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GBN Draft Report 1st Round Mock (Feb 24th) with Trades

M.S. : 2/25/2021 7:19 am
The trades for QB come fast and furious in this mock draft from our friends at GBN.

Three teams (Philly, Carolina and New England) trade up for QBs, resulting in four QBs overall going before the Giants selection at #11.

There seems to be somewhat of an inconsistency in at least one of the trades. For, example, the Jets (#2) and Philly (#6) swap picks. But that's a differential of 1,000 points on a standard Draft Value Chart (2,600 - 1,600 = 1,000). That should net the Jets at least another mid-first rounder (and probably more.) But no transaction appears on this Mock. (Maybe GBN assumes future picks for the Jets?)

In any event, plenty of good players left for when the Giants pick, including WR Jaylen Waddle, CB Caleb Farley, LB Micah Parsons and DE Greg Rousseau.

And with the 11th pick in the 2021 NFL Football Draft the New York Giants select...

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And with the 11th pick the New York Giants pick.....  
JohnB : 2/25/2021 7:47 am : link
Jaylen Waddle

if you don't want to click the link....
Thank you M.S,  
Bill2 : 2/25/2021 7:50 am : link
For providing us all these mocks and player evaluations

Especially during this dry spell for football news
Too often mock drafts are a reflection of what the picker thinks  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/25/2021 8:19 am : link
a team should do, rather than an educated guess on what the teal will do.
Really hope we don’t go Waddle  
UConn4523 : 2/25/2021 8:21 am : link
the bust potential is enormous.
RE: Really hope we don’t go Waddle  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/25/2021 8:23 am : link
In comment 15161065 UConn4523 said:
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the bust potential is enormous.


Why so? (I'm seriously asking) Bama players, especially at WR, seem to do well.
One WR and TE from Free Agency  
Jimmy Googs : 2/25/2021 8:28 am : link
and one WR and TE from the Draft.

Not a big fan of Waddle but I trust Gettleman and his eval process to really nail it...










Unfortunately...  
bw in dc : 2/25/2021 8:37 am : link
Waddle is a remote thrower. Loved him last year, but the injury is a turn off at #11. And I’m not convinced he can wear the #1 hat.

Under the scenario, I’d take Slater or Farley (coin toss) and then Parsons.

Farley is the best corner in the draft. And Slater is probably the most versatile OL. Both would be good investments.
RE: RE: Really hope we don’t go Waddle  
UConn4523 : 2/25/2021 8:45 am : link
In comment 15161068 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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In comment 15161065 UConn4523 said:


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the bust potential is enormous.



Why so? (I'm seriously asking) Bama players, especially at WR, seem to do well.


Nothing against him specifically, he’s got good upside. But the existing injury is a concern, and I’m getting a bit tired of the smaller WRs. Their value lies in their speed and quickness and once that goes they are effectively done. I also don’t think he has Tyreek Hill upside, not as fast and not built to take hits.
RE: Thank you M.S,  
M.S. : 2/25/2021 8:51 am : link
In comment 15161060 Bill2 said:
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For providing us all these mocks and player evaluations

Especially during this dry spell for football news

My pleasure. Truth is, I've been obsessed with the NFL Draft for way too many decades, and with the Giants play "somewhat" less than stellar, my Draft obsession has gotten even worse!
The better pick as a franchise  
GiantsRage2007 : 2/25/2021 8:56 am : link
Is always the more highly rated player regardless of his position

This probably is Parsons or one of the CBs or ? but the Giants put themselves in a position that they NEED offense.

You can't score 15ppg and win in this league unless you have a really really good defense. Even then your room for error is very small.

Best case scenario: they get a stud FA wr and take BPA on the board in rd 1, even if it's on D, then pick up another wr or te in later rounds.

Guess we'll see how FA shakes out.
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Bill2 : 2/25/2021 8:57 am : link
Understood.

Same here. I focus more on how they can improve precisely because the product on the field has often approached unwatchable in some recent years.

Take care
I like the talent on defense lining up at #11  
JonC : 2/25/2021 9:03 am : link
better than WR or OL.

NYG could have one of Parsons/Farley/Surtain/Rousseau added to the ranks, and that's a big win.
I am really warming up to Farley at 11...  
Capt. Don : 2/25/2021 9:45 am : link
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RE: I am really warming up to Farley at 11...  
bw in dc : 2/25/2021 10:19 am : link
In comment 15161134 Capt. Don said:
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More of us should. He's the real deal. Can play tight, soft, and zone. And he will close very strongly on the ball.
By the way, given that it's almost a 100% certainty that Jacksonville  
M.S. : 2/25/2021 10:28 am : link

selects Trevor Lawrence, that sorta means that the Draft really starts with the Jets at #2.

