and I get wanting to win. Knicks have given us reasons to get into these games and want more. I get it. But pull back a little bit and look at things with a calming lens...lol.
We are 2 games under 500.
Young players like RJB, Quickley and Mitch have shown progress. No one is putting any of these kids in upper echelon but we'd take every player's progression in spades if we were offered this prior to game 1.
Randle has developed into a legit super star player. He's as good a PF as any in the game. His scoring efficiency is nothing short of excellent. His D is adequate. Rebounding is elite. And he's a good passing big.
Dallas pick looks to be at least middle of the road which we would all sign up for considering how we all felt they'd be a 50 win team this year. If it turns out to be a lotto pick, great, but even a pick in the teens will help the Knicks immensely.
Every young player on this team save for Frank and knox have progressed this year. Every single one. Meaning we now have legit trade chips and with Randle, legit building blocks. Rose and Thibs know WTF they are doing, especially Thibs. We are fine. We aren't going to make any desperate trades right now because we don't have to. If and when the right trade comes along, and it will, the Knicks will strike. The trade will likely cost a lot, probably more than what many here want to part with, but the bigger key will be that the Knicks will have room to operate after the trade. They will be able to add pieces unlike 2011.
We lost to a better team last night. Curry is a better player than any one on our team. Refs sucked. Oh well. We are still on pace for a 500 or so record. I am enjoying every second of this season because not only is this fun, the possibilities for the future are endless. I don't see an Al Bianchi or Donnie Walsh type fuck up or two on the horizon. I think Rose knows a lot more than we might think. This is a guy that has the pulse of the entire NBA at his fingertips.
I do think RJB will be one of the pieces moved. I also think Mitch could be dealt as well. The good thing is, these kids have established themselves as solid starters and the league has a hard on for cheap solid starters. Perhaps the Knicks won't have to trade away 5-6 chips for that star player, perhaps only 2-3...
"Every young player save for Frank and knox have progressed"
other than minutes played, Mitch's numbers are down in pretty much every meaningful stat. So basically that just leaves RJ - who's bad games are SO bad that he becomes basically unplayable.
In that sense the numbers don't tell the whole story. The fact that his MPG have increased is significant because his major flaw was constantly being in foul trouble and he HAS improved that.
In that sense the numbers don't tell the whole story. The fact that his MPG have increased is significant because his major flaw was constantly being in foul trouble and he HAS improved that.
not that we're a bunch of experts, but it's been pointed out by more than few posters here that he doesn't look like the same guy as last year. The stats tell the same story.
He has shown enough improvement this year to still be optimistic about his future. Is he a future multiple all star? Probably not, but he has shown flashes that at least make you think it is in the realm of possible out comes.
I'm not going to get on a 20 year old kid for poor decision making or shot selection. That is just something that comes with experience, and if you watch any young player in the league they all do stupid shit. Quickley and Obi Toppin have had more than their fair share this year and both of those guys are older than Barrett is.
Per 36 minutes he is averaging roughly 17-7-3, as a 20 year old with 88 career games played. The shooting still isn't where you want it to be, but it has improved and hopefully will continue to improve. His 3 point shooting was horrific over the first 5 games of the season (he finished December shooting 12.5% from 3), but he has shot MUCH better other than that and is shooting a much more respectable 35.5% from 3 in the 27 games since. He is a good rebounder for his position, he is a good passer for his size, and he has played above average defense this year.
Yeah it sucks that he isn't Zion or Ja (check out Ja's 3 point shooting % if you want to get on RJ about his), but that doesn't mean he isn't going to be a good player once he actually has time to develop.
In that sense the numbers don't tell the whole story. The fact that his MPG have increased is significant because his major flaw was constantly being in foul trouble and he HAS improved that.
not that we're a bunch of experts, but it's been pointed out by more than few posters here that he doesn't look like the same guy as last year. The stats tell the same story.
In what way? He was never a big offensive player to begin with, so I'm not sure what numbers really show his value. His blocks are down? In the past, he was chasing blocks trying to fill a stat-sheet, but that's not necessarily good defensive play.
other than minutes played, Mitch's numbers are down in pretty much every meaningful stat. So basically that just leaves RJ - who's bad games are SO bad that he becomes basically unplayable.
