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Penei Sewell - any chance he could fall to #11?

Sean : 2/26/2021 12:03 pm
I’ve been seeing some mocks where he has been dropping. Heading into the season, he was generating a lot of buzz as a top 5 pick. It seems now there is an emphasis on the QB’s with the possibility of Wilson, Fields & Lance all going in the top 10 after Lawrence. In addition, the top WR’s, Pitts & defensive players could go ahead of Sewell.

I highly doubt he is available and probably doesn’t get past the Bengals, but the thought of having young, bookend tackles is exciting. It could really speed up the rebuild and help on offense despite the lack of playmakers other than Barkley.
I'd be shocked  
JonC : 2/26/2021 12:06 pm : link
if they Giants picked Sewell or even Slater. They're probably hellbent on adding a WR, if Smith or Waddle are available.
I doubt the Giants would grab him if there  
beatrixkiddo : 2/26/2021 12:08 pm : link
But I just think it would be criminal if the Bengals pass on him, Burrow may want to wait yet another year before returning if that’s the case( they have the worst OL in the league.
RE: I'd be shocked  
Sean : 2/26/2021 12:09 pm : link
In comment 15162323 JonC said:
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if they Giants picked Sewell or even Slater. They're probably hellbent on adding a WR, if Smith or Waddle are available.


That’s disappointing. This OL still needs work and it’s more important than any WR. Didn’t we just live this with Beckham?
RE: I'd be shocked  
BillT : 2/26/2021 12:12 pm : link
In comment 15162323 JonC said:
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if they Giants picked Sewell or even Slater. They're probably hellbent on adding a WR, if Smith or Waddle are available.

Exactly. Sewell would be overspending on the OL. They can probably still get an OL starter in the 2nd either at G or RT.
RE: I'd be shocked  
Victor in CT : 2/26/2021 12:12 pm : link
In comment 15162323 JonC said:
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if they Giants picked Sewell or even Slater. They're probably hellbent on adding a WR, if Smith or Waddle are available.


I wish you were wrong but I think you're right. And I don't care fro that approach, nor am I sold on either of those WRs. Both are risky, Waddle more so because of the ankle.
I glanced and read  
mattlawson : 2/26/2021 12:13 pm : link
Perry Fewell.

PASS
If he does  
Vin_Cuccs : 2/26/2021 12:15 pm : link
He should be the pick.
RE: RE: I'd be shocked  
JonC : 2/26/2021 12:18 pm : link
In comment 15162329 Sean said:
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if they Giants picked Sewell or even Slater. They're probably hellbent on adding a WR, if Smith or Waddle are available.



That’s disappointing. This OL still needs work and it’s more important than any WR. Didn’t we just live this with Beckham?


They're not going to relive 2020 if they can avoid it.
I'm with you Sean.  
mittenedman : 2/26/2021 12:25 pm : link
I think he could absolutely slip - but it would be tough to imagine the Cowboys passing on him at #10.
Sewell will probably drop from his original Top 3 position but not  
Ivan15 : 2/26/2021 12:28 pm : link
Very far.

Originally, I thought Sewell looked so good in 2019 because he was playing next to Lemieux but after watching Lemieux in 2020, I decided Sewell did most of the good work on his own.
Not likely, but not impossible.  
Section331 : 2/26/2021 12:32 pm : link
It will depend on how many QB’s go in the top 10. Sewelll looks like he has Cincy written all over him, but who knows, maybe they prefer Slater?

I’d be more than happy if Sewell dropped and the Giants took him. The OL would be set for years.
RE: RE: I'd be shocked  
Go Terps : 2/26/2021 12:32 pm : link
In comment 15162329 Sean said:
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if they Giants picked Sewell or even Slater. They're probably hellbent on adding a WR, if Smith or Waddle are available.



That’s disappointing. This OL still needs work and it’s more important than any WR. Didn’t we just live this with Beckham?


+1

Shepard, Slayton, and Tate weren't the reason they averaged 17.5 PPG. And a rookie receiver isn't going to come in and fix the scheme or the quarterback.

Looking at four years in a row of picking am offensive player high in the first round and still having a bad offense. Incredible.
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GiantsFan84 : 2/26/2021 12:34 pm : link
In comment 15162366 Go Terps said:
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if they Giants picked Sewell or even Slater. They're probably hellbent on adding a WR, if Smith or Waddle are available.



That’s disappointing. This OL still needs work and it’s more important than any WR. Didn’t we just live this with Beckham?



+1

Shepard, Slayton, and Tate weren't the reason they averaged 17.5 PPG. And a rookie receiver isn't going to come in and fix the scheme or the quarterback.

Looking at four years in a row of picking am offensive player high in the first round and still having a bad offense. Incredible.


calling it a bad offense is too kind
Almost criminal to pass on Sewell  
giantstock : 2/26/2021 12:40 pm : link
His pick makes Barkley and Jones soooo much better. You can get the WR in rd 2. But now you'd be assured of a running game too for many years making Jones life much much easier.
RE: I doubt the Giants would grab him if there  
OntheRoad : 2/26/2021 12:45 pm : link
In comment 15162327 beatrixkiddo said:
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they have the worst OL in the league.


