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Judge_and_Jury : 2/25/2021 11:39 am
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Russell Wilson's camp has approached the Seattle Seahawks for a potential trade, per @MikeDugar, @SandoNFL and @JaysonJenks

Potential destinations include: Dolphins, Jets, Saints, and Raiders.

Wow...just wow.
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RE: Big Dead Cap hit for them  
giants#1 : 2/25/2021 12:15 pm : link
In comment 15161349 Eli Wilson said:
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$58MM if he's traded this off-season.


Not quite that bad. *Only* $39M dead money if he's traded since his $19M base is picked up by the acquiring team. It would cost an additional $7M in 2021 cap space for Seattle though, so no clue why they would do it.
If I had to guess  
BigBlueShock : 2/25/2021 12:17 pm : link
Seattle would fire Carroll before trading Wilson. Carroll has probably exceeded his expiration date in Seattle anyways. If this is a relationship issue, Carroll is the one to go, IMO.
If Miami goes after him or Watson  
NoPeanutz : 2/25/2021 12:23 pm : link
that means that they will have spent a 1 (#5 overall) a 2 and a 5 on starting QBs that don't play. And that's all on one coach. Yikes.
RE: pretty crazy  
Toth029 : 2/25/2021 12:29 pm : link
In comment 15161348 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
[quote] that's it going down like this.

I know Seahawks fans have been pissed at Carroll's offense for a long time, sounds like Wilson feels the same way. [/quote
He literally IUST re-signed there. He had his choice of OC. He loved Schottenheimer.

Wilson didn't play well in the playoffs and when his cap figure is so high, it is harder to build around the rest of the team. Superstar QB's raise the level of the team. Don't they? Seattle hasn't been the same since LOB departed and Lynch left.
i don't think he goes anywhere this year  
GiantsFan84 : 2/25/2021 12:35 pm : link
i have a hard time evaluating wilson. he's terrific don't get me wrong but most of his plays come on scrambles and he isn't a rhythm drop back passer. i don't think he'd have a better situation than he currently has either w Metcalf and Lockett

and that team is not far off. i'd be very wary of trading for russ
What is going on  
90.Cal : 2/25/2021 12:37 pm : link
Two top 5 QB's are demanding trades... then there is that embarrassment in Green Bay with those clowns spending a first round pick on a QB, trying to push out the guy who just goes on to win the league MVP... that could be the next big name QB wanting out soon... crazy times...
RE: RE: pretty crazy  
UConn4523 : 2/25/2021 12:37 pm : link
In comment 15161392 Toth029 said:
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In comment 15161348 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
[quote] that's it going down like this.

I know Seahawks fans have been pissed at Carroll's offense for a long time, sounds like Wilson feels the same way. [/quote
He literally IUST re-signed there. He had his choice of OC. He loved Schottenheimer.

Wilson didn't play well in the playoffs and when his cap figure is so high, it is harder to build around the rest of the team. Superstar QB's raise the level of the team. Don't they? Seattle hasn't been the same since LOB departed and Lynch left.


Yes but its also drafting. The LOB was all (I believe) drafted by the Seahawks. That just nailed it and rode it all the way to a title (should have been 2).
I'd take Watson over  
HoodieGelo : 2/25/2021 12:45 pm : link
Wilson any day of the week. Deshaun is 7 years younger. Wilson chokes.
Wilson  
Sammo85 : 2/25/2021 12:46 pm : link
after a hot start had three games where he pretty much single-handedly lost them this year.

He's talented, but he's become a diva/headcase too. Doesn't take accountability for bad play and blames the "system".

Yes, his OL has been shaky too, but he's become a boom or bust QB in games.

I think the Seahawks are willing to move on and are getting annoyed with him at this point. If they can get a 1st rounder I could see them trying to get Wilson or Lance.
RE: The psychological impact  
Victor in CT : 2/25/2021 12:46 pm : link
In comment 15161319 JB_in_DC said:
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of losing at home to Colt McCoy is immense. Will shape the future of the league.


LOL.