Mitch is a better player this year. He isn't fouling out every other game.
RE: RE: I don't think anyone believes Mitch has regressed this year
In that sense the numbers don't tell the whole story. The fact that his MPG have increased is significant because his major flaw was constantly being in foul trouble and he HAS improved that.
not that we're a bunch of experts, but it's been pointed out by more than few posters here that he doesn't look like the same guy as last year. The stats tell the same story.
That I agree with but I think his value around the league has gone up, even if just slightly.
being on Realgm when Jamal Crawford sister would post in the Knick's forum. Even she wasn't so laser focused on one player as you guys are.
It's hyper focused on minutes played and rotations and every loss. I felt compelled to post a feel good tirade because most threads are so negative. Fuck man I am enjoying the hell out of this. Even the losses.
The stress of stupid unrealistic expectations will come soon enough for now I am enjoying this.
a star player will cost us 2 young players that showed something, and RJB and Mitch most definitely have, and 2-3 picks. We can do that and still thrive in my view. Just don't know what player springs free over the next 12 months or less.
RE: RE: RE: I don't think anyone believes Mitch has regressed this year
In that sense the numbers don't tell the whole story. The fact that his MPG have increased is significant because his major flaw was constantly being in foul trouble and he HAS improved that.
not that we're a bunch of experts, but it's been pointed out by more than few posters here that he doesn't look like the same guy as last year. The stats tell the same story.
In what way? He was never a big offensive player to begin with, so I'm not sure what numbers really show his value. His blocks are down? In the past, he was chasing blocks trying to fill a stat-sheet, but that's not necessarily good defensive play.
A 6.0 drop in PER is significant - no matter how you slice it. PER is not the best stat in the world, but I think it's a pretty good measure of a player's general activity/production. Getting more specific, his biggest (or only) strength on offense was his ability to finish around the rim. He went from being dominant in that area to just ok.
But after Randle (and Robinson hurt), the next 5 players IQ, Rose, O Top, Burks and Noel are bench players. That means your other 3 starters are not getting it done RJ, PAyton & Bullock. Something has to give.
being on Realgm when Jamal Crawford sister would post in the Knick's forum. Even she wasn't so laser focused on one player as you guys are.
It's hyper focused on minutes played and rotations and every loss. I felt compelled to post a feel good tirade because most threads are so negative. Fuck man I am enjoying the hell out of this. Even the losses.
The stress of stupid unrealistic expectations will come soon enough for now I am enjoying this.
but every young player when they are developing needs that trait that is going to propel them, Rj doesnt have that..
even the other young players on the team, you see the trait that they excel at, Quickley with his shooting, ability to draw fouls...Mitch shot blocking and rim running..Toppin his athleticism..
Now is it a guarantee those players become anything? no but you see the trait that can be the thing that propels them..
Rj doesnt have that 1 trait that he excels at, now do i want to trade him for a bag of balls? no but i dont see the trait that one can say thats why hr is going to develop
is it highly overvalues players who can be effective at accumulating stats in short stretches. Mitch used to be able to do that but not stay on the court because he was fouling too much. Now he's playing solid defense and fouling less but at the expense of some stats like blocks/minute. One would expect his PER to decrease based on our desire (and the results) for him to foul less.
is it highly overvalues players who can be effective at accumulating stats in short stretches. Mitch used to be able to do that but not stay on the court because he was fouling too much. Now he's playing solid defense and fouling less but at the expense of some stats like blocks/minute. One would expect his PER to decrease based on our desire (and the results) for him to foul less.
it's obviously just not PER. He's also down in TS% and RB%. Also, the TOV% is up while his usage is down.
Anecdotally, it seems like a combination of diminished athleticism, bad hands, and overall lack of instincts.
Forget last year, his shooting percentages around the hoop are down from his rookie year.
