Really fun game last night. Other than RJ's two bricked crunch time free throws, he had a great 4th quarter. 4 3s overall last night on 6 attempts. He's at 34% from distance which is steadily getting him out of non shooter territory. In fact, since Jan 1 he's shooting 39% from 3 which is decidedly a threat from distance.
Frank with another big time defensive play to seal the win. The story stays the same, if he can find a way to contribute on offense he'll get minutes. He's definitely jumped Rivers in the rotation, and if Elfrid gets traded at the deadline looks like he'll find regular time.
I someone still don't think is being made enough about Julius Randle's turnaround. The Knicks took a PF 8th overall this season because I would assume -- like literally everybody else without the last name Randle -- that they thought Julius would be gone after the year. He was a ball hog, a poor defender, an average shooter, an iffy leader. Fast forward one offseason and literally every night he is leading them in a number of categories and showing something new. Last night he held Sabonis to 15 points including a prayer banked 3 with 30 seconds left (Noel helped at the end due to foul woes) and had 4 steals. One of the most remarkable year over year turnarounds I've ever seen to be honest, and I don't think that's hyperbole. I'm actually curious if anyone can bring up some similar situations in the past, even across sports.
And then that leads into the Knicks as a team. 4th overall in the east. Still only .500, but coming into the year the question was "which top 5 guy makes the most sense in this loaded draft". Now they're on pace to pick around 20th. This is another situation I just don't remember there being another clear parallel for. Expected complete bottom dweller in the NBA turns into potential home court advantage team in the playoffs. It's a really fun group to watch too. The bench is active and gets hyped, they seem to love playing with each other. It's a really fun team to watch. I have friends from out of state texting me stuff about the Knicks for the first time in forever. Really did not see this as in the realm of possibilities this year, but wow what a pleasant surprise.
Going to be a sneaky tough game against the Pistons. Have to travel to Detroit, Taj is probably unlikely to play, and Noel just played 41 minutes. I really think they should consider bringing up Skal Labissiere from Westchester, who at least has played NBA minutes before and waiving Harper. I bet Obi gets more burn as well. Should be a fun one against a beatable team but with some challenges.
Randle, Noel and Toppin cna be the 3 rotating bigs and maybe knox gets a few minutes..
Frank and Quickley are going to be big tonight becajse Rose may be a little gassed from playing 38 minutes last night..
Tonight the bench needs to come in and dominate, they should have fresh legs..
Oh and Randle is turning into not only an all star but star player for this team.
The fans were annoying chanting MVP for Randle, Rose, and Barrett. They get a pass though because they are still in preseason form. Lol
Isn't Knox a permanent bench warmer and trade bait at this point?
It’s long been exaggerated, the IQ of the fans. But an MVP chant isnt really indicative of that. That’s just fans showing appreciation.
not to mention everytime they do it thebplayer misses a free throw
That's when I remember them but they were only for guys who turned our team around. They weren't used for multiple players especially during the same game. I know the fans were just having fun and showing their appreciation.
He was right in front of us all along. We just didn’t know it. Thibs is a godsend. I only pray MSG / Dolan doesn’t ruin him like they’ve ruined others. The mgmt team here seems to really have a good grip on things.
That team was further along than this one. You had vets Ewing, Xman and Oakley. This team has Randle, Noel and Rose. That team had younger players like Starks, Mason and greg Anthony. This team has IQ, RJB, Mitch and Obi. That team has some cap space coming and some picks. They turned that into Charles Smith, Doc Rivers, Rolando Blackmon and Derrick Harper. Much Later they traded mason for LJ. Signed Houston. Traded Oak for Camby.
What will this team and regime do? They have more picks than that 91 team had, but less pre-existing star power. This team also has more cap space.
The pillars of nba team building:
Cap space
Young talent that has proven it belongs
Draft capital
Good front office
Good coaching
** and it’s winning games as constituted**
^^^ we have never been in this spot before. Never have we seen this franchise stand on all 4-5 pillars of foundational building like we see here today.
Good times ahead I believe.
That team was further along than this one. You had vets Ewing, Xman and Oakley. This team has Randle, Noel and Rose. That team had younger players like Starks, Mason and greg Anthony. This team has IQ, RJB, Mitch and Obi. That team has some cap space coming and some picks. They turned that into Charles Smith, Doc Rivers, Rolando Blackmon and Derrick Harper. Much Later they traded mason for LJ. Signed Houston. Traded Oak for Camby.
What will this team and regime do? They have more picks than that 91 team had, but less pre-existing star power. This team also has more cap space.
The pillars of nba team building:
Cap space
Young talent that has proven it belongs
Draft capital
Good front office
Good coaching
** and it’s winning games as constituted**
^^^ we have never been in this spot before. Never have we seen this franchise stand on all 4-5 pillars of foundational building like we see here today.