How about the psychological impact of your HC not overriding the all time dumbest call in the history of sports costing him a 2nd SB win? Or living with the fact that he didn't have the balls to call an audible and just hand it to Lynch to win the game? They haven't had a whiff since and he's getting older.
Some reasons why Wilson wants out  
Des51 : 2/25/2021 12:54 pm : link
are in this article.
Report: Russell Wilson - ( New Window )
RE: RE: pretty crazy  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 2/25/2021 1:01 pm : link
In comment 15161392 Toth029 said:
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In comment 15161348 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
[quote] that's it going down like this.

I know Seahawks fans have been pissed at Carroll's offense for a long time, sounds like Wilson feels the same way. [/quote
He literally IUST re-signed there. He had his choice of OC. He loved Schottenheimer.

Wilson didn't play well in the playoffs and when his cap figure is so high, it is harder to build around the rest of the team. Superstar QB's raise the level of the team. Don't they? Seattle hasn't been the same since LOB departed and Lynch left.


Wilson definitely deserves some of the blame. His backyard style of playmaking needs to be toned down. But at the same time, the Seahawks' conservative and boring playcalling is something that has been very noticeable over the last couple of years.
And it's true  
Toth029 : 2/25/2021 1:11 pm : link
"Imagine being paid $35 million a year to storm out of meetings and go home to a pop star wife to vent. He has a difficult life."

He's got a big ego and feels he's better than he is.
Is there a difference  
Dnew15 : 2/25/2021 1:13 pm : link
between NFL QBs and NBA superstars anymore?
Welcome to the NBA  
HomerJones45 : 2/25/2021 1:24 pm : link
Wilson wants to run the team. They let him have his way at the beginning of the season until he turned the ball over 7 times in two games. And gee, the HC, who I guess thought he was in charge, had his own ideas and didn't take Russell's ideas to fix the offense. Russell did not take kindly to that. What no doubt made it worse was that Seattle won 6 of the next 7 games without taking Russell's suggestions so now Pete thinks he is even more in charge.

I'm guessing Seattle will demand a king's ransom and between that and Russell's contract there will be no trade (if Russell thinks he's going to tell the HC's in NO and LA how to run things, he's mistaken), and Pete and Russell will kiss and make up.
There seems to be a belief that next year is a weak QB draft class  
UberAlias : 2/25/2021 1:36 pm : link
Between the big named veterans out there and this rookie class, it sort of feels like musical chairs. Someone's going to miss out.
RE: I think this is a really  
FStubbs : 2/25/2021 1:36 pm : link
In comment 15161337 Jon in NYC said:
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dumb move. Who has a better duo of receivers than Metcalf and Lockett? Get him some OL help, he'll be fine.


It's not the weapons, it's the offensive line.
IIRC his wife loved NY and wanted  
Simms11 : 2/25/2021 2:09 pm : link
to come back. I would certainly check and see what they would want. It’s probably going to cost more then we’d be willing to pony up however and that would be both draft picks and potentially players.
RE: If Miami goes after him or Watson  
aGiantGuy : 2/25/2021 2:26 pm : link
In comment 15161384 NoPeanutz said:
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that means that they will have spent a 1 (#5 overall) a 2 and a 5 on starting QBs that don't play. And that's all on one coach. Yikes.


I don’t get this critique.
Flores, to me, is beyond reproach, he went from worse roster in the NFL to the playoffs in one year. Is being economical with draft capital somehow more important than winning?

If he gets any of these 2 QB’s, it’s game over for the AFC East, regardless of cost.
Wilson's beef is legit  
Go Terps : 2/25/2021 2:30 pm : link
Carroll does some good things as coach, but he's an albatross on the offense.
RE: RE: I think this is a really  
Toth029 : 2/25/2021 2:33 pm : link
In comment 15161483 FStubbs said:
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In comment 15161337 Jon in NYC said:


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dumb move. Who has a better duo of receivers than Metcalf and Lockett? Get him some OL help, he'll be fine.



It's not the weapons, it's the offensive line.


It's also the QB.

