Rashod Bateman, turns in 4.39 in the 40

If nothing else, May not be a stretch at #11

are you uneasy with Smith?

I could see the Giants preferring Bateman. Bigger. They seem to want big. He's a prototypical X I think; they lack that and seem to want it. Smith or Waddle could be the "#1" but aren't that.

I think Bateman is a safer pick than Pitts, Waddle or Smith — but not necessarily better.

Why was he not considered a top receiver, with the other three? Hands, routes?
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About Smith....due to his size.

Played under 150lbs

Feels he will have trouble getting free off line.

I do not know enough.....but Bateman has been my favorite WR....he seems like a Julio Jones type

In comment 15163123 George from PA said:

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About Smith....due to his size. Played under 150lbs Feels he will have trouble getting free off line. I do not know enough.....but Bateman has been my favorite WR....he seems like a Julio Jones type

I’ve seen comps to Keenan Allen and CeeDee Lamb

is a faster Hakeem Nicks.

He may not bring the same magic as Nicks, but there's something similar in Bateman's game.

This guy can play.

This is the only one I liked for the Giants. Would love to know his vert.

In comment 15163128 M.S. said:

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is a faster Hakeem Nicks. He may not bring the same magic as Nicks, but there's something similar in Bateman's game. This guy can play.

Thank you. I didn’t care what his speed was perceived to be, he sure as heck was difficult to catch up to when he raced to the end zone. Sticky hands, ran a variety of routes, good character. What’s not to like?

Minnesota's pro day is April 1st. Were scouts present to time him? Honestly surprised that he ran that fast whereever it was....
Don't get me wrong..I really like Bateman

Not sure where he is projected to go though.

got the size, speed and strength, but I don't see him getting separation and I question his hands. He reminds me of Engram.

In comment 15163138 PatersonPlank said:

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Not sure where he is projected to go though.

I think the projections are all premature. Once the pro days are done, they'll be reshuffled.

Right now PFN has him around 20th and GBN has him outside the first round, #6 WR (Behind Chase, Smith, Waddle, Toney and Marshall) and #37 overall. I doubt it's going to play out that way.

One thing we know about the Giants: If they have a conviction on a guy, they'll take him and not worry about whether people say he was "overdrafted." So if they like Bateman at #11, it only matters to them if he's still on the board. But y'know, crazy stuff happens at the draft. What happens if Sewell falls? Or Zach Wilson is still on the board and someone offers a haul of picks to take him.

He seemed somewhat disinterested this year as compared to 2019.He does have some issues getting off the LOS as IRA mentioned.

Pulled back in 2020, but that's understandable with the chaos of the B1G with the limited schedules. I'd rather have Bateman than Waddle with the size/speed ratio.

On a different note, btw, check out the year Mohamed Ibrahim had for the Gophers at RB in 2020. It's incredible production in only seven games...I thought for sure he'd enter the draft.

by the Bulldogs or Gators or one the other credible football teams in the SEC?

I have heard they play football in other conferences, but come on.

:- )

Where did he run the 4.39?

From the article:... For his draft training, Bateman has been working with EXOS, a program that is also simulating the traditional NFL Combine workouts

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seems a little high, but I wouldn’t be stunned or upset if the Giants took him. As someone said, the Giants will take their player regardless of what anyone else thinks. See Jones, Daniel. Which is as it should be. And if that timed speed is even close to accurate, Bateman could easily rise up draft boards into the top 20. There are legitimate size questions about Waddle and Smith that affect their durability and ability to get off the LOS. Slayton is bigger than both, and he was bulled at the LOS last season. Waddle also broke his ankle last year.

I agree with whoever said he is a better version of Nicks. I also see some Dez Bryant. A write up I saw compared him to D.K. Metcalf. He has big, strong hands that he uses to snatch the ball out of the air. He also high points the ball well. He has had some drops, but he’s also made some fantastic one handed and contested catches. Of course, so has Engram.

He uses his size and strength to get off the LOS. He takes time to get to full speed, but that is true of most WRs his size. He runs very good routes, but isn’t going to make a lot of defenders miss in the open field. He can be hard to bring down after the catch.

I think he played five games in 2020 before opting out.

One good run doesn't equal 11 pick in the draft.

He is a late first round or early second but not the 11th pick

WR. Was hoping he’d make it to our 2nd round pick. Not likely.

In comment 15163123 George from PA said:

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About Smith....due to his size. Played under 150lbs Feels he will have trouble getting free off line. I do not know enough.....but Bateman has been my favorite WR....he seems like a Julio Jones type

I don’t know where 150lbs came from but the two games he faced the most press coverage (Georgia and Miss St) he had 11 catches for 167yrds 2TDs, and 11 catches for 203yrds 4TDs. Also he’s been PFFs best WR vs press the last two seasons and was the 2nd overall receiving target vs press with 94.0 score only behind Kyle Pitts at 97.0.

