Not quite that bad. *Only* $39M dead money if he's traded since his $19M base is picked up by the acquiring team. It would cost an additional $7M in 2021 cap space for Seattle though, so no clue why they would do it.
Seattle would fire Carroll before trading Wilson. Carroll has probably exceeded his expiration date in Seattle anyways. If this is a relationship issue, Carroll is the one to go, IMO.
In comment 15161348 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
[quote] that's it going down like this.
I know Seahawks fans have been pissed at Carroll's offense for a long time, sounds like Wilson feels the same way. [/quote
He literally IUST re-signed there. He had his choice of OC. He loved Schottenheimer.
Wilson didn't play well in the playoffs and when his cap figure is so high, it is harder to build around the rest of the team. Superstar QB's raise the level of the team. Don't they? Seattle hasn't been the same since LOB departed and Lynch left.
i have a hard time evaluating wilson. he's terrific don't get me wrong but most of his plays come on scrambles and he isn't a rhythm drop back passer. i don't think he'd have a better situation than he currently has either w Metcalf and Lockett
and that team is not far off. i'd be very wary of trading for russ
Two top 5 QB's are demanding trades... then there is that embarrassment in Green Bay with those clowns spending a first round pick on a QB, trying to push out the guy who just goes on to win the league MVP... that could be the next big name QB wanting out soon... crazy times...
In comment 15161348 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
[quote] that's it going down like this.
I know Seahawks fans have been pissed at Carroll's offense for a long time, sounds like Wilson feels the same way. [/quote
He literally IUST re-signed there. He had his choice of OC. He loved Schottenheimer.
Wilson didn't play well in the playoffs and when his cap figure is so high, it is harder to build around the rest of the team. Superstar QB's raise the level of the team. Don't they? Seattle hasn't been the same since LOB departed and Lynch left.
Yes but its also drafting. The LOB was all (I believe) drafted by the Seahawks. That just nailed it and rode it all the way to a title (should have been 2).
after a hot start had three games where he pretty much single-handedly lost them this year.
He's talented, but he's become a diva/headcase too. Doesn't take accountability for bad play and blames the "system".
Yes, his OL has been shaky too, but he's become a boom or bust QB in games.
I think the Seahawks are willing to move on and are getting annoyed with him at this point. If they can get a 1st rounder I could see them trying to get Wilson or Lance.
of losing at home to Colt McCoy is immense. Will shape the future of the league.
LOL.
How about the psychological impact of your HC not overriding the all time dumbest call in the history of sports costing him a 2nd SB win? Or living with the fact that he didn't have the balls to call an audible and just hand it to Lynch to win the game? They haven't had a whiff since and he's getting older.
In comment 15161348 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
[quote] that's it going down like this.
I know Seahawks fans have been pissed at Carroll's offense for a long time, sounds like Wilson feels the same way. [/quote
He literally IUST re-signed there. He had his choice of OC. He loved Schottenheimer.
Wilson didn't play well in the playoffs and when his cap figure is so high, it is harder to build around the rest of the team. Superstar QB's raise the level of the team. Don't they? Seattle hasn't been the same since LOB departed and Lynch left.
Wilson definitely deserves some of the blame. His backyard style of playmaking needs to be toned down. But at the same time, the Seahawks' conservative and boring playcalling is something that has been very noticeable over the last couple of years.
Wilson wants to run the team. They let him have his way at the beginning of the season until he turned the ball over 7 times in two games. And gee, the HC, who I guess thought he was in charge, had his own ideas and didn't take Russell's ideas to fix the offense. Russell did not take kindly to that. What no doubt made it worse was that Seattle won 6 of the next 7 games without taking Russell's suggestions so now Pete thinks he is even more in charge.
I'm guessing Seattle will demand a king's ransom and between that and Russell's contract there will be no trade (if Russell thinks he's going to tell the HC's in NO and LA how to run things, he's mistaken), and Pete and Russell will kiss and make up.
