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NFT: Knicks Chat: 4th Place! Game @ Pistons Tonight

Jon in NYC : 2/28/2021 8:26 am
Really fun game last night. Other than RJ's two bricked crunch time free throws, he had a great 4th quarter. 4 3s overall last night on 6 attempts. He's at 34% from distance which is steadily getting him out of non shooter territory. In fact, since Jan 1 he's shooting 39% from 3 which is decidedly a threat from distance.

Frank with another big time defensive play to seal the win. The story stays the same, if he can find a way to contribute on offense he'll get minutes. He's definitely jumped Rivers in the rotation, and if Elfrid gets traded at the deadline looks like he'll find regular time.

I someone still don't think is being made enough about Julius Randle's turnaround. The Knicks took a PF 8th overall this season because I would assume -- like literally everybody else without the last name Randle -- that they thought Julius would be gone after the year. He was a ball hog, a poor defender, an average shooter, an iffy leader. Fast forward one offseason and literally every night he is leading them in a number of categories and showing something new. Last night he held Sabonis to 15 points including a prayer banked 3 with 30 seconds left (Noel helped at the end due to foul woes) and had 4 steals. One of the most remarkable year over year turnarounds I've ever seen to be honest, and I don't think that's hyperbole. I'm actually curious if anyone can bring up some similar situations in the past, even across sports.

And then that leads into the Knicks as a team. 4th overall in the east. Still only .500, but coming into the year the question was "which top 5 guy makes the most sense in this loaded draft". Now they're on pace to pick around 20th. This is another situation I just don't remember there being another clear parallel for. Expected complete bottom dweller in the NBA turns into potential home court advantage team in the playoffs. It's a really fun group to watch too. The bench is active and gets hyped, they seem to love playing with each other. It's a really fun team to watch. I have friends from out of state texting me stuff about the Knicks for the first time in forever. Really did not see this as in the realm of possibilities this year, but wow what a pleasant surprise.

Going to be a sneaky tough game against the Pistons. Have to travel to Detroit, Taj is probably unlikely to play, and Noel just played 41 minutes. I really think they should consider bringing up Skal Labissiere from Westchester, who at least has played NBA minutes before and waiving Harper. I bet Obi gets more burn as well. Should be a fun one against a beatable team but with some challenges.
Couldn't fall asleep last night  
Chris L. : 2/28/2021 8:40 am : link
because all I could think about was how bright our future is. Already playing 500 ball, 5th youngest team in the league, 1st in available cap space, great coach, playing in the greatest arena in the world, best fans in the world, key players are Randle 26, Barrett 20, Mitch 22, Obi 22, IQ 21, Knox 20...you get the picture!!!!
Detroit is not as big as they used to be  
nygiants16 : 2/28/2021 8:40 am : link
Probably can get away with playing small against detroit..

Randle, Noel and Toppin cna be the 3 rotating bigs and maybe knox gets a few minutes..

Frank and Quickley are going to be big tonight becajse Rose may be a little gassed from playing 38 minutes last night..

Tonight the bench needs to come in and dominate, they should have fresh legs..

Oh and Randle is turning into not only an all star but star player for this team.
RE: Couldn't fall asleep last night  
robbieballs2003 : 2/28/2021 8:41 am : link
In comment 15163369 Chris L. said:
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because all I could think about was how bright our future is. Already playing 500 ball, 5th youngest team in the league, 1st in available cap space, great coach, playing in the greatest arena in the world, best fans in the world, key players are Randle 26, Barrett 20, Mitch 22, Obi 22, IQ 21, Knox 20...you get the picture!!!!


The fans were annoying chanting MVP for Randle, Rose, and Barrett. They get a pass though because they are still in preseason form. Lol
RE: Couldn't fall asleep last night  
jnoble : 2/28/2021 8:44 am : link
In comment 15163369 Chris L. said:
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because all I could think about was how bright our future is. Already playing 500 ball, 5th youngest team in the league, 1st in available cap space, great coach, playing in the greatest arena in the world, best fans in the world, key players are Randle 26, Barrett 20, Mitch 22, Obi 22, IQ 21, Knox 20...you get the picture!!!!


Isn't Knox a permanent bench warmer and trade bait at this point?
Knox played a little last night  
robbieballs2003 : 2/28/2021 8:45 am : link
Injuries have dictated that.
Yeah those MVP chants are embarrasing  
Chris L. : 2/28/2021 8:47 am : link
makes the fans look like they know nothing about basketball when we all know they might be the most knowledgble fans in the world.
Rose looked  
Enzo : 2/28/2021 9:47 am : link
gassed at the end of the game last night. I think IQ needs to play the majority of the mins at PG tonight if Payton can't go. And with Gibson out, it's time to try some small-ball for 15-20 mins.
RE: Yeah those MVP chants are embarrasing  
Jim in Fairfax : 2/28/2021 9:50 am : link
In comment 15163381 Chris L. said:
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makes the fans look like they know nothing about basketball when we all know they might be the most knowledgble fans in the world.

It’s long been exaggerated, the IQ of the fans. But an MVP chant isnt really indicative of that. That’s just fans showing appreciation.
RE: Yeah those MVP chants are embarrasing  
nygiants16 : 2/28/2021 9:55 am : link
In comment 15163381 Chris L. said:
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makes the fans look like they know nothing about basketball when we all know they might be the most knowledgble fans in the world.


not to mention everytime they do it thebplayer misses a free throw
oh Jesus  
Enzo : 2/28/2021 10:06 am : link
the MVP chants are mostly a joke. Wasn't there one for Portis last year? lol...
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Optimus-NY : 2/28/2021 11:03 am : link
when did the MVP chants start?  
Enzo : 2/28/2021 11:43 am : link
I feel like they first appeared when STAT had his run of high scoring games in early in the 10/11 season.
RE: when did the MVP chants start?  
robbieballs2003 : 2/28/2021 11:51 am : link
In comment 15163486 Enzo said:
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I feel like they first appeared when STAT had his run of high scoring games in early in the 10/11 season.


That's when I remember them but they were only for guys who turned our team around. They weren't used for multiple players especially during the same game. I know the fans were just having fun and showing their appreciation.
The more I see of the Utah Jazz  
bceagle05 : 2/28/2021 12:42 pm : link
the more I just want to let Walt Perrin keep making these draft picks. Last year’s draft was terrible and we still came away with Quickley and Toppin - I hope he gets to make at least two of the picks we have this year.
I’m still trying to figure out  
djm : 2/28/2021 12:44 pm : link
Why so many didn’t want Thibs here. Not a told you so post, more just dumbfounded that so many were leery of hiring him. Even in Minny, his first year they won 30 games, second year well over 500 and his last year, when shit was deemed untenable, they were 19-21! The Twolves? 19-21? That’s a glorious season for them. Thibs gets sacked and that run there is looked at as a monumental failure. And yet, they will never approach that kind of run again anytime soon.

He was right in front of us all along. We just didn’t know it. Thibs is a godsend. I only pray MSG / Dolan doesn’t ruin him like they’ve ruined others. The mgmt team here seems to really have a good grip on things.
By we  
djm : 2/28/2021 12:45 pm : link
I mean many not named me. I was trumpeting Thibs for years. (Told you so)
I wasn't a Thibs fan for this team.  
robbieballs2003 : 2/28/2021 12:49 pm : link
I didn't think his rigidness with minutes played would be a good thing. Overall, he has been exactly what we have needed. He's not perfect and those questions still linger but the positives far outweigh the negatives.
21 years ago  
djm : 2/28/2021 12:58 pm : link
Knicks hired Riley. 51-31 record and a gritty and proud but heartbreaking 7 game series loss to the bulls later, they had arrived.

That team was further along than this one. You had vets Ewing, Xman and Oakley. This team has Randle, Noel and Rose. That team had younger players like Starks, Mason and greg Anthony. This team has IQ, RJB, Mitch and Obi. That team has some cap space coming and some picks. They turned that into Charles Smith, Doc Rivers, Rolando Blackmon and Derrick Harper. Much Later they traded mason for LJ. Signed Houston. Traded Oak for Camby.

What will this team and regime do? They have more picks than that 91 team had, but less pre-existing star power. This team also has more cap space.

The pillars of nba team building:

Cap space
Young talent that has proven it belongs
Draft capital
Good front office
Good coaching
** and it’s winning games as constituted**

^^^ we have never been in this spot before. Never have we seen this franchise stand on all 4-5 pillars of foundational building like we see here today.

Good times ahead I believe.

I think people didnt want Thibs  
nygiants16 : 2/28/2021 1:03 pm : link
because they wanted all the young players to play and they thoight the team would be terrible and the Knicks could tank again..
RE: 21 years ago  
robbieballs2003 : 2/28/2021 1:04 pm : link
In comment 15163539 djm said:
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Knicks hired Riley. 51-31 record and a gritty and proud but heartbreaking 7 game series loss to the bulls later, they had arrived.

