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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/25/2021 6:46 pm
Let's shake off Monday's loss and give it to the Queens, as Shaq so famously called them back in the day.

LFG Knicks!
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Burks getting back on track would be really great for the offense.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/25/2021 9:40 pm : link
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Alec Burks, the hero we need.  
bceagle05 : 2/25/2021 9:44 pm : link
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Burks going crazy  
nygiants16 : 2/25/2021 9:45 pm : link
it looks like he doesnt jump
Heeeeeeeeeeee's heating up  
Greg from LI : 2/25/2021 9:46 pm : link
17 4th quarter points is nuts  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/25/2021 9:46 pm : link
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yo the Knicks are tied for the 5th seed  
nygiants16 : 2/25/2021 9:47 pm : link
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lol clyde just called the guy a ball boy  
nygiants16 : 2/25/2021 9:49 pm : link
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RE: lol clyde just called the guy a ball boy  
bceagle05 : 2/25/2021 9:50 pm : link
In comment 15161979 nygiants16 said:
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And he wants Walton fired after the game.
Halliburton is a really good young player and I'm sure he has a bright  
Anakim : 2/25/2021 9:50 pm : link
future ahead of him, but I think IQ is better now and will have a better overall career. If we took Halliburton over Obi, we probably wouldn't have taken Quickley later on.
RE: Burks does a lot of dumb shit.  
Anakim : 2/25/2021 9:51 pm : link
In comment 15161948 bceagle05 said:
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:P
RE: RE: lol clyde just called the guy a ball boy  
nygiants16 : 2/25/2021 9:51 pm : link
In comment 15161980 bceagle05 said:
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And he wants Walton fired after the game.


im surprised he wasnt fired laat year
Hey, Burks had been pretty brutal lately.  
bceagle05 : 2/25/2021 9:52 pm : link
Happy to spark a hot streak though.
Love how this team is playing..  
Sean : 2/25/2021 9:55 pm : link
Great win.
What a fun win  
adamg : 2/25/2021 9:57 pm : link
wow
its all because Frank played!!  
nygiants16 : 2/25/2021 10:00 pm : link
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Clyde is hilarious  
GMEN46 : 2/25/2021 10:01 pm : link
Saying he thought guy looked like a ball boy. What a fun team to watch. No jealously with these guys, they all really like playing with each other. Burks was great, quickly great and I know you all want Frank to fail but frankie smokes +17 2nd best on the team and the shooting form looks really good, did lots of frank things on defense. Barret played really well and didn’t force anything. Hope Payton is out for a few more games so we can watch the line up we saw tonight.
Wow, I checked out your box score  
santacruzom : 2/25/2021 10:07 pm : link
Every player on the team who took at least 4 shots was at 50 percent or better.

I can't imagine that has happened often.
Frank showed he could be a  
Carl in CT : 2/25/2021 10:10 pm : link
Nice rotation player. We just have too many bodies. Need to make a 3 for 1 trade.
RE: Frank showed he could be a  
Anakim : 2/25/2021 10:16 pm : link
In comment 15161998 Carl in CT said:
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Nice rotation player. We just have too many bodies. Need to make a 3 for 1 trade.



Even Rivers could be a nice rotation player. We've seen that from him. And Knox can provide some 3P shooting.
based on the box score  
Del Shofner : 2/25/2021 10:21 pm : link
Frank, Taj and Burks were very productive
And I'm not even crazy about trading Rivers  
Anakim : 2/25/2021 10:27 pm : link
I like him as a combo G and he's signed to a ridiculously cheap deal
Refs don't call traveling any more in this league  
GeofromNJ : 2/25/2021 10:52 pm : link
Didn't see the game, so I missed SAC's traveling if any, but Toppin took four steps before his slam on a Frank fast break pass.

The Knicks are holding their own in a league crammed with .500 teams. I would like to see Toppin progress enough to give Randle a breather. If Randle continues to play these minutes, he'll be on oxygen by April.
RE: Clyde is hilarious  
mfsd : 2/25/2021 11:00 pm : link
In comment 15161993 GMEN46 said:
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Saying he thought guy looked like a ball boy. What a fun team to watch. No jealously with these guys, they all really like playing with each other. Burks was great, quickly great and I know you all want Frank to fail but frankie smokes +17 2nd best on the team and the shooting form looks really good, did lots of frank things on defense. Barret played really well and didn’t force anything. Hope Payton is out for a few more games so we can watch the line up we saw tonight.


I don’t think anybody wants Frank to fail...we just break your stones sometimes for being such a loyal supporter of his.

I’m on record believing we should go with other guys, but if he earns his time and plays well, all the better. I’m just a fan sharing a few opinions on a message board, I’d always rather be wrong and see a guy succeed

I do wonder if he starts getting minutes in the hopes he shows something and boosts his trade value. We will see
NBA website has video of Burk's 17 point 4th quarter  
GeofromNJ : 2/25/2021 11:09 pm : link
explosion
RE: Refs don't call traveling any more in this league  
Anakim : 2/25/2021 11:16 pm : link
In comment 15162023 GeofromNJ said:
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Didn't see the game, so I missed SAC's traveling if any, but Toppin took four steps before his slam on a Frank fast break pass.