Scouts note his ability to vary his release based on coverage/defender/and route with comparisons to Davante Adams and Justin Jefferson.

A couple fairly recent breakdowns of DeVonta Smith that I think were fair.
Is Size a Problem for DeVonta Smith? - ( New Window )

DeVonta Smith vs Ja’Marr Chase
Who is Better? - ( New Window )

Chad Johnson (who I think DeVonta compares a lot to in play style) what weight he played at cause I know he played light. His answer.


Ochocinco has spoken - ( New Window )

smith was the best receiver on that team two years in a row. the other receivers on that team were jeudy, ruggs, and waddle. if they pass on or downgrade smith because of his size that entire personnel department should immediately be fired (then again they already should have so)

Anytime I got to watch Minnesota, Bateman always jumped off the screen. Would be a great addition to the Giants

I would take Bateman over Pitts.

He moves his feet like a WR. Pitts does not.

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I would take Bateman over Pitts. He moves his feet like a WR. Pitts does not.

Probably because Pitts is a TE that is 2 inches taller and weighs 30 more pounds

In comment 15163116 81_Great_Dane said:

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I could see the Giants preferring Bateman. Bigger. They seem to want big. He's a prototypical X

So was Ramses Barden. Greg Brady also "fit the suit" but sucked as a guitar player...

I think Smith looks better. Smith just seems faster and more elusive.

In comment 15163541 Saquads26 said:

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Probably because Pitts is a TE that is 2 inches taller and weighs 30 more pounds

True, but there have been plenty of posts that Pitts has the ability of a big WR.

I think the Giants sprint to hand this guys card in.

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got the size, speed and strength, but I don't see him getting separation and I question his hands. He reminds me of Engram.

+1.

The last thing I want is another "size, speed athlete" with questionable hands. That's Evan Engram. From the little video I've watched of him, even his highlights, despite his straight line speed it doesn't look as if he regularly gets a lot of separation, and he sometime struggles with contested catches.

I'd be much happier, if they want a target at #11, and went with any of Chase, Smith, Waddle or Pitts, one of whom should by there. Provided, of course, they check out medically.

In the 2nd. BBI’s collective minds explode. (At least the older guys)

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In comment 15163139 Ira said: Quote: got the size, speed and strength, but I don't see him getting separation and I question his hands. He reminds me of Engram. +1. The last thing I want is another "size, speed athlete" with questionable hands. That's Evan Engram. From the little video I've watched of him, even his highlights, despite his straight line speed it doesn't look as if he regularly gets a lot of separation, and he sometime struggles with contested catches. I'd be much happier, if they want a target at #11, and went with any of Chase, Smith, Waddle or Pitts, one of whom should by there. Provided, of course, they check out medically.

Just to play Devil's Advocate: DK Metcalf fell in the draft because people were just thinking he was all physical tools (size, speed, strength) and thought he hadn't proven enough in terms of football skills because he was a bit raw. I guess it's sort of a crapshoot when you bet on physical tools and hope the football part will pan out, but sometimes it does and truly pays off. I haven't watched any of Bateman in college so I'm not sure how good he looks nor how good he "should" look based on whatever his experience level is.

The dude can flat-out ball. He's not even going to be there at #11 so no point in debating this, he's gonna be long gone. But if by some act of God he fell to #11, I can't imagine why anyone would be "uneasy" about him. Just chalk this up as one more time in his life where people continue to doubt him because of his size-- I guess some people still haven't learned the lesson yet. He is going to be absolutely electrifying in the NFL

In comment 15163704 Leg of Theismann said:

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In comment 15163638 TC said: Quote: In comment 15163139 Ira said: Quote: got the size, speed and strength, but I don't see him getting separation and I question his hands. He reminds me of Engram. +1. The last thing I want is another "size, speed athlete" with questionable hands. That's Evan Engram. From the little video I've watched of him, even his highlights, despite his straight line speed it doesn't look as if he regularly gets a lot of separation, and he sometime struggles with contested catches. I'd be much happier, if they want a target at #11, and went with any of Chase, Smith, Waddle or Pitts, one of whom should by there. Provided, of course, they check out medically. Just to play Devil's Advocate: DK Metcalf fell in the draft because people were just thinking he was all physical tools (size, speed, strength) and thought he hadn't proven enough in terms of football skills because he was a bit raw. I guess it's sort of a crapshoot when you bet on physical tools and hope the football part will pan out, but sometimes it does and truly pays off. I haven't watched any of Bateman in college so I'm not sure how good he looks nor how good he "should" look based on whatever his experience level is.

metcalf is exactly what people predicted he'd be. he's a deep threat who isn't a great route runner. a majority of his big plays come on scramble improve plays. he'd have significantly different stats is wilson wasn't his qb

In comment 15163696 NNJ Tom said:

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In the 2nd. BBI’s collective minds explode. (At least the older guys)

Incredible player but always hurt, it seems.