Good times ahead I believe.
That was more than 21 years ago. It seems like an eternity. Lol.
We’re pretty much in uncharted territory here.
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Knicks hired Riley. 51-31 record and a gritty and proud but heartbreaking 7 game series loss to the bulls later, they had arrived.
That team was further along than this one. You had vets Ewing, Xman and Oakley. This team has Randle, Noel and Rose. That team had younger players like Starks, Mason and greg Anthony. This team has IQ, RJB, Mitch and Obi. That team has some cap space coming and some picks. They turned that into Charles Smith, Doc Rivers, Rolando Blackmon and Derrick Harper. Much Later they traded mason for LJ. Signed Houston. Traded Oak for Camby.
What will this team and regime do? They have more picks than that 91 team had, but less pre-existing star power. This team also has more cap space.
The pillars of nba team building:
Cap space
Young talent that has proven it belongs
Draft capital
Good front office
Good coaching
** and it’s winning games as constituted**
^^^ we have never been in this spot before. Never have we seen this franchise stand on all 4-5 pillars of foundational building like we see here today.
Good times ahead I believe.
That was more than 21 years ago. It seems like an eternity. Lol.
Christ it was 29 years ago. My math and sense of rounding up or down sucks.
Yea plus I think Thibs was growing further and further removed from that bulls team he built and forged. People forget how good he was in Chicago.
I give him a mulligan on his time in Minnesota. He had players (KAT, Wiggins, etc.) who were/are a complete sieve on defense. His time in Chicago was really good. That '11-'12 Bulls team would have given Miami a run for their $ if Rose doesn't tear his ACL in the 1st round.
I thought we have 3 games left (2 against Detroit) before the ASB?
He has smiled a lot this year. Seems more at peace. Randle certainly is. You can see Julius oozing that whole inner peace quality.
No, no, no.
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No, no, no.
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because they wanted all the young players to play and they thoight the team would be terrible and the Knicks could tank again..
Yea plus I think Thibs was growing further and further removed from that bulls team he built and forged. People forget how good he was in Chicago.
I was one of the most vocal against Tibs (I was wrong obviously)
My fear was some of what we see with Elf and Bullock in the starting lineup night after night.
Difference is he has managed minutes better and Randle has basically made Obi irrelevant.
Everything has broke right and Tibs looks like a hero.
Also this team has bought into the defense first attitude.
He wants to be in Miami which kills Houston options to get something for him
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2 years 45 million from Houston
He wants to be in Miami which kills Houston options to get something for him
Good. As long as he’s nowhere near NY
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2 years 45 million from Houston
He wants to be in Miami which kills Houston options to get something for him
Good. As long as he’s nowhere near NY
Absolutely!!!
haha - this is what's called player development!
Bench needs to step up... We need this one and get the starters some rest.
Yep, they've picked this team up. The offense for most of the first half was pretty pathetic. Good thing Detroit is just that bad.
Knicks get a redo on building around a melo type of player..
His offensive game is close to melos
or am i being crazy?
He is carry them
He is carry them
Yup, earned himself a well deserved breather. Good chance to empty the bench and gives our regulars some extra rest
or am i being crazy?
I’m not doubting him at this point. Now he’s chirping at the rookie Stewart - love it.
Yeah time to give Obi and others some extended burn here. Up 24 against a shit team with 6:30 left
Not sure. I’d throw Knox out there at this point.
The only two guys I would look to trade are Kevin Knox and Elfrid Payton. I'd like to pick up another backup 5 (so we don't have to use Randle at the 5) and maybe another swingman.
Kevin Knox for Mo Bamba. Knox back to Florida; Bamba back to NYC. Who says no?
Thibs doing a great job this year, but one thing that’s always weird is he’s so stubborn about playing his starters most of the way through
The only two guys I would look to trade are Kevin Knox and Elfrid Payton. I'd like to pick up another backup 5 (so we don't have to use Randle at the 5) and maybe another swingman.
Kevin Knox for Mo Bamba. Knox back to Florida; Bamba back to NYC. Who says no?
Payton and Knox do Bamba.
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I don't want to trade Rivers because I think he's a solid combo G and is on an affordable contract.
The only two guys I would look to trade are Kevin Knox and Elfrid Payton. I'd like to pick up another backup 5 (so we don't have to use Randle at the 5) and maybe another swingman.
Kevin Knox for Mo Bamba. Knox back to Florida; Bamba back to NYC. Who says no?
Payton and Knox do Bamba.
I doubt the Magic will want Elf back
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Fuck the All-Rookie team. Dude is money.
there is no rising stars game, just naming rosters
Ah, bummer. What about the Skills competition? Or will it just be the Dunk competition?
Yeah, they're quite similar. Rim-protecting bigs, excellent blocker, great athleticism, can't shoot on the perimeter, have awful hands..
