NFT: Knicks Chat -- 5th in the East

they are directly ahead of us in the standings.

for 500 record and the 4th seed..

Rivers already said he has heard his name in rumors, they are not going to play him until he is traded now

why the rockets didnt just keep Levert? he is younger and already under long term contract, made no sense

trade Rivers to his dad so we can get our second round pick back. Then again, when I first said that I was assuming our second rounder was going to be a lot better than it's currently looking.

In comment 15162158 Enzo said:

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trade Rivers to his dad so we can get our second round pick back. Then again, when I first said that I was assuming our second rounder was going to be a lot better than it's currently looking.

I heard or read that Doc wanted his son to play for another coach, so there wouldn't be questions about nepotism.

They are both long and active defenders. And they each have enough playmaking to let the other do what they do best. Neither of them are consistent so it will be bumpy sometimes for sure, but I liked it.

He went off one game and then struggled and got pulled from the rotation. Is this all performance stuff or was there an injury as well?

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They are both long and active defenders. And they each have enough playmaking to let the other do what they do best. Neither of them are consistent so it will be bumpy sometimes for sure, but I liked it.

I thought that too. Sounds like Rivers is getting traded and Payton may have gotten Wally Pipp-ed.

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He went off one game and then struggled and got pulled from the rotation. Is this all performance stuff or was there an injury as well?

I think he just isn't that good. Not a defender, not a distributor. He's fine if he's hitting his 3s but if not he's not bringing much else to the table. He's an 8/9th man at best. He just started the season absolutely on fire but very quickly (Quickley?) regressed to the mean.

we realistically get for Rivers? He is cheap and cost controlled

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In comment 15162175 tbonfig said: Quote: He went off one game and then struggled and got pulled from the rotation. Is this all performance stuff or was there an injury as well? I think he just isn't that good. Not a defender, not a distributor. He's fine if he's hitting his 3s but if not he's not bringing much else to the table. He's an 8/9th man at best. He just started the season absolutely on fire but very quickly (Quickley?) regressed to the mean.

Ah. Well done.

Crazy thing is that fans want and recognize we need more offense and particularly someone who can hit 3s and it just seemed initially to me like Rivers could fill that role.

I like Burks getting hot last night but we need more than one of these guys.

In comment 15162188 TommyWiseau said:

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we realistically get for Rivers? He is cheap and cost controlled

Probably a 2nd or cash. Really not much.

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In comment 15162175 tbonfig said: Quote: He went off one game and then struggled and got pulled from the rotation. Is this all performance stuff or was there an injury as well? I think he just isn't that good. Not a defender, not a distributor. He's fine if he's hitting his 3s but if not he's not bringing much else to the table. He's an 8/9th man at best. He just started the season absolutely on fire but very quickly (Quickley?) regressed to the mean.

he's probably a little better than that. At the very least, he was a rotation player for a very good Rockets team the last couple of years. That's more than most of our other vets can say...lol.

Regardless, he needs to go. We have a ton of guards and he's taking up a roster spot that can be used on a g-league type.

Fun team. I can't believe our record. Thibs has been sensational. LFG!

What surprised me is he looked better on the offensive end than the defensive end. He was a step slow most of the night. We know he is a good defender so I am not worried about that. He had the charge which was nice.

15+ posts into a Knicks thread and not one stupid post about trading Randle for picks.

but last night gave a glimpse into what the rotation should be. Rose needs to start at PG with IQ and Frank coming off the bench, they complement each other well. This is a shooters league and having Payton out there for 25+ MPG is a problem, and its time for the Knicks to move on from him

He's more than serviceable and his contract is an absolute bargain

In comment 15162246 robbieballs2003 said:

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What surprised me is he looked better on the offensive end than the defensive end. He was a step slow most of the night. We know he is a good defender so I am not worried about that. He had the charge which was nice.

Because he didnt have to worry about playing point, he has always been better off the ball

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He's more than serviceable and his contract is an absolute bargain

I honestly don't think his contract is "real" after this season. There was no reason for him to lock himself into a deal that barely pays more than the minimum. My half-ass theory: Knicks had the cap space to sign him, Rockets asked if it could be a sign-and-trade so they get the trade exception, players on sign-and-trades have to sign 3 year deals, Rivers went along with it because he's a CAA guy and got an assurance the option wouldn't be picked up.

