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DirecTV to become standalone company. So, Sunday Ticket?

81_Great_Dane : 2/25/2021 7:57 pm
AT& T is going to separate DirecTV, spinning off the satellite service and U-verse TV.

DirecTV apparently can't afford to keep Sunday Ticket (which begs the question: Why go with DirecTV, then, unless you live somewhere remote where there's no wired service or cable?). So the leading contender for Sunday Ticket is... Amazon?!

They sure have the deep pockets and the reach.
AT&T Spins Off DirecTV to Set Stage for an NFL Sunday Ticket Shakeup - ( New Window )
Hopefully multiple  
section125 : 2/25/2021 8:05 pm : link
companies get to provide the service so that there is competition. The price was crazy.
Even without Sunday ticket  
Dr. D : 2/25/2021 8:11 pm : link
As someone who lives outside NY region, the 1 thing they offer that no other service offers is the regional sports pack. I stay with them bc of SNY and MSG. I can get games through the league passes, but not the other stuff. How could I live without hearing Sal Picata's take on NY sports? /s
Interesting  
HomerJones45 : 2/25/2021 8:19 pm : link
that getting rid of Sunday Ticket eliminates $2.5 billion in net losses I would have thought Sunday Ticket was a big money maker for DTV.
RE: Interesting  
speedywheels : 2/25/2021 8:23 pm : link
In comment 15161856 HomerJones45 said:
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that getting rid of Sunday Ticket eliminates $2.5 billion in net losses I would have thought Sunday Ticket was a big money maker for DTV.


Sunday ticket has always been a money loser - they make their money on the monthly subscription
The best news I have heard in a long time  
Chip : 2/25/2021 8:24 pm : link
Hopefully I can get it this season and won't get stuck watching Tampa.
RE: The best news I have heard in a long time  
joeinpa : 2/25/2021 8:36 pm : link
In comment 15161861 Chip said:
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Hopefully I can get it this season and won't get stuck watching Tampa.


If I read the article correctly, Direct TV will retain the NFL Sunday ticket for next season
RE: Interesting  
Gatorade Dunk : 2/25/2021 8:42 pm : link
In comment 15161856 HomerJones45 said:
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that getting rid of Sunday Ticket eliminates $2.5 billion in net losses I would have thought Sunday Ticket was a big money maker for DTV.

Think about how many fans regularly threaten to cancel their DTV account just to get the inevitable Ticket offer (either free or deeply discounted) to keep their account active. Now imagine how many people genuinely are just trying to cancel DTV and get that same offer even though that was not their intent.

It's not hard to imagine just how often DTV was probably using the Ticket as a retention tool (basically a loss leader of sorts). So I don't doubt that Sunday Ticket is a red number on DTV's budget, but I bet it used to still represent a win overall in terms of retention and growth, at least until cord-cutting became so much more prevalent and Red Zone offered a viable (less expensive and much more accessible) alternative for gamblers, who probably made up at least as much of the subscriber base as out-of-market fans did.
RedZone on Fios or other providers  
NewBlue : 2/25/2021 8:49 pm : link
The Ticket offers all the games vs simply the Redzone correct?
Sometimes the RedZone switching between games drives me nuts, when it is not a Giants window. As Direct TV was not an option for many I suppose someone else...Amazon,as some suggested here will have that offering.
I don't understand why NFL wouldn't have multiple companies offer it  
BH28 : 2/25/2021 8:50 pm : link
You can get NHL, NBA, MLB package on every single content provider
This will kill DirecTV  
yalebowl : 2/25/2021 9:05 pm : link
Without the extortion of having to subscribe to DirecTV, to be able to get the Sunday Ticket, this will be the end of DirecTV itself.

I have watched Giant games by satellite dish since 1985. Starting with the big 8–10 foot dishes I saw Giant games by satellite. The Giant home or Philadelphia games were always the hardest to find on satellite as their home games did not need to be uploaded to the satellite. CBS just sent their NFC home games by phone wires instead of satellite to their local affiliates. Only if the games were being carried to a broader region would it end up on satellite. When Fox acquired the rights to NFC home games distribution moved to the West Coast.

This was all before the Sunday Ticket. The Sunday Ticket established a legal mechanism for out-of-market home games. When the 8-10 foot dishes fell by the way side, I was forced to get the direcTV dish in order to continue to get the Sunday Ticket. In the beginning pricing was okay. Today it’s outrageous.

