle05 : 2/23/2021 10:19 pm : link
I know his shot has been off a bit, but he’s on his way to the Obi treatment unless he gets it going soon.
Doncic unbelievable  
GMEN46 : 2/23/2021 10:20 pm : link
That is why we need a Beal or lavine to compliment Randle. We need a guard or wing that can get a bucket at the end of the game and we don’t have one. Barrett thinks he is Michael Jordan or Kobe Bryant, you can start to see frustrated body language with some of his teammates. He keeps forcing horrible shots in the lane.

I know the smart move is to stay patient because this team we all though was a 15 win team, but if they had a Beal or lavine. They are competing with sny team in the East besides the nets.
RE: Quickley’s role and minutes are starting to take a hit, as feared.  
nygiants16 : 2/23/2021 10:22 pm : link
In comment 15160161 bceagle05 said:
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I know his shot has been off a bit, but he’s on his way to the Obi treatment unless he gets it going soon.


He looks to habe hit a little bit of a wall, floater not falling and some of his shot slections are awful
Yup, Barrett has zero body control when he drives  
mfsd : 2/23/2021 10:23 pm : link
he just barrels into the lane and forces up often awful shots

I’ll allow for him still being young and learning, but he was a net negative for us out there in the 4th tonight. And several other guys missed layups or shots within ten feet that could have made a difference
RE: Doncic unbelievable  
nygiants16 : 2/23/2021 10:23 pm : link
In comment 15160162 GMEN46 said:
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That is why we need a Beal or lavine to compliment Randle. We need a guard or wing that can get a bucket at the end of the game and we don’t have one. Barrett thinks he is Michael Jordan or Kobe Bryant, you can start to see frustrated body language with some of his teammates. He keeps forcing horrible shots in the lane.

I know the smart move is to stay patient because this team we all though was a 15 win team, but if they had a Beal or lavine. They are competing with sny team in the East besides the nets.


The play where Golden State reviewed was absolutely terrible, he drove into 3 guys with no one back with him..

Then he had a 3 on 1 and forced the shot and got fouled, could of had an easy 2
RE: Yup, Barrett has zero body control when he drives  
nygiants16 : 2/23/2021 10:24 pm : link
In comment 15160164 mfsd said:
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he just barrels into the lane and forces up often awful shots

I’ll allow for him still being young and learning, but he was a net negative for us out there in the 4th tonight. And several other guys missed layups or shots within ten feet that could have made a difference


He is Randle last year
RE: RE: Yup, Barrett has zero body control when he drives  
Del Shofner : 2/23/2021 10:27 pm : link
In comment 15160166 nygiants16 said:
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he just barrels into the lane and forces up often awful shots

I’ll allow for him still being young and learning, but he was a net negative for us out there in the 4th tonight. And several other guys missed layups or shots within ten feet that could have made a difference



He is Randle last year


Randle last year turned into Randle this year. Which is why I'd be patient with RJB. Not saying he's untouchable in a trade though.
RE: RE: RE: Yup, Barrett has zero body control when he drives  
nygiants16 : 2/23/2021 10:28 pm : link
In comment 15160169 Del Shofner said:
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he just barrels into the lane and forces up often awful shots

I’ll allow for him still being young and learning, but he was a net negative for us out there in the 4th tonight. And several other guys missed layups or shots within ten feet that could have made a difference



He is Randle last year



Randle last year turned into Randle this year. Which is why I'd be patient with RJB. Not saying he's untouchable in a trade though.


but at least Randle last year could shoot a little bit
This team needs a PG and a sniper in the worst possible way  
Anakim : 2/23/2021 10:33 pm : link
Get Cade Cunningham/Jalen Suggs and Moses Moody and I'll be happy
RJ can shoot when he takes the right shots  
adamg : 2/23/2021 10:34 pm : link
He needs to make better plays though. You're right that he looked like Randle from last year tonight. He needs to play smarter.
RE: RJ can shoot when he takes the right shots  
nygiants16 : 2/23/2021 10:37 pm : link
In comment 15160172 adamg said:
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He needs to make better plays though. You're right that he looked like Randle from last year tonight. He needs to play smarter.