All of the above could be a bunch of bullshit, but I keep coming back to there not being a logical reason for Rivers to sign a 3 year deal for such little money.

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In comment 15162246 robbieballs2003 said: Quote: What surprised me is he looked better on the offensive end than the defensive end. He was a step slow most of the night. We know he is a good defender so I am not worried about that. He had the charge which was nice. Because he didnt have to worry about playing point, he has always been better off the ball

if only we could throw Frank out there with a forward who likes to initiate the offense....

but your doing a disservice to your team having them both come off the bench. They both are better with the ball in their hands creating and can play off the ball when they need to, example for rose when he is playing with randle or Rj is creating..

Also with them both coming off the bench it is less oppurtunity for Burks to get into the flow of the game.

Rose with the starters spreads out the scoring players and gives a punch to the starters

handy to have when you get an injury and you need to add someone to the rotation.

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In comment 15162278 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 15162246 robbieballs2003 said: Quote: What surprised me is he looked better on the offensive end than the defensive end. He was a step slow most of the night. We know he is a good defender so I am not worried about that. He had the charge which was nice. Because he didnt have to worry about playing point, he has always been better off the ball if only we could throw Frank out there with a forward who likes to initiate the offense....

I dont like Frank with the starters, Bullock at least is a perceived shooter to spread the floor..

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handy to have when you get an injury and you need to add someone to the rotation.

we have one in 2021 and one in 2022. And we have a ton of guys who are pending free agents.

Hopefully Frank continues to get minutes at a minimum to up his trade value.
I have been saying all season Washington is not moving Beal and he wants to stay in Washington. It's been pure speculation all season.

When I look at what is available I hope the Knicks stay put and if they move anyone it is for draft capital.
(ELF for a 2nd anywhere he wants to go)

Love the rumors Dallas is looking to trade KP and Dallas continues to look lost and inconsistent.

But Quickley wasn't really playing the point with the second unit. In fact, I thought it was odd that Burks was doing it most of the time.

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but your doing a disservice to your team having them both come off the bench. They both are better with the ball in their hands creating and can play off the ball when they need to, example for rose when he is playing with Randle or Rj is creating.. Also with them both coming off the bench it is less opportunity for Burks to get into the flow of the game. Rose with the starters spreads out the scoring players and gives a punch to the starters

I don't understand Tibs love for Elf. At this point, he should at the other end of the bench. We can all agree Rose and Quickley should be ahead of him on the depth chart.
I hate 2nd guessing Tibs with the way they are playing.

But Rose should help him out by trading Bullock and Elf.

For one game? Ok. Every game? No. It is obvious they would rather Quickley as a 2 for right now. So who else is going to get minutes at the 1 with the starters? It is Payton by default. Payton is just a player who is out there based on need. I know some here keep saying that we need another 2 but in my eyes this team needs another 1 badly. I'd love to move Payton. I feel like he just drains that unit. But until we get another creator at that position this is just a necessary evil.

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For one game? Ok. Every game? No. It is obvious they would rather Quickley as a 2 for right now. So who else is going to get minutes at the 1 with the starters? It is Payton by default. Payton is just a player who is out there based on need. I know some here keep saying that we need another 2 but in my eyes this team needs another 1 badly. I'd love to move Payton. I feel like he just drains that unit. But until we get another creator at that position this is just a necessary evil.

He doesnt have to play 30, he can play 25 to 27 a night and be the starter

In comment 15162292 larryflower37 said:

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Hopefully Frank continues to get minutes at a minimum to up his trade value. I have been saying all season Washington is not moving Beal and he wants to stay in Washington. It's been pure speculation all season. When I look at what is available I hope the Knicks stay put and if they move anyone it is for draft capital. (ELF for a 2nd anywhere he wants to go) Love the rumors Dallas is looking to trade KP and Dallas continues to look lost and inconsistent.

Why does Payton need to go? Right now? No he doesn't. I don't understand this hate for Payton. He's our 2nd best pure PG. He might even be on the level of D Rose as he's probably a better defender and rebounder.

Payton is better than Frank until proven otherwise and I highly doubt Frank becomes as adept at getting to the rim as Payton. Payton is better than Rivers. By a lot. I don't care how much better Rivers is at the 3 ball, he's an injury replacement player.

