With all of the talk about playmakers, do we keep Engram, etc. I saw multiple TE related posts that referenced Shockey. I was a big Shockey fan, loved how he played the game when he was part of our team.
However, he also never seemed to fully click with Eli. His screaming for the ball all the time was like a warning to what was to come with OBJ years later.
Shockey statistically had a good year that season before he got hurt, but I felt like after he went down with the injury Eli was more relaxed and guys like Steve Smith and obviously Kevin Boss took on bigger roles and rose to the challenge.
I’m not sure we would have won that year if Shockey was available for the playoff run. Would like to hear what you guys think.
But he scores on that Biss 45yrder in the superbowl.....lol
It’s the offseason, pre draft and free agency. Why not talk about past seasons and what ifs?
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hell knows? Or wants to spend time wondering?
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Tiki retiring and then Shockey being injured allowed Eli to be the leader that he needed to be for the team to win.
Shockey apparently was a divisive force on the offense and would even say things like.. "nice throw asshole" to Eli in the huddle.
Shockey apparently was a divisive force on the offense and would even say things like.. "nice throw asshole" to Eli in the huddle.
Interesting, thanks for sharing that. I’ve always leaned to the side that Shockey going down definitely opened the door for Eli to become the leader he was in 2007.
My vote is we don’t win with Shockey still out there pitching a fit when he doesn’t get the ball enough
My vote is we don’t win with Shockey still out there pitching a fit when he doesn’t get the ball enough
yeah I have this vision of Shockey throwing his hands up in the air because he was open and the ball did not get thrown to him.
I think yes, 100%
I don't think so.
Though, I believe he was the only one to ever unnerve Eli..
That story about Shockey in the huddle is believable, we saw his antics on the field.
And we wouldn't have won it with Barber either.
This is why character and chemistry are so important and in many instances are more important than pure talent. Thank you Kevin Boss...
Shockley was a weapon for sure, but his Miami hype was just that... plenty of TE in the nfl accomplished what he did with far less distraction.
I don't think we win it all with him.
The moral of the story: be a good teammate; don't be a douche.
EXACTLY!
Shockey was animated. He was also productive.
That said, I wouldn't have changed a thing from that december-january-february 07-8 run. Boss played well and guys like Steve Smith played well. Also, that backup WR who played specials made a pretty big play or two in super bowl 42. Who knows what happens if Shockey plays. But he wasn't a cancer or anything like it. He won a ring with the Giants that he earned and he caught a TD in the Saints super bowl win a few years later.
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awful playoff loss in SF than anyone. Throwing ice at SF fans, barking on the field, and dropping big passes, including an easy TD. He completely melted down. He was anything but a money player.
EXACTLY!
this is a weird way of looking at things. Which is a nice way to put it. The guy who caught a bunch of passes for a bunch of yards was the guy responsible for the loss and NOT the defense? Not the HC? Not the DC? Not the lack of a 2nd WR worth a thing?
Stop.
I blame the defense and Johnny Lynn and Fassel. Shockey helped the offense score 38 points. Should have been enough.
The ultimate game changer? It's cute how you're trying to make it sound so important....but that's just lazy and reductive nonsense. His drop had nothing to do with the tons of other things that went wrong in the remaining TWENTY MINUTES of game time that followed.
Both Manning brothers emphasize how much “team” meant to them, that their favorite times were airplane rides after wins, knocking back beers on the bus (Eli had a beer guy in every city I believe O’Hara said), working hard with your teammates at practice, socializing together, etc. but not really the games, which are a fraction of the time spent together.
Peyton was a lead dog who nobody would dare cross. He was a co-equal branch of the Colts’ Government. Eli was more of a go along to get along guy, and I think that didn’t always serve him well with teammates who thought they were bigger than the team (me-first).
I have sometimes wondered how Eli would’ve handled things if he had a Coach who wasn’t also a father-figure.
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who in their right minds would dispute that? BUT there’s almost always ONE moment in every game that could be pointed to as the ULTIMATE GAME-CHANGER and Shockey’s wide open end zone drop of a perfect KC pass is THAT VERY MOMENT..
The ultimate game changer? It's cute how you're trying to make it sound so important....but that's just lazy and reductive nonsense. His drop had nothing to do with the tons of other things that went wrong in the remaining TWENTY MINUTES of game time that followed.
The ultimate game-changer in my mind.. I would appreciate you not categorizing my opinion as lazy or nonsensical. Many more people agree with this “nonsense” than don’t. But it’s okay to say the huge Engram drop at the beginning of the season was huge, a game-changer even though there were many other reasons for the loss that made his drop more glaring.
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who in their right minds would dispute that? BUT there’s almost always ONE moment in every game that could be pointed to as the ULTIMATE GAME-CHANGER and Shockey’s wide open end zone drop of a perfect KC pass is THAT VERY MOMENT..
The ultimate game changer? It's cute how you're trying to make it sound so important....but that's just lazy and reductive nonsense. His drop had nothing to do with the tons of other things that went wrong in the remaining TWENTY MINUTES of game time that followed.
I agree with Bruce, as I'm sure many others do. Don't be disrespectful. Shockey was a man-child, so stop defending him.
Not to mention, Shockey had 7 catches on 14 targets, so 7 of KC's 9 incompletions were to Shockey. Even the aforementioned "lack of a 2nd WR" Ron Dixon had 5 catches on 6 targets.
Shockey was the ultimate wild card, capable of a huge play at any moment, but broke off routes and wasn't very dependable. I used to watch him go back to the huddle after most pass plays, and EVERY TIME he would be visibly bitching if the ball didn't come his way. I have to think everyone on the offense was relieved when he was gone;.