He always looks like randle from last year, he just barrels into thr paint, some nights they go in and sometime they dont, but he never stops
RE: RE: Aaaand Luka nails a game winner  
Stu11 : 2/23/2021 10:44 pm : link
In comment 15160157 nygiants16 said:
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to secure the Mavs’ 80th home game of the season.

What a brutal fucking night all around.



Maybe we will get a KP trade to cheer us up

Don't worry the Uni couldn't be bothered to suit up for a 2nd night in a row.
RE: Quickley’s role and minutes are starting to take a hit, as feared.  
Stu11 : 2/23/2021 10:48 pm : link
In comment 15160161 bceagle05 said:
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I know his shot has been off a bit, but he’s on his way to the Obi treatment unless he gets it going soon.

His shot us off a bit? He was awful the past 2 games and sat because of it. Rose was superb in the 1st half and played more because of it. This isn't high school ball. I love Quick but if you're a rookie and you stink up the joint you're minutes will be cut especially when your team is fighting for a playoff spot.
Fine, Stu.  
bceagle05 : 2/23/2021 11:00 pm : link
But the rookie status should have little to do with it if it’s all about playoffs. Give RJ, Burks and Bullock the same quick hook when they suck, which is two out of every three games.
RE: Fine, Stu.  
Stu11 : 2/23/2021 11:10 pm : link
In comment 15160185 bceagle05 said:
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But the rookie status should have little to do with it if it’s all about playoffs. Give RJ, Burks and Bullock the same quick hook when they suck, which is two out of every three games.

Burks at least hit a couple of 3's to get them back in it in the 3rd, Bullock only played 18 minutes and RJ's minutes have been cut at times. Quickley was horrible tonight and worse was passing on shooting with his lack of confidence. Soon as he hits a couple of shots and gets his confidence back the minutes will rise again.
Team needs a consistent 2nd scorer  
nygiants16 : 2/23/2021 11:56 pm : link
a guy who at the end of games who can shoot and create his own shot..

Takes pressure off of Randle at the end of games and makes it harder for teams to double..
Plant me firmly in the  
Mike from SI : 2/23/2021 11:57 pm : link
"take our time with RJ" camp. He's going to be fine. Also, he's pretty good at rebounding and defense, which doesn't seem to come up on these threads for some reason.
RE: Plant me firmly in the  
nygiants16 : 2/24/2021 12:00 am : link
In comment 15160202 Mike from SI said:
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"take our time with RJ" camp. He's going to be fine. Also, he's pretty good at rebounding and defense, which doesn't seem to come up on these threads for some reason.


He was awful defensively tonight..
RE: Plant me firmly in the  
81_Great_Dane : 2/24/2021 2:01 am : link
In comment 15160202 Mike from SI said:
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"take our time with RJ" camp. He's going to be fine. Also, he's pretty good at rebounding and defense, which doesn't seem to come up on these threads for some reason.
Still very young. I agree. But: If he has to go in a package to get a proven star scorer, I'll shed a little tear and move on in around 5 minutes.

The Knicks have made it to mediocre, which is about the worst thing you can be in the NBA. Not good enough to contend for a title, not bad enough to get lucky in the lottery. But at least they are mediocre with a bunch of assets to trade and no terrible contracts. That's an improvement.
RE: Fine, Stu.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/24/2021 7:50 am : link
In comment 15160185 bceagle05 said:
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But the rookie status should have little to do with it if it’s all about playoffs. Give RJ, Burks and Bullock the same quick hook when they suck, which is two out of every three games.


RJ has had his minutes cut this month as he's had strings of bad games.