Payton is good at getting to the basket. Good on defense. Decent passer. Grabs a few rebounds. The one thing he can't do is shoot but he isn't keeping anyone better on the bench. Payton is our best option right now. Why would you dump that?

In comment 15162299 robbieballs2003 said:

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For one game? Ok. Every game? No. It is obvious they would rather Quickley as a 2 for right now. So who else is going to get minutes at the 1 with the starters? It is Payton by default. Payton is just a player who is out there based on need. I know some here keep saying that we need another 2 but in my eyes this team needs another 1 badly. I'd love to move Payton. I feel like he just drains that unit. But until we get another creator at that position this is just a necessary evil.

Or that. Payton is the best we have right now. While I appreciate how hard he plays and how Thibs has gotten every ounce of ability out of Payton, the minute we can get an upgrade at the position I am all for his departure.

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In comment 15162292 larryflower37 said: Quote: Hopefully Frank continues to get minutes at a minimum to up his trade value. I have been saying all season Washington is not moving Beal and he wants to stay in Washington. It's been pure speculation all season. When I look at what is available I hope the Knicks stay put and if they move anyone it is for draft capital. (ELF for a 2nd anywhere he wants to go) Love the rumors Dallas is looking to trade KP and Dallas continues to look lost and inconsistent. Why does Payton need to go? Right now? No he doesn't. I don't understand this hate for Payton. He's our 2nd best pure PG. He might even be on the level of D Rose as he's probably a better defender and rebounder. Payton is better than Frank until proven otherwise and I highly doubt Frank becomes as adept at getting to the rim as Payton. Payton is better than Rivers. By a lot. I don't care how much better Rivers is at the 3 ball, he's an injury replacement player. Payton is good at getting to the basket. Good on defense. Decent passer. Grabs a few rebounds. The one thing he can't do is shoot but he isn't keeping anyone better on the bench. Payton is our best option right now. Why would you dump that?

I don't look at Frank as a Point. I put Quickley at PG and Frank playing and guarding the 2.
Peyton slows the game, is up and down defensively, and takes a lot of bad shots.
He tightens up spacing and destroys the flow of the game.
I would like his minutes used by Frank, Rivers, Quickley, and Rose.
The Knicks have multiple combo guards in Quickley, Frank, and Rivers.
RJ and Randle have handled the point in certain games.

Payton is a minus player in my eyes.

Where are they weakest? Wing and point guard.

What two lottery picks have played their way out of the rotation (until last night)? wing Kevin Knox and point guard Frank Ntlikina.

If Frank becomes a useful rotation player this situation is going to look a lot better. Agree with all the above: Trade Rivers, Payton, maybe Burks and/or Bullock, for whatever you can get for them. Yes, you'll win fewer games without the vets. What's the difference? This isn't a contender yet. Get more minutes for the young guys, see what you have. Barring a Randle-like recommitment to the game, Rivers/Payton/Burks/Bullock/Gibson aren't getting any better.

I know Burks has struggled since coming back from his ankle, but he does have a history of being a pretty good 3 shooter, which this team needs more of. I'm not saying he's untouchable, but I like him more than Bullock and Rivers. Hopefully he's fully healed now and gives us a good shooter off the bench, like last night.

are no real stars available in free agency this yesr besides Kawhi, he aint leaving..

You add a star to this team without having to give up anything you got a real good team and maybe contender in the east

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are no real stars available in free agency this yesr besides Kawhi, he aint leaving.. You add a star to this team without having to give up anything you got a real good team and maybe contender in the east

It's a really weak group.
Interested to see if teams overpay for the group of Vets over 32
Lowery, Conley, Paul, Derozen, Griffen, Etc.

in the Slam Dunk contest, per the Post.
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Kp basically called Mark Cuban a liar and he knows his name is out there..

and of course the narrative about his brothers being cancers is starting to come out again

In comment 15162406 larryflower37 said:

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In comment 15162344 djm said: Quote: In comment 15162292 larryflower37 said: Quote: Hopefully Frank continues to get minutes at a minimum to up his trade value. I have been saying all season Washington is not moving Beal and he wants to stay in Washington. It's been pure speculation all season. When I look at what is available I hope the Knicks stay put and if they move anyone it is for draft capital. (ELF for a 2nd anywhere he wants to go) Love the rumors Dallas is looking to trade KP and Dallas continues to look lost and inconsistent. Why does Payton need to go? Right now? No he doesn't. I don't understand this hate for Payton. He's our 2nd best pure PG. He might even be on the level of D Rose as he's probably a better defender and rebounder. Payton is better than Frank until proven otherwise and I highly doubt Frank becomes as adept at getting to the rim as Payton. Payton is better than Rivers. By a lot. I don't care how much better Rivers is at the 3 ball, he's an injury replacement player. Payton is good at getting to the basket. Good on defense. Decent passer. Grabs a few rebounds. The one thing he can't do is shoot but he isn't keeping anyone better on the bench. Payton is our best option right now. Why would you dump that? I don't look at Frank as a Point. I put Quickley at PG and Frank playing and guarding the 2. Peyton slows the game, is up and down defensively, and takes a lot of bad shots. He tightens up spacing and destroys the flow of the game. I would like his minutes used by Frank, Rivers, Quickley, and Rose. The Knicks have multiple combo guards in Quickley, Frank, and Rivers. RJ and Randle have handled the point in certain games. Payton is a minus player in my eyes.

THIS, Frank was a nice surptise out there. Would love it if he can bring another 10-15/game along with his terrific on the ball D. He was all over Halliburton and Fox last night.

Although I am not sure you can completely ignore Payton's ability to get to the hoop and put up numbers. He also has been very good defensively. Not sure Rose is much better at what he does than Payton is.

On how the Knicks should use Quick more
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It’s really been my only gripe with Thibs. IQ might be our second most important player behind Randle and it takes Thibs forever to get him into the game, especially in the third quarter. I don’t even care as much as others about Payton starting - just wish he got a quicker hook.

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Great read.

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thank you for posting. The part about the starting lineup (with Mitch) being the most heavily played lineup in the league is not surprising....yet troubling. Payton is a decidedly below average PG and RJ is unplayable at times. I can't think of a reason why Thibs wouldn't want to mix in some other players with the RJ/Mitch/Bullock (or Burks) lineup. Unless that starting 5 is the key to our top 5 defense? I for one would like to find out if we could maintain the defensive efficiency while mixing in some better offensive players with our best player.

& I agree...Unleash IQ.

BBIer's have been making on Knicks threads - with data.

That said, there seems to be some kind of method to Thibs' madness. What could be called stubbornness may be his idea of how to bring the team along. Remember, in the preseason and in the early season, a lot of the same BBIer's on here were saying the Knicks were bottom 3 in the NBA in terms of talent, if not the very worst roster. Now, IQ was a lesser-known quantity at that point, but it's not just IQ. The Knicks are probably going to be a playoff team (IMO) and I don't think anyone here saw that coming. Thibs is a good coach - and we know he wanted to be in New York, which by itself is refreshing.

If someone told me back in November that come the beginning of March, the Knicks would be in the postseason hunt, I wouldn't have believed it. It's been a fun season. Thibs has righted the ship. Let's keep it going!

"His brothers (agent) are cancer, you don’t want that. There is a reason every team wants to trade him sooner rather than later."

-NBA Agent on Kristaps Porzingis

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Got a bunch of cousins who are Cs fans. They're starting to get itchy on Ainge. A lot of them feel that this team-considering all the talent/draft capital-has underperformed these past few years. Not even a Finals appearance. Right now, I'd take Rozier or Hayward over Kemba.

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In comment 15162678 nygiants16 said: Quote: .. Got a bunch of cousins who are Cs fans. They're starting to get itchy on Ainge. A lot of them feel that this team-considering all the talent/draft capital-has underperformed these past few years. Not even a Finals appearance. Right now, I'd take Rozier or Hayward over Kemba.

They have no depth, Tatum and Brown are very good but thebpieces around jist dont fit to me..

Why are you starting tristan thompson and Theis?? there is no spacing

Yup. After Tatum/Brown-who are excellent-it's a bunch of JAG. I still think they'll eventually right the ship, but they're not even in the same league as the Nets, 76ers, or probably Bucks.

