for display only
Big Blue Interactive The Corner Forum  
Back to the Corner

Archived Thread

NFT: Knicks Chat: 4th Place! Game @ Pistons Tonight

Jon in NYC : 2/28/2021 8:26 am
Really fun game last night. Other than RJ's two bricked crunch time free throws, he had a great 4th quarter. 4 3s overall last night on 6 attempts. He's at 34% from distance which is steadily getting him out of non shooter territory. In fact, since Jan 1 he's shooting 39% from 3 which is decidedly a threat from distance.

Frank with another big time defensive play to seal the win. The story stays the same, if he can find a way to contribute on offense he'll get minutes. He's definitely jumped Rivers in the rotation, and if Elfrid gets traded at the deadline looks like he'll find regular time.

I someone still don't think is being made enough about Julius Randle's turnaround. The Knicks took a PF 8th overall this season because I would assume -- like literally everybody else without the last name Randle -- that they thought Julius would be gone after the year. He was a ball hog, a poor defender, an average shooter, an iffy leader. Fast forward one offseason and literally every night he is leading them in a number of categories and showing something new. Last night he held Sabonis to 15 points including a prayer banked 3 with 30 seconds left (Noel helped at the end due to foul woes) and had 4 steals. One of the most remarkable year over year turnarounds I've ever seen to be honest, and I don't think that's hyperbole. I'm actually curious if anyone can bring up some similar situations in the past, even across sports.

And then that leads into the Knicks as a team. 4th overall in the east. Still only .500, but coming into the year the question was "which top 5 guy makes the most sense in this loaded draft". Now they're on pace to pick around 20th. This is another situation I just don't remember there being another clear parallel for. Expected complete bottom dweller in the NBA turns into potential home court advantage team in the playoffs. It's a really fun group to watch too. The bench is active and gets hyped, they seem to love playing with each other. It's a really fun team to watch. I have friends from out of state texting me stuff about the Knicks for the first time in forever. Really did not see this as in the realm of possibilities this year, but wow what a pleasant surprise.

Going to be a sneaky tough game against the Pistons. Have to travel to Detroit, Taj is probably unlikely to play, and Noel just played 41 minutes. I really think they should consider bringing up Skal Labissiere from Westchester, who at least has played NBA minutes before and waiving Harper. I bet Obi gets more burn as well. Should be a fun one against a beatable team but with some challenges.
Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 <<Prev | Show All |
RE: Knicks are going to make a move  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/2/2021 8:23 am : link
In comment 15164551 nygiants16 said:
Quote:
or 2 or maybe 3, Rose and Thibs are not jjst going to sitback and ride it out..


The second-half schedule is a real bear. I don't think they'll get fooled into thinking they should make a big move, but I could sure see them making a small add.
RE: RE: Knicks are going to make a move  
nygiants16 : 3/2/2021 8:27 am : link
In comment 15164556 Ten Ton Hammer said:
Quote:
In comment 15164551 nygiants16 said:


Quote:


or 2 or maybe 3, Rose and Thibs are not jjst going to sitback and ride it out..



The second-half schedule is a real bear. I don't think they'll get fooled into thinking they should make a big move, but I could sure see them making a small add.


I dont think the big move is out there unless something surprising happens..
RE: Knicks are going to make a move  
larryflower37 : 3/2/2021 8:33 am : link
In comment 15164551 nygiants16 said:
Quote:
or 2 or maybe 3, Rose and Thibs are not jjst going to sitback and ride it out..


I don't see the move being there and if they are it will be small moves.
This is a surprising year but should not have them fooled into thinking they are a big move away.
I really don't understand the position that Oladipo doesn't fit  
Heisenberg : 3/2/2021 8:34 am : link
or provide spacing. The only reasonable concerns IMO are the cost in terms of assets for a 6 month rental or his health. Both of those are reasons to pass. But from a basketball only perspective, obviously a healthy Oladipo improves the team.

