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Per @DDuggan21: #Giants and Leonard Williams “aren’t close” to reaching an agreement on a contract extension. The deadline for team’s to use franchise tag is March 9.
Just to add context to this, not being close to an agreement now isn't a big deal. If they're not close in two weeks, then it becomes a big deal. Deadlines drive action in the NFL, so the picture will be much clearer by March 9
You know that's a lot of anger for someone not on your radar.
Just wanted to point that out
Those saying give the money to Tomlinson. To my eye his performance improved when LW came aboard as did the overall defense. Adding a impact corner or LB/edge and this is a very good defense. The can win the East with that.
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It was a dipshit poster getting his tampon stuck over me responding to his post and asking to be removed from a "stalker list" as though he's even on my radar to begin with. I should have been clearer toward him to not flatter himself. There are some posters who I do keep an eye out for - he's not one of them, but maybe he can be dumb enough to reach that level - he's certainly aiming for it.
You know that's a lot of anger for someone not on your radar.
Just wanted to point that out
Ok thanks.
You WEREN'T on the radar. Doesn't mean you're not now.
Ok thanks.
You WEREN'T on the radar. Doesn't mean you're not now.
I guess I'm in trouble than,all tough guys talk like that
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Otherwise, what was the purpose of trading for him from another team. Can understand to some degree that both parties have to be on the same page to get a deal done, therefore last year's tag was understandable since the Giants probably had to save face on the picks used.
So true. That was the missed window - from the day the trade was executed right up until the season ended in 2019.
Recall a popular sentiment was "You don't think Gettleman has an understanding what it is going to take to sign him after trading for him?".
Something along the lines of a handshake and $10-12M/year seemed to be the strike price back then...
:-)
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Otherwise, what was the purpose of trading for him from another team. Can understand to some degree that both parties have to be on the same page to get a deal done, therefore last year's tag was understandable since the Giants probably had to save face on the picks used.
So true. That was the missed window - from the day the trade was executed right up until the season ended in 2019.
Recall a popular sentiment was "You don't think Gettleman has an understanding what it is going to take to sign him after trading for him?".
Something along the lines of a handshake and $10-12M/year seemed to be the strike price back then...
:-)
lol
Was providing the BBI market value...
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They have Mahomes in good position . Same as Hill , et al. They’ve been to the last 2 Super Bowls . I was listening to Moving the Chains , yesterday . Jim & Pat were talking about how astute and creative Chiefs’ management is negotiating their contracts.
Then there are the New York Giants , who, make sure , are about to lose their best player . The 4-6 win Giants . What does this clown have to do to get let go ? I say it’s not getting Leonard done on a long -term deal . Forget tagging him . Get it done , or be gone , maybe Abrams , too . Geezus look like a professional organization for a change , will you ?
They have Mahomes in a good position?? His contract is massive, and the impact will soon have significant ramifications. It already may have. They had zero depth on the OL, which just possibly cost them a title. They will be constricted on who they can sign going forward and who they can keep. Mahomes basically signed a contract that has $400M in guarantees!
Our resident contrarian has entered the fray.
LOL. And therein lies a problem. If you consider yourself one of the voices of the majority, you might want to relook at things.
Just because a few people are screaming from the rooftops that everything sucks doesn't make the opposing viewpoint contrarian.
Odd that you don't know the fucking meaning of the word for such a learned man....
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Ok thanks.
You WEREN'T on the radar. Doesn't mean you're not now.
I guess I'm in trouble than,all tough guys talk like that
It's not like I'm going to kick your ass through the keyboard and screen, and I'm not threatening to.
But when you can actually write something of value to this message board, then you can try to dog me. Until then, you're an ignorable tool. Step up your game, I'm sure the board will appreciate it.
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They have Mahomes in good position . Same as Hill , et al. They’ve been to the last 2 Super Bowls . I was listening to Moving the Chains , yesterday . Jim & Pat were talking about how astute and creative Chiefs’ management is negotiating their contracts.
Then there are the New York Giants , who, make sure , are about to lose their best player . The 4-6 win Giants . What does this clown have to do to get let go ? I say it’s not getting Leonard done on a long -term deal . Forget tagging him . Get it done , or be gone , maybe Abrams , too . Geezus look like a professional organization for a change , will you ?