Thibs isn't changing his philosophy. Are you just venting by pointing out that rookies are treated differently? He's a pretty old dog to be complaining that he's not learning a new trick.
RE: Team needs a consistent 2nd scorer  
Heisenberg : 2/24/2021 8:39 am : link
In comment 15160201 nygiants16 said:
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a guy who at the end of games who can shoot and create his own shot..

Takes pressure off of Randle at the end of games and makes it harder for teams to double..


100% RJ can maybe be that some day? Maybe Quickley could be? They can't do it consistently now. But when those guys don't get it done, the Knicks are playing uphill. I have not been the biggest Lavine fan but if they had a guy like that, they win last night. We can't win games if Elfrid fucking Payton is taking 19 shots.
Randle is doing this with no spacing  
nygiants16 : 2/24/2021 8:59 am : link
now imagine he had a second scorer and spacing..
RE: RE: Plant me firmly in the  
Mike from SI : 2/24/2021 9:05 am : link
In comment 15160203 nygiants16 said:
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"take our time with RJ" camp. He's going to be fine. Also, he's pretty good at rebounding and defense, which doesn't seem to come up on these threads for some reason.



He was awful defensively tonight..


Setting aside that I disagree that he was awful on defense last night, I humbly suggest you focus less on one night's performance and more on his overall development this year.
RE: RE: Team needs a consistent 2nd scorer  
mfsd : 2/24/2021 9:06 am : link
In comment 15160255 Heisenberg said:
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a guy who at the end of games who can shoot and create his own shot..

Takes pressure off of Randle at the end of games and makes it harder for teams to double..



100% RJ can maybe be that some day? Maybe Quickley could be? They can't do it consistently now. But when those guys don't get it done, the Knicks are playing uphill. I have not been the biggest Lavine fan but if they had a guy like that, they win last night. We can't win games if Elfrid fucking Payton is taking 19 shots.


The bummer is Payton played a pretty good defensive game against Steph. He still dropped 37 including a killer 3 and 3-point play late, bc Steph is that good, but Payton made him work hard for it.

But you're right, any time Payton is our second leading scorer and shot taker, our chances of pulling out a game like last night are slim
RE: RE: RE: Plant me firmly in the  
nygiants16 : 2/24/2021 9:06 am : link
In comment 15160279 Mike from SI said:
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"take our time with RJ" camp. He's going to be fine. Also, he's pretty good at rebounding and defense, which doesn't seem to come up on these threads for some reason.



He was awful defensively tonight..



Setting aside that I disagree that he was awful on defense last night, I humbly suggest you focus less on one night's performance and more on his overall development this year.


what does he do well? it is not just last night, his overally shot selection is horrible whether the ball goes in or not is irrelevant..his shooting is horrendous..
RE: RE: RE: RE: Plant me firmly in the  
Mike from SI : 2/24/2021 9:31 am : link
In comment 15160284 nygiants16 said:
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"take our time with RJ" camp. He's going to be fine. Also, he's pretty good at rebounding and defense, which doesn't seem to come up on these threads for some reason.



He was awful defensively tonight..



Setting aside that I disagree that he was awful on defense last night, I humbly suggest you focus less on one night's performance and more on his overall development this year.



what does he do well? it is not just last night, his overally shot selection is horrible whether the ball goes in or not is irrelevant..his shooting is horrendous..


As I said in my previous comment, he's good at defense and rebounding.... He's shown plenty of good flashes on offense, the consistency will come.
His offensive game is atrocious  
nygiants16 : 2/24/2021 9:39 am : link
he literally does nothing well offensively that you can say ok this is what he is going to excel at in the future, there is nothing..

His way of just putting his head down, is julius randle last year, remeber the randle we all hated?
RJ  
TyreeHelmet : 2/24/2021 9:44 am : link
Is not a good defender at this point. He gets beat backdoor way too often and is overall not a good help team defender. And he struggles to stay in front of his man at times. He's not terrible but he's just about average. He is a good rebounder for his position no question.