The good news is that it seems unlikely that this Knicks regime will overpay for VO. Previous regimes would absolutely have already pulled the trigger and overpaid. I feel pretty good that if VO ends up a Knick, the cost will be something we can live with.
RE: Knicks are going to make a move  
Semipro Lineman : 3/2/2021 8:38 am : link
In comment 15164551 nygiants16 said:
Quote:
or 2 or maybe 3, Rose and Thibs are not jjst going to sitback and ride it out..


Why not, is there any move available that can make this team a serious contender? Then why use your trading pieces on moves that will only improve your short-term playoff chances?
Is there a bigger douche on tv  
nygiants16 : 3/2/2021 8:38 am : link
than Nick Wright? They were laughing at Knicks fans yesterday for being happy with the Knicks..
RE: Is there a bigger douche on tv  
adamg : 3/2/2021 9:01 am : link
In comment 15164574 nygiants16 said:
Quote:
than Nick Wright? They were laughing at Knicks fans yesterday for being happy with the Knicks..


He's such a phony.
RE: I really don't understand the position that Oladipo doesn't fit  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/2/2021 9:15 am : link
In comment 15164568 Heisenberg said:
Quote:
or provide spacing.


He's not a good shooter. That's one's easy. It's hard to provide spacing if you're shooting 32% from 3 and that's not even wildly out of character for his career.

Reggie Bullock is shooting 38%, for reference.
based on reports it looks like  
Enzo : 3/2/2021 9:52 am : link
Oladipo is looking to chase the money. I think he's a little bit better than some folks here are giving him credit for, but I don't want to go 4 years at big money for a guy with durability concerns. Especially given the way Thibs leans on his starters and eschews rest days.

If Oladipo can't find the dollars he's looking for this summer, maybe we can get him on a one year deal. Wouldn't be the worst thing.
i agree Oladipo is not a great fit...  
Italianju : 3/2/2021 9:53 am : link
and i wouldnt pay him big money and i wouldnt give up more then knox and a protected pick for him, but he does make us better. He is a better basketball player then bullock by a significant amount whether he shoots 32% from 3 or not. Ill take the rest of him over the 1 more 3 out of ever 10 that Bullock might hit.

Again not saying i want him, but the idea that because he doesnt shoot 40% he doesnt improve us doesnt make sense. Everyone said the same thing about Rose and i think he has improved the team.
RE: RE: I really don't understand the position that Oladipo doesn't fit  
Jon in NYC : 3/2/2021 9:54 am : link
In comment 15164609 Ten Ton Hammer said:
Quote:
In comment 15164568 Heisenberg said:


Quote:


or provide spacing.



He's not a good shooter. That's one's easy. It's hard to provide spacing if you're shooting 32% from 3 and that's not even wildly out of character for his career.

Reggie Bullock is shooting 38%, for reference.


The difference is Bullock only shoots wide open corner 3s.

Oladipo is letting it fly off the dribble.

I'm not saying he's a good shooter, but I'd trust him to make a 3 over Bullock.
RE: i agree Oladipo is not a great fit...  
nygiants16 : 3/2/2021 9:56 am : link
In comment 15164637 Italianju said:
Quote:
and i wouldnt pay him big money and i wouldnt give up more then knox and a protected pick for him, but he does make us better. He is a better basketball player then bullock by a significant amount whether he shoots 32% from 3 or not. Ill take the rest of him over the 1 more 3 out of ever 10 that Bullock might hit.

Again not saying i want him, but the idea that because he doesnt shoot 40% he doesnt improve us doesnt make sense. Everyone said the same thing about Rose and i think he has improved the team.


Yup, look what adding Rose did to the starting unit
RE: RE: RE: I really don't understand the position that Oladipo doesn't fit  
BigBlueShock : 3/2/2021 9:58 am : link
In comment 15164639 Jon in NYC said:
Quote:
In comment 15164609 Ten Ton Hammer said:


Quote:


In comment 15164568 Heisenberg said:


Quote:


or provide spacing.



He's not a good shooter. That's one's easy. It's hard to provide spacing if you're shooting 32% from 3 and that's not even wildly out of character for his career.

Reggie Bullock is shooting 38%, for reference.



The difference is Bullock only shoots wide open corner 3s.