If there's a way to keep him healthy, he's a steal in the 2nd. If not, he's a gamble in the 6th.

Metcalf was drafted at the 64th pick.....he probably would be a top 10 pick now.

How can you say....he is exactly what we thought he was?

of salt, even if Bateman runs a 4.5, he'd be a great get. Nicks is a great comp, Bateman is big, strong and aggressive. I'm not sure he's worthy of 11, but it wouldn't shock me if he ended up being the best WR in this class.

As for his production in 2020, sure it was down, but his QB Tanner Morgan was downright awful as opposed to 2019.

In comment 15163707 GiantsFan84 said:

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In comment 15163704 Leg of Theismann said: Quote: In comment 15163638 TC said: Quote: In comment 15163139 Ira said: Quote: got the size, speed and strength, but I don't see him getting separation and I question his hands. He reminds me of Engram. +1. The last thing I want is another "size, speed athlete" with questionable hands. That's Evan Engram. From the little video I've watched of him, even his highlights, despite his straight line speed it doesn't look as if he regularly gets a lot of separation, and he sometime struggles with contested catches. I'd be much happier, if they want a target at #11, and went with any of Chase, Smith, Waddle or Pitts, one of whom should by there. Provided, of course, they check out medically. Just to play Devil's Advocate: DK Metcalf fell in the draft because people were just thinking he was all physical tools (size, speed, strength) and thought he hadn't proven enough in terms of football skills because he was a bit raw. I guess it's sort of a crapshoot when you bet on physical tools and hope the football part will pan out, but sometimes it does and truly pays off. I haven't watched any of Bateman in college so I'm not sure how good he looks nor how good he "should" look based on whatever his experience level is. metcalf is exactly what people predicted he'd be. he's a deep threat who isn't a great route runner. a majority of his big plays come on scramble improve plays. he'd have significantly different stats is wilson wasn't his qb

I think you underrate Metcalf, but there are definitely far more busts like Stephen Hill of the Jets, Hakeem Butler than there are successes like Mike Evans or Hakeem Nicks.

In comment 15163130 chopperhatch said:

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This is the only one I liked for the Giants. Would love to know his vert.

Are you saying he is the only one you like because you assume Chase just won't be available, or do you genuinely only like Bateman and specifically do not like Chase (or Smith/Waddle)?

In comment 15163153 Grizz99 said:

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Where did he run the 4.39? From the article:... For his draft training, Bateman has been working with EXOS, a program that is also simulating the traditional NFL Combine workouts

So a company that he's paying to improve his combine numbers released news that Bateman ran a 40-time that reflects that they have improved his combine numbers?

This has less than zero value, IMO. The source here is just an ad for EXOS.

In comment 15164025 Gatorade Dunk said:

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So a company that he's paying to improve his combine numbers released news that Bateman ran a 40-time that reflects that they have improved his combine numbers? This has less than zero value, IMO. The source here is just an ad for EXOS.

Yeah, there is definitely spin with this 40 time, but I wouldn't see it is less than worthless. I mean, if he goes out and runs a 4.7 at his pro day, EXOS will look ridiculous. I'm sure the 40 is gussed up a bit, but I'd be surprised if his official time was that much slower. I'd guess high 4.4's, which would be a really good time for a guy his size.

In comment 15164217 Section331 said:

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In comment 15164025 Gatorade Dunk said: Quote: So a company that he's paying to improve his combine numbers released news that Bateman ran a 40-time that reflects that they have improved his combine numbers? This has less than zero value, IMO. The source here is just an ad for EXOS. Yeah, there is definitely spin with this 40 time, but I wouldn't see it is less than worthless. I mean, if he goes out and runs a 4.7 at his pro day, EXOS will look ridiculous. I'm sure the 40 is gussed up a bit, but I'd be surprised if his official time was that much slower. I'd guess high 4.4's, which would be a really good time for a guy his size.

Unless he's legitimately in the mid-4.4's or lower when his pro day rolls around, I'd actually expect him to opt out of his 40 that day, which would further confirm my POV. But EXOS has very little to lose here - no one had heard of them before, and even if Bateman crawls to the finish line on his pro day, they're really no worse off. No one is going to assume they made him slower.