That team was further along than this one. You had vets Ewing, Xman and Oakley. This team has Randle, Noel and Rose. That team had younger players like Starks, Mason and greg Anthony. This team has IQ, RJB, Mitch and Obi. That team has some cap space coming and some picks. They turned that into Charles Smith, Doc Rivers, Rolando Blackmon and Derrick Harper. Much Later they traded mason for LJ. Signed Houston. Traded Oak for Camby.

What will this team and regime do? They have more picks than that 91 team had, but less pre-existing star power. This team also has more cap space.

The pillars of nba team building:

Cap space
Young talent that has proven it belongs
Draft capital
Good front office
Good coaching
** and it’s winning games as constituted**

^^^ we have never been in this spot before. Never have we seen this franchise stand on all 4-5 pillars of foundational building like we see here today.

Good times ahead I believe.


That was more than 21 years ago. It seems like an eternity. Lol.
I mean we did have a decent shot prior to the stat and Melo moves  
djm : 2/28/2021 1:16 pm : link
But the draft pick coffers weren’t nearly as deep as today nor was the cap space nor was the coaching and front office as poised. Plus I don’t think the young nba talent (gallo) was as deep as this group.

We’re pretty much in uncharted territory here.
RE: RE: 21 years ago  
djm : 2/28/2021 1:18 pm : link
In comment 15163547 robbieballs2003 said:
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In comment 15163539 djm said:


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Knicks hired Riley. 51-31 record and a gritty and proud but heartbreaking 7 game series loss to the bulls later, they had arrived.

That team was further along than this one. You had vets Ewing, Xman and Oakley. This team has Randle, Noel and Rose. That team had younger players like Starks, Mason and greg Anthony. This team has IQ, RJB, Mitch and Obi. That team has some cap space coming and some picks. They turned that into Charles Smith, Doc Rivers, Rolando Blackmon and Derrick Harper. Much Later they traded mason for LJ. Signed Houston. Traded Oak for Camby.

What will this team and regime do? They have more picks than that 91 team had, but less pre-existing star power. This team also has more cap space.

The pillars of nba team building:

Cap space
Young talent that has proven it belongs
Draft capital
Good front office
Good coaching
** and it’s winning games as constituted**

^^^ we have never been in this spot before. Never have we seen this franchise stand on all 4-5 pillars of foundational building like we see here today.

Good times ahead I believe.




That was more than 21 years ago. It seems like an eternity. Lol.


Christ it was 29 years ago. My math and sense of rounding up or down sucks.
RE: I think people didnt want Thibs  
djm : 2/28/2021 1:19 pm : link
In comment 15163545 nygiants16 said:
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because they wanted all the young players to play and they thoight the team would be terrible and the Knicks could tank again..


Yea plus I think Thibs was growing further and further removed from that bulls team he built and forged. People forget how good he was in Chicago.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/28/2021 1:26 pm : link
I wasn't the biggest Thibs fan because of how much he would play some of his guys in a random Tuesday game in February.

I give him a mulligan on his time in Minnesota. He had players (KAT, Wiggins, etc.) who were/are a complete sieve on defense. His time in Chicago was really good. That '11-'12 Bulls team would have given Miami a run for their $ if Rose doesn't tear his ACL in the 1st round.
And if anyone wants to laugh at my told you so  
djm : 2/28/2021 1:33 pm : link
You could just remind me and everyone that I loved the phil jackson signing, perished any thoughts of trading KP and wanted to trade for Westbrook , although maybe WB wouldn’t look so bad here right now, still glad we didn’t.
i actually wonder  
nygiants16 : 2/28/2021 1:36 pm : link
if that team in 16 would of been better if they hired thibs
Such a fun game last night!  
jpkmets : 2/28/2021 1:41 pm : link
Big chance tonight, but no easy task even though Detroit has struggled. 2nd game of b2bs with travel is tough. Hopefully they get in the flow early. Two more games til the ASB (at San Antonio then home for Detroit)l. Win tonight, split that pair and this team is 19-18 at the break. Super fun first half for the Bockers - whose o/u was set at 22.5 this year. Talk about over performing !
RE: Such a fun game last night!  
robbieballs2003 : 2/28/2021 2:16 pm : link
In comment 15163590 jpkmets said:
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Big chance tonight, but no easy task even though Detroit has struggled. 2nd game of b2bs with travel is tough. Hopefully they get in the flow early. Two more games til the ASB (at San Antonio then home for Detroit)l. Win tonight, split that pair and this team is 19-18 at the break. Super fun first half for the Bockers - whose o/u was set at 22.5 this year. Talk about over performing !


I thought we have 3 games left (2 against Detroit) before the ASB?
robbie.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/28/2021 2:19 pm : link
I think he's excluding tonight's game.
Gotcha  
robbieballs2003 : 2/28/2021 2:20 pm : link
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I also think Thibs has lightened up just a bit, similar to Coughlin.  
bceagle05 : 2/28/2021 3:52 pm : link
Rose mentioned a difference in him, Randle was making fun of him a bit on the Redick podcast - perhaps he mellowed a bit after Minny. The Chicago guys always loved him.
RE: I also think Thibs has lightened up just a bit, similar to Coughlin.  
djm : 2/28/2021 4:29 pm : link
In comment 15163659 bceagle05 said:
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Rose mentioned a difference in him, Randle was making fun of him a bit on the Redick podcast - perhaps he mellowed a bit after Minny. The Chicago guys always loved him.


He has smiled a lot this year. Seems more at peace. Randle certainly is. You can see Julius oozing that whole inner peace quality.
According to Bondy  
nygiants16 : 2/28/2021 4:41 pm : link
Thibs is open to a reunion with Towns, Knicks monitoring situation
RE: According to Bondy  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/28/2021 4:50 pm : link
In comment 15163671 nygiants16 said:
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Thibs is open to a reunion with Towns, Knicks monitoring situation


No, no, no.
RE: RE: According to Bondy  
nygiants16 : 2/28/2021 5:00 pm : link
In comment 15163677 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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In comment 15163671 nygiants16 said:


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Thibs is open to a reunion with Towns, Knicks monitoring situation



No, no, no.


agreed!!!
If Thibs signs off on a trade for Towns (depending on who we have to  
Ira : 2/28/2021 5:34 pm : link
give up), I'd be ok with it. Thibs knows him and since coming here, he has motivated his players to play hard and play smart.
NY Post on DSJ's revival  
Del Shofner : 2/28/2021 5:40 pm : link
in Detroit. He's starting for them tonight
lonk - ( New Window )
Keep seeing this on Twitter....  
bceagle05 : 2/28/2021 6:09 pm : link
Knicks were 17-42 at one point last season, and are 17-17 today.
RE: RE: I think people didnt want Thibs  
larryflower37 : 2/28/2021 6:55 pm : link
In comment 15163565 djm said:
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In comment 15163545 nygiants16 said:


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because they wanted all the young players to play and they thoight the team would be terrible and the Knicks could tank again..



Yea plus I think Thibs was growing further and further removed from that bulls team he built and forged. People forget how good he was in Chicago.


I was one of the most vocal against Tibs (I was wrong obviously)
My fear was some of what we see with Elf and Bullock in the starting lineup night after night.
Difference is he has managed minutes better and Randle has basically made Obi irrelevant.
Everything has broke right and Tibs looks like a hero.
Also this team has bought into the defense first attitude.
Oladipo turns down  
nygiants16 : 2/28/2021 7:14 pm : link
2 years 45 million from Houston
RE: Oladipo turns down  
larryflower37 : 2/28/2021 7:17 pm : link
In comment 15163720 nygiants16 said:
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2 years 45 million from Houston


He wants to be in Miami which kills Houston options to get something for him
RE: RE: Oladipo turns down  
BigBlueShock : 2/28/2021 7:19 pm : link
In comment 15163722 larryflower37 said:
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2 years 45 million from Houston



He wants to be in Miami which kills Houston options to get something for him

Good. As long as he’s nowhere near NY
RE: RE: RE: Oladipo turns down  
larryflower37 : 2/28/2021 7:22 pm : link
In comment 15163724 BigBlueShock said:
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In comment 15163720 nygiants16 said:


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2 years 45 million from Houston