It would cost us nothing in terms of assets or even much cap space. We could use his low post presence on offense for 15-20 minutes a night. Even when Mitch is healthy our bigs present no offensive threat except rolling to the hoop for a dunk. Collectively they probably have the worst hands in the NBA.
1 way it makes sense is if you are trading Mitch in a bigger deal for a star wing..
Drummond is a beast down low and with randle play well on the perimiter it could work..
Austin Rivers says hr has heard rumors of him being traded
I would make that deal for Drummond in a heart beat. We can use the rest of the season as an evaluation period, but boy do we need paint points from our front court. He can actually catch the ball, has a little shooting touch, would allow Randle to use his perimeter and off the dribble game more effectively, would be HUGE for our driving PGs as a dump option and is another double double every night. I would be against it if it meant losing 1st+, but this guy frees up a lot of space on the perimeter.
Who are we getting paint points from now other than Payton and Randle?
"take our time with RJ" camp. He's going to be fine. Also, he's pretty good at rebounding and defense, which doesn't seem to come up on these threads for some reason.
He was awful defensively tonight..
Setting aside that I disagree that he was awful on defense last night, I humbly suggest you focus less on one night's performance and more on his overall development this year.
what does he do well? it is not just last night, his overally shot selection is horrible whether the ball goes in or not is irrelevant..his shooting is horrendous..
As I said in my previous comment, he's good at defense and rebounding.... He's shown plenty of good flashes on offense, the consistency will come.
He is NOT a good defender off the ball. He is OK on the ball, but he still gets beaten badly once a game.
I can literally point out 3 different plays based on memory from last nightwhere he made a terrible decision that cost the Knicks points last night.
people will sign with contenders. I don't know who's going to give up real assets for Drummond. His contract's a monster so matching salary for him would be hard I think.
I don't know that I think any team will be able to do it, which is why I think he'll be bought out in the end.
RE: Honestly I'd rather take a flyer on Cousins right now
It would cost us nothing in terms of assets or even much cap space. We could use his low post presence on offense for 15-20 minutes a night. Even when Mitch is healthy our bigs present no offensive threat except rolling to the hoop for a dunk. Collectively they probably have the worst hands in the NBA.
I admittedly haven't watched much of the Rockets this year but Cousins shot 37% from the field so far this year. That's pretty awful to say the least.
Drummond helps our main weaknesses. Also, he's a free agent in a few months so what's the point? We become a slightly tougher out in the first round then we would have been without him?
I guess I could see it if you have a deal to re-sign him for less than what he's currently making. Then you can trade Mitch.
I'm really not crazy about the overall team direction of making this half ass "playoff push" while Quickly barely plays and Knox/Frank rot on the bench.
Drummond helps our main weaknesses. Also, he's a free agent in a few months so what's the point? We become a slightly tougher out in the first round then we would have been without him?
I guess I could see it if you have a deal to re-sign him for less than what he's currently making. Then you can trade Mitch.
I'm really not crazy about the overall team direction of making this half ass "playoff push" while Quickly barely plays and Knox/Frank rot on the bench.
Well, I love Mitch, and dont want him traded. That said, in my opinion, he is not a front line Center yet. He has a terrible offensive game aside from the occasional oop or offensive rebound. Drummond is not going to command the same contract he previosly got and giving up a 2nd and Rivers/Frank is basically getting him for what we gave up for Rose. He is the same age as Randle and they can both be part of the solution going forward.
But we arent going to beat anybody without somewhat of a post presence from our C. He wouldve done wonders last night.
Drummond helps our main weaknesses. Also, he's a free agent in a few months so what's the point? We become a slightly tougher out in the first round then we would have been without him?
I guess I could see it if you have a deal to re-sign him for less than what he's currently making. Then you can trade Mitch.
I'm really not crazy about the overall team direction of making this half ass "playoff push" while Quickly barely plays and Knox/Frank rot on the bench.
Quickley will be fine, he plays the most 4th quarter minutes on the team, past 3 games he has been lff game before that hr played 25 minutes and closed out the game..