They have Mahomes in a good position?? His contract is massive, and the impact will soon have significant ramifications. It already may have. They had zero depth on the OL, which just possibly cost them a title. They will be constricted on who they can sign going forward and who they can keep. Mahomes basically signed a contract that has $400M in guarantees!
Our resident contrarian has entered the fray.
LOL. And therein lies a problem. If you consider yourself one of the voices of the majority, you might want to relook at things.
Just because a few people are screaming from the rooftops that everything sucks doesn't make the opposing viewpoint contrarian.
Odd that you don't know the fucking meaning of the word for such a learned man....
Wait, do you think you have extra strength behind your posts because some sort of never-been-counted majority agrees with you?
You don't even know what analytics are, as evidenced by your post last week about the Wentz trade. Am I supposed to be shuddering at the thought of being on the short end of a BBI headcount?
Mahomes had a cap hit of 5.3M in 2020. His deal doesn't exceed 15% of the total project cap until 2023. His deal was/is not cap prohibitive in 20/21/22.
And his deal isn't basically 400M in guarantees. It has a leading 2 year guarantee structure. Starting this league year the following 2 years are guaranteed on a rolling basis. That turns into a rolling one year starting in 2026.
They can cut him before the league year starts in 2026 and spread his guaranteed roster bonus across 26/27 with a dead cap hit of 19.4M dollars each year.
About 260M of his deal is basically not guaranteed.
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but if the Giants signed Ryan with the notion that of hoping Williams doesn't ask too much because this deal precludes us from paying top end money, we have some really big problems here.
It was more about keeping Ryan might mean letting Tomlinson go, which I'd posted a few months ago before they extended him. As much as you're able to move cap charges into future years, it does become finite in terms of actual 2021 cap dollars available.
that's fair. I could probably live with a trade of DT for Ryan, although I don't love it.
I still say this team has no business letting good or better homegrown talent get away unless that player is out of his mind with money demands. This isn't the end of a run where the team needs to reset things.
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They have Mahomes in good position . Same as Hill , et al. They’ve been to the last 2 Super Bowls . I was listening to Moving the Chains , yesterday . Jim & Pat were talking about how astute and creative Chiefs’ management is negotiating their contracts.
Then there are the New York Giants , who, make sure , are about to lose their best player . The 4-6 win Giants . What does this clown have to do to get let go ? I say it’s not getting Leonard done on a long -term deal . Forget tagging him . Get it done , or be gone , maybe Abrams , too . Geezus look like a professional organization for a change , will you ?
They have Mahomes in a good position?? His contract is massive, and the impact will soon have significant ramifications. It already may have. They had zero depth on the OL, which just possibly cost them a title. They will be constricted on who they can sign going forward and who they can keep. Mahomes basically signed a contract that has $400M in guarantees!
Our resident contrarian has entered the fray.
LOL. And therein lies a problem. If you consider yourself one of the voices of the majority, you might want to relook at things.
Just because a few people are screaming from the rooftops that everything sucks doesn't make the opposing viewpoint contrarian.
Odd that you don't know the fucking meaning of the word for such a learned man....
Wait, do you think you have extra strength behind your posts because some sort of never-been-counted majority agrees with you?
You don't even know what analytics are, as evidenced by your post last week about the Wentz trade. Am I supposed to be shuddering at the thought of being on the short end of a BBI headcount?
tough day for the resident contrarian...
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They have Mahomes in a good position?? His contract is massive, and the impact will soon have significant ramifications. It already may have. They had zero depth on the OL, which just possibly cost them a title. They will be constricted on who they can sign going forward and who they can keep. Mahomes basically signed a contract that has $400M in guarantees!
Mahomes had a cap hit of 5.3M in 2020. His deal doesn't exceed 15% of the total project cap until 2023. His deal was/is not cap prohibitive in 20/21/22.
And his deal isn't basically 400M in guarantees. It has a leading 2 year guarantee structure. Starting this league year the following 2 years are guaranteed on a rolling basis. That turns into a rolling one year starting in 2026.
They can cut him before the league year starts in 2026 and spread his guaranteed roster bonus across 26/27 with a dead cap hit of 19.4M dollars each year.
About 260M of his deal is basically not guaranteed.
Someone please check the facts and get this sorted out!