Oladipo is letting it fly off the dribble.

I'm not saying he's a good shooter, but I'd trust him to make a 3 over Bullock.

I mean, yeah I agree with this, but trusting him more than Reggie Bullock is still not a ringing endorsement or a reason to pay him the contract he’s going to want.
I do  
Jon in NYC : 3/2/2021 9:59 am : link
think adding Oladipo at any long term commitment really hurts the Knicks in the long term.

The next big long term salary they should add should be a legit all star with very few warts who fits in their timeline. Someone 25-27. Lavine, Booker, Beal make the most sense.
RE: RE: RE: I really don't understand the position that Oladipo doesn't fit  
Heisenberg : 3/2/2021 10:01 am : link
In comment 15164639 Jon in NYC said:
Quote:
In comment 15164609 Ten Ton Hammer said:


Quote:


In comment 15164568 Heisenberg said:


Quote:


or provide spacing.



He's not a good shooter. That's one's easy. It's hard to provide spacing if you're shooting 32% from 3 and that's not even wildly out of character for his career.

Reggie Bullock is shooting 38%, for reference.



The difference is Bullock only shoots wide open corner 3s.

Oladipo is letting it fly off the dribble.

I'm not saying he's a good shooter, but I'd trust him to make a 3 over Bullock.



Yeah, this is the thing. They're roughly equivalent catch and shoot guys this year. (bullock 40% and VO 38%) But Oladipo offers a lot more offensively than Bullock. And a competitive team needs another guy who can take a big shot at the end of the game. Oladipo offers that.
I realize the powers that be  
Enzo : 3/2/2021 10:02 am : link
likely feel differently, but I still think that if there's any kind of market for guys like Reggie, Elf, and Rivers, I'd be looking to sell on them. Or at the very least they should be looking to use their remaining cap space to take on a deal in exchange for a pick.
RE: I do  
Enzo : 3/2/2021 10:03 am : link
In comment 15164644 Jon in NYC said:
Quote:
think adding Oladipo at any long term commitment really hurts the Knicks in the long term.

The next big long term salary they should add should be a legit all star with very few warts who fits in their timeline. Someone 25-27. Lavine, Booker, Beal make the most sense.

bingo. They have to remain patient and look to pounce when a better/younger guy is available. Then you can overpay a bit if necessary.
RE: I realize the powers that be  
nygiants16 : 3/2/2021 10:15 am : link
In comment 15164647 Enzo said:
Quote:
likely feel differently, but I still think that if there's any kind of market for guys like Reggie, Elf, and Rivers, I'd be looking to sell on them. Or at the very least they should be looking to use their remaining cap space to take on a deal in exchange for a pick.


I think if anything those are the 3 guys they would sell
RE: RE: I do  
Jan in DC : 3/2/2021 10:17 am : link
In comment 15164649 Enzo said:
Quote:
In comment 15164644 Jon in NYC said:


Quote:


think adding Oladipo at any long term commitment really hurts the Knicks in the long term.

The next big long term salary they should add should be a legit all star with very few warts who fits in their timeline. Someone 25-27. Lavine, Booker, Beal make the most sense.


bingo. They have to remain patient and look to pounce when a better/younger guy is available. Then you can overpay a bit if necessary.


I agree with all of that. Basically this year is a blessing. We're way better than we have any right to be and have shown potential free agents that we're a good destination.

If we can trade a vet or someone who doesn't have future with the team for a pick or assets, that's the type of thing you do so you have more capital to maybe pursue one of these players during the offseason or draft night.

I actually think LaVine would be really good with this team right now.
RE: RE: RE: I really don't understand the position that Oladipo doesn't fit  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/2/2021 10:18 am : link
In comment 15164639 Jon in NYC said:
Quote:
In comment 15164609 Ten Ton Hammer said:


Quote:


In comment 15164568 Heisenberg said:


Quote:


or provide spacing.



He's not a good shooter. That's one's easy. It's hard to provide spacing if you're shooting 32% from 3 and that's not even wildly out of character for his career.

Reggie Bullock is shooting 38%, for reference.