There seems to be a belief that next year is a weak QB draft class
to come back. I would certainly check and see what they would want. It’s probably going to cost more then we’d be willing to pony up however and that would be both draft picks and potentially players.
that means that they will have spent a 1 (#5 overall) a 2 and a 5 on starting QBs that don't play. And that's all on one coach. Yikes.
I don’t get this critique.
Flores, to me, is beyond reproach, he went from worse roster in the NFL to the playoffs in one year. Is being economical with draft capital somehow more important than winning?
If he gets any of these 2 QB’s, it’s game over for the AFC East, regardless of cost.
that means that they will have spent a 1 (#5 overall) a 2 and a 5 on starting QBs that don't play. And that's all on one coach. Yikes.
I don’t get this critique.
Flores, to me, is beyond reproach, he went from worse roster in the NFL to the playoffs in one year. Is being economical with draft capital somehow more important than winning?
If he gets any of these 2 QB’s, it’s game over for the AFC East, regardless of cost.
that means that they will have spent a 1 (#5 overall) a 2 and a 5 on starting QBs that don't play. And that's all on one coach. Yikes.
I don’t get this critique.
Flores, to me, is beyond reproach, he went from worse roster in the NFL to the playoffs in one year. Is being economical with draft capital somehow more important than winning?
If he gets any of these 2 QB’s, it’s game over for the AFC East, regardless of cost.
It's a possible refutation about the dogma that a franchise QB is necessary to win, or it means that chickens are on their way home to roost bc Miami is on the verge of blowing so many picks.
PC has been around 10 years and 70 at season's start. His best teams were when he had a great defense and RW's contract puts enormous pressure on drafting well. I could see him willing to trade him and go back to the model that worked for him. Really depends on who is really in charge imo.
Interestingly Brady and the two Manning's are the only QB's to win a SB on second and third contracts. The money the QB's are getting nowadays makes it really hard. Something I think franchises will look more at.
...wanting to move themselves around the league? I do not believe I have noticed this kind of a situation before. Have I just missed or forgotten about something? Or is this new? What's going on?
in the event of a trade he does have preferences. Will only consider Dallas, NO, Bears, Raiders.
Adam Schefter
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Russell Wilson has told the Seahawks he wants to play in Seattle but, if a trade were considered, the only teams he would go to are the Cowboys, Saints, Raiders and Bears, his agent Mark Rodgers said to ESPN.
2:28 PM · Feb 25, 2021
Sources have told ESPN that Wilson's frustrations with the organization go beyond pass protection and his perceived lack of say in personnel decisions relative to other top quarterbacks -- the two issues he recently cited in public interviews. Wilson also wants more of Seattle's offense to go through him, as reported in The Athletic.
Who are the other QBs that he is speaking about? Probably Tom Brady I guess, but who else...
FWIW Yes, I think the Giants should kick the tires and offer Jones and whatever they want. Also, I know it will not happen. I would try though.
Awesome - best laugh I've had so far today.
Its beyond weapons, has to be. The relationship seems fractured.
Well done here.
I know Seahawks fans have been pissed at Carroll's offense for a long time, sounds like Wilson feels the same way.
I believe Miami has it's eyes on Watson....younger and probably a better fit for what they are trying to build.
Not quite that bad. *Only* $39M dead money if he's traded since his $19M base is picked up by the acquiring team. It would cost an additional $7M in 2021 cap space for Seattle though, so no clue why they would do it.
[quote] that's it going down like this.
I know Seahawks fans have been pissed at Carroll's offense for a long time, sounds like Wilson feels the same way. [/quote
He literally IUST re-signed there. He had his choice of OC. He loved Schottenheimer.
Wilson didn't play well in the playoffs and when his cap figure is so high, it is harder to build around the rest of the team. Superstar QB's raise the level of the team. Don't they? Seattle hasn't been the same since LOB departed and Lynch left.
and that team is not far off. i'd be very wary of trading for russ
[quote] that's it going down like this.
I know Seahawks fans have been pissed at Carroll's offense for a long time, sounds like Wilson feels the same way. [/quote
He literally IUST re-signed there. He had his choice of OC. He loved Schottenheimer.