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Otherwise, what was the purpose of trading for him from another team. Can understand to some degree that both parties have to be on the same page to get a deal done, therefore last year's tag was understandable since the Giants probably had to save face on the picks used.
So true. That was the missed window - from the day the trade was executed right up until the season ended in 2019.
Recall a popular sentiment was "You don't think Gettleman has an understanding what it is going to take to sign him after trading for him?".
Something along the lines of a handshake and $10-12M/year seemed to be the strike price back then...
:-)
That was a very interesting time.
Indeed, the DG Club was oozing with confidence that DG had Team LW locked down for a very team friendly deal...
So we traded for a guy despite the fact we were going nowhere in 2019 at the time of acquisition. And we really went nowhere in 2020, except that we played in one of the worst divisions ever. Making 2020 a complete mirage...
BTW, with LW in the line-up after the trade on Oct 28, 2019, we are 8-16. A robust 33% winning %.
Yeah, "great trade"...
Assuming proof will flow in now from posters stating that he wouldn't ever have gotten to free agency or we would never have been successful in signing him in 2020 free agency versus other teams.
Ponderous I tell you...
Agreed JonC. Would like to really be able to add to the offense here in free agency and maybe grab another decent Cornerback, otherwise it makes the Draft so pressing with so few picks.
Hopefully something fair comes out from L. Williams and Dalvin Tomlinson to make it all work reasonably well.
On the face of it, this deal looks somewhat light in guaranteed money. Only $63.1 million is fully guaranteed at signing, with $10 million of that a signing bonus. The other guaranteed money is Mahomes’ base salary in 2020, 2021, and 2022.
As part of the contract extension, Patrick Mahomes has $141 million in injury guarantees. While these guarantee numbers may seem on the light side, the contract is structured to ensure Mahomes is protected for the majority of the deal.
The contract contains a clever structure of guarantees
There were many who were shocked that Mahomes only got around a third of the deal in guarantees, and less than 15 percent fully guaranteed at signing. However, the structure of the deal means that the Chiefs will struggle to release Mahomes without incurring big dead money charges.
Patrick Mahomes’ contract extension has a set of rolling guarantees
In order to protect Patrick Mahomes in the future, he and his agent, Leigh Steinberg, put together a clever system of rolling guarantees in the contract extension.
Through 2024, money in the contract guarantees two years in advance. In 2025, the roster bonus becomes guaranteed in 2023, with the remainder becoming guaranteed in 2024. In the final seven years of the deal, at least a portion of the following year’s salary becomes guaranteed a year in advance.
Here are the details of when each part of his contract becomes guaranteed and how much (per Spotrac; all third day of the league year unless stated).
2021: 2023 salary & roster bonus + workout bonus fully guarantees
2022: 2024 salary & roster bonus + workout bonus fully guarantees
2023: 2025 roster bonus + workout bonus fully guarantees
2024: 2025 salary + workout bonus fully guarantees
2025: 2026 roster bonus fully guarantees
2026: 2026 salary + workout bonus, 2027 roster bonus fully guarantees
2027: 2027 salary + workout bonus + 2028 salary + 2028 roster bonus fully guarantees
2028: 2029 salary + workout bonus & 2029 roster bonus fully guarantees
2029: 2030 salary & 2030 roster bonus fully guarantees
2030: 2031 roster bonus fully guarantees
2031: 2031 base salary fully guarantees
It can be described as the latest innovation in the evolution of pro football contracts. The first five years—and roughly $140 million—of Mahomes’s deal are guaranteed against injury. But for each year that he remains on the Chiefs’ roster, significant, eight-figure chunks—at least $21.7 million (’21) and as much as $49.4 million (’27)—become guaranteed. There are buyout opportunities, but those very guarantees make releasing Mahomes in any one season prohibitively expensive, which to his reps means that Mahomes basically signed a guaranteed contract, without the Chiefs needing to lay out over $400 million up front.
In the improbable event he is let go, he would then hit the open market.
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Team Mahomes sought to find a permissible route around the cash-up-front rule. They settled on a clunky term: guarantee mechanisms.