The difference is Bullock only shoots wide open corner 3s.

Oladipo is letting it fly off the dribble.


Is he though? I'm looking at his advanced shooting and maybe I'm interpreting the chart wrong, but it looks like 67% of his attempted 3s are off assists.



RE: RE: I realize the powers that be  
Enzo : 3/2/2021 10:24 am : link
In comment 15164655 nygiants16 said:
Quote:
In comment 15164647 Enzo said:


Quote:


likely feel differently, but I still think that if there's any kind of market for guys like Reggie, Elf, and Rivers, I'd be looking to sell on them. Or at the very least they should be looking to use their remaining cap space to take on a deal in exchange for a pick.



I think if anything those are the 3 guys they would sell

maybe you bring back Reggie on the cheap next season if Thibs really likes him. But he should be a rotation piece...not one of your starters logging heavy minutes.
I'd love to pry Lonzo from NO  
adamg : 3/2/2021 10:27 am : link
What would that take?

I'd trade one of our ones and Knox. Is that enough?
VO vs Bullock Stats  
Heisenberg : 3/2/2021 10:28 am : link
Oladipo Shot Tracking [URL]https://www.nba.com/stats/player/203506/shots-dash/[/url]

Bullock Shot Tracking https://www.nba.com/stats/player/203493/shots-dash/

These stats track shots off dribbles, and shots at different times in the clock, etc.

I think if you look at these you can see that even this year, VO can do what RB is being asked to do by Thibs. He can fill that catch and shoot role. He can do as much for spacing as Bullock does.

But he's been asked to do a lot more including shots late in the clock off the dribble, etc. that Bullock hasn't been asked to do. This, combined with being traded to an absolute shit team mid season, can definitely mess with efficiency.

I think he's a good fit for the Knicks. I'll also be totally fine if the Knicks feel he's too costly to bring in.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I really don't understand the position that Oladipo doesn't fit  
giants#1 : 3/2/2021 10:29 am : link
In comment 15164660 Ten Ton Hammer said:
Quote:

The difference is Bullock only shoots wide open corner 3s.

Oladipo is letting it fly off the dribble.




Is he though? I'm looking at his advanced shooting and maybe I'm interpreting the chart wrong, but it looks like 67% of his attempted 3s are off assists.




NBA.com has catch-and-shoot % with VO listed at 38% on 3s.

I think you can dribble a few times and then attempt a pull-up and still have it count as "assisted".
Link - ( New Window )
RE: RE: RE: RE: I really don't understand the position that Oladipo doesn't fit  
Jon in NYC : 3/2/2021 10:29 am : link
In comment 15164660 Ten Ton Hammer said:
Quote:
In comment 15164639 Jon in NYC said:


Quote:


In comment 15164609 Ten Ton Hammer said:


Quote:


In comment 15164568 Heisenberg said:


Quote:


or provide spacing.



He's not a good shooter. That's one's easy. It's hard to provide spacing if you're shooting 32% from 3 and that's not even wildly out of character for his career.

Reggie Bullock is shooting 38%, for reference.



The difference is Bullock only shoots wide open corner 3s.

Oladipo is letting it fly off the dribble.




Is he though? I'm looking at his advanced shooting and maybe I'm interpreting the chart wrong, but it looks like 67% of his attempted 3s are off assists.




Good find. It's possible I'm off, although even if 67% of his attempts are off assists, that's 2.5 attempts per game that are coming off the dribble. Bullock attempts 4.6, I'd venture to guess a very small percentage of those are off the dribble.
RE: I'd love to pry Lonzo from NO  
Enzo : 3/2/2021 10:31 am : link
In comment 15164671 adamg said:
Quote:
What would that take?

I'd trade one of our ones and Knox. Is that enough?

he's a restricted free agent this summer so the Pelicans still have some control over the situation. There's no reason for them to sell low on him.
No Taj, Payton doubtful  
nygiants16 : 3/2/2021 10:43 am : link
Really wonder what Thibs does when Payton is healthy to play..
Ok, i'm out on Oladipo  
Heisenberg : 3/2/2021 11:06 am : link
this doesn't look good for someone with his history of injuries
Link - ( New Window )
i think everyone is on the same page that...  
Italianju : 3/2/2021 11:11 am : link
they dont want to give up much for Oladipo and nobody wants to sign him to big money.