He wants to be in Miami which kills Houston options to get something for him


Good. As long as he’s nowhere near NY

Absolutely!!!
I dont get the interest from Miami  
nygiants16 : 2/28/2021 7:52 pm : link
they have plenty of wings, they need a legit center..
with Mitch and Taj out, would you give the backup C minutes  
Del Shofner : 2/28/2021 8:10 pm : link
to Randle, or let Obi give it a try? Obi is listed at 6-9, Randle at 6-8, Randle is obviously buikier but why move him out of the 4 when he's doing so well there. It will be interesting in any event.
Oh shit is this  
Jon in NYC : 2/28/2021 8:11 pm : link
about to be the Dennis Smith Jr. revenge game
Tony Brothers’ crew  
bceagle05 : 2/28/2021 8:12 pm : link
can even fuck up the opening tip.
Obi  
Jon in NYC : 2/28/2021 8:26 pm : link
in for Noel. Interesting.
OK, Randle at the 5  
Del Shofner : 2/28/2021 8:27 pm : link
and Obi at the 4
Just  
Jon in NYC : 2/28/2021 8:27 pm : link
had a really nice defensive play.
RJ Curry.  
bceagle05 : 2/28/2021 8:30 pm : link
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Quickley just stole three points.  
bceagle05 : 2/28/2021 8:35 pm : link
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Bench needs to step up here  
nygiants16 : 2/28/2021 8:37 pm : link
give the starters some good rest
Tibs is going to lose his voice yelling OBI!  
larryflower37 : 2/28/2021 8:39 pm : link
I heard at least 3 OBI in 2 minutes
This is gonna be a grind.  
bceagle05 : 2/28/2021 8:45 pm : link
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RE: Tibs is going to lose his voice yelling OBI!  
Del Shofner : 2/28/2021 8:48 pm : link
In comment 15163768 larryflower37 said:
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I heard at least 3 OBI in 2 minutes


haha - this is what's called player development!
RE: This is gonna be a grind.  
larryflower37 : 2/28/2021 8:49 pm : link
In comment 15163771 bceagle05 said:
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Bench needs to step up... We need this one and get the starters some rest.
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jrapps : 2/28/2021 8:50 pm : link
What can we get for Obi? He’s so lost out there.
No foul?  
nygiants16 : 2/28/2021 8:52 pm : link
haha what?
Clyde talking about  
Del Shofner : 2/28/2021 8:54 pm : link
"West." Giants of the sport.
RJ is feeling it..  
larryflower37 : 2/28/2021 8:56 pm : link
Stepping up
Noel playing some big boy basketball.  
bceagle05 : 2/28/2021 9:00 pm : link
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no and 1 for randle?  
nygiants16 : 2/28/2021 9:03 pm : link
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I was worried we were due for a let down  
mfsd : 2/28/2021 9:24 pm : link
with a few guys out and a tough one last night...but Randle and RJ doing their thing so far
RE: I was worried we were due for a let down  
robbieballs2003 : 2/28/2021 9:27 pm : link
In comment 15163794 mfsd said:
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with a few guys out and a tough one last night...but Randle and RJ doing their thing so far


Yep, they've picked this team up. The offense for most of the first half was pretty pathetic. Good thing Detroit is just that bad.
Randle is a beast.  
bceagle05 : 2/28/2021 9:27 pm : link
Still can’t believe it.
RE: Randle is a beast.  
nygiants16 : 2/28/2021 9:28 pm : link
In comment 15163797 bceagle05 said:
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Still can’t believe it.


Knicks get a redo on building around a melo type of player..

His offensive game is close to melos

or am i being crazy?
Great 3rd  
Jon in NYC : 2/28/2021 9:32 pm : link
quarter. This is what good NBA teams do when they're playing an inferior opponent. Wire to wire leads that just gradually expand.
Randle just put the Pistons away  
larryflower37 : 2/28/2021 9:41 pm : link
If they keep playing at this level he should be in the MVP talk.
He is carry them
RE: Randle just put the Pistons away  
mfsd : 2/28/2021 9:46 pm : link
In comment 15163803 larryflower37 said:
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If they keep playing at this level he should be in the MVP talk.
He is carry them


Yup, earned himself a well deserved breather. Good chance to empty the bench and gives our regulars some extra rest
It's still so odd to me that the Knicks are actually good  
Anakim : 2/28/2021 9:56 pm : link
and not a complete embarrassment
Randle really has become a machine  
Greg from LI : 2/28/2021 9:56 pm : link
He is so consistent, night after night.
RE: RE: Randle is a beast.  
bceagle05 : 2/28/2021 9:57 pm : link
In comment 15163798 nygiants16 said:
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His offensive game is close to melos

or am i being crazy?

I’m not doubting him at this point. Now he’s chirping at the rookie Stewart - love it.
Why is Randle still in thisbgame?  
nygiants16 : 2/28/2021 9:58 pm : link
..
Now Quickley catches fire.  
bceagle05 : 2/28/2021 9:58 pm : link
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IQ  
Jon in NYC : 2/28/2021 9:59 pm : link
taking over. Let the bench ride it out.
RE: Why is Randle still in thisbgame?  
mfsd : 2/28/2021 9:59 pm : link
In comment 15163816 nygiants16 said:
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Yeah time to give Obi and others some extended burn here. Up 24 against a shit team with 6:30 left
RE: Why is Randle still in thisbgame?  
Mike in NY : 2/28/2021 10:00 pm : link
In comment 15163816 nygiants16 said:
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Not sure. I’d throw Knox out there at this point.
That’s Theo Pinson’s music!!  
bceagle05 : 2/28/2021 10:00 pm : link
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I dont trust this stewart character  
nygiants16 : 2/28/2021 10:01 pm : link
he just runs into people
Rose back now?  
nygiants16 : 2/28/2021 10:04 pm : link
your up by 20!!
LOL one turnover and bye bye Quickley.  
bceagle05 : 2/28/2021 10:04 pm : link
He could hit eight threes in a row.
Honestly, I wouldn't do much at the Deadline  
Anakim : 2/28/2021 10:04 pm : link
I don't want to trade Rivers because I think he's a solid combo G and is on an affordable contract.

The only two guys I would look to trade are Kevin Knox and Elfrid Payton. I'd like to pick up another backup 5 (so we don't have to use Randle at the 5) and maybe another swingman.



Kevin Knox for Mo Bamba. Knox back to Florida; Bamba back to NYC. Who says no?
empy the bench  
nygiants16 : 2/28/2021 10:07 pm : link
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I'm ready to go back to paying $16 for greasy waffle fries  
Del Shofner : 2/28/2021 10:07 pm : link
at the Garden
RE: empy the bench  
mfsd : 2/28/2021 10:09 pm : link
In comment 15163829 nygiants16 said:
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Thibs doing a great job this year, but one thing that’s always weird is he’s so stubborn about playing his starters most of the way through
If this continues, Thibs should get some votes for Coach of the Year  
Anakim : 2/28/2021 10:09 pm : link
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RE: Honestly, I wouldn't do much at the Deadline  
larryflower37 : 2/28/2021 10:09 pm : link
In comment 15163827 Anakim said:
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I don't want to trade Rivers because I think he's a solid combo G and is on an affordable contract.

The only two guys I would look to trade are Kevin Knox and Elfrid Payton. I'd like to pick up another backup 5 (so we don't have to use Randle at the 5) and maybe another swingman.



Kevin Knox for Mo Bamba. Knox back to Florida; Bamba back to NYC. Who says no?


Payton and Knox do Bamba.
Randle still out there.  
bceagle05 : 2/28/2021 10:12 pm : link
Gotta love Thibs.
RE: RE: Honestly, I wouldn't do much at the Deadline  
Anakim : 2/28/2021 10:12 pm : link
In comment 15163833 larryflower37 said:
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In comment 15163827 Anakim said:


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I don't want to trade Rivers because I think he's a solid combo G and is on an affordable contract.

The only two guys I would look to trade are Kevin Knox and Elfrid Payton. I'd like to pick up another backup 5 (so we don't have to use Randle at the 5) and maybe another swingman.



Kevin Knox for Mo Bamba. Knox back to Florida; Bamba back to NYC. Who says no?



Payton and Knox do Bamba.


I doubt the Magic will want Elf back
Will RJ be in the Rising Stars game?  
Anakim : 2/28/2021 10:13 pm : link
Fuck the All-Rookie team. Dude is money.
i get Knicks have a week off coming  
nygiants16 : 2/28/2021 10:14 pm : link
but your up 20 with 4 minutes left you can empty the bench
Nerlens Noel has really stepped up in Mitch’s absence.  
bceagle05 : 2/28/2021 10:15 pm : link
Thought that injury would be bigger trouble for us.
Another solid night at the office  
mfsd : 2/28/2021 10:15 pm : link
Well done
RE: Will RJ be in the Rising Stars game?  
nygiants16 : 2/28/2021 10:15 pm : link
In comment 15163837 Anakim said:
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Fuck the All-Rookie team. Dude is money.


there is no rising stars game, just naming rosters
RE: RE: Will RJ be in the Rising Stars game?  
Anakim : 2/28/2021 10:16 pm : link
In comment 15163842 nygiants16 said:
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Fuck the All-Rookie team. Dude is money.



there is no rising stars game, just naming rosters


Ah, bummer. What about the Skills competition? Or will it just be the Dunk competition?
RE: Nerlens Noel has really stepped up in Mitch’s absence.  
Anakim : 2/28/2021 10:17 pm : link
In comment 15163840 bceagle05 said:
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Thought that injury would be bigger trouble for us.