It can be described as the latest innovation in the evolution of pro football contracts. The first five years—and roughly $140 million—of Mahomes’s deal are guaranteed against injury. But for each year that he remains on the Chiefs’ roster, significant, eight-figure chunks—at least $21.7 million (’21) and as much as $49.4 million (’27)—become guaranteed. There are buyout opportunities, but those very guarantees make releasing Mahomes in any one season prohibitively expensive, which to his reps means that Mahomes basically signed a guaranteed contract, without the Chiefs needing to lay out over $400 million up front.
In the improbable event he is let go, he would then hit the open market.
Do you know what benefit, if any, there was to the Chiefs structuring it this way?
The fact that this 6 win team has cap issues is a huge indictment of the GM and the "cap guru".
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How much did Mahomes get in guaranteed money?
On the face of it, this deal looks somewhat light in guaranteed money. Only $63.1 million is fully guaranteed at signing, with $10 million of that a signing bonus. The other guaranteed money is Mahomes’ base salary in 2020, 2021, and 2022.
As part of the contract extension, Patrick Mahomes has $141 million in injury guarantees. While these guarantee numbers may seem on the light side, the contract is structured to ensure Mahomes is protected for the majority of the deal.
The contract contains a clever structure of guarantees
There were many who were shocked that Mahomes only got around a third of the deal in guarantees, and less than 15 percent fully guaranteed at signing. However, the structure of the deal means that the Chiefs will struggle to release Mahomes without incurring big dead money charges.
Patrick Mahomes’ contract extension has a set of rolling guarantees
In order to protect Patrick Mahomes in the future, he and his agent, Leigh Steinberg, put together a clever system of rolling guarantees in the contract extension.
Through 2024, money in the contract guarantees two years in advance. In 2025, the roster bonus becomes guaranteed in 2023, with the remainder becoming guaranteed in 2024. In the final seven years of the deal, at least a portion of the following year’s salary becomes guaranteed a year in advance.
Here are the details of when each part of his contract becomes guaranteed and how much (per Spotrac; all third day of the league year unless stated).
2021: 2023 salary & roster bonus + workout bonus fully guarantees
2022: 2024 salary & roster bonus + workout bonus fully guarantees
2023: 2025 roster bonus + workout bonus fully guarantees
2024: 2025 salary + workout bonus fully guarantees
2025: 2026 roster bonus fully guarantees
2026: 2026 salary + workout bonus, 2027 roster bonus fully guarantees
2027: 2027 salary + workout bonus + 2028 salary + 2028 roster bonus fully guarantees
2028: 2029 salary + workout bonus & 2029 roster bonus fully guarantees
2029: 2030 salary & 2030 roster bonus fully guarantees
2030: 2031 roster bonus fully guarantees
2031: 2031 base salary fully guarantees
It's still not a fully guaranteed $400M. In fact, you'll note that the advance timing of the guarantees decreases over time - some of those roster bonuses might theoretically never get paid.
To put it in actionable terms, if the Chiefs were to cut Mahomes on March 1st, 2023 - after all the initially guaranteed salary has been paid, how much dead money would they assume? How much will they have paid in accrued salary plus dead money as of that date?
We both know it's not $400M (by my math, it's more like $135M total paid + dead at that point). Rolling guarantees for bonuses and salaries may seem innovative, but this is really just an earlier trigger on the same sort of roster bonus structure that the Giants used in Eli's contract, which can significantly reduce the team's benefit in cutting the player, but aren't guaranteed until they're actually triggered.
So that begs the question - were you misinformed in your previous post, or were you intentionally misleading others to keep your BBI majority satisfied? Given that you clearly went line by line through the Spotrac yearly contract details and deleted the rolling dead money tracker that they included for each year rather than just copying and pasting that block of text from PM's contract page, I know how it looks to me.
Interestingly, OTC reflects that KC would be cap positive if they released Mahomes at any point after the 2022 season. I will say that that doesn't seem accurate to me given the rolling guarantees (the way I'm reading his K, I would interpret that as always having a looming dead money hit of $35-$40M in any given year, and $50M in the 2026 league year), but I'm just sharing (link below) it for illustration.
It's certainly not a given that Mahomes will receive all $400M of those purported guarantees unless his play on the field continues to justify it. It would be painful to release him at any point, but it's not like there's a $400M dead money hit waiting for KC if they did need to get out of the contract.
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this roster needs tons of help everywhere, and the cap is rather snug for 2021. No one wants to hear it, but it's going to be a challenge to improve the team from outside right now, and I'm interested to see their plan of attack.