Also that injury was in the first half and he returned to start the second so i think he was fine. Of course you would want to see that he is fine, but i think he is fine.
RE: Ok, i'm out on Oladipo  
nygiants16 : 3/2/2021 11:12 am : link
In comment 15164724 Heisenberg said:
Quote:
this doesn't look good for someone with his history of injuries Link - ( New Window )


he played 40 minutes last night
I will say, just because we're good at defense doesn't mean  
adamg : 3/2/2021 11:15 am : link
VO wouldn't add to it.

That said, he's not what we need.
Windhorst on his pod  
nygiants16 : 3/2/2021 11:27 am : link
said he predicts a star will force his way to NY in the next 12 months, he said he has talked to numerous front office people and they all say the same thing...He wouldnt go ibto who but said front office people have their predicitions..

Said Wes and Rose are well connected and have the fire powrr to get someone to new york
Knicks have a G League guy that ESPN+ thinks might deserve a callup  
Heisenberg : 3/2/2021 11:31 am : link
Quote:
Louis King, 6-8, small forward, Oregon (Westchester Knicks), 21.8 years old

Surprisingly undrafted in 2019 after a one-and-done season capped by a strong postseason run at Oregon, King found himself out of the NBA entirely at age 21, which was likely a wake-up call for the former McDonald's All-American. NBA scouts say that was more due to off-floor concerns than his evaluation as a NBA caliber player, concerns King has had to work hard to alleviate.

He would be a junior in college had he not left Oregon early, and surely would be projected as a first-round draft pick with what he's shown in the G League so far.


Louis King's skill set and size could be coveted by an NBA team. Photo by Juan Ocampo/NBAE via Getty Images
King has proven to be one of the best shooters in the G League thus far, making 50% of his 3-pointers while intriguing evaluators by handling the ball in pick-and-roll, shooting off the dribble and making plays for others. At 6-8 with a 7-foot wingspan and impressive fluidity, there just aren't that many wing players in his mold in the G League who can dribble, pass and shoot, which makes King an easy target for a league starved for players in that mold.

While he needs to get stronger, King also has some untapped potential defensively that could be developed as well. He's long and rangy and has shown the ability to defend players of several different types, using his length to bother smaller players and using his size to put a body on big men. His Westchester Knicks utilize smaller lineups with very liberal switching, which has offered King plenty of opportunity to show his versatility. If the intel on King checks out, expect him to get a call-up to the NBA fairly soon.

insider article - ( New Window )
hopefully its a legit star  
giants#1 : 3/2/2021 11:32 am : link
not an aging star on his last legs or an injury waiting to happen.
RE: Windhorst on his pod  
Enzo : 3/2/2021 11:33 am : link
In comment 15164742 nygiants16 said:
Quote:
said he predicts a star will force his way to NY in the next 12 months, he said he has talked to numerous front office people and they all say the same thing...He wouldnt go ibto who but said front office people have their predicitions..

Said Wes and Rose are well connected and have the fire powrr to get someone to new york

we've heard this crap before. I'll believe it when I see it.
regarding the G League  
Enzo : 3/2/2021 11:38 am : link
it would be great if we could move Rivers and open up a roster spot. As for our other end of bench guys, I don't know much about Pinson but he's not all that young...and Harper is pretty small.
RE: RE: Windhorst on his pod  
nygiants16 : 3/2/2021 11:42 am : link
In comment 15164751 Enzo said:
Quote:
In comment 15164742 nygiants16 said:


Quote:


said he predicts a star will force his way to NY in the next 12 months, he said he has talked to numerous front office people and they all say the same thing...He wouldnt go ibto who but said front office people have their predicitions..

Said Wes and Rose are well connected and have the fire powrr to get someone to new york


we've heard this crap before. I'll believe it when I see it.