The Knicks are holding their own in a league crammed with .500 teams. I would like to see Toppin progress enough to give Randle a breather. If Randle continues to play these minutes, he'll be on oxygen by April.


Let's just say that the Kings are proficient in the Eurostep
RE: Refs don't call traveling any more in this league  
nygiants16 : 2/25/2021 11:53 pm : link
In comment 15162023 GeofromNJ said:
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Didn't see the game, so I missed SAC's traveling if any, but Toppin took four steps before his slam on a Frank fast break pass.

The Knicks are holding their own in a league crammed with .500 teams. I would like to see Toppin progress enough to give Randle a breather. If Randle continues to play these minutes, he'll be on oxygen by April.


He is playing 37 minutes a night that is normal for a teams best player
How did Halliburton look? Saw some highlights. He's been  
Jim in Hoboken : 2/25/2021 11:58 pm : link
putting a great stats, seems like a heady player, but that floating shot of his is hard to stomach.
Quick the first rookie to go at least 12-12 from the line in a game  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 2/26/2021 12:17 am : link
since Steph Curry in 2010.
RE: How did Halliburton look? Saw some highlights. He's been  
bceagle05 : 2/26/2021 12:24 am : link
In comment 15162038 Jim in Hoboken said:
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putting a great stats, seems like a heady player, but that floating shot of his is hard to stomach.

Solid overall - some great passes, disruptive on defense. Frank locked him up at times but he still scored 17 points. He may not be a future star, but he’s pretty damn good.
RE: How did Halliburton look? Saw some highlights. He's been  
Anakim : 2/26/2021 1:12 am : link
In comment 15162038 Jim in Hoboken said:
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putting a great stats, seems like a heady player, but that floating shot of his is hard to stomach.


He's really good. He is. And he's a very well-rounded player. But as I said earlier, I'm happy we didn't draft him over Obi because then we probably wouldn't have taken Quickley, who I think is better and has more potential overall.
Per Mike Vorkunov, Twitter  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/26/2021 7:17 am : link
Rookies with the most 25+ point games this season

T4. Wiseman
T4. Maxey
T4. Saddiq Bey
3. Lamelo Ball (2 games)
2. A. Edwards (3 games)
1. Quickley (4 games)

And this is not a knock on Ball. He's been really, really damn good.
I know most people don't watch postgames  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/26/2021 7:26 am : link
but if you heard Thibs talk about Quickley when asked, there wouldn't be any theorizing online that he doesn't want the kid to play. Called him a great shooter we have every confidence in because of how he works and prepares. Not paraphrasing, a direct quote. "Great shooter".
I wish  
TommyWiseau : 2/26/2021 7:43 am : link
we were able to land Lamelo and Quickley. That would have been something. Hope Obi continues to improve, I think having a top flight PG with great vision would really improve his game
RE: RE: Refs don't call traveling any more in this league  
TommyWiseau : 2/26/2021 7:48 am : link
In comment 15162037 nygiants16 said:
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Didn't see the game, so I missed SAC's traveling if any, but Toppin took four steps before his slam on a Frank fast break pass.

The Knicks are holding their own in a league crammed with .500 teams. I would like to see Toppin progress enough to give Randle a breather. If Randle continues to play these minutes, he'll be on oxygen by April.



He is playing 37 minutes a night that is normal for a teams best player


His career average is under 30. I do also agree that if Obi improves it would greatly help the team especially by keeping Randle fresh
it's very weird to me  
ryanmkeane : 2/26/2021 8:26 am : link
that Toppin struggles to dribble and handle the ball. Did he have these issues in college? Are his hands small? It seems like he's figuring out how to play basketball or something.
the Kings have a bunch of guys  
Enzo : 2/26/2021 8:46 am : link
I like but the whole seems less than the sum of the parts. Bagley, Barnes, Fox, Haliburton, and Hield are all interesting pieces of varying value, but as a group they can't stop anyone.
there was a point late  
Enzo : 2/26/2021 8:50 am : link
in the third last night when the Kings were making their run and Rose and Randle both appeared to be gassed. They both had some bad turnovers and were bricking makeable shots. Other than our defense, the other strength of the team is that we have decent depth. Thibs is just so damn rigid with this substitution patterns. Whatever, a win is a win.
Where did this notion come from  
nygiants16 : 2/26/2021 8:53 am : link
that people are rooting for Frank to fail? so if you criticize a player you are rooting for them to fail? Id rather be wrong and thr Knicks win and thebplayer plays great than be right and the team suffers..

No one is rooting for Frank to fail
this game featured the worst offensive team in the NBA (Knicks)  
Del Shofner : 2/26/2021 8:57 am : link
against the worst defensive team in the NBA (Kings), who are also one of the top offensive teams in the NBA.