Frank and Knox suck, Knox had his chance and blew it, It is telling that a defensive coach wants nothing to do with frank
RE: RE: Honestly I'd rather take a flyer on Cousins right now
It would cost us nothing in terms of assets or even much cap space. We could use his low post presence on offense for 15-20 minutes a night. Even when Mitch is healthy our bigs present no offensive threat except rolling to the hoop for a dunk. Collectively they probably have the worst hands in the NBA.
I admittedly haven't watched much of the Rockets this year but Cousins shot 37% from the field so far this year. That's pretty awful to say the least.
Houston is a mess right now. No spacing. Wall has been ok, but he looks for his shot more than anything else. Oladipo's %'s have plummeted there compared to Indiana. Why not take a flyer on Cousins? He can definitely score in the low post.
RE: RE: RE: Honestly I'd rather take a flyer on Cousins right now
It would cost us nothing in terms of assets or even much cap space. We could use his low post presence on offense for 15-20 minutes a night. Even when Mitch is healthy our bigs present no offensive threat except rolling to the hoop for a dunk. Collectively they probably have the worst hands in the NBA.
I admittedly haven't watched much of the Rockets this year but Cousins shot 37% from the field so far this year. That's pretty awful to say the least.
Houston is a mess right now. No spacing. Wall has been ok, but he looks for his shot more than anything else. Oladipo's %'s have plummeted there compared to Indiana. Why not take a flyer on Cousins? He can definitely score in the low post.
He cant move and has been a siv on defense, his body has really broken down, he is going for maybe 15 minutes a night
Drummond helps our main weaknesses. Also, he's a free agent in a few months so what's the point? We become a slightly tougher out in the first round then we would have been without him?
I guess I could see it if you have a deal to re-sign him for less than what he's currently making. Then you can trade Mitch.
I'm really not crazy about the overall team direction of making this half ass "playoff push" while Quickly barely plays and Knox/Frank rot on the bench.
Quickley will be fine, he plays the most 4th quarter minutes on the team, past 3 games he has been lff game before that hr played 25 minutes and closed out the game..
Frank and Knox suck, Knox had his chance and blew it, It is telling that a defensive coach wants nothing to do with frank
that's a hell of a "chance" Knox was given, lol. No reason both him and Frank can't at least be in the g-league getting reps. Also, Obi has played more than 15 mins in a game exactly three times this season. Yes, we're more competitive, but we're not close to being an actual winning team. What serves the team better in the long run?
Drummond helps our main weaknesses. Also, he's a free agent in a few months so what's the point? We become a slightly tougher out in the first round then we would have been without him?
I guess I could see it if you have a deal to re-sign him for less than what he's currently making. Then you can trade Mitch.
I'm really not crazy about the overall team direction of making this half ass "playoff push" while Quickly barely plays and Knox/Frank rot on the bench.
Quickley will be fine, he plays the most 4th quarter minutes on the team, past 3 games he has been lff game before that hr played 25 minutes and closed out the game..
Frank and Knox suck, Knox had his chance and blew it, It is telling that a defensive coach wants nothing to do with frank
that's a hell of a "chance" Knox was given, lol. No reason both him and Frank can't at least be in the g-league getting reps. Also, Obi has played more than 15 mins in a game exactly three times this season. Yes, we're more competitive, but we're not close to being an actual winning team. What serves the team better in the long run?
that i agree with send them to the g league..
Who is he playing over? i wouldnt mind a little small ball
I want bullock traded and Frank and knox getting minutes. I’m the only one, but I stand by this. What does Bullock do that’s a positive for this team?
Presumably shooting and floor spacing, but he's not elite at it.
For me, I'm happy to ride out this year, let the kids develop more, and see if we can't turn this better than expected season into a FA or offseason trade win. T
I feel like in years past no one wanted to come to NY because they didn't want to have the burden of turning it around by themselves. In the past there's been no prospects and the needle has always pointed down. But this year there's a lot of reasons for optimism.
I can see that working in our favor with stars asking to be traded, or FAs we normally wouldn't have landed.
pick a vet who's a free agent in 4 months - could be anyone. Give Randle/Obi 10-15 mins as your only bigs and see if the drop-off on defense is worth the boost you get on offense.