Yeah, they're quite similar. Rim-protecting bigs, excellent blocker, great athleticism, can't shoot on the perimeter, have awful hands..
One game over .500 heading into March.  
bceagle05 : 2/28/2021 10:17 pm : link
Prett-aay, prett-aayy, prett-aaayyy good.
RE: RE: RE: Will RJ be in the Rising Stars game?  
nygiants16 : 2/28/2021 10:20 pm : link
In comment 15163844 Anakim said:
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Fuck the All-Rookie team. Dude is money.



there is no rising stars game, just naming rosters



Ah, bummer. What about the Skills competition? Or will it just be the Dunk competition?


skills and 3 point before game, dunk contest at halftime
RE: RE: RE: RE: Will RJ be in the Rising Stars game?  
Anakim : 2/28/2021 10:23 pm : link
In comment 15163848 nygiants16 said:
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Fuck the All-Rookie team. Dude is money.



there is no rising stars game, just naming rosters



Ah, bummer. What about the Skills competition? Or will it just be the Dunk competition?



skills and 3 point before game, dunk contest at halftime


RJ should be in the 3P competition :D
.  
Anakim : 2/28/2021 10:25 pm : link
NBA Central
@TheNBACentral

The Knicks are 18-0 this season when RJ Barrett has a positive plus/minus.



Good RJ is really, really good. Bad RJ is really, really bad.
Would’ve been nice to have a normal All-Star Weekend  
bceagle05 : 2/28/2021 10:26 pm : link
with RJ/Quickley in the Rising Stars Game, Obi in the dunk contest and Julius in the main event. Have our young core spread the word about all this great culture bullshit.
can you really start Payton?  
nygiants16 : 2/28/2021 10:28 pm : link
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RE: Would’ve been nice to have a normal All-Star Weekend  
nygiants16 : 2/28/2021 10:29 pm : link
In comment 15163854 bceagle05 said:
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with RJ/Quickley in the Rising Stars Game, Obi in the dunk contest and Julius in the main event. Have our young core spread the word about all this great culture bullshit.


Randle needs to do some recruiting at the all star game
Thibs' postgames  
Del Shofner : 2/28/2021 10:36 pm : link
are like hostage videos
RE: .  
TommyWiseau : 2/28/2021 10:43 pm : link
In comment 15163853 Anakim said:
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NBA Central
@TheNBACentral

The Knicks are 18-0 this season when RJ Barrett has a positive plus/minus.



Good RJ is really, really good. Bad RJ is really, really bad.


Just need some consistancy from him which I believe will come
Hang it up!  
guitarguybs12 : 2/28/2021 11:06 pm : link
Love to see RJ back in the good graces of BBI  
adamg : 3/1/2021 4:18 am : link
Remember all, he's 20! He's going to be significantly better than he is today in a few years. Trust the process.
RE: If this continues, Thibs should get some votes for Coach of the Year  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 3/1/2021 6:28 am : link
In comment 15163832 Anakim said:
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He will, for sure.
Good Morning Knicks fans!  
Heisenberg : 3/1/2021 8:09 am : link
Coffee tasting sweet today. Love the way this team plays.
Thibs def deserves some coach of the year love...  
Italianju : 3/1/2021 8:23 am : link
he would def be behind Snyder but only other coach id consider above him is Monty williams, but PHX was supposed to be pretty good, maybe not 22-11 good, but solid. We are closing in on our expected season win total, lol.
Whats crazy  
nygiants16 : 3/1/2021 8:30 am : link
we all were saying how this may be the worst team in the NBA, now we are hesitant to give up anyone in the rotation to upgrade the roster..

Crazy
RJ shot...  
Italianju : 3/1/2021 8:46 am : link
47% from 3 in February. Since Jan 1 he is shooting 40% from 3. It just opens so much for him and the team if he can just be an average shooter from 3
RE: RE: Randle is a beast.  
Dr. D : 3/1/2021 8:51 am : link
In comment 15163798 nygiants16 said:
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Knicks get a redo on building around a melo type of player..

His offensive game is close to melos

or am i being crazy?

I admit I didn't watch the Knicks much during the Melo years (I don't like watching shitty bball), but from the little I did watch, I think Randle is playing more efficient team ball than Melo ever did.

Without looking at stats, my eyes say right now Randle is shooting at a significantly higher FG% and that's while taking more 3s. Melo took a lot more shots to get his pts. Randle's also keeping his teammates involved and is prolly averaging nearly twice as many assists as Melo ever did.

I'm enjoying watching Randle and these Knicks much more than I ever enjoyed Melo and those Knicks.
RJ is the third star...  
Jan in DC : 3/1/2021 8:51 am : link
We just need someone to pair with him and Randle.

I also wouldn't be averse to keeping Noel around if we can get him on a player friendly deal. I prefer Mitch, but Noel has played really well this year.
RE: Hang it up!  
Del Shofner : 3/1/2021 9:11 am : link
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haha
Noel is the perfect example  
ryanmkeane : 3/1/2021 9:21 am : link
of a guy who needs the exact right situation to succeed. He's not that good of a player but with good coaching and the right role for him, he can be impactful
RE: RJ is the third star...  
larryflower37 : 3/1/2021 9:24 am : link
In comment 15163943 Jan in DC said:
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We just need someone to pair with him and Randle.

I also wouldn't be averse to keeping Noel around if we can get him on a player friendly deal. I prefer Mitch, but Noel has played really well this year.


He has only played 91 games and is 20 years old, I wouldn't limit how good he can be.
Not much out there in FA next season so need to use the draft capital wisely.
Package both picks to move up into the top 10.
...  
ryanmkeane : 3/1/2021 9:30 am : link
if they end up getting 2 picks in the top 22 or so, I'd keep them. As this last draft showed, there's really not much difference between the 9th pick and 17th pick. I'd rather take the odds on 1 of the 2 players picked becoming really good, than risk both picks (and possibly more) to take a guy in the 8-12 range.

Keep adding talent, don't give away assets right now. The team is super young and getting better and better.
RE: Whats crazy  
Enzo : 3/1/2021 9:35 am : link
In comment 15163926 nygiants16 said:
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we all were saying how this may be the worst team in the NBA, now we are hesitant to give up anyone in the rotation to upgrade the roster..

eh, Reggie and Elf are 3rd and 4th on the team in terms of playing time and I don't think anyone is going to cry if/when they're gone.
RE: RE: Whats crazy  
nygiants16 : 3/1/2021 9:38 am : link
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we all were saying how this may be the worst team in the NBA, now we are hesitant to give up anyone in the rotation to upgrade the roster..


eh, Reggie and Elf are 3rd and 4th on the team in terms of playing time and I don't think anyone is going to cry if/when they're gone.


thats true
FWIW  
nygiants16 : 3/1/2021 9:39 am : link
i have a friend who used to work for the celtics, says the Oladipo rumors will heat up, Knicks have talked to the Rockets recently..

Against most here  
Carl in CT : 3/1/2021 9:40 am : link
Get Towns at the 5 and I think we could contend in the East.
RE: FWIW  
Mike in NJ : 3/1/2021 9:48 am : link
In comment 15163994 nygiants16 said:
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i have a friend who used to work for the celtics, says the Oladipo rumors will heat up, Knicks have talked to the Rockets recently..


Oladipo is such a bad fit for this roster. They need guys that can stretch the floor to open it up more for Randle/Barrett, not a guy shooting 32% from three and looking like a shell of his former self. Big pass!
On the merit of his play  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/1/2021 9:51 am : link
why trade for Oladipo?

It's becoming clear he's not who he used to be.
RE: On the merit of his play  
nygiants16 : 3/1/2021 9:54 am : link
In comment 15164009 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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why trade for Oladipo?

It's becoming clear he's not who he used to be.


The thinking is basically get him here see what he looks like for rest of the seaaon and how he fits..

Plays well you resign him, if not pet him go..
There's  
Jon in NYC : 3/1/2021 9:55 am : link
no question Oladipo as a rental helps the team this year. Similar to Rose the question becomes cost and long term fit.

He's taking almost 8 3s per game as a Rocket. Basically the same number as James Harden this year. Once the shot selection improves his percentages will go back to their career averages.
RE: RE: On the merit of his play  
Enzo : 3/1/2021 10:03 am : link
In comment 15164012 nygiants16 said:
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why trade for Oladipo?

It's becoming clear he's not who he used to be.



The thinking is basically get him here see what he looks like for rest of the seaaon and how he fits..

Plays well you resign him, if not pet him go..

I'd rather we "see what he looks like" from afar without having to give up anything for him. If you can't swing a deal for a better player at shooting guard, just stay patient and plug with vets like this year, or maybe you get lucky in the draft.
You would think  
nygiants16 : 3/1/2021 10:08 am : link
playing next to Randle and Rj, Oladipo wouldnt need to take as many shots and would get a lot of better looks..

elsewhere in basketball....  
Greg from LI : 3/1/2021 10:12 am : link
Mamadi Diakite should get a crack at the NBA - he's killing it in the G League. As good as he was for UVA, his offensive game has really developed way beyond what he had in college.
Link - ( New Window )
RE: FWIW  
larryflower37 : 3/1/2021 10:20 am : link
In comment 15163994 nygiants16 said:
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i have a friend who used to work for the celtics, says the Oladipo rumors will heat up, Knicks have talked to the Rockets recently..