The fact that this 6 win team has cap issues is a huge indictment of the GM and the "cap guru".
Check my post on the relative cap charges for the Giants and Cowboys just in one position group in Christian's cap thread. It's the little missteps like restructuring Ellison last year (because we had tried to absorb too much dead money last season) and carrying a vested veteran like Tomlinson in week 1 (even though he was way down on the depth chart) that are just as damaging, if not more so, as the steady stream of wasted low level FA signings like Toilolo.
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If the Chiefs cut Mahomes before the 3rd day of the league year in 2026 they will owe him and incur the cap hit of only the $38.9M of his roster bonus. If the operating CBA at that time allows for post-June 1 cuts, that can be spread across two years.
The salary cap projects to be well over 250M by then, that is absorbable.
The Chiefs are not locked into that deal, and the 400M dollars is not guaranteed.
Mahomes would basically get a 38.9M buyout, and both sides walk away.
That's the main reason why I don't expect the Giants to be big players in FA, at least not for the most well known names.
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On the 3rd day of the 2025 league year Mahomes $38.9 million 2026 roster bonus will be fully guaranteed. On the 3rd day of the 2026 league year the rest of Mahomes 2026 salary and his $49.4 million 2027 roster bonus become guaranteed.
If the Chiefs cut Mahomes before the 3rd day of the league year in 2026 they will owe him and incur the cap hit of only the $38.9M of his roster bonus. If the operating CBA at that time allows for post-June 1 cuts, that can be spread across two years.
The salary cap projects to be well over 250M by then, that is absorbable.
The Chiefs are not locked into that deal, and the 400M dollars is not guaranteed.
Mahomes would basically get a 38.9M buyout, and both sides walk away.
The bold is a key piece to this. If the cap gets back on pace after Covid, and the NFL strikes a new TV deal, then as a % of the projected cap Mahomes's salary does indeed become more tolerable.
Exactly. Pre-Covid, the 2023 cap was projected at 240M. Heck by 2026, you might be getting closer to 300M.
I think it's pretty silly to think the Chiefs would feel handcuffed and pay Mahomes an additional 250M+ dollars, because they didn't want to eat 38M dollars split between 2026/2027.
The contract has a natural fork in the road, by design.
p.s.--Of course the Giants and Williams aren't close on a new deal. Until the Giants apply the franchise tag, he has no incentive to commit to them before seeing what other teams are willing to offer.
Fmic - you really are a chucklehead. And this is a perfect example...you trying to exaggerate for effect to put down another poster above and throw KC under the bus for their QB deal in some silly vein attempt to defend all-things Giants. Then you want to go head-to-head with christian, Dunk and me because we know you are full of crap and let you know it when you get out of hand? Good luck with that.
The fact is the Kansas City and Mahomes both got what they wanted from this highly profiled deal. Mahomes gets plenty of cash, some decent security and also gave the Chiefs a good amount of cap flexibility over the next few years to keep a lot of the talent the team has in place and try to win some more titles. They both want that last piece and made sure it happened.
Rolling guarantees are common in NFL contracts, but typically not over the entire life of a 10-year extension like the Mahomes deal. Mahomes got $63 million fully guaranteed at signing and $103 million by March 2021. Most of the future salaries and bonuses though vest a year or two before they’re due.
As mentioned above, by some of the other posters that clearly enjoy making fun of you as much as I do, the Chiefs are not locked into that deal. Sometime in 2026 before the league year starts, they can release Mahomes and incur only a portion of that vesting schedule.
400M+ dollars is not guaranteed as you tried to infer in your silly exaggerating post that started all this.
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The bold is a key piece to this. If the cap gets back on pace after Covid, and the NFL strikes a new TV deal, then as a % of the projected cap Mahomes's salary does indeed become more tolerable.
Exactly. Pre-Covid, the 2023 cap was projected at 240M. Heck by 2026, you might be getting closer to 300M.
I think it's pretty silly to think the Chiefs would feel handcuffed and pay Mahomes an additional 250M+ dollars, because they didn't want to eat 38M dollars split between 2026/2027.
The contract has a natural fork in the road, by design.