So unless ESPN outbids Amazon distribution by satellite will end for the Sunday Ticket.
They’ve had the ability to do it all over internet for some time  
mattlawson : 2/25/2021 9:10 pm : link
This is yet another step in the right direction. Profit motive has not forced their hand to get into a more a la carte offering. We are there. Happy I was along for the drive by that made it happen
So I have to miller the thread  
SLIM_ : 2/25/2021 9:57 pm : link
How quickly after the game ends is a game available on NFL Game Pass. I dropped Direct TV this year in place of Youtube TV so I can watch the Giants which are out of market. (Youtube TV can be set up for a different region if you have someone within that region register for you). No real interest in doing Youtube TV again and am really going off grid. I pay about $15/month for Netflix and that is it. Nothing else. Was thinking I can spend an extra $99 for the year for Gamepass if the games were available shortly after the end.
RE: RE: The best news I have heard in a long time  
81_Great_Dane : 2/25/2021 10:13 pm : link
In comment 15161883 joeinpa said:
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Hopefully I can get it this season and won't get stuck watching Tampa.



If I read the article correctly, Direct TV will retain the NFL Sunday ticket for next season
I believe the current DirecTV deal extends through 2021 and the new deal starts next year. So I guess season-after-next, because next season is this year.
RE: So I have to miller the thread  
steve in ky : 2/25/2021 10:18 pm : link
In comment 15161990 SLIM_ said:
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How quickly after the game ends is a game available on NFL Game Pass. I dropped Direct TV this year in place of Youtube TV so I can watch the Giants which are out of market. (Youtube TV can be set up for a different region if you have someone within that region register for you). No real interest in doing Youtube TV again and am really going off grid. I pay about $15/month for Netflix and that is it. Nothing else. Was thinking I can spend an extra $99 for the year for Gamepass if the games were available shortly after the end.


I was consistently able to watch the games right after they ended.
I watched Game Pass as well  
Chip : 2/25/2021 10:25 pm : link
I do believe that Directv has the right to opt out of the agreement and is expected to. It would make sense for the Nfl to sweeten that a little which would allow them to sell the ticket to everyone not just Directv customers.
When I lived overseas  
USAF NYG Fan : 2/26/2021 4:58 am : link
nfl.com had it's own sharing service for live games which was only available as it was outside of the US. With their money, I can see them doing their own standalone streaming service IMHO. They have to wait until the Direct TV contract ends I imagine.

Regardless, they should move away from a satellite company and avoid cable as well. Stream it. Everything is moving to a streaming service anyway. I watch everything on my computer (have a large tv connected to it) as it is.
RE: RE: So I have to miller the thread  
Jim in Tampa : 2/26/2021 6:11 am : link
In comment 15162005 steve in ky said:
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How quickly after the game ends is a game available on NFL Game Pass. I dropped Direct TV this year in place of Youtube TV so I can watch the Giants which are out of market. (Youtube TV can be set up for a different region if you have someone within that region register for you). No real interest in doing Youtube TV again and am really going off grid. I pay about $15/month for Netflix and that is it. Nothing else. Was thinking I can spend an extra $99 for the year for Gamepass if the games were available shortly after the end.



I was consistently able to watch the games right after they ended.

I dropped NFL Game Pass two years ago, but unless they've changed, you can't watch 1 PM games "right after they end".

ALL games (except for the Sunday Night game) have to be concluded before they give subscribers access to the replays of the games.

If the Giants play at 1 PM, you can't watch it until about 7:30-7:45.
Wasn't it expected that  
Tony in Tampa : 2/26/2021 7:08 am : link
after the exclusive deal that Directv has with the NFL for Sunday ticket ended (I want to say after this upcoming season), that the Sunday package was going to be open to other streaming providers anyway?

I've been waiting for a package-or preferably ala carte games or individual team season games on Google or Amazon.
RE: Wasn't it expected that  
Beer Man : 2/26/2021 8:51 am : link
In comment 15162064 Tony in Tampa said:
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after the exclusive deal that Directv has with the NFL for Sunday ticket ended (I want to say after this upcoming season), that the Sunday package was going to be open to other streaming providers anyway?

I've been waiting for a package-or preferably ala carte games or individual team season games on Google or Amazon.
+1. They have become so overpriced that I have been waiting for Sunday Ticket to open up to other providers so that I can jump from Directv.
....  
CoughlinHandsonHips : 2/26/2021 9:54 am : link
The NFL distribution model is beyond frustrating.

The fact that I only have access to games in my geographic location is archaic.

I hate that I'd have to sign up for a whole cable package. I also only want to watch Giants games, I'm not wanting to pay for every NFL game
RE: RedZone on Fios or other providers  
LTIsTheGreatest : 2/26/2021 9:57 am : link
In comment 15161902 NewBlue said:
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The Ticket offers all the games vs simply the Redzone correct?
Sometimes the RedZone switching between games drives me nuts, when it is not a Giants window. As Direct TV was not an option for many I suppose someone else...Amazon,as some suggested here will have that offering.