Bobby Hart should be able to hold the fort for them next year. lol
RE: RE: I'd be shocked  
lax counsel : 2/26/2021 12:46 pm : link
In comment 15162329 Sean said:
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if they Giants picked Sewell or even Slater. They're probably hellbent on adding a WR, if Smith or Waddle are available.



That’s disappointing. This OL still needs work and it’s more important than any WR. Didn’t we just live this with Beckham?


If the offensive line still needs another top pick invested to fix it, than the person who was charged with correcting the oline should not be making this pick.
I think a #1 receiver  
River Mike : 2/26/2021 12:54 pm : link
is an bigger need than O-line, BUT The talent at that spot with Sewell is greater than the WR talent at that spot, and this draft is deep enough at WR to have a great chance on fixing both positions
If Judge has any say in personnel  
BigBlueCane : 2/26/2021 1:27 pm : link
I don't see him wanting a WR.
RE: I'd be shocked  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/26/2021 2:15 pm : link
In comment 15162323 JonC said:
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if they Giants picked Sewell or even Slater. They're probably hellbent on adding a WR, if Smith or Waddle are available.


You really think so?

I've had the impression the current regime doesn't put the same value on WR as they used to.
If he drops there  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 2/26/2021 2:22 pm : link
the Giants will take him without a second thought
Very unlikely  
averagejoe : 2/26/2021 2:36 pm : link
Of course he is the pick if he is there. But if he is not and Giants don't love any WR I am hoping it will be Slater and not a number two corner.
From what I've read about Sewell, I'd jump on him if he fell  
Bill L : 2/26/2021 2:47 pm : link
even if they perceive themselves to have other needs. Same reasons as I wanted (and still would do it) them to pick Saquon. These types of chances don't come around too often.
Highly unlikely  
arniefez : 2/26/2021 2:51 pm : link
but if he does the Giants will use the Nelson Martin excuse. Good thing they didn't draft those two guys when they had the chance.
RE: RE: I'd be shocked  
JonC : 2/26/2021 3:00 pm : link
In comment 15162486 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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if they Giants picked Sewell or even Slater. They're probably hellbent on adding a WR, if Smith or Waddle are available.



You really think so?

I've had the impression the current regime doesn't put the same value on WR as they used to.


I think they're going to (over)react to the poor passing attack, in order to give Jones weapons.
Slim and none.  
Giant John : 2/26/2021 3:13 pm : link
And Slim left town.
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Biteymax22 : 2/26/2021 3:13 pm : link
In comment 15162524 JonC said:
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if they Giants picked Sewell or even Slater. They're probably hellbent on adding a WR, if Smith or Waddle are available.



You really think so?

I've had the impression the current regime doesn't put the same value on WR as they used to.



I think they're going to (over)react to the poor passing attack, in order to give Jones weapons.


Adding to your statement we’ve found that Gettleman tends to “hide in plain sight” and at some point in the offseason he usually tells us what he’s going to do. When he said we’re adding weapons I’m assuming that unless we sign some guys in FA pick 11 will be a “weapon” either WR or Pitts.
I've run probably a couple hundred sims on PFN.  
81_Great_Dane : 2/26/2021 4:25 pm : link
The top 10 is automated, it's just running different outcomes based on available players and team needs. with trades. Their algorithm and rankings are just their opinion, but the sims are interesting for estimating odds of a prospect falling to the Giants.

There are all kinds of outcomes, all over the place, but Sewell almost never falls to 11. Lawrence and Wilson never fall that far, and Sewell almost never. Farley, same. Chase falls to the Giants much more often than Sewell.

Lawrence and Wilson, fuggedabout it.

Sewell, not impossible, but highly unlikely. Something like 1% of sims.

Farley: Rarely falls to 11, I'm guessing maybe 3-5% of sims.

Lance: Similar to Farley.

Chase: Not likely but certainly possible, falls to Giants in something like 7-10% of sims.

Smith: More often than Chase, something like 15-20%.

Waddle: More often than Smith, about 25%. Presumably that's because they're factoring concerns about his size and injury.

Pitts: About 50-50

Surtain, Paye, Parsons, Owusu-Koramoah -- available at 11 more often than not, but not always.

Rousseau and Horn pretty much always available at 11. Rousseau is ranked something like #13 on PFN but often falls beyond that in their sims. One sim last night had Rousseau fall all the way to the Giants' 2nd-round pick. That's even rarer than Sewell falling to 11.
If he's  
allstarjim : 2/26/2021 4:43 pm : link
Legitimately the top OT in the class, then no, zero chance. Literally, none.
I think it's 50/50...  
bw in dc : 2/26/2021 5:01 pm : link
and that hinges on Cincinnati. They could just as easily go WR, TE, or defense at #5.