I don't want him as a FA definitely don't want to trade for him.
Rockets' backs are against the wall he is not coming back, he is looking for big money in FAs and he wants to pick his spot.

RE: You would think  
Mike in NJ : 3/1/2021 10:22 am : link
In comment 15164026 nygiants16 said:
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playing next to Randle and Rj, Oladipo wouldnt need to take as many shots and would get a lot of better looks..


I wouldn't be so sure of that though. He was playing alongside Brogdon and Sabonis in Indiana who are both having all-star caliber seasons, and he was taking just as many shots and 3s with the Pacers. Granted, small sample size for this year, but he was also taking same shots when he came back the end of last year too.
Towns rumors are odd  
djm : 3/1/2021 10:24 am : link
but Towns has to know WTF he'd be getting himself into if he came to the Knicks with Thibs. MAybe there was more to the Twolves disaster than just a divide between Thibs and Towns and even Butler. Who knows. Towns is certainly a talent but he just seems empty to me. Then again, we saw what Thibs did with Randle. Turned his empty stats into an all star winner.
This trade deadline is a big test for Leon Rose  
larryflower37 : 3/1/2021 10:26 am : link
I was not a fan of the OBI pick at the time and that really hasn't changed. They hit an HR with Quickley, free agents, and the Rose trade.
Do they have the patience to stand pat and not force a deal?
Knicks still have a trade exception and a ton of cap space could be the third team in deals to take on salary.
RE: You would think  
Heisenberg : 3/1/2021 10:31 am : link
In comment 15164026 nygiants16 said:
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playing next to Randle and Rj, Oladipo wouldnt need to take as many shots and would get a lot of better looks..


To me, if you can get him cheap, he only needs to be better than Bullock to make sense. The Knicks could definitely use another scoring option for nights when RJ isn't on. And they could definitely use someone who can get his shot off the dribble late in the shot clock. Randle is the only one who offers that now. That's not something RJ can do yet.

Randle has played consistently well all year. RJ has been up and down. Quickley too. When they play well, the Knicks win. Oladipo would offer another scoring option on nights when they don't have it. Considering we could take him into cap room, maybe Bullock or Rivers plus a second gets it done. It's just a half year rental, after all.

If he's got anything left, he'll be engergized to ride a playoff race into free agency. And if he regains form, maybe we offer him a deal, who knows?
RE: RE: You would think  
nygiants16 : 3/1/2021 10:41 am : link
In comment 15164034 Mike in NJ said:
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playing next to Randle and Rj, Oladipo wouldnt need to take as many shots and would get a lot of better looks..




I wouldn't be so sure of that though. He was playing alongside Brogdon and Sabonis in Indiana who are both having all-star caliber seasons, and he was taking just as many shots and 3s with the Pacers. Granted, small sample size for this year, but he was also taking same shots when he came back the end of last year too.


Like you said much smaller sample size but he was shooting much better in Indiana, 37% from 3, amd 47% on 2s...Averaging 20 a game..

Also Indiana has struggled since he was traded..

Very small sample but he showed he could still be the same player
RE: Towns rumors are odd  
larryflower37 : 3/1/2021 10:50 am : link
In comment 15164035 djm said:
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but Towns has to know WTF he'd be getting himself into if he came to the Knicks with Thibs. MAybe there was more to the Twolves disaster than just a divide between Thibs and Towns and even Butler. Who knows. Towns is certainly a talent but he just seems empty to me. Then again, we saw what Thibs did with Randle. Turned his empty stats into an all-star winner.


I would take Towns over Oladipo.

He spreads the floor and would open up space for RJ and Randle.
Towns shoots the 3 at 39% career, is signed for 3 more years, and is only 25.
It would give the Knicks a young big 3 with room to add Free agents.
Would have to move Mitch in the deal and I wonder what it would take to get him here?
I am expecting Minny would want a ton but I don't hate them going after Towns.

RE: RE: Towns rumors are odd  
nygiants16 : 3/1/2021 10:56 am : link
In comment 15164060 larryflower37 said:
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but Towns has to know WTF he'd be getting himself into if he came to the Knicks with Thibs. MAybe there was more to the Twolves disaster than just a divide between Thibs and Towns and even Butler. Who knows. Towns is certainly a talent but he just seems empty to me. Then again, we saw what Thibs did with Randle. Turned his empty stats into an all-star winner.



I would take Towns over Oladipo.

He spreads the floor and would open up space for RJ and Randle.
Towns shoots the 3 at 39% career, is signed for 3 more years, and is only 25.
It would give the Knicks a young big 3 with room to add Free agents.
Would have to move Mitch in the deal and I wonder what it would take to get him here?
I am expecting Minny would want a ton but I don't hate them going after Towns.


you are not getting towns without including tj and mitch
RE: elsewhere in basketball....  
NYG22 : 3/1/2021 11:07 am : link
In comment 15164030 Greg from LI said:
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Mamadi Diakite should get a crack at the NBA - he's killing it in the G League. As good as he was for UVA, his offensive game has really developed way beyond what he had in college. Link - ( New Window )


Great find. Impressive!
^^^^^  
Del Shofner : 3/1/2021 11:13 am : link
Diakite's on a two-way contract with the Bucks, though, no?
RE: ^^^^^  
Greg from LI : 3/1/2021 11:18 am : link
In comment 15164086 Del Shofner said:
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Diakite's on a two-way contract with the Bucks, though, no?


He is. Much as I'd love to see him on the Knicks, that was just a general comment that he's showing he deserves a shot.
Towns is going to cost a ton...  
Italianju : 3/1/2021 11:22 am : link
and i dont see him and Randle a good fit at all. We need another wing who can shoot. Guys like Lavine or Beal or someone in that mold.

Oladipo if we got him for pennies on the dollar id take a shot. Sometimes we greatly exaggerated a players issues. I mean how many were up in arms that we basically got Rose for nothing because he was a bad fit, well he is pretty key for us now. Oladipo def makes us better. Do i want to give up real assets, no. Do i want to pay him max money, no, but id see what he does for the next couple months.
if the Rockets  
Enzo : 3/1/2021 11:31 am : link
can't get much for Oladipo at the deadline, they may just hold onto him and try and execute a sign-and-trade with a capped out contender this summer.
Towns and Oladipo are not an either or choice.  
Heisenberg : 3/1/2021 11:34 am : link
Towns would cost a shit ton of assets. Oladipo won't. Oladipo is almost certainly available. It's not clear Towns is at all, however. He probably isn't. I do like the idea of Towns in this structure. Thibs and Kenny Payne would get him straight, unless he's not really in love with the work.

If the Knicks could get Towns, they certainly would. I don't think it would mean they couldn't also try to get Oladipo for much, much less.
RE: if the Rockets  
nygiants16 : 3/1/2021 11:36 am : link
In comment 15164102 Enzo said:
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can't get much for Oladipo at the deadline, they may just hold onto him and try and execute a sign-and-trade with a capped out contender this summer.


Problem is the 2 teams interested in him have cap space this summer to sign him
still dont get what HOU...  
Italianju : 3/1/2021 11:37 am : link
was doing flipping Lavert for him. What a horrible decision.
Oladipo shot 35.6% from 3 in IND  
adamg : 3/1/2021 2:34 pm : link
not 37%. And his career is 34.7%.

Selectively picking his one best season is misleading.
He's a very average shooter  
adamg : 3/1/2021 2:37 pm : link
His value is defense. At least be clear about that.
RE: Oladipo shot 35.6% from 3 in IND  
nygiants16 : 3/1/2021 2:39 pm : link
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not 37%. And his career is 34.7%.

Selectively picking his one best season is misleading.


I was talking about the 9 games he played with Indiana this season after his injury, thats why i said extremly small sample size..

and he shot 36% from 3 in 4 seasons with indiana..

He hasnt played well in Houston
Oladipo to NY seems inevitable to me.  
bceagle05 : 3/1/2021 2:48 pm : link
Rockets are one of the few sellers in the league, Knicks have cap space to absorb the contract and save Houston some money, we could use an upgrade over Bullock in the starting lineup, and Scott Perry will use whatever power he has left to talk Leon Rose into it. It really wouldn't be that bad a gamble.
RE: Oladipo to NY seems inevitable to me.  
larryflower37 : 3/1/2021 2:57 pm : link
In comment 15164324 bceagle05 said:
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Rockets are one of the few sellers in the league, Knicks have cap space to absorb the contract and save Houston some money, we could use an upgrade over Bullock in the starting lineup, and Scott Perry will use whatever power he has left to talk Leon Rose into it. It really wouldn't be that bad a gamble.