Sacks aren't only an OL stat.
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/25/2021 2:33 pm : link
I hope he ends up in the AFC.
If he wants Chicago  
jvm52106 : 2/25/2021 2:43 pm : link
the Bears should serious look into it.
There are about 25 teams that should be calling Seattle  
Go Terps : 2/25/2021 2:45 pm : link
Wilson's an elite player.
RE: RE: If Miami goes after him or Watson  
FatMan in Charlotte : 2/25/2021 2:50 pm : link
In comment 15161541 aGiantGuy said:
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In comment 15161384 NoPeanutz said:


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that means that they will have spent a 1 (#5 overall) a 2 and a 5 on starting QBs that don't play. And that's all on one coach. Yikes.



I don’t get this critique.
Flores, to me, is beyond reproach, he went from worse roster in the NFL to the playoffs in one year. Is being economical with draft capital somehow more important than winning?

If he gets any of these 2 QB’s, it’s game over for the AFC East, regardless of cost.


Buffalo may have a lot to say about that!
RE: RE: If Miami goes after him or Watson  
NoPeanutz : 2/25/2021 2:57 pm : link
In comment 15161541 aGiantGuy said:
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In comment 15161384 NoPeanutz said:


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that means that they will have spent a 1 (#5 overall) a 2 and a 5 on starting QBs that don't play. And that's all on one coach. Yikes.



I don’t get this critique.
Flores, to me, is beyond reproach, he went from worse roster in the NFL to the playoffs in one year. Is being economical with draft capital somehow more important than winning?

If he gets any of these 2 QB’s, it’s game over for the AFC East, regardless of cost.


It's a possible refutation about the dogma that a franchise QB is necessary to win, or it means that chickens are on their way home to roost bc Miami is on the verge of blowing so many picks.
RE: I'd take Watson over  
Section331 : 2/25/2021 2:58 pm : link
In comment 15161420 HoodieGelo said:
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Wilson any day of the week. Deshaun is 7 years younger. Wilson chokes.


I get the age thing, but Wilson has been to 2 SB's, winning one. Watson has a single playoff win.
Carrol versus Wilson  
Lines of Scrimmage : 2/25/2021 3:00 pm : link
PC has been around 10 years and 70 at season's start. His best teams were when he had a great defense and RW's contract puts enormous pressure on drafting well. I could see him willing to trade him and go back to the model that worked for him. Really depends on who is really in charge imo.

Interestingly Brady and the two Manning's are the only QB's to win a SB on second and third contracts. The money the QB's are getting nowadays makes it really hard. Something I think franchises will look more at.
What is it with all these high profile QB's...  
D HOS : 2/25/2021 3:03 pm : link
...wanting to move themselves around the league? I do not believe I have noticed this kind of a situation before. Have I just missed or forgotten about something? Or is this new? What's going on?
RE: If he wants Chicago  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/25/2021 3:04 pm : link
In comment 15161561 jvm52106 said:
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the Bears should serious look into it.


He'd be the Bears best QB in like 80 years. No joke either. That organization never strikes it big on a QB.
Agent says Wilson wants to stay in Seattle but  
shyster : 2/25/2021 3:05 pm : link
in the event of a trade he does have preferences. Will only consider Dallas, NO, Bears, Raiders.

Adam Schefter
@AdamSchefter
Russell Wilson has told the Seahawks he wants to play in Seattle but, if a trade were considered, the only teams he would go to are the Cowboys, Saints, Raiders and Bears, his agent Mark Rodgers said to ESPN.
2:28 PM · Feb 25, 2021


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Wilson's grievances...  
Jimmy Googs : 2/25/2021 3:29 pm : link
Sources have told ESPN that Wilson's frustrations with the organization go beyond pass protection and his perceived lack of say in personnel decisions relative to other top quarterbacks -- the two issues he recently cited in public interviews. Wilson also wants more of Seattle's offense to go through him, as reported in The Athletic.


Who are the other QBs that he is speaking about? Probably Tom Brady I guess, but who else...
LOL - Not Jets...  
scotepsu22 : 2/25/2021 3:58 pm : link
He mentioned Cowboys, which would make way more sense if they don't sign Dak to a long term deal.
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Banks : 2/25/2021 4:01 pm : link
yea, besides Brady, who else has great input on personnel decisions. Rodgers clearly wasn't listened to despite rumors of his begging for help for years. Wonder why they suddenly think they have such pull
when does a team finally question the wisdom of spending  
Victor in CT : 2/25/2021 4:06 pm : link
20% of the cap on 1 player?
I don’t see how Russ has an ego at all  
aGiantGuy : 2/25/2021 4:14 pm : link
In comment 15161456 Toth029 said:
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"Imagine being paid $35 million a year to storm out of meetings and go home to a pop star wife to vent. He has a difficult life."