If they believe in Darnold, then the Jets could be sitting on a gold mind of picks! They already have two selections in Round 1 (#2 and #23) and two in round 3 (#66 and #87), not to mention the second pick in Round two (#34).

Now, suppose they trade out of the 2-hole. They could end up with 7 or more picks in the first three rounds.
I think draftniks are saying Waddle because of similarities to OBJ  
sb from NYT Forum : 2/25/2021 10:36 am : link
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Is Farley injury prone??  
Rick in Dallas : 2/25/2021 11:02 am : link
ACL in 2017 and back surgery in 2019.Better do your homework on Farley??
Draft comments  
Colin@gbn : 2/25/2021 11:27 am : link
Morning guys: Thanks again for the plug M.S. The support is always appreciated.

As we noted in a special note on this mock for the Giants report on our site, trying to predict what the Giants will do at #11 is kind of like playing whack-a-mole! Fact is one can make a very good case for just about every one of the top guys who could be available at that spot. At the same time, there are other ways that the Giants should be able to address the areas that they aren't address with their opening round pick. So if the Giants don't take a WR like Waddle at #11 they should be able to add to their receiver corps in rounds through 2-4. They may not get the same quality of explosive playmaker that Waddle provides, but there is still going to be plenty of size and speed at the position well into the third day.

Make no mistake about it though but Waddle is a legit top ten prospect with big-play potential both as a receiver and returner. And as we said in the GR introductory note, heading into the draft we don't think there's much doubt that the Giants #1 objective will be to get some playmakers on offense.

But again you can make a case for each of the top defensive prospects potentially available at #10. The one guy we think is really intriguing is Rousseau. You watch him on tape and he's tough to grade because he lined up all over the field every where it seemed but as a traditional DE. As a result you don't see much in the way of polished pass rush moves. What you do see though is an explosive first step and special closing speed. And what makes an ER like Rousseau so intriguing is that unlike the other positions where other options are available to a reasonable degree, its going to be much harder to address the pass rush outside that top pick. Somewhat shockingly the team that made the statement 'you can never have enough good pass rushers' famous hasn't taken a DE with a first or second round pick in over a decade since they took JPP in 2010!

And while we believe that the Giants will enter the draft with the primary goal of adding a playmaker on offense, with a corner as the likely fall back position, in the end it will come down which player the Giants really like as an organization. And while we can argue until the cows come home which guy or position we like etc without knowing what they are thinking as an organization all that debate takes on a whack-a-mole character of its own.

Fortunately, we've only got hunt whack-a-moles for another 62 days and then we'll know for sure!
RE: Unfortunately...  
Thegratefulhead : 2/25/2021 12:05 pm : link
In comment 15161079 bw in dc said:
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Waddle is a remote thrower. Loved him last year, but the injury is a turn off at #11. And I’m not convinced he can wear the #1 hat.

Under the scenario, I’d take Slater or Farley (coin toss) and then Parsons.

Farley is the best corner in the draft. And Slater is probably the most versatile OL. Both would be good investments.
I think remote thrower is hyperbole. Of the guys that are often projected to us, I like him the least but it would not break my heart. If he can have Deshaun Jackson type career I am down. I think he is that and maybe more. If he passes the medicals I wont throw the remote.
Waddle  
Thegratefulhead : 2/25/2021 12:13 pm : link
is the type of player defenses must account for. With some pre snap motion it will make it easier for Daniel to know where to go with the ball. Waddle can score on the crosses just like OBJ did.
Colin, interesting thoughts  
M.S. : 2/25/2021 12:18 pm : link

much appreciate your perspective.

My personal bias is for the Giants to snag a WR at #11, but if they go in another direction, I would love to see them get USC's Amon-Ra St. Brown in Round Two (or possibly Round Three.) I've become enamored with his play. He may not be able to consistently get separation or rip the top off a secondary, but he comes up with 50/50 balls; seems to always move the chains; and can really track the ball. He has decent size and he just looks like a gamer to me.

As you said, 62 days until the Draft. Next two months should be very exciting. As always, looking forward to your coverage!