At what cost?
Also he just turned down a 2 year deal for 45 million.
If it's just for this season I would not want to give up draft capital or anything more than maybe Knox.
RE: RE: Oladipo to NY seems inevitable to me.  
nygiants16 : 3/1/2021 2:59 pm : link
In comment 15164330 larryflower37 said:
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Rockets are one of the few sellers in the league, Knicks have cap space to absorb the contract and save Houston some money, we could use an upgrade over Bullock in the starting lineup, and Scott Perry will use whatever power he has left to talk Leon Rose into it. It really wouldn't be that bad a gamble.


At what cost?
Also he just turned down a 2 year deal for 45 million.
If it's just for this season I would not want to give up draft capital or anything more than maybe Knox.


you wouldnt do say frank knox bullock and a 2nd?

It is not going to take a crazy deal to get him..

the deal Houston offered was the max they could offer him
Western Conference playoff picture is clearing up already.  
bceagle05 : 3/1/2021 3:09 pm : link
Mavs and Grizzlies are in the 9th and 10th slots with .500 records, and it's a drop off to New Orleans at five games under, and down from there to the bottom feeders.
RE: Western Conference playoff picture is clearing up already.  
nygiants16 : 3/1/2021 3:15 pm : link
In comment 15164339 bceagle05 said:
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Mavs and Grizzlies are in the 9th and 10th slots with .500 records, and it's a drop off to New Orleans at five games under, and down from there to the bottom feeders.


i still dont understand why stan van gundy gets so much love
Knicks jump to 10th in power rankings  
larryflower37 : 3/1/2021 3:18 pm : link
Not a fan of power rankings but it's crazy to think the Knicks are getting that level of respect.
Bleacher report power rankings - ( New Window )
I just don't know what Oladipo does in his current state that helps  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/1/2021 3:21 pm : link
this team.

They need more consistent 3pt shooting, and they could use a point guard.

Dipo's neither one. You can debate that his shooting would be better with more improved shot selection and/or lower attempts, but what the Knicks actually need is a go-to shooter who may have to take a lot of attempts.
Dipo  
TyreeHelmet : 3/1/2021 3:21 pm : link
Count me in the camp of passing on Oladipo. I just don't see it. I mean if its a true salary dump for a 2nd round pick and cap filler than sure I guess. But I would have no interest in the Knicks signing him long term.

Looking at the upcoming free agent class and its pretty weak.

Unrestricted- Kawhi, CP3 ( if he opts out), Conley, Oladipo, Derozan, Mills, Lowry and Drummond.

Restricted - Duncan Robinson, Trent Jr., John Collins, Deovante Graham, Markannen, Jarret Allen, Lonzo Ball, Josh Hart.

Unless they very very unlikely happens and Kawhi wants out, I would prefer the Knicks pursue some of the restricted free agents and see if they can nab one. I really don't think Oladipo is the right move.
Quickley coming up at 5:05  
bceagle05 : 3/1/2021 4:55 pm : link
on the Michael Kay Show.
Nothing earth shattering from Quickley...  
bceagle05 : 3/1/2021 5:22 pm : link
Says Thibs is the best coach he could've had as a rookie - challenges him and holds him accountable, but treats everyone equally in that regard.

Thrilled Kenny Payne is here - he'll be at the gym with him whenever he wants, particularly during rough patches.

Team chemistry is great - everyone knows the Knicks have struggled and the current players want to be part of the culture shift.

Can't believe the loud "DE-FENSE" chants are only coming from 2,000 people these past couple of games.

Not much beyond that - LaGreca and Rosenberg know nothing about basketball so it's always a tough spot. Knicks have made Randle and Quickley available to The Michael Kay Show this year, and both guys are great interviews.

Do you think there is any chance CP3 would opt out?  
GMEN46 : 3/1/2021 5:38 pm : link
I guess if rose basicall said we will give you 2 years at $70 million that may be worth an opt out. Not saying Knicks should do that, but I guess if he can get like $70 million over 2 years he would consider it
RE: Do you think there is any chance CP3 would opt out?  
adamg : 3/1/2021 6:44 pm : link
In comment 15164431 GMEN46 said:
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I guess if rose basicall said we will give you 2 years at $70 million that may be worth an opt out. Not saying Knicks should do that, but I guess if he can get like $70 million over 2 years he would consider it


He's getting 44 mill next year on his option. You think 70 over 2 gets him?
for anyone who wants to scout tomorrow night's opponent - San Antonio  
Del Shofner : 3/1/2021 6:53 pm : link
- they're hosting the Nets tonight and it's on YES at 8:30.
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 3/1/2021 7:26 pm : link
I know the media narrative is for LBJ to win the MVP, but Jokic & Embiid are having just as good seasons, if not better. Watching 76ers Pacers now...Embiid is a monster.
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 3/1/2021 8:08 pm : link
Zinger having himself a game. 1 for 9 for 2 points, 0 for 6 from beyond the arc.
RE: ...  
Jon in NYC : 3/1/2021 8:15 pm : link
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Zinger having himself a game. 1 for 9 for 2 points, 0 for 6 from beyond the arc.


I hope he never hits another shot
RE: ...  
Stu11 : 3/1/2021 8:19 pm : link
In comment 15164481 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Zinger having himself a game. 1 for 9 for 2 points, 0 for 6 from beyond the arc.

Hey give him a participation trophy though he actually suited up tonight!
Spurs and Nets tied at 81 after three - entertaining game -  
Del Shofner : 3/1/2021 10:09 pm : link
two good teams, we'll have our hands full tomorrow night. Hopefully they go to double overtime tonight!
well, got the OT but only one, and  
Del Shofner : 3/1/2021 10:58 pm : link
Spurs lost so they'll be out for it tomorrow night. LGK!
Yea, I don't see how Oladipo does anything for this team...  
Jan in DC : 3/1/2021 11:55 pm : link
save your assets, get him in free agency if you feel the need. But honestly, his strengths as a player is defense and we have a very good defensive squad at the moment. Trading for him now would reek of making a move just to make a move.

RE: Yea, I don't see how Oladipo does anything for this team...  
TommyWiseau : 3/2/2021 1:54 am : link
In comment 15164528 Jan in DC said:
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save your assets, get him in free agency if you feel the need. But honestly, his strengths as a player is defense and we have a very good defensive squad at the moment. Trading for him now would reek of making a move just to make a move.


100%, he is not what we need. We need a shooter to space the floor.
Knicks are going to make a move  
nygiants16 : 3/2/2021 8:00 am : link
or 2 or maybe 3, Rose and Thibs are not jjst going to sitback and ride it out..
RE: Knicks are going to make a move  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/2/2021 8:23 am : link
In comment 15164551 nygiants16 said:
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or 2 or maybe 3, Rose and Thibs are not jjst going to sitback and ride it out..


The second-half schedule is a real bear. I don't think they'll get fooled into thinking they should make a big move, but I could sure see them making a small add.
RE: RE: Knicks are going to make a move  
nygiants16 : 3/2/2021 8:27 am : link
In comment 15164556 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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or 2 or maybe 3, Rose and Thibs are not jjst going to sitback and ride it out..



The second-half schedule is a real bear. I don't think they'll get fooled into thinking they should make a big move, but I could sure see them making a small add.


I dont think the big move is out there unless something surprising happens..
RE: Knicks are going to make a move  
larryflower37 : 3/2/2021 8:33 am : link
In comment 15164551 nygiants16 said:
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or 2 or maybe 3, Rose and Thibs are not jjst going to sitback and ride it out..


I don't see the move being there and if they are it will be small moves.
This is a surprising year but should not have them fooled into thinking they are a big move away.
I really don't understand the position that Oladipo doesn't fit  
Heisenberg : 3/2/2021 8:34 am : link
or provide spacing. The only reasonable concerns IMO are the cost in terms of assets for a 6 month rental or his health. Both of those are reasons to pass. But from a basketball only perspective, obviously a healthy Oladipo improves the team.

The good news is that it seems unlikely that this Knicks regime will overpay for VO. Previous regimes would absolutely have already pulled the trigger and overpaid. I feel pretty good that if VO ends up a Knick, the cost will be something we can live with.
RE: Knicks are going to make a move  
Semipro Lineman : 3/2/2021 8:38 am : link
In comment 15164551 nygiants16 said:
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or 2 or maybe 3, Rose and Thibs are not jjst going to sitback and ride it out..


Why not, is there any move available that can make this team a serious contender? Then why use your trading pieces on moves that will only improve your short-term playoff chances?
Is there a bigger douche on tv  
nygiants16 : 3/2/2021 8:38 am : link
than Nick Wright? They were laughing at Knicks fans yesterday for being happy with the Knicks..
RE: Is there a bigger douche on tv  
adamg : 3/2/2021 9:01 am : link
In comment 15164574 nygiants16 said:
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than Nick Wright? They were laughing at Knicks fans yesterday for being happy with the Knicks..