I love the RedZone channel. The back and forth between games I actually enjoy. Beats constantly switching channels to see how all the other games are doing. Its all on one channel
Game Pass games last season  
Chip : 2/26/2021 10:42 am : link
would start a few minutes after they ended and you could skip through the commercials.
RE: RE: RE: So I have to miller the thread  
steve in ky : 2/26/2021 10:49 am : link
In comment 15162061 Jim in Tampa said:
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How quickly after the game ends is a game available on NFL Game Pass. I dropped Direct TV this year in place of Youtube TV so I can watch the Giants which are out of market. (Youtube TV can be set up for a different region if you have someone within that region register for you). No real interest in doing Youtube TV again and am really going off grid. I pay about $15/month for Netflix and that is it. Nothing else. Was thinking I can spend an extra $99 for the year for Gamepass if the games were available shortly after the end.



I was consistently able to watch the games right after they ended.


I dropped NFL Game Pass two years ago, but unless they've changed, you can't watch 1 PM games "right after they end".

ALL games (except for the Sunday Night game) have to be concluded before they give subscribers access to the replays of the games.

If the Giants play at 1 PM, you can't watch it until about 7:30-7:45.


It may have changed because last season was my first using it so that’s my only experience with it but I never had to wait that long. I watched the games very soon after the games ended.
RE: Interesting  
giants#1 : 2/26/2021 11:28 am : link
In comment 15161856 HomerJones45 said:
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that getting rid of Sunday Ticket eliminates $2.5 billion in net losses I would have thought Sunday Ticket was a big money maker for DTV.


Accounting gimmicks. That just means they pay $2.5B more in exclusive licensing to the NFL than they take in directly from people buying Sunday Ticket subscriptions. But anyone paying for ST also needs a base package which is probably $75+/month (likely substantially higher than that).

Assuming they bring in $1B from ST and subscribers pay $500/subscription, there are 2 million people paying for it. At $75/month ($900/year), DirectTV is generating at least another $1.8B in revenue from ST subscribers.

Of course, the real question is how many of those ST subscribers would switch if DirectTV doesn't offer ST or if they could get ST elsewhere?
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Banks : 2/26/2021 12:18 pm : link
I'm in the philly area and honestly, I like DirectTv's service much better than FIOS and Comcast. I don't think it's close. I couldn't wait until I bought a house so I could get a dish as FIOS and Comcast were so damn awful. So for me, losing the Sunday Ticket would be a shame. In nearly ten years, the amount of times I lost a signal pales in comparison to my weekly experience with the cable companies here.
RE: RE: RedZone on Fios or other providers  
djm : 2/26/2021 12:34 pm : link
In comment 15162176 LTIsTheGreatest said:
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The Ticket offers all the games vs simply the Redzone correct?
Sometimes the RedZone switching between games drives me nuts, when it is not a Giants window. As Direct TV was not an option for many I suppose someone else...Amazon,as some suggested here will have that offering.



I love the RedZone channel. The back and forth between games I actually enjoy. Beats constantly switching channels to see how all the other games are doing. Its all on one channel


RZ is virtually flawless. I only hope that the NFL or providers don't over charge for it because I would pay it. So would many.
RE: RE: RE: RedZone on Fios or other providers  
BH28 : 2/26/2021 12:40 pm : link
In comment 15162372 djm said:
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The Ticket offers all the games vs simply the Redzone correct?
Sometimes the RedZone switching between games drives me nuts, when it is not a Giants window. As Direct TV was not an option for many I suppose someone else...Amazon,as some suggested here will have that offering.



I love the RedZone channel. The back and forth between games I actually enjoy. Beats constantly switching channels to see how all the other games are doing. Its all on one channel



RZ is virtually flawless. I only hope that the NFL or providers don't over charge for it because I would pay it. So would many.


While I personally don't like RZ channel, every service prodvider has a RZ channel. I dont understand why they can't do that for the entire sunday ticket package after this deal expires.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RedZone on Fios or other providers  
Tom in NY : 2/26/2021 3:17 pm : link
In comment 15162386 BH28 said:
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The Ticket offers all the games vs simply the Redzone correct?
Sometimes the RedZone switching between games drives me nuts, when it is not a Giants window. As Direct TV was not an option for many I suppose someone else...Amazon,as some suggested here will have that offering.



I love the RedZone channel. The back and forth between games I actually enjoy. Beats constantly switching channels to see how all the other games are doing. Its all on one channel



RZ is virtually flawless. I only hope that the NFL or providers don't over charge for it because I would pay it. So would many.



While I personally don't like RZ channel, every service prodvider has a RZ channel. I dont understand why they can't do that for the entire sunday ticket package after this deal expires.


It's not that they can't make Sunday Ticket available to everyone, it's that they don't want to. Directv invented the Sunday Ticket and have used it to attract subscribers for 25+ years now...it's how Directv grew to it's current size.
Sounds like they are about to lose it to either Amazon or ESPN+...which is probably the right thing as it will only increase the revenue to the league as well as provide more access to the majority of the population. New technology will allow all of us access to a great product.
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