He's got a big ego and feels he's better than he is.

I apologize in advance for the rant, but

People want a leader who cares more about winning than money, and then when someone displays exactly that, he’s a diva.

The idea that Russ has a big ego is just pure comedy, he’s raising Future’s child as his own, and is mainly stirring discontent because his wife is a superstar that needs to be in a bigger market. Easy to spin a decision designed to benefit his family as egotistic.

I know you don’t actually care about his point of view, but you can follow me if you will

Seattle had these talks with him last year when the rumors first originated, they then went “all in” with Jamal Adams and spent two first rd picks in the process. Then they spent their first round pick on a Linebacker in one of the worst draft classes for linebackers since maybe Reuben foster’s class in 2017. Seattle already had a top 5 line backing core in the entire league... All of this, only a year after they paid Wagner the highest off-ball LB contract.

That is the equivalent of us paying LW $21m a year and then going and drafting Christian Barmore at 11.

They essentially passed on Tee Higgins, Michael Pittman, Laviska Shenault, Chase Claypool, Van Jefferson, Denzel Mims; Who ALL Started Games Last Season, for Jordyn Brooks, who played less than 33% of their snaps...He was projected to go in the 3rd rd.. They then had the audacity to draft a Defensive End in the 2nd round, who didn’t play a single snap this season, passing on more offensive talent in the process.

How do you now look Russ in the eye a year later and present a case that the team will be better in 2021?

He played at an MVP level for at least half the season
Now has a 36 yr old aging Duane Brown at LT.
Their best guard, Mike Iupati, just retired
Greg Olsen just retired
They don’t have the money to franchise tag or resign Shaquille Griffin, Carlos Dunlap, or Quinton Dunbar, because you have to now pay Adams.
And you will now walk into the draft without a first rd pick
All the while, his wife is losing millions being stationed in Seattle.

Look him in the eye and tell him he’s wrong for wanting out or thinks that he’s better than he is. Seattle should be ecstatic that they have a chance to get those picks back.

All in and don’t win is the quickest path to decline, Seattle should do their best to make this a win win situation.
RE: What is it with all these high profile QB's...  
monstercoo : 2/25/2021 4:21 pm : link
In comment 15161591 D HOS said:
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...wanting to move themselves around the league? I do not believe I have noticed this kind of a situation before. Have I just missed or forgotten about something? Or is this new? What's going on?


Publicly, it gets blamed on the incompetence of their current team, but maybe they're indirectly realizing that it's hard to build a team around player that's getting so much money, so they're leaving for teams that have the other pieces.
When Wilson..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 2/25/2021 4:43 pm : link
says he wants m ore of the offense to go through him, what the hell does he want?? He threw 558 times this season. Four games he threw more than 40 passes and he never threw less than 27 times. By the way - in the games he threw more than 40 times, he was 1-3.
RE: Agent says Wilson wants to stay in Seattle but  
bw in dc : 2/25/2021 4:44 pm : link
In comment 15161596 shyster said:
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in the event of a trade he does have preferences. Will only consider Dallas, NO, Bears, Raiders.

Adam Schefter
@AdamSchefter
Russell Wilson has told the Seahawks he wants to play in Seattle but, if a trade were considered, the only teams he would go to are the Cowboys, Saints, Raiders and Bears, his agent Mark Rodgers said to ESPN.
2:28 PM · Feb 25, 2021
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Don't understand the Saints when they are completely in the abyss with the salary cap.

But Dallas makes sense for both. Dallas can throw in Dak to help offset draft picks.
RE: When Wilson..  
aGiantGuy : 2/25/2021 4:51 pm : link
In comment 15161700 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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says he wants m ore of the offense to go through him, what the hell does he want?? He threw 558 times this season. Four games he threw more than 40 passes and he never threw less than 27 times. By the way - in the games he threw more than 40 times, he was 1-3.