He's such a phony.
RE: I really don't understand the position that Oladipo doesn't fit  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/2/2021 9:15 am : link
In comment 15164568 Heisenberg said:
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or provide spacing.


He's not a good shooter. That's one's easy. It's hard to provide spacing if you're shooting 32% from 3 and that's not even wildly out of character for his career.

Reggie Bullock is shooting 38%, for reference.
based on reports it looks like  
Enzo : 3/2/2021 9:52 am : link
Oladipo is looking to chase the money. I think he's a little bit better than some folks here are giving him credit for, but I don't want to go 4 years at big money for a guy with durability concerns. Especially given the way Thibs leans on his starters and eschews rest days.

If Oladipo can't find the dollars he's looking for this summer, maybe we can get him on a one year deal. Wouldn't be the worst thing.
i agree Oladipo is not a great fit...  
Italianju : 3/2/2021 9:53 am : link
and i wouldnt pay him big money and i wouldnt give up more then knox and a protected pick for him, but he does make us better. He is a better basketball player then bullock by a significant amount whether he shoots 32% from 3 or not. Ill take the rest of him over the 1 more 3 out of ever 10 that Bullock might hit.

Again not saying i want him, but the idea that because he doesnt shoot 40% he doesnt improve us doesnt make sense. Everyone said the same thing about Rose and i think he has improved the team.
RE: RE: I really don't understand the position that Oladipo doesn't fit  
Jon in NYC : 3/2/2021 9:54 am : link
In comment 15164609 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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or provide spacing.



He's not a good shooter. That's one's easy. It's hard to provide spacing if you're shooting 32% from 3 and that's not even wildly out of character for his career.

Reggie Bullock is shooting 38%, for reference.


The difference is Bullock only shoots wide open corner 3s.

Oladipo is letting it fly off the dribble.

I'm not saying he's a good shooter, but I'd trust him to make a 3 over Bullock.
RE: i agree Oladipo is not a great fit...  
nygiants16 : 3/2/2021 9:56 am : link
In comment 15164637 Italianju said:
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and i wouldnt pay him big money and i wouldnt give up more then knox and a protected pick for him, but he does make us better. He is a better basketball player then bullock by a significant amount whether he shoots 32% from 3 or not. Ill take the rest of him over the 1 more 3 out of ever 10 that Bullock might hit.

Again not saying i want him, but the idea that because he doesnt shoot 40% he doesnt improve us doesnt make sense. Everyone said the same thing about Rose and i think he has improved the team.


Yup, look what adding Rose did to the starting unit
RE: RE: RE: I really don't understand the position that Oladipo doesn't fit  
BigBlueShock : 3/2/2021 9:58 am : link
In comment 15164639 Jon in NYC said:
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or provide spacing.



He's not a good shooter. That's one's easy. It's hard to provide spacing if you're shooting 32% from 3 and that's not even wildly out of character for his career.

Reggie Bullock is shooting 38%, for reference.



The difference is Bullock only shoots wide open corner 3s.

Oladipo is letting it fly off the dribble.

I'm not saying he's a good shooter, but I'd trust him to make a 3 over Bullock.

I mean, yeah I agree with this, but trusting him more than Reggie Bullock is still not a ringing endorsement or a reason to pay him the contract he’s going to want.
I do  
Jon in NYC : 3/2/2021 9:59 am : link
think adding Oladipo at any long term commitment really hurts the Knicks in the long term.

The next big long term salary they should add should be a legit all star with very few warts who fits in their timeline. Someone 25-27. Lavine, Booker, Beal make the most sense.
RE: RE: RE: I really don't understand the position that Oladipo doesn't fit  
Heisenberg : 3/2/2021 10:01 am : link
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or provide spacing.



He's not a good shooter. That's one's easy. It's hard to provide spacing if you're shooting 32% from 3 and that's not even wildly out of character for his career.

Reggie Bullock is shooting 38%, for reference.



The difference is Bullock only shoots wide open corner 3s.

Oladipo is letting it fly off the dribble.

I'm not saying he's a good shooter, but I'd trust him to make a 3 over Bullock.



Yeah, this is the thing. They're roughly equivalent catch and shoot guys this year. (bullock 40% and VO 38%) But Oladipo offers a lot more offensively than Bullock. And a competitive team needs another guy who can take a big shot at the end of the game. Oladipo offers that.
I realize the powers that be  
Enzo : 3/2/2021 10:02 am : link
likely feel differently, but I still think that if there's any kind of market for guys like Reggie, Elf, and Rivers, I'd be looking to sell on them. Or at the very least they should be looking to use their remaining cap space to take on a deal in exchange for a pick.
RE: I do  
Enzo : 3/2/2021 10:03 am : link
In comment 15164644 Jon in NYC said:
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think adding Oladipo at any long term commitment really hurts the Knicks in the long term.

The next big long term salary they should add should be a legit all star with very few warts who fits in their timeline. Someone 25-27. Lavine, Booker, Beal make the most sense.

bingo. They have to remain patient and look to pounce when a better/younger guy is available. Then you can overpay a bit if necessary.
RE: I realize the powers that be  
nygiants16 : 3/2/2021 10:15 am : link
In comment 15164647 Enzo said:
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likely feel differently, but I still think that if there's any kind of market for guys like Reggie, Elf, and Rivers, I'd be looking to sell on them. Or at the very least they should be looking to use their remaining cap space to take on a deal in exchange for a pick.


I think if anything those are the 3 guys they would sell
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Jan in DC : 3/2/2021 10:17 am : link
In comment 15164649 Enzo said:
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think adding Oladipo at any long term commitment really hurts the Knicks in the long term.

The next big long term salary they should add should be a legit all star with very few warts who fits in their timeline. Someone 25-27. Lavine, Booker, Beal make the most sense.


bingo. They have to remain patient and look to pounce when a better/younger guy is available. Then you can overpay a bit if necessary.


I agree with all of that. Basically this year is a blessing. We're way better than we have any right to be and have shown potential free agents that we're a good destination.

If we can trade a vet or someone who doesn't have future with the team for a pick or assets, that's the type of thing you do so you have more capital to maybe pursue one of these players during the offseason or draft night.

I actually think LaVine would be really good with this team right now.
RE: RE: RE: I really don't understand the position that Oladipo doesn't fit  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/2/2021 10:18 am : link
In comment 15164639 Jon in NYC said:
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or provide spacing.



He's not a good shooter. That's one's easy. It's hard to provide spacing if you're shooting 32% from 3 and that's not even wildly out of character for his career.

Reggie Bullock is shooting 38%, for reference.



The difference is Bullock only shoots wide open corner 3s.

Oladipo is letting it fly off the dribble.


Is he though? I'm looking at his advanced shooting and maybe I'm interpreting the chart wrong, but it looks like 67% of his attempted 3s are off assists.



RE: RE: I realize the powers that be  
Enzo : 3/2/2021 10:24 am : link
In comment 15164655 nygiants16 said:
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likely feel differently, but I still think that if there's any kind of market for guys like Reggie, Elf, and Rivers, I'd be looking to sell on them. Or at the very least they should be looking to use their remaining cap space to take on a deal in exchange for a pick.



I think if anything those are the 3 guys they would sell

maybe you bring back Reggie on the cheap next season if Thibs really likes him. But he should be a rotation piece...not one of your starters logging heavy minutes.
I'd love to pry Lonzo from NO  
adamg : 3/2/2021 10:27 am : link
What would that take?

I'd trade one of our ones and Knox. Is that enough?
VO vs Bullock Stats  
Heisenberg : 3/2/2021 10:28 am : link
Oladipo Shot Tracking [URL]https://www.nba.com/stats/player/203506/shots-dash/[/url]

Bullock Shot Tracking https://www.nba.com/stats/player/203493/shots-dash/

These stats track shots off dribbles, and shots at different times in the clock, etc.

I think if you look at these you can see that even this year, VO can do what RB is being asked to do by Thibs. He can fill that catch and shoot role. He can do as much for spacing as Bullock does.

But he's been asked to do a lot more including shots late in the clock off the dribble, etc. that Bullock hasn't been asked to do. This, combined with being traded to an absolute shit team mid season, can definitely mess with efficiency.

I think he's a good fit for the Knicks. I'll also be totally fine if the Knicks feel he's too costly to bring in.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I really don't understand the position that Oladipo doesn't fit  
giants#1 : 3/2/2021 10:29 am : link
In comment 15164660 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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The difference is Bullock only shoots wide open corner 3s.

Oladipo is letting it fly off the dribble.




Is he though? I'm looking at his advanced shooting and maybe I'm interpreting the chart wrong, but it looks like 67% of his attempted 3s are off assists.




NBA.com has catch-and-shoot % with VO listed at 38% on 3s.