Wilson didn't play well in the playoffs and when his cap figure is so high, it is harder to build around the rest of the team. Superstar QB's raise the level of the team. Don't they? Seattle hasn't been the same since LOB departed and Lynch left.
Yes but its also drafting. The LOB was all (I believe) drafted by the Seahawks. That just nailed it and rode it all the way to a title (should have been 2).
He's talented, but he's become a diva/headcase too. Doesn't take accountability for bad play and blames the "system".
Yes, his OL has been shaky too, but he's become a boom or bust QB in games.
I think the Seahawks are willing to move on and are getting annoyed with him at this point. If they can get a 1st rounder I could see them trying to get Wilson or Lance.
LOL.
How about the psychological impact of your HC not overriding the all time dumbest call in the history of sports costing him a 2nd SB win? Or living with the fact that he didn't have the balls to call an audible and just hand it to Lynch to win the game? They haven't had a whiff since and he's getting older.
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[quote] that's it going down like this.
I know Seahawks fans have been pissed at Carroll's offense for a long time, sounds like Wilson feels the same way. [/quote
He literally IUST re-signed there. He had his choice of OC. He loved Schottenheimer.
Wilson didn't play well in the playoffs and when his cap figure is so high, it is harder to build around the rest of the team. Superstar QB's raise the level of the team. Don't they? Seattle hasn't been the same since LOB departed and Lynch left.
Wilson definitely deserves some of the blame. His backyard style of playmaking needs to be toned down. But at the same time, the Seahawks' conservative and boring playcalling is something that has been very noticeable over the last couple of years.
He's got a big ego and feels he's better than he is.
I'm guessing Seattle will demand a king's ransom and between that and Russell's contract there will be no trade (if Russell thinks he's going to tell the HC's in NO and LA how to run things, he's mistaken), and Pete and Russell will kiss and make up.
It's not the weapons, it's the offensive line.
I don’t get this critique.
Flores, to me, is beyond reproach, he went from worse roster in the NFL to the playoffs in one year. Is being economical with draft capital somehow more important than winning?
If he gets any of these 2 QB’s, it’s game over for the AFC East, regardless of cost.
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dumb move. Who has a better duo of receivers than Metcalf and Lockett? Get him some OL help, he'll be fine.
It's not the weapons, it's the offensive line.
It's also the QB.
Sacks aren't only an OL stat.
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that means that they will have spent a 1 (#5 overall) a 2 and a 5 on starting QBs that don't play. And that's all on one coach. Yikes.
I don’t get this critique.
Flores, to me, is beyond reproach, he went from worse roster in the NFL to the playoffs in one year. Is being economical with draft capital somehow more important than winning?
If he gets any of these 2 QB’s, it’s game over for the AFC East, regardless of cost.
Buffalo may have a lot to say about that!
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that means that they will have spent a 1 (#5 overall) a 2 and a 5 on starting QBs that don't play. And that's all on one coach. Yikes.
I don’t get this critique.
Flores, to me, is beyond reproach, he went from worse roster in the NFL to the playoffs in one year. Is being economical with draft capital somehow more important than winning?
If he gets any of these 2 QB’s, it’s game over for the AFC East, regardless of cost.
It's a possible refutation about the dogma that a franchise QB is necessary to win, or it means that chickens are on their way home to roost bc Miami is on the verge of blowing so many picks.
I get the age thing, but Wilson has been to 2 SB's, winning one. Watson has a single playoff win.
Interestingly Brady and the two Manning's are the only QB's to win a SB on second and third contracts. The money the QB's are getting nowadays makes it really hard. Something I think franchises will look more at.
He'd be the Bears best QB in like 80 years. No joke either. That organization never strikes it big on a QB.
Adam Schefter
@AdamSchefter
Russell Wilson has told the Seahawks he wants to play in Seattle but, if a trade were considered, the only teams he would go to are the Cowboys, Saints, Raiders and Bears, his agent Mark Rodgers said to ESPN.
2:28 PM · Feb 25, 2021
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Who are the other QBs that he is speaking about? Probably Tom Brady I guess, but who else...