@Colin  
JonC : 2/25/2021 12:18 pm : link
Thanks for jumping in. A couple of us have heard the Giants really like Waddle, so he figures to be a top target. Let's see if we hear more on interest in him. Behind him I've been focusing on Parsons/Farley/Surtain/Rousseau as potential targets, as the Giants have got to plug impact talent into this boring roster.
RE: @Colin  
Thegratefulhead : 2/25/2021 12:27 pm : link
In comment 15161379 JonC said:
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Thanks for jumping in. A couple of us have heard the Giants really like Waddle, so he figures to be a top target. Let's see if we hear more on interest in him. Behind him I've been focusing on Parsons/Farley/Surtain/Rousseau as potential targets, as the Giants have got to plug impact talent into this boring roster.
I am hoping for in this order.

Parsons (I think he can be a devastating rusher if asked)
Rousseau
Either CB( I waffle on which one I like more)
Sewell
Pitts
Slater
Waddle/Smith

RE: RE: Really hope we don’t go Waddle  
GoDeep13 : 2/25/2021 12:28 pm : link
In comment 15161068 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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the bust potential is enormous.



Why so? (I'm seriously asking) Bama players, especially at WR, seem to do well.
Limited production. Limited route tree. Speedster coming off a significant ankle injury (speedsters and lower extremity injuries are a bad combination. Especially since he had to have a metal plate put in his ankle.) By medical accounts (and Even Waddle) the ankle was healed during the championship game but he just felt uncomfortable running on it.
Medical Depth on Waddle’s injury - ( New Window )
the more I study  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 2/25/2021 12:36 pm : link
all these prospects, the more and more I'm starting to fall in love with Patrick Surtain. He's easily my favorite defender among the guys projected to be around the Giants' range.
agree Waddle is a big risk. I hope they go with one of the  
Victor in CT : 2/25/2021 12:41 pm : link
defensive players mentioned here. Or maybe Slater. He seems to be moving up the charts.
RE: RE: RE: Really hope we don’t go Waddle  
Thegratefulhead : 2/25/2021 12:44 pm : link
In comment 15161389 GoDeep13 said:
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In comment 15161065 UConn4523 said:


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the bust potential is enormous.



Why so? (I'm seriously asking) Bama players, especially at WR, seem to do well.

Limited production. Limited route tree. Speedster coming off a significant ankle injury (speedsters and lower extremity injuries are a bad combination. Especially since he had to have a metal plate put in his ankle.) By medical accounts (and Even Waddle) the ankle was healed during the championship game but he just felt uncomfortable running on it. Medical Depth on Waddle’s injury - ( New Window )
Ty for the link. It actually encourages me about his injury

Waddle’s recovery will be measured in months, not weeks, but it’s far from a death blow to his NFL prospects. Surgery should be able to ensure the ankle heals in a stable position, and strengthening the ligaments with an operation and during rehabilitation can actually make the ligaments stronger than they were prior to the injury. It will take plenty of work, but barring a setback during rehab, he should still be a first round draft pick this spring. Here’s hoping everything goes as planned with his surgery and recovery
If the Giants have concerns about Waddle, and he's on the board,  
81_Great_Dane : 2/25/2021 3:46 pm : link
they should be able to trade down a few spots and still get a stud.

Several of the top WRs in this draft have injury concerns, notably Waddle, Rondale Moore and Tutu Atwell. I can understand shying away from them, despite their upside. There are a lot of guys without those concerns, in all shapes and sizes.
Thanks for providing the background info  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/25/2021 4:05 pm : link
It was a good read.



RE: RE: @Colin  
giantstock : 2/26/2021 11:42 am : link
In comment 15161387 Thegratefulhead said:
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Thanks for jumping in. A couple of us have heard the Giants really like Waddle, so he figures to be a top target. Let's see if we hear more on interest in him. Behind him I've been focusing on Parsons/Farley/Surtain/Rousseau as potential targets, as the Giants have got to plug impact talent into this boring roster.

I am hoping for in this order.

Parsons (I think he can be a devastating rusher if asked)
Rousseau
Either CB( I waffle on which one I like more)
Sewell
Pitts
Slater
Waddle/Smith


I'd prefer the following if these 5 were available:

1-- Sewell
2-- Parsons
3-- Pitts/Waddle/Smith

Choosing between Pitts/Waddle/Smith is preference. I'd lean toward Pitts as 1st but okay with other elite picks.

No way should GMEN pass on Sewell. You'd all but be ensured that the GMEN would have a running game along with DJones should be at worst decent enough.

Parsons sound awesome if no Sewell but I can understand other options. I would not be happy at all if they had chance to get Sewell and passed however.


Farley or Phillips if the board fell that way  
jeff57 : 2/26/2021 11:46 am : link
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