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Fuck the All-Rookie team. Dude is money.
there is no rising stars game, just naming rosters
Ah, bummer. What about the Skills competition? Or will it just be the Dunk competition?
skills and 3 point before game, dunk contest at halftime
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Fuck the All-Rookie team. Dude is money.
there is no rising stars game, just naming rosters
Ah, bummer. What about the Skills competition? Or will it just be the Dunk competition?
skills and 3 point before game, dunk contest at halftime
RJ should be in the 3P competition :D
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The Knicks are 18-0 this season when RJ Barrett has a positive plus/minus.
Good RJ is really, really good. Bad RJ is really, really bad.
Randle needs to do some recruiting at the all star game
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The Knicks are 18-0 this season when RJ Barrett has a positive plus/minus.
Good RJ is really, really good. Bad RJ is really, really bad.
Just need some consistancy from him which I believe will come
He will, for sure.
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Knicks get a redo on building around a melo type of player..
His offensive game is close to melos
or am i being crazy?
I admit I didn't watch the Knicks much during the Melo years (I don't like watching shitty bball), but from the little I did watch, I think Randle is playing more efficient team ball than Melo ever did.
Without looking at stats, my eyes say right now Randle is shooting at a significantly higher FG% and that's while taking more 3s. Melo took a lot more shots to get his pts. Randle's also keeping his teammates involved and is prolly averaging nearly twice as many assists as Melo ever did.
I'm enjoying watching Randle and these Knicks much more than I ever enjoyed Melo and those Knicks.
I also wouldn't be averse to keeping Noel around if we can get him on a player friendly deal. I prefer Mitch, but Noel has played really well this year.
haha
I also wouldn't be averse to keeping Noel around if we can get him on a player friendly deal. I prefer Mitch, but Noel has played really well this year.
He has only played 91 games and is 20 years old, I wouldn't limit how good he can be.
Not much out there in FA next season so need to use the draft capital wisely.
Package both picks to move up into the top 10.
Keep adding talent, don't give away assets right now. The team is super young and getting better and better.
eh, Reggie and Elf are 3rd and 4th on the team in terms of playing time and I don't think anyone is going to cry if/when they're gone.
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we all were saying how this may be the worst team in the NBA, now we are hesitant to give up anyone in the rotation to upgrade the roster..
eh, Reggie and Elf are 3rd and 4th on the team in terms of playing time and I don't think anyone is going to cry if/when they're gone.
thats true
Oladipo is such a bad fit for this roster. They need guys that can stretch the floor to open it up more for Randle/Barrett, not a guy shooting 32% from three and looking like a shell of his former self. Big pass!
It's becoming clear he's not who he used to be.
It's becoming clear he's not who he used to be.
The thinking is basically get him here see what he looks like for rest of the seaaon and how he fits..
Plays well you resign him, if not pet him go..
He's taking almost 8 3s per game as a Rocket. Basically the same number as James Harden this year. Once the shot selection improves his percentages will go back to their career averages.
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why trade for Oladipo?
It's becoming clear he's not who he used to be.
The thinking is basically get him here see what he looks like for rest of the seaaon and how he fits..
Plays well you resign him, if not pet him go..
I'd rather we "see what he looks like" from afar without having to give up anything for him. If you can't swing a deal for a better player at shooting guard, just stay patient and plug with vets like this year, or maybe you get lucky in the draft.
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I don't want him as a FA definitely don't want to trade for him.
Rockets' backs are against the wall he is not coming back, he is looking for big money in FAs and he wants to pick his spot.
I wouldn't be so sure of that though. He was playing alongside Brogdon and Sabonis in Indiana who are both having all-star caliber seasons, and he was taking just as many shots and 3s with the Pacers. Granted, small sample size for this year, but he was also taking same shots when he came back the end of last year too.
Do they have the patience to stand pat and not force a deal?
Knicks still have a trade exception and a ton of cap space could be the third team in deals to take on salary.
To me, if you can get him cheap, he only needs to be better than Bullock to make sense. The Knicks could definitely use another scoring option for nights when RJ isn't on. And they could definitely use someone who can get his shot off the dribble late in the shot clock. Randle is the only one who offers that now. That's not something RJ can do yet.
Randle has played consistently well all year. RJ has been up and down. Quickley too. When they play well, the Knicks win. Oladipo would offer another scoring option on nights when they don't have it. Considering we could take him into cap room, maybe Bullock or Rivers plus a second gets it done. It's just a half year rental, after all.
If he's got anything left, he'll be engergized to ride a playoff race into free agency. And if he regains form, maybe we offer him a deal, who knows?
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playing next to Randle and Rj, Oladipo wouldnt need to take as many shots and would get a lot of better looks..