The worst offensive team in the NBA scored 140 points.

I think Thibs is onto something (i.e., defense > offense). Obviously you need both though. Anyway, fun win.
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Del Shofner : 2/26/2021 8:58 am : link
In comment 15162102 nygiants16 said:
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No one is rooting for Frank to fail


There are Frank haters out there, though. :-)
RE: RE: RE: Refs don't call traveling any more in this league  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/26/2021 8:59 am : link
In comment 15162077 TommyWiseau said:
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His career average is under 30.


When he was a mediocre player, sure.

36-37 minutes is very normal. No one's going to worry about him playing 36 mpg.

Lebron is 36 years old. Nobody cares more about load managment than him, and he plays 34 minutes a night.

Chris Paul is 35 with creaky knees, plays 32 a night.
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nygiants16 : 2/26/2021 8:59 am : link
In comment 15162108 Del Shofner said:
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No one is rooting for Frank to fail



There are Frank haters out there, though. :-)


I am frank hater, i thinknhe is trash, doesnt mean i am rooting for him to fail..

and it is not Frank people hate, it his loyalists who thibk he can do no wrong
he's a restricted free agent after this season anyway, right?  
Del Shofner : 2/26/2021 9:03 am : link
I don't think he's back next year either way. They may be showcasing him to include him in a trade.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/26/2021 9:03 am : link
I don't hate Frank, though I think he's a JAG at best.
Frank as a role player is a different discussion than Frank returning  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/26/2021 9:04 am : link
his value as a top draft selection

If you just need him to play defense and score less than 10 a night, no one should be having feelings.
It’s funny besides this forum  
GMEN46 : 2/26/2021 9:15 am : link
If you go on Twitter most Knicks fans love frank and appreciate what he brings to the game. I think people in here are just hung up on the fact that he was a top 10 pick and doesn’t score a lot. To me he is still 22 and I see upside. I think he can shoot 40 percent from 3 and be a lock down individual defender and a great team defender. He has a high IQ and will do the dirty work that gets his team pumped. He is clearly not a PG because he doesn’t have a good handle, but he does exhibit other qualities that pgs have. I don’t see any reason why he cant become a 25/30 minute player in this league down the road. I see him in the final 5 of a line up down the stretch in a tight game, who can guard the other teams best player and knock down a 3 when needed, this is down the road in 3-4 years. It obviously won’t be with the Knicks. I will agree with many on here that his biggest downside is he has been very brittle.

We already know multiple contenders have tried to pry him from the Knicks, there is a reason for that. If Knicks have no intention of signing him in the offseason then I guess trading him makes sense unless you want him for the playoffs. There is no reason Payton ir bullock should be playing over him, it makes no sense.
Great win  
TyreeHelmet : 2/26/2021 9:46 am : link
This team really seems to enjoy playing together. Been a lot of fun to watch this year.

I have no idea how anyone could say that fans are rooting against Frank. If anything it’s the opposite- I’ve never seen a fan base get more excited over a guy doing so little.

At least we aren’t Kings fans. Imagine drafting Bagely over Doncic? Man oh man that’s a bad one.
it's funny  
djm : 2/26/2021 10:07 am : link
but it's quite possible the biggest road block in Frank's development or level of play has been availability. I mean it sure seems like the guy misses 50 games (60%) of every season. He's always out. Even year's past, you'd finally catch a glimpse of potential after 2-3-4 weeks of garbage play, and then he'd miss the next 1-2 months. Rinse. Repeat.

I'd sure like to see Frank stay healthy from here on out and play 15-20 mins a night, EVERY night, before we officially bury his career here.
RE: It’s funny besides this forum  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/26/2021 10:16 am : link
In comment 15162123 GMEN46 said:
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There is no reason Payton ir bullock should be playing over him, it makes no sense.


That's silly. Frank has never been able to contribute anything close to what Payton has done even in this recent stretch of good play that Payton's had. And nobody loves Payton whatsoever. They'd ship him out of town in a minute. This isn't a BBI thing.

It's fine to think Frank has potential, but he hasn't done anything to deserve taking minutes from even a guy like Payton.

RE: it's funny  
Enzo : 2/26/2021 10:27 am : link
In comment 15162197 djm said:
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but it's quite possible the biggest road block in Frank's development or level of play has been availability. I mean it sure seems like the guy misses 50 games (60%) of every season. He's always out. Even year's past, you'd finally catch a glimpse of potential after 2-3-4 weeks of garbage play, and then he'd miss the next 1-2 months. Rinse. Repeat.

I'd sure like to see Frank stay healthy from here on out and play 15-20 mins a night, EVERY night, before we officially bury his career here.

you nailed it. He's given us glimpses...and then he gets hurt. He's never going to be a starting lead guard, but I think the few things he does do well can help a team win games. I'm still holding out hope he can be our version of Marcus Smart. But he's probably going to be on another team next season.

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