If I'm reading Mahomes's contract correctly, the Chiefs have no dead money by 2025. In fact, the biggest dead cap hits are in '21 and '22, $60M and $35M, respectively. Then peanuts until 2025 when it hits zero.
And those aren't guaranteed until the "3rd day of the league year" trip wire. So there are some built in escape hatches/adjustment opportunities along the way.
But lets ask Fmic to weigh in as he knows when the $400M+ of guaranteed payments comes due...
That’s the inflection point. They can get out right there because no future years are guaranteed. They can pay him 38M and walk.
It’s a lot of money in his pocket. He’ll have earned about 225M in 6 years. But it’s not a 400M tragedy.
Assuming proof will flow in now from posters stating that he wouldn't ever have gotten to free agency or we would never have been successful in signing him in 2020 free agency versus other teams.
Ponderous I tell you...
That trade made no sense to me when it was made and still doesn't today. It wasn't as if the Giants needed Williams to make the playoffs the year of the trade.
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free agency and bid for his services there. Particularly knowing they didn't have a signed deal in hand with LW as part of the trade with the Jets.
Assuming proof will flow in now from posters stating that he wouldn't ever have gotten to free agency or we would never have been successful in signing him in 2020 free agency versus other teams.
Ponderous I tell you...
That trade made no sense to me when it was made and still doesn't today. It wasn't as if the Giants needed Williams to make the playoffs the year of the trade.
They were decimated with injuries and opt-outs, shuffling players in and around that starting lineup, and still managed to make it to the Super Bowl supporting a high powered offense.
The Eric Fisher injury may have just been the final straw that broke the camel's back. Especially against a team built to take advantage of it from both edges.
They had Fisher until late in the game in the AFC Championship game. Losing him was a disaster.
How do you get to.. "on the cusp of something"?. Seems to me, you sign talent and improve. I believe we are (finally) on the cusp of competing at a high level NOW, and one reason is the acquisition of Williams.
Last year, that's in the same time frame that we "stole" Williams, Indy acquired DeForest Buckner - same position, same age, both superb impact players. Indy gave up a top 15 pick in the first round and paid the man 21 million - thereby setting the market.
If the Giants indeed, are "on the cusp' it's because of the signing and bottom line is we stole the guy.
He is much better than a nice solid player. Somebody posted Aaron Donald's key stats vs Leonard Williams. They were very close, I think Donald had two more sacks.
He is not Aaron Donald, nobody is. But Williams is in that upper tier DT/DE level. I think with a solid OLB/ER he will get more than 11 1/2 sacks...
Who else is there? Do you remember how bad it was from 2017 til 2019?
Is he? He's only done it for one season.
If next season he finishes with 5.5 sacks, you good with that?
Not sure why anyone is ready to believe after a year that's wildly outside of anything he's done in his career before, we're ready to say "Oh yes, Leonard Williams is a top 10 pass rusher in the NFL.
You can cite all the "he creates pressures, it's not about just sacks" metrics you want, if you are paying 19-20m for a defensive linemen, he has to get to the QB and bring him down consistently.
The reason nobody could stand the sight of Olivier Vernon is they were paying him 15m+ a year and he never really got to the QB. He just collected a lot of pressures.
A lot of BBI will point at any given one of those missteps and argue that it didn't sink the team.
Add them all up, though, and they make a difference.
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Otherwise, what was the purpose of trading for him from another team. Can understand to some degree that both parties have to be on the same page to get a deal done, therefore last year's tag was understandable since the Giants probably had to save face on the picks used.
So true. That was the missed window - from the day the trade was executed right up until the season ended in 2019.
Recall a popular sentiment was "You don't think Gettleman has an understanding what it is going to take to sign him after trading for him?".
Something along the lines of a handshake and $10-12M/year seemed to be the strike price back then...
:-)
That was a very interesting time.
Indeed, the DG Club was oozing with confidence that DG had Team LW locked down for a very team friendly deal...
So we traded for a guy despite the fact we were going nowhere in 2019 at the time of acquisition. And we really went nowhere in 2020, except that we played in one of the worst divisions ever. Making 2020 a complete mirage...
BTW, with LW in the line-up after the trade on Oct 28, 2019, we are 8-16. A robust 33% winning %.
Yeah, "great trade"...
You really are one of the more ridiculous anti NYG posters ever. Give yourself a cookie.