I think its a little different now that they are not a dumpster fire
It's so nice to be able to talk about basketball  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/2/2021 11:48 am : link
and not how big a dumpster fire the Knicks are.
Louis  
Jon in NYC : 3/2/2021 11:51 am : link
King certainly sounds interesting.

Hitting 50% of your 3s on 4 attempts gets you a spot on a roster even if you bring nothing else to the table.
King has serious length  
Greg from LI : 3/2/2021 11:53 am : link
I know he was a pain in the ass to play against in college. Good 3 and D development project.
What's steve novak doing these days.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/2/2021 11:53 am : link
.
Calling Bucks games on TV  
Greg from LI : 3/2/2021 12:06 pm : link
.
RE: RE: RE: Windhorst on his pod  
larryflower37 : 3/2/2021 12:37 pm : link
In comment 15164771 nygiants16 said:
Quote:
In comment 15164751 Enzo said:


Quote:


In comment 15164742 nygiants16 said:


Quote:


said he predicts a star will force his way to NY in the next 12 months, he said he has talked to numerous front office people and they all say the same thing...He wouldnt go ibto who but said front office people have their predicitions..

Said Wes and Rose are well connected and have the fire powrr to get someone to new york


we've heard this crap before. I'll believe it when I see it.



I think its a little different now that they are not a dumpster fire

His point was the culture has change and Rose,WWW,and winning have made the Knicks relevant.
He also said Randle is the chip to bring the "superstar".

My guess would be Mitchell.
mitchell doesnt help us.....  
Italianju : 3/2/2021 3:11 pm : link
he isnt a lethal 3 pt shooter.....

kidding aside, mitchell just signed a huge extension, cant imagine he forces his way off the team with the best record in the league not even a year after signing a huge extension.
I'm  
Jon in NYC : 3/2/2021 3:16 pm : link
not trading Randle to get a superstar. He's at the point where his passing and shooting ability allow him to play second or third banana to a superstar. It would be two steps forward one backward, depending on the player.

He's also the leader of the team. He's a building block and tbh we should probably extend him sooner rather than later.
RE: Windhorst on his pod  
djm : 3/2/2021 3:18 pm : link
In comment 15164742 nygiants16 said:
Quote:
said he predicts a star will force his way to NY in the next 12 months, he said he has talked to numerous front office people and they all say the same thing...He wouldnt go ibto who but said front office people have their predicitions..

Said Wes and Rose are well connected and have the fire powrr to get someone to new york


That's my feeling as well. Of course I don't know fuck all and don't write for the NBA, but i'd bet on a star forcing his way to MSG before this time next year. PRobably sooner.

Exciting time.
RE: I'm  
djm : 3/2/2021 3:22 pm : link
In comment 15165030 Jon in NYC said:
Quote:
not trading Randle to get a superstar. He's at the point where his passing and shooting ability allow him to play second or third banana to a superstar. It would be two steps forward one backward, depending on the player.

He's also the leader of the team. He's a building block and tbh we should probably extend him sooner rather than later.


I assume by chip, he meant Randle is a guy that will draw a star here to MSG.

No way am I trading Randle. Not for anything less than what any other team would deem, "too much." No team would trade what I want for Randle and I ain't trading him for anything less. Fuck off NBA. We discovered Randle. He's ours.

Randle is making it look easy. This run of his is sustainable. To me it even looks more sustainable than Melo's play back in 2013.

Add to Randle. We could be so nasty with another big time player and some added backcourt and frontcourt depth.
I actually met Louis King a couple of years ago before the Draft  
Anakim : 3/2/2021 3:25 pm : link
I didn't know him from Adam and my friend (some of you may know him) had to identify him.


IDK how to upload a photo from my drive - ( New Window )
I've seen a quote where Kobe called Julius Randle  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/2/2021 3:31 pm : link
"Lamar Odom in Zach Randolph's body"

Odom was a great player to be 2 or a 3 in a big 3.
My hope would be Dame.  
Mike from SI : 3/2/2021 3:43 pm : link
I say that with literally 0 knowledge of rumors. It just makes sense and would make me happy.
Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 <<Prev | Show All |
Back to the Corner