Jonah Williams finally played a full season last year, after missing his rookie year, and looked pretty good. So he may be their solution at LT.
Sewell shouldn't  
bc4life : 2/26/2021 5:17 pm : link
fall below 8.

I wouldn't bet against Sewell or Slater being the pick if they are still on the Board. If they can run the ball effectively - passing game will automatically get better. In fact, I would bet if the OT and WR are there that they like - they take OL. Tackles are too hard to find, you pretty much have to draft them.,
Sewell will NOT last until pick 11. No way.  
BelieveJJ : 2/26/2021 6:57 pm : link
Rumors that he is "dropping"are just that - rumors.
You could also call it flapdoodle, jobberwocky, or simply pure misdirection BS.
RE: Sewell shouldn't  
81_Great_Dane : 2/26/2021 6:58 pm : link
In comment 15162598 bc4life said:
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fall below 8.

I wouldn't bet against Sewell or Slater being the pick if they are still on the Board. If they can run the ball effectively - passing game will automatically get better. In fact, I would bet if the OT and WR are there that they like - they take OL. Tackles are too hard to find, you pretty much have to draft them.,
I don't like investing that much draft capital in OT, but if it gives them an elite line, that works for me. I'm just a fan, I don't have to manage he cap or the roster.

There are going to be some very, very good receiver prospects available rounds 2-5. Not every guy will be a scheme fit for every team, but there are going to be lots of options. Can't get Davonta Smith? Maybe take Tylan Wallace or Dyami Brown. Don't want to spend an early pick on Rashod Bateman or Terrace Marshall? There will be big "X" types Nico Collins, Seth Williams, Sage Surratt and Tamorrian Terry. Missed out on Kadarius Toney for slot? Try Tutu Atwell, Rondale Moore, Elijah Moore, Amari Rodgers or one of a dozen other short, fast guys.

I believe in attacking the biggest problem right away, and taking a WR in the first if you think one is worth your pick. (I think the Giants might put Bateman or Marshall higher on their board than Waddle — but high enough to take at 11?) But if you are willing to go by need, not BPA, in the later rounds, you could get 2-3 receivers, or 2 receivers and a TE.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/26/2021 7:02 pm : link
All the mocks I've seen have him gone before #11.
RE: Sewell will NOT last until pick 11. No way.  
bw in dc : 2/26/2021 7:47 pm : link
In comment 15162644 BelieveJJ said:
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Rumors that he is "dropping"are just that - rumors.
You could also call it flapdoodle, jobberwocky, or simply pure misdirection BS.


I don't think Sewell is dropping based his play. It seems the skill players on rising based on need and that's just naturally pushing Sewell down...
RE: RE: RE: I'd be shocked  
WillVAB : 2/26/2021 10:02 pm : link
In comment 15162339 JonC said:
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if they Giants picked Sewell or even Slater. They're probably hellbent on adding a WR, if Smith or Waddle are available.



That’s disappointing. This OL still needs work and it’s more important than any WR. Didn’t we just live this with Beckham?



They're not going to relive 2020 if they can avoid it.


If they’re pot committed to a WR at 11 then they’re simply continuing to make the same mistakes that’s led to them picking in the top 10 year in year out.

RE: If Judge has any say in personnel  
Saquads26 : 2/26/2021 10:55 pm : link
In comment 15162444 BigBlueCane said:
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I don't see him wanting a WR.


Lol
If Sewell's there at 10  
Gmanfandan : 2/27/2021 9:19 am : link
The cowboys will not let him slide - so, no he won't fall to 11
RE: RE: Sewell will NOT last until pick 11. No way.  
BelieveJJ : 2/27/2021 10:55 am : link
In comment 15162674 bw in dc said:
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Rumors that he is "dropping"are just that - rumors.
You could also call it flapdoodle, jobberwocky, or simply pure misdirection BS.



I don't think Sewell is dropping based his play. It seems the skill players on rising based on need and that's just naturally pushing Sewell down...


How so? Do the math! There are 4-5 teams in the top 10 draft slots who might be looking at QBs: Jags, Jets, Eagles, Lions and Panthers, and the Eagles have Hurts, the Jets have Darnold, and we're not sure either of those two really want to reload at QB just yet, since neither one is getting Lawrence.

There are 4 potential receivers among the top 10, but Waddle has had injuries and both he and Smith are on the small size for the NFL.

Who else is "moving up the boards" and displacing Sewell down? CBs Surtain and Farley? Farley didn't play all year and Surtain has ??? about his speed and agility really being elite NFL level.

Not to mention CB is NOT a premium pick to the extent that OLT is. Not remotely close.

Nobody is even that sure if either of Surtain or Farley are much better prospects than Horn, whereas Sewell is in a class of his own considering his play, youth, and athletic measureables.

Skills players "moving up" and displacing Sewell down is a pipe dream of your own vivid imagination. Looking at the "top" 20 pundits' mocks, how many have Sewell lasting past 5, let alone out of the top 10!
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