I think you can dribble a few times and then attempt a pull-up and still have it count as "assisted".
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RE: RE: RE: RE: I really don't understand the position that Oladipo doesn't fit  
Jon in NYC : 3/2/2021 10:29 am : link
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or provide spacing.



He's not a good shooter. That's one's easy. It's hard to provide spacing if you're shooting 32% from 3 and that's not even wildly out of character for his career.

Reggie Bullock is shooting 38%, for reference.



The difference is Bullock only shoots wide open corner 3s.

Oladipo is letting it fly off the dribble.




Is he though? I'm looking at his advanced shooting and maybe I'm interpreting the chart wrong, but it looks like 67% of his attempted 3s are off assists.




Good find. It's possible I'm off, although even if 67% of his attempts are off assists, that's 2.5 attempts per game that are coming off the dribble. Bullock attempts 4.6, I'd venture to guess a very small percentage of those are off the dribble.
RE: I'd love to pry Lonzo from NO  
Enzo : 3/2/2021 10:31 am : link
In comment 15164671 adamg said:
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What would that take?

I'd trade one of our ones and Knox. Is that enough?

he's a restricted free agent this summer so the Pelicans still have some control over the situation. There's no reason for them to sell low on him.
No Taj, Payton doubtful  
nygiants16 : 3/2/2021 10:43 am : link
Really wonder what Thibs does when Payton is healthy to play..
Ok, i'm out on Oladipo  
Heisenberg : 3/2/2021 11:06 am : link
this doesn't look good for someone with his history of injuries
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i think everyone is on the same page that...  
Italianju : 3/2/2021 11:11 am : link
they dont want to give up much for Oladipo and nobody wants to sign him to big money.

Also that injury was in the first half and he returned to start the second so i think he was fine. Of course you would want to see that he is fine, but i think he is fine.
RE: Ok, i'm out on Oladipo  
nygiants16 : 3/2/2021 11:12 am : link
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this doesn't look good for someone with his history of injuries Link - ( New Window )


he played 40 minutes last night
I will say, just because we're good at defense doesn't mean  
adamg : 3/2/2021 11:15 am : link
VO wouldn't add to it.

That said, he's not what we need.
Windhorst on his pod  
nygiants16 : 3/2/2021 11:27 am : link
said he predicts a star will force his way to NY in the next 12 months, he said he has talked to numerous front office people and they all say the same thing...He wouldnt go ibto who but said front office people have their predicitions..

Said Wes and Rose are well connected and have the fire powrr to get someone to new york
Knicks have a G League guy that ESPN+ thinks might deserve a callup  
Heisenberg : 3/2/2021 11:31 am : link
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Louis King, 6-8, small forward, Oregon (Westchester Knicks), 21.8 years old

Surprisingly undrafted in 2019 after a one-and-done season capped by a strong postseason run at Oregon, King found himself out of the NBA entirely at age 21, which was likely a wake-up call for the former McDonald's All-American. NBA scouts say that was more due to off-floor concerns than his evaluation as a NBA caliber player, concerns King has had to work hard to alleviate.

He would be a junior in college had he not left Oregon early, and surely would be projected as a first-round draft pick with what he's shown in the G League so far.


Louis King's skill set and size could be coveted by an NBA team. Photo by Juan Ocampo/NBAE via Getty Images
King has proven to be one of the best shooters in the G League thus far, making 50% of his 3-pointers while intriguing evaluators by handling the ball in pick-and-roll, shooting off the dribble and making plays for others. At 6-8 with a 7-foot wingspan and impressive fluidity, there just aren't that many wing players in his mold in the G League who can dribble, pass and shoot, which makes King an easy target for a league starved for players in that mold.

While he needs to get stronger, King also has some untapped potential defensively that could be developed as well. He's long and rangy and has shown the ability to defend players of several different types, using his length to bother smaller players and using his size to put a body on big men. His Westchester Knicks utilize smaller lineups with very liberal switching, which has offered King plenty of opportunity to show his versatility. If the intel on King checks out, expect him to get a call-up to the NBA fairly soon.

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hopefully its a legit star  
giants#1 : 3/2/2021 11:32 am : link
not an aging star on his last legs or an injury waiting to happen.
RE: Windhorst on his pod  
Enzo : 3/2/2021 11:33 am : link
In comment 15164742 nygiants16 said:
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said he predicts a star will force his way to NY in the next 12 months, he said he has talked to numerous front office people and they all say the same thing...He wouldnt go ibto who but said front office people have their predicitions..

Said Wes and Rose are well connected and have the fire powrr to get someone to new york

we've heard this crap before. I'll believe it when I see it.
regarding the G League  
Enzo : 3/2/2021 11:38 am : link
it would be great if we could move Rivers and open up a roster spot. As for our other end of bench guys, I don't know much about Pinson but he's not all that young...and Harper is pretty small.
RE: RE: Windhorst on his pod  
nygiants16 : 3/2/2021 11:42 am : link
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said he predicts a star will force his way to NY in the next 12 months, he said he has talked to numerous front office people and they all say the same thing...He wouldnt go ibto who but said front office people have their predicitions..

Said Wes and Rose are well connected and have the fire powrr to get someone to new york


we've heard this crap before. I'll believe it when I see it.


I think its a little different now that they are not a dumpster fire
It's so nice to be able to talk about basketball  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/2/2021 11:48 am : link
and not how big a dumpster fire the Knicks are.
Louis  
Jon in NYC : 3/2/2021 11:51 am : link
King certainly sounds interesting.

Hitting 50% of your 3s on 4 attempts gets you a spot on a roster even if you bring nothing else to the table.
King has serious length  
Greg from LI : 3/2/2021 11:53 am : link
I know he was a pain in the ass to play against in college. Good 3 and D development project.
What's steve novak doing these days.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/2/2021 11:53 am : link
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Calling Bucks games on TV  
Greg from LI : 3/2/2021 12:06 pm : link
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RE: RE: RE: Windhorst on his pod  
larryflower37 : 3/2/2021 12:37 pm : link
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said he predicts a star will force his way to NY in the next 12 months, he said he has talked to numerous front office people and they all say the same thing...He wouldnt go ibto who but said front office people have their predicitions..

Said Wes and Rose are well connected and have the fire powrr to get someone to new york


we've heard this crap before. I'll believe it when I see it.



I think its a little different now that they are not a dumpster fire

His point was the culture has change and Rose,WWW,and winning have made the Knicks relevant.
He also said Randle is the chip to bring the "superstar".

My guess would be Mitchell.
mitchell doesnt help us.....  
Italianju : 3/2/2021 3:11 pm : link
he isnt a lethal 3 pt shooter.....

kidding aside, mitchell just signed a huge extension, cant imagine he forces his way off the team with the best record in the league not even a year after signing a huge extension.
I'm  
Jon in NYC : 3/2/2021 3:16 pm : link
not trading Randle to get a superstar. He's at the point where his passing and shooting ability allow him to play second or third banana to a superstar. It would be two steps forward one backward, depending on the player.

He's also the leader of the team. He's a building block and tbh we should probably extend him sooner rather than later.
RE: Windhorst on his pod  
djm : 3/2/2021 3:18 pm : link
In comment 15164742 nygiants16 said:
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said he predicts a star will force his way to NY in the next 12 months, he said he has talked to numerous front office people and they all say the same thing...He wouldnt go ibto who but said front office people have their predicitions..

Said Wes and Rose are well connected and have the fire powrr to get someone to new york


That's my feeling as well. Of course I don't know fuck all and don't write for the NBA, but i'd bet on a star forcing his way to MSG before this time next year. PRobably sooner.

Exciting time.
RE: I'm  
djm : 3/2/2021 3:22 pm : link
In comment 15165030 Jon in NYC said:
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not trading Randle to get a superstar. He's at the point where his passing and shooting ability allow him to play second or third banana to a superstar. It would be two steps forward one backward, depending on the player.

He's also the leader of the team. He's a building block and tbh we should probably extend him sooner rather than later.


I assume by chip, he meant Randle is a guy that will draw a star here to MSG.

No way am I trading Randle. Not for anything less than what any other team would deem, "too much." No team would trade what I want for Randle and I ain't trading him for anything less. Fuck off NBA. We discovered Randle. He's ours.

Randle is making it look easy. This run of his is sustainable. To me it even looks more sustainable than Melo's play back in 2013.

Add to Randle. We could be so nasty with another big time player and some added backcourt and frontcourt depth.
I actually met Louis King a couple of years ago before the Draft  
Anakim : 3/2/2021 3:25 pm : link
I didn't know him from Adam and my friend (some of you may know him) had to identify him.


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I've seen a quote where Kobe called Julius Randle  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/2/2021 3:31 pm : link
"Lamar Odom in Zach Randolph's body"

Odom was a great player to be 2 or a 3 in a big 3.
My hope would be Dame.  
Mike from SI : 3/2/2021 3:43 pm : link
I say that with literally 0 knowledge of rumors. It just makes sense and would make me happy.
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