I hope Rose takes the long view and sells off some spare parts at the deadline, but I'll believe it when I see it.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Honestly I'd rather take a flyer on Cousins right now
It would cost us nothing in terms of assets or even much cap space. We could use his low post presence on offense for 15-20 minutes a night. Even when Mitch is healthy our bigs present no offensive threat except rolling to the hoop for a dunk. Collectively they probably have the worst hands in the NBA.
I admittedly haven't watched much of the Rockets this year but Cousins shot 37% from the field so far this year. That's pretty awful to say the least.
Houston is a mess right now. No spacing. Wall has been ok, but he looks for his shot more than anything else. Oladipo's %'s have plummeted there compared to Indiana. Why not take a flyer on Cousins? He can definitely score in the low post.
He cant move and has been a siv on defense, his body has really broken down, he is going for maybe 15 minutes a night
Its worse than that, he is averaging like 10 pts and hes been getting 20 mins per game....that was according to Hahn last night.
Drummond instantly gives us a secondary scorer. I dunno if you guys were watching last night, but unless it was Randle or Payton, none of our starters were scoring. We are at the bottom of the league on offense and that is largely because we rely so heavily on our perimeter game while we are limited on shooters.
pick a vet who's a free agent in 4 months - could be anyone. Give Randle/Obi 10-15 mins as your only bigs and see if the drop-off on defense is worth the boost you get on offense.
I hope Rose takes the long view and sells off some spare parts at the deadline, but I'll believe it when I see it.
they are not selling off we both know that, rose and Thibs are going to try and make the playoffs and then build with their cap space and 5 1sts in 3 yesrs
Lets look at it assuming we dont work out a reasonable extension with Drummond and he IS just a rental. I would gladly take a double double machine who can help us make a playoff push more exciting for a player who never plays and a 2nd roumder. You combine that with maybe coupling him with Randle going forward (for less than what he got before) and fuck yes I make that deal.
We are 2 games under 500.
Young players like RJB, Quickley and Mitch have shown progress. No one is putting any of these kids in upper echelon but we'd take every player's progression in spades if we were offered this prior to game 1.
Randle has developed into a legit super star player. He's as good a PF as any in the game. His scoring efficiency is nothing short of excellent. His D is adequate. Rebounding is elite. And he's a good passing big.
Dallas pick looks to be at least middle of the road which we would all sign up for considering how we all felt they'd be a 50 win team this year. If it turns out to be a lotto pick, great, but even a pick in the teens will help the Knicks immensely.
Every young player on this team save for Frank and knox have progressed this year. Every single one. Meaning we now have legit trade chips and with Randle, legit building blocks. Rose and Thibs know WTF they are doing, especially Thibs. We are fine. We aren't going to make any desperate trades right now because we don't have to. If and when the right trade comes along, and it will, the Knicks will strike. The trade will likely cost a lot, probably more than what many here want to part with, but the bigger key will be that the Knicks will have room to operate after the trade. They will be able to add pieces unlike 2011.
We lost to a better team last night. Curry is a better player than any one on our team. Refs sucked. Oh well. We are still on pace for a 500 or so record. I am enjoying every second of this season because not only is this fun, the possibilities for the future are endless. I don't see an Al Bianchi or Donnie Walsh type fuck up or two on the horizon. I think Rose knows a lot more than we might think. This is a guy that has the pulse of the entire NBA at his fingertips.
I do think RJB will be one of the pieces moved. I also think Mitch could be dealt as well. The good thing is, these kids have established themselves as solid starters and the league has a hard on for cheap solid starters. Perhaps the Knicks won't have to trade away 5-6 chips for that star player, perhaps only 2-3...
He is just a hard player to build around and is useless without the ball in his hands
Hahn last night on his facebook live was saying he expects a lot more national games second half
not that we're a bunch of experts, but it's been pointed out by more than few posters here that he doesn't look like the same guy as last year. The stats tell the same story.