In comment 15162649 Del Shofner said:

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BBIer's have been making on Knicks threads - with data. That said, there seems to be some kind of method to Thibs' madness. What could be called stubbornness may be his idea of how to bring the team along. Remember, in the preseason and in the early season, a lot of the same BBIer's on here were saying the Knicks were bottom 3 in the NBA in terms of talent, if not the very worst roster. Now, IQ was a lesser-known quantity at that point, but it's not just IQ. The Knicks are probably going to be a playoff team (IMO) and I don't think anyone here saw that coming. Thibs is a good coach - and we know he wanted to be in New York, which by itself is refreshing.

I am definitely one of those people. I did not appreciate that Randle would make the leap or that Quick would be this amazing, and as much as you guys dislike him, RJ has definitely improved over last year. Guilty as charged, and happy about it!

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Yup. After Tatum/Brown-who are excellent-it's a bunch of JAG. I still think they'll eventually right the ship, but they're not even in the same league as the Nets, 76ers, or probably Bucks.

and as we talk they are now leading..

from Kemba.

I drafted him as the last guy on my fantasy roster and have had him since, so I really pay attention to him a lot during the games. I won't deny he's had some terrible games, and he's definitely maddeningly inconsistent, but I truly believe there's something there. His FT% has ticked up and his shot looks like it can develop to me. He def has some trouble as a team defender but as a one-on-one defender I think he generally looks pretty good. (My bias is I think you can improve upon team defense easier but I think one-on-one defense relies more on innate athleticism that cannot be taught.) I don't think anyone would deny he's a good rebounder.

My biggest complaint with our guards overall is they don't make our big men better. Yeah, we see the occasional ally opp but a guy like Obi is begging for a legit PG. It is frustrating seeing Obi try to set a pick and then run to the corner of the court. I know the game has changed but I think we can take advantage of that. Obi seems like he can post players up and that can open up 3 point shots for others. I am not saying we need to run that often but I'd like to see him involved more offensively.

What I see on offense is a lot of horizontal movement by our guards with our bigs trying to set picks. If there is any true penetration it seems our guards always shoot. I'd like to see Obi post up and get the ball in good position, kick the ball out if necessary, drop the ball back in, etc. Make the D double and find the open man. Again, not all the time but some times.

That is why I keep saying this team needs another PG. I want someone to get the bigs involved. This is also a direct reason why people criticize Randle, myself included. He handles the ball too much and has some really bad turnovers. With that said, what other big besides Lebron handles the ball as often? Not many. Randle is basically forced to pick up the slack because we don't have guards that create for others. The guards starting are better because they play with Randle.

In comment 15162727 robbieballs2003 said:

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My biggest complaint with our guards overall is they don't make our big men better. Yeah, we see the occasional ally opp but a guy like Obi is begging for a legit PG. It is frustrating seeing Obi try to set a pick and then run to the corner of the court. I know the game has changed but I think we can take advantage of that. Obi seems like he can post players up and that can open up 3 point shots for others. I am not saying we need to run that often but I'd like to see him involved more offensively. What I see on offense is a lot of horizontal movement by our guards with our bigs trying to set picks. If there is any true penetration it seems our guards always shoot. I'd like to see Obi post up and get the ball in good position, kick the ball out if necessary, drop the ball back in, etc. Make the D double and find the open man. Again, not all the time but some times. That is why I keep saying this team needs another PG. I want someone to get the bigs involved. This is also a direct reason why people criticize Randle, myself included. He handles the ball too much and has some really bad turnovers. With that said, what other big besides Lebron handles the ball as often? Not many. Randle is basically forced to pick up the slack because we don't have guards that create for others. The guards starting are better because they play with Randle.

The "true" point guard is not really around anymore, it is more team game, ball in your best players hands, with scoring guards..

Warrios best example, Draymond is their point guard, he sets everything up..