I wouldn't be so sure of that though. He was playing alongside Brogdon and Sabonis in Indiana who are both having all-star caliber seasons, and he was taking just as many shots and 3s with the Pacers. Granted, small sample size for this year, but he was also taking same shots when he came back the end of last year too.
Like you said much smaller sample size but he was shooting much better in Indiana, 37% from 3, amd 47% on 2s...Averaging 20 a game..
Also Indiana has struggled since he was traded..
Very small sample but he showed he could still be the same player
I would take Towns over Oladipo.
He spreads the floor and would open up space for RJ and Randle.
Towns shoots the 3 at 39% career, is signed for 3 more years, and is only 25.
It would give the Knicks a young big 3 with room to add Free agents.
Would have to move Mitch in the deal and I wonder what it would take to get him here?
I am expecting Minny would want a ton but I don't hate them going after Towns.
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but Towns has to know WTF he'd be getting himself into if he came to the Knicks with Thibs. MAybe there was more to the Twolves disaster than just a divide between Thibs and Towns and even Butler. Who knows. Towns is certainly a talent but he just seems empty to me. Then again, we saw what Thibs did with Randle. Turned his empty stats into an all-star winner.
I would take Towns over Oladipo.
He spreads the floor and would open up space for RJ and Randle.
Towns shoots the 3 at 39% career, is signed for 3 more years, and is only 25.
It would give the Knicks a young big 3 with room to add Free agents.
Would have to move Mitch in the deal and I wonder what it would take to get him here?
I am expecting Minny would want a ton but I don't hate them going after Towns.
you are not getting towns without including tj and mitch
Great find. Impressive!
He is. Much as I'd love to see him on the Knicks, that was just a general comment that he's showing he deserves a shot.
Oladipo if we got him for pennies on the dollar id take a shot. Sometimes we greatly exaggerated a players issues. I mean how many were up in arms that we basically got Rose for nothing because he was a bad fit, well he is pretty key for us now. Oladipo def makes us better. Do i want to give up real assets, no. Do i want to pay him max money, no, but id see what he does for the next couple months.
If the Knicks could get Towns, they certainly would. I don't think it would mean they couldn't also try to get Oladipo for much, much less.
Problem is the 2 teams interested in him have cap space this summer to sign him
Selectively picking his one best season is misleading.
Selectively picking his one best season is misleading.
I was talking about the 9 games he played with Indiana this season after his injury, thats why i said extremly small sample size..
and he shot 36% from 3 in 4 seasons with indiana..
He hasnt played well in Houston
At what cost?
Also he just turned down a 2 year deal for 45 million.
If it's just for this season I would not want to give up draft capital or anything more than maybe Knox.
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Rockets are one of the few sellers in the league, Knicks have cap space to absorb the contract and save Houston some money, we could use an upgrade over Bullock in the starting lineup, and Scott Perry will use whatever power he has left to talk Leon Rose into it. It really wouldn't be that bad a gamble.
At what cost?
Also he just turned down a 2 year deal for 45 million.
If it's just for this season I would not want to give up draft capital or anything more than maybe Knox.
you wouldnt do say frank knox bullock and a 2nd?
It is not going to take a crazy deal to get him..
the deal Houston offered was the max they could offer him
i still dont understand why stan van gundy gets so much love
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They need more consistent 3pt shooting, and they could use a point guard.
Dipo's neither one. You can debate that his shooting would be better with more improved shot selection and/or lower attempts, but what the Knicks actually need is a go-to shooter who may have to take a lot of attempts.
Looking at the upcoming free agent class and its pretty weak.
Unrestricted- Kawhi, CP3 ( if he opts out), Conley, Oladipo, Derozan, Mills, Lowry and Drummond.
Restricted - Duncan Robinson, Trent Jr., John Collins, Deovante Graham, Markannen, Jarret Allen, Lonzo Ball, Josh Hart.
Unless they very very unlikely happens and Kawhi wants out, I would prefer the Knicks pursue some of the restricted free agents and see if they can nab one. I really don't think Oladipo is the right move.
Thrilled Kenny Payne is here - he'll be at the gym with him whenever he wants, particularly during rough patches.
Team chemistry is great - everyone knows the Knicks have struggled and the current players want to be part of the culture shift.
Can't believe the loud "DE-FENSE" chants are only coming from 2,000 people these past couple of games.
Not much beyond that - LaGreca and Rosenberg know nothing about basketball so it's always a tough spot. Knicks have made Randle and Quickley available to The Michael Kay Show this year, and both guys are great interviews.
He's getting 44 mill next year on his option. You think 70 over 2 gets him?
I hope he never hits another shot
Hey give him a participation trophy though he actually suited up tonight!
100%, he is not what we need. We need a shooter to space the floor.
The second-half schedule is a real bear. I don't think they'll get fooled into thinking they should make a big move, but I could sure see them making a small add.
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The second-half schedule is a real bear. I don't think they'll get fooled into