I'm not going to get on a 20 year old kid for poor decision making or shot selection. That is just something that comes with experience, and if you watch any young player in the league they all do stupid shit. Quickley and Obi Toppin have had more than their fair share this year and both of those guys are older than Barrett is.
Per 36 minutes he is averaging roughly 17-7-3, as a 20 year old with 88 career games played. The shooting still isn't where you want it to be, but it has improved and hopefully will continue to improve. His 3 point shooting was horrific over the first 5 games of the season (he finished December shooting 12.5% from 3), but he has shot MUCH better other than that and is shooting a much more respectable 35.5% from 3 in the 27 games since. He is a good rebounder for his position, he is a good passer for his size, and he has played above average defense this year.
Yeah it sucks that he isn't Zion or Ja (check out Ja's 3 point shooting % if you want to get on RJ about his), but that doesn't mean he isn't going to be a good player once he actually has time to develop.
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In that sense the numbers don't tell the whole story. The fact that his MPG have increased is significant because his major flaw was constantly being in foul trouble and he HAS improved that.
not that we're a bunch of experts, but it's been pointed out by more than few posters here that he doesn't look like the same guy as last year. The stats tell the same story.
In what way? He was never a big offensive player to begin with, so I'm not sure what numbers really show his value. His blocks are down? In the past, he was chasing blocks trying to fill a stat-sheet, but that's not necessarily good defensive play.
Mitch is a better player this year. He isn't fouling out every other game.
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In that sense the numbers don't tell the whole story. The fact that his MPG have increased is significant because his major flaw was constantly being in foul trouble and he HAS improved that.
not that we're a bunch of experts, but it's been pointed out by more than few posters here that he doesn't look like the same guy as last year. The stats tell the same story.
That I agree with but I think his value around the league has gone up, even if just slightly.
Didn't you say RJ was untouchable and wouldn't trade him for anyone in the league?
Everyone's favorite player, Morant--go check his numbers this season. Up and down.
It's hyper focused on minutes played and rotations and every loss. I felt compelled to post a feel good tirade because most threads are so negative. Fuck man I am enjoying the hell out of this. Even the losses.
The stress of stupid unrealistic expectations will come soon enough for now I am enjoying this.
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In that sense the numbers don't tell the whole story. The fact that his MPG have increased is significant because his major flaw was constantly being in foul trouble and he HAS improved that.
not that we're a bunch of experts, but it's been pointed out by more than few posters here that he doesn't look like the same guy as last year. The stats tell the same story.
In what way? He was never a big offensive player to begin with, so I'm not sure what numbers really show his value. His blocks are down? In the past, he was chasing blocks trying to fill a stat-sheet, but that's not necessarily good defensive play.
A 6.0 drop in PER is significant - no matter how you slice it. PER is not the best stat in the world, but I think it's a pretty good measure of a player's general activity/production. Getting more specific, his biggest (or only) strength on offense was his ability to finish around the rim. He went from being dominant in that area to just ok.
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being on Realgm when Jamal Crawford sister would post in the Knick's forum. Even she wasn't so laser focused on one player as you guys are.
It's hyper focused on minutes played and rotations and every loss. I felt compelled to post a feel good tirade because most threads are so negative. Fuck man I am enjoying the hell out of this. Even the losses.
The stress of stupid unrealistic expectations will come soon enough for now I am enjoying this.
even the other young players on the team, you see the trait that they excel at, Quickley with his shooting, ability to draw fouls...Mitch shot blocking and rim running..Toppin his athleticism..
Now is it a guarantee those players become anything? no but you see the trait that can be the thing that propels them..
Rj doesnt have that 1 trait that he excels at, now do i want to trade him for a bag of balls? no but i dont see the trait that one can say thats why hr is going to develop
it's obviously just not PER. He's also down in TS% and RB%. Also, the TOV% is up while his usage is down.
Anecdotally, it seems like a combination of diminished athleticism, bad hands, and overall lack of instincts.
Forget last year, his shooting percentages around the hoop are down from his rookie year.
... and then there's Drummond ...
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Drummond is a beast down low and with randle play well on the perimiter it could work..