Most teams do not have a point

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In comment 15162727 robbieballs2003 said: Quote: My biggest complaint with our guards overall is they don't make our big men better. Yeah, we see the occasional ally opp but a guy like Obi is begging for a legit PG. It is frustrating seeing Obi try to set a pick and then run to the corner of the court. I know the game has changed but I think we can take advantage of that. Obi seems like he can post players up and that can open up 3 point shots for others. I am not saying we need to run that often but I'd like to see him involved more offensively. What I see on offense is a lot of horizontal movement by our guards with our bigs trying to set picks. If there is any true penetration it seems our guards always shoot. I'd like to see Obi post up and get the ball in good position, kick the ball out if necessary, drop the ball back in, etc. Make the D double and find the open man. Again, not all the time but some times. That is why I keep saying this team needs another PG. I want someone to get the bigs involved. This is also a direct reason why people criticize Randle, myself included. He handles the ball too much and has some really bad turnovers. With that said, what other big besides Lebron handles the ball as often? Not many. Randle is basically forced to pick up the slack because we don't have guards that create for others. The guards starting are better because they play with Randle. The "true" point guard is not really around anymore, it is more team game, ball in your best players hands, with scoring guards.. Warrios best example, Draymond is their point guard, he sets everything up.. Most teams do not have a point

I know what you are saying but that doesn't mean this team doesn't need a guard who will create for others. I don't care what the norm is. This team is begging for a guard to help our bigs out. Barrett and Randle have to create their own shots. Obi sits in the corner of the court.

I think with Obi he is still figuring out when to roll and when to pop..

Randle gets set up a lot, he is just not a spot up shooter, he likes to dribble into his shots..

Rj is not a spot up guy, he needs to create his shots, rose set him for a few 3s last night and he knocked them down..

I think Rose and Quickley are scoring guards yes but their scoring opens up the offense for everyone around them because teams have to account for them..

Payton at point teams jist leave him alone they dont care..

In comment 15162741 nygiants16 said:

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I think with Obi he is still figuring out when to roll and when to pop.. Randle gets set up a lot, he is just not a spot up shooter, he likes to dribble into his shots.. Rj is not a spot up guy, he needs to create his shots, rose set him for a few 3s last night and he knocked them down.. I think Rose and Quickley are scoring guards yes but their scoring opens up the offense for everyone around them because teams have to account for them.. Payton at point teams jist leave him alone they dont care..

You are contradicting the RJ opinion. I think it is way too early to classify him as anything. You said he needs to create his own shot but then say he knocked down some spot up shots. I think RJ can create his own shot but doesn't need to create his own shot. I think his game keeps evolving. If he can consistently do what he did last night that is a huge plus.

Also, I don't think comparing us to the Warriors is valid. The Warriors are a completely different team than we are. I think we need to be realistic about where we are at and what our biggest need is. You and most others feel a 2 is the biggest need. I am not arguing against that. It is valid. I just have a different take. I think a guy like Bullock and Quickley can handle that spot. Another point guard that can breakdown a D and dish is something that would help everybody out. It doesn't need to be a true PG. It can be a combo guard.

I know people look at Quickley and say he can be the point. Yes, he can. However, to me he is a better shooter than facilitator. I look at him as a player that can be the point if situations dictate that but I'd rather him as a 2 guard, combo guard.

Rose was a step in the right direction. He shoots a lot but that is okay because he gets others involved and sets them up in good positions. Basically, another player that is like a younger Rose would be more beneficial than having Payton. And, like you, I am not a Payton fan. Let me rephrase that. He seems like a good dude. He does his job. I like him as a professional. I just don't like his fit om this team. His game doesn't compliment the others on this roster imo. That is why I keep harping on another PG. If we were able to move Payton and a second to get a guard that can break down a D and open up easier shots for others would be welcomed with open arms.

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In comment 15162741 nygiants16 said: Quote: I think with Obi he is still figuring out when to roll and when to pop.. Randle gets set up a lot, he is just not a spot up shooter, he likes to dribble into his shots.. Rj is not a spot up guy, he needs to create his shots, rose set him for a few 3s last night and he knocked them down.. I think Rose and Quickley are scoring guards yes but their scoring opens up the offense for everyone around them because teams have to account for them.. Payton at point teams jist leave him alone they dont care.. You are contradicting the RJ opinion. I think it is way too early to classify him as anything. You said he needs to create his own shot but then say he knocked down some spot up shots. I think RJ can create his own shot but doesn't need to create his own shot. I think his game keeps evolving. If he can consistently do what he did last night that is a huge plus. Also, I don't think comparing us to the Warriors is valid. The Warriors are a completely different team than we are. I think we need to be realistic about where we are at and what our biggest need is. You and most others feel a 2 is the biggest need. I am not arguing against that. It is valid. I just have a different take. I think a guy like Bullock and Quickley can handle that spot. Another point guard that can breakdown a D and dish is something that would help everybody out. It doesn't need to be a true PG. It can be a combo guard. I know people look at Quickley and say he can be the point. Yes, he can. However, to me he is a better shooter than facilitator. I look at him as a player that can be the point if situations dictate that but I'd rather him as a 2 guard, combo guard.