I'm not sure how you project him going forward. Will he ever be an above average shooter? And he really struggles to finish at the rim in traffic. He can be very indecisive- he shows flashes of playmaking but doesn't do that consistently. Unless you fully fit the team around him and let him handle the ball, how does he fit in on a good team when he can't space the floor?

I know its only 1 night, but he had 4 points last night. He should be the clear cut 2nd best player on this team and there are too many nights when he has very little impact.

and it is not about making shots  
nygiants16 : 2/24/2021 9:49 am : link
a player can go 1 for 8 it happens, but it is the quality of shots rj takes, for example end of the first half he takes a crazy runner with 3 guys on him rather than kicking it oit to a wide open bullock
at least last year  
Enzo : 2/24/2021 9:49 am : link
RJ was drawing fouls at a decent clip. This year his clumsy drives are just resulting in wild misses.

I think Thibs needs to shake up his rotation. The 5 man grouping of RJ, Randle, Reggie, Payton and a center is seemingly pretty lousy offensively. Randle can only prop it up so much.

Only has drawn 24 FTA in February  
Greg from LI : 2/24/2021 10:18 am : link
And only shooting 62% on them
Thibs gave the game away in the 3rd quarter  
TheMick7 : 2/24/2021 10:25 am : link
Leading by 4 at halftime,the starters were lost offensively & defensively,continually going one on one w/o any success. Yet,Thibs kept them all in,until they were losing by double digits. I know he has a substitution pattern,but it was pretty obvious he needed to adjust it last night. And,despite their late attempt at a comeback,it really didn't need to get to that. I love what Thibs has done,but his inflexibility last night cost them!
and it is going to start pissing off teammates  
nygiants16 : 2/24/2021 10:25 am : link
if Quickley was playing better last night guarantee he finishes the game and not Rj..

That shot he took down 5 with 4 and a half left with the entire warriors team back and he went 1 on 5 was the icing on the cake...
and it is going to start pissing off teammates  
nygiants16 : 2/24/2021 10:40 am : link
if Quickley was playing better last night guarantee he finishes the game and not Rj..

That shot he took down 5 with 4 and a half left with the entire warriors team back and he went 1 on 5 was the icing on the cake...
I'm ready to see Knox resurface -  
Del Shofner : 2/24/2021 10:41 am : link
never thought I'd say that.

Sacramento tomorrow.
The Knicks biggest problem is clearly  
PhilSimms15 : 2/24/2021 10:45 am : link
that they are playing the game as if it were 10 years ago not as the league is playing now. Unless an NBA team can take 30-40 three points and hit them at a reasonable rate, they can't be a winning team.

Now, I understand why the Knicks have to play a different way as they really don't have any good three point shooters. Burks comes closest and when Quickley is on, he is effective. It's one reason why I still struggle with why they took Toppin instead of one of the sharp shooting guards still available.

Hopefully, management understands this and makes acquiring three-point shooters the priority this off-season and draft.
RE: Problem is  
djm : 2/24/2021 10:53 am : link
In comment 15160082 Carl in CT said:
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Tell me what RJB does well. shoot - nope, handle -nope, defense- nope, rebound? Ok I guess. Athletic - nope. Guess what he will be average at best.


He is a good passing 2-3 and a good rebounding 2-3 and he gets to the basket and finishes well. He's also a capable defender with room for growth.

You don't have to obliterate Barrett while keeping your mind open to a big time trade. He's 20 and averaging above average numbers. Of course he should be traded for a super star, but that doesn't mean he's garbage.
RE: RJ needs  
djm : 2/24/2021 10:57 am : link
In comment 15160144 Carl in CT said:
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The Kevin Knox treatment. I would play him over RJ. At least he can shoot.


Knox is useless. Kidding me...
I like RJs potential  
Jan in DC : 2/24/2021 11:03 am : link
and I think it's an easy decision to be patient and wait for him to develop. He's been a plus player for most of the season, even when he's had bad stretches.
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