I think it’s just a personnel thing. I don’t think they’ve had a good draft since their famous one in 2011
Incorrect click bait  
Saquads26 : 2/25/2021 4:53 pm : link
He wants to stay but mentioned 4 teams if THEY wanted to trade him
"If a trade were considered"  
ghost718 : 2/25/2021 5:18 pm : link
So he gets on the radio and says some things,let's the team know he's unhappy.Than they have the nerve to say "If a trade were considered". As if they didn't ask,in there own little language.

At least be a proud diva
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GiantEgo : 2/25/2021 5:38 pm : link
Cheer on your favorite group of mercenaries fellows...

"They killed to earn their living and to help out the Congolese"
So looking at it from Jamal Adams’ POV  
The_Boss : 2/25/2021 9:25 pm : link
Should they move on from Wilson, they likely become the worst team in the NFC West..how’s that for karma?
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Walnut : 2/25/2021 9:32 pm : link
Not good for the league that all these QBs are asking out like this - it'll become like the NBA where the players run the asylum and control where they go
RE: RE: RE: pretty crazy  
NINEster : 2/25/2021 9:44 pm : link
In comment 15161408 UConn4523 said:
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In comment 15161392 Toth029 said:


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In comment 15161348 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
[quote] that's it going down like this.

I know Seahawks fans have been pissed at Carroll's offense for a long time, sounds like Wilson feels the same way. [/quote
He literally IUST re-signed there. He had his choice of OC. He loved Schottenheimer.

Wilson didn't play well in the playoffs and when his cap figure is so high, it is harder to build around the rest of the team. Superstar QB's raise the level of the team. Don't they? Seattle hasn't been the same since LOB departed and Lynch left.



Yes but its also drafting. The LOB was all (I believe) drafted by the Seahawks. That just nailed it and rode it all the way to a title (should have been 2).


Nice fortunate timing.

Carroll took over in 2010. From 2010-2012, great drafts. But since then not so remarkable.

The theory is Carroll took advantage of his time in the college game to scout all of those guys back then. Once all those college guys made the NFL, he no longer had the magic touch.

The Seahawks really can't draft that well. First rounders are useless to them, maybe even more so than the Rams (who at least produced Aaron Donald). Earl Thomas is probably their only really good first round pick of the last decade.

Like everything they skirted the rules a bit, got lucky, and played in 2 SBs. Since then all they've been able to do is be competitive in the regular season but not postseason.

RE: When Wilson..  
NINEster : 2/25/2021 10:04 pm : link
In comment 15161700 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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says he wants m ore of the offense to go through him, what the hell does he want?? He threw 558 times this season. Four games he threw more than 40 passes and he never threw less than 27 times. By the way - in the games he threw more than 40 times, he was 1-3.


It legitimately wasn't until 2019 that Wilson as a volume passer was actually a better than average to really good QB. Before then, the results always skewed to the Seahawks playing better with him throwing less.

And even in the last two years, he hasn't produced throwing a lot late in the season or if defenses get clever taking away his deep ball.

RE: IIRC his wife loved NY and wanted  
JohnF : 2/26/2021 8:30 am : link
In comment 15161517 Simms11 said:
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to come back. I would certainly check and see what they would want. It’s probably going to cost more then we’d be willing to pony up however and that would be both draft picks and potentially players.


Wilson coming to NY is unlikely. However, if George was still alive, you might have seen this!

RE: There are about 25 teams that should be calling Seattle  
allstarjim : 2/26/2021 11:06 pm : link
In comment 15161564 Go Terps said:
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Wilson's an elite player.


Agreed. If ranking teams by howuch they've cared to invest in the OL, Seattle, if not 32nd, is near the bottom.

I don't get the critique of Wilson playing "backyard football" or not playing in the flow of the offense when he's been running for his life for years. It's a testament to his greatness that they've won as much as they have and that the offense has put up as many points as they have despite having a perennially untalented, substandard OL.
Threads about Russell Wilson and Aaron Rodgers  
Jimmy Googs : 2/27/2021 8:04 am : link
that have posters talking about these guys as chokers or not truly elite QBs because they have won only one title each never cease to amaze me.

It's basically saying that you watch football and like the Giants, but don't really understand it much...

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