Yeah my rj point was contradicting, should of seperated the points, i dont think Rj being a spot up guy is the best way to use him, even though he knocked down a couple of spot up shots last night, normally he creates for hinself..

I agree about quickley, he is a scoring guard

My point about the warriors was simply Draymond as the 4 man runs the offense

that would have to be defended. And in return that makes his overall game better. Think about it. He loves to drive. There is no better time to drive than when you get a pass and are wide open. You have defenders running right at you. That would make him more efficient when he drives then. Right now he dribbles into double teams and still does fairly well.

In Free agency if the price is right.
Only 25 and seems to be getting better with GS floor spacing.

Would Chris Paul be willing to sign a 1 year deal here? I'm assuming no. If he was to sign a one year deal you'd have to assume it is with a contender. With that said, wasn't there a rumor he wanted to come here?

In comment 15162759 robbieballs2003 said:

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Would Chris Paul be willing to sign a 1 year deal here? I'm assuming no. If he was to sign a one year deal you'd have to assume it is with a contender. With that said, wasn't there a rumor he wanted to come here?

Yeah another Rose/ WWW guy.
I could see him staying in phoenix.

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Meh... what about bringing in Doug McDermott to play some 3 and D at the SF position and Dennis Schroder at PG with Quick?

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Meh... what about bringing in Doug McDermott to play some 3 and D at the SF position and Dennis Schroder at PG with Quick?

Macri suggested Kyle Lowrie 2/50 mill contract. That would be interesting.

In comment 15162757 larryflower37 said:

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In Free agency if the price is right. Only 25 and seems to be getting better with GS floor spacing.

Pass. He doesn't shoot good enough.

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He has really stepped up his 3 ball this year. If he keeps it up he could be a possibility. Lowry is interesting but he will be 35, maybe going younger is the better bet

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In comment 15162794 adamg said: Quote: . He has really stepped up his 3 ball this year. If he keeps it up he could be a possibility. Lowry is interesting but he will be 35, maybe going younger is the better bet

I really like what I read here. I haven't watched him much but the way he is described leads me to believe he's the tyoe of player we need. Hitting around 40% from 3, turnovers have decreased, has a great rapport with his big (Zion), is getting better at penetrating and getting to the line, and there was a blurb that his defense was good.
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could actually be called a big game.

Here's the Post on whether Frank will get more burn..
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Not rooting for him tonight obviously, but I love Sabonis' game.

as an RFA target, given Portland’s high payroll. Still think they match his offers though. I’d rather find a shooter or two in the draft and spend some money on a Lowry or - maybe - Oladipo, if it’s a short-term commitment.

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as an RFA target, given Portland’s high payroll. Still think they match his offers though. I’d rather find a shooter or two in the draft and spend some money on a Lowry or - maybe - Oladipo, if it’s a short-term commitment.

Poor Greg. We'd drop one Dukie (Austin Rivers) for another.

is fine, but he's closer to Bullock than not.

We need a legitimate scorer at the 2.

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saw that the Nets will be without Kyrie in tonight's game. Mavs catch a break
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This is the year to win the lottery.

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In comment 15163080 larryflower37 said:

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This is the year to win the lottery.

A pulled Doncic hammy wouldn't be the worst thing to happen...

puts up historically great offensive ratings.

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puts up historically great offensive ratings.

KD is out

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Rose starts again

In comment 15163092 nygiants16 said:

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Rose starts again

means we see Frank again - always good for people disagreeing :-)

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I know, everybody loves IQ and, therefore, the obvious move is to start him and play him more minutes. That's why we are fans and don't get to make those decisions. Quickley is a work in progress and if you are really paying attention, you would see that he still has a bunch to learn. It is not unusual to see Thibs give IQ an earful after a questionable move or playing a little out of control. That's what rookies do and that is also why there are situations where Thibs likes Payton, Rose and even Frank to bring experience and some physical play. Quickley's time is coming and he will play a big role moving forward, but he needs to get stronger and could hit a rookie wall at some point.