Austin Rivers says hr has heard rumors of him being traded
Drummond is a beast down low and with randle play well on the perimiter it could work..
Austin Rivers says hr has heard rumors of him being traded
I would make that deal for Drummond in a heart beat. We can use the rest of the season as an evaluation period, but boy do we need paint points from our front court. He can actually catch the ball, has a little shooting touch, would allow Randle to use his perimeter and off the dribble game more effectively, would be HUGE for our driving PGs as a dump option and is another double double every night. I would be against it if it meant losing 1st+, but this guy frees up a lot of space on the perimeter.
Who are we getting paint points from now other than Payton and Randle?
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"take our time with RJ" camp. He's going to be fine. Also, he's pretty good at rebounding and defense, which doesn't seem to come up on these threads for some reason.
He was awful defensively tonight..
Setting aside that I disagree that he was awful on defense last night, I humbly suggest you focus less on one night's performance and more on his overall development this year.
what does he do well? it is not just last night, his overally shot selection is horrible whether the ball goes in or not is irrelevant..his shooting is horrendous..
As I said in my previous comment, he's good at defense and rebounding.... He's shown plenty of good flashes on offense, the consistency will come.
He is NOT a good defender off the ball. He is OK on the ball, but he still gets beaten badly once a game.
I can literally point out 3 different plays based on memory from last nightwhere he made a terrible decision that cost the Knicks points last night.
I don't know that I think any team will be able to do it, which is why I think he'll be bought out in the end.
I admittedly haven't watched much of the Rockets this year but Cousins shot 37% from the field so far this year. That's pretty awful to say the least.
I guess I could see it if you have a deal to re-sign him for less than what he's currently making. Then you can trade Mitch.
I'm really not crazy about the overall team direction of making this half ass "playoff push" while Quickly barely plays and Knox/Frank rot on the bench.
I guess I could see it if you have a deal to re-sign him for less than what he's currently making. Then you can trade Mitch.
I'm really not crazy about the overall team direction of making this half ass "playoff push" while Quickly barely plays and Knox/Frank rot on the bench.
Well, I love Mitch, and dont want him traded. That said, in my opinion, he is not a front line Center yet. He has a terrible offensive game aside from the occasional oop or offensive rebound. Drummond is not going to command the same contract he previosly got and giving up a 2nd and Rivers/Frank is basically getting him for what we gave up for Rose. He is the same age as Randle and they can both be part of the solution going forward.
But we arent going to beat anybody without somewhat of a post presence from our C. He wouldve done wonders last night.
I guess I could see it if you have a deal to re-sign him for less than what he's currently making. Then you can trade Mitch.
I'm really not crazy about the overall team direction of making this half ass "playoff push" while Quickly barely plays and Knox/Frank rot on the bench.
Quickley will be fine, he plays the most 4th quarter minutes on the team, past 3 games he has been lff game before that hr played 25 minutes and closed out the game..
Frank and Knox suck, Knox had his chance and blew it, It is telling that a defensive coach wants nothing to do with frank
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It would cost us nothing in terms of assets or even much cap space. We could use his low post presence on offense for 15-20 minutes a night. Even when Mitch is healthy our bigs present no offensive threat except rolling to the hoop for a dunk. Collectively they probably have the worst hands in the NBA.
I admittedly haven't watched much of the Rockets this year but Cousins shot 37% from the field so far this year. That's pretty awful to say the least.
Houston is a mess right now. No spacing. Wall has been ok, but he looks for his shot more than anything else. Oladipo's %'s have plummeted there compared to Indiana. Why not take a flyer on Cousins? He can definitely score in the low post.
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In comment 15160653 Stu11 said:
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It would cost us nothing in terms of assets or even much cap space. We could use his low post presence on offense for 15-20 minutes a night. Even when Mitch is healthy our bigs present no offensive threat except rolling to the hoop for a dunk. Collectively they probably have the worst hands in the NBA.
I admittedly haven't watched much of the Rockets this year but Cousins shot 37% from the field so far this year. That's pretty awful to say the least.
Houston is a mess right now. No spacing. Wall has been ok, but he looks for his shot more than anything else. Oladipo's %'s have plummeted there compared to Indiana. Why not take a flyer on Cousins? He can definitely score in the low post.
He cant move and has been a siv on defense, his body has really broken down, he is going for maybe 15 minutes a night
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Drummond helps our main weaknesses. Also, he's a free agent in a few months so what's the point? We become a slightly tougher out in the first round then we would have been without him?
I guess I could see it if you have a deal to re-sign him for less than what he's currently making. Then you can trade Mitch.
I'm really not crazy about the overall team direction of making this half ass "playoff push" while Quickly barely plays and Knox/Frank rot on the bench.
Quickley will be fine, he plays the most 4th quarter minutes on the team, past 3 games he has been lff game before that hr played 25 minutes and closed out the game..
Frank and Knox suck, Knox had his chance and blew it, It is telling that a defensive coach wants nothing to do with frank
that's a hell of a "chance" Knox was given, lol. No reason both him and Frank can't at least be in the g-league getting reps. Also, Obi has played more than 15 mins in a game exactly three times this season. Yes, we're more competitive, but we're not close to being an actual winning team. What serves the team better in the long run?
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Drummond helps our main weaknesses. Also, he's a free agent in a few months so what's the point? We become a slightly tougher out in the first round then we would have been without him?
I guess I could see it if you have a deal to re-sign him for less than what he's currently making. Then you can trade Mitch.
I'm really not crazy about the overall team direction of making this half ass "playoff push" while Quickly barely plays and Knox/Frank rot on the bench.
Quickley will be fine, he plays the most 4th quarter minutes on the team, past 3 games he has been lff game before that hr played 25 minutes and closed out the game..
Frank and Knox suck, Knox had his chance and blew it, It is telling that a defensive coach wants nothing to do with frank
that's a hell of a "chance" Knox was given, lol. No reason both him and Frank can't at least be in the g-league getting reps. Also, Obi has played more than 15 mins in a game exactly three times this season. Yes, we're more competitive, but we're not close to being an actual winning team. What serves the team better in the long run?
that i agree with send them to the g league..
Who is he playing over? i wouldnt mind a little small ball
Presumably shooting and floor spacing, but he's not elite at it.
For me, I'm happy to ride out this year, let the kids develop more, and see if we can't turn this better than expected season into a FA or offseason trade win. T
I feel like in years past no one wanted to come to NY because they didn't want to have the burden of turning it around by themselves. In the past there's been no prospects and the needle has always pointed down. But this year there's a lot of reasons for optimism.
I can see that working in our favor with stars asking to be traded, or FAs we normally wouldn't have landed.
I hope Rose takes the long view and sells off some spare parts at the deadline, but I'll believe it when I see it.
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In comment 15160653 Stu11 said:
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It would cost us nothing in terms of assets or even much cap space. We could use his low post presence on offense for 15-20 minutes a night. Even when Mitch is healthy our bigs present no offensive threat except rolling to the hoop for a dunk. Collectively they probably have the worst hands in the NBA.
I admittedly haven't watched much of the Rockets this year but Cousins shot 37% from the field so far this year. That's pretty awful to say the least.
Houston is a mess right now. No spacing. Wall has been ok, but he looks for his shot more than anything else. Oladipo's %'s have plummeted there compared to Indiana. Why not take a flyer on Cousins? He can definitely score in the low post.
He cant move and has been a siv on defense, his body has really broken down, he is going for maybe 15 minutes a night
Its worse than that, he is averaging like 10 pts and hes been getting 20 mins per game....that was according to Hahn last night.
Drummond instantly gives us a secondary scorer. I dunno if you guys were watching last night, but unless it was Randle or Payton, none of our starters were scoring. We are at the bottom of the league on offense and that is largely because we rely so heavily on our perimeter game while we are limited on shooters.
I hope Rose takes the long view and sells off some spare parts at the deadline, but I'll believe it when I see it.
they are not selling off we both know that, rose and Thibs are going to try and make the playoffs and then build with their cap space and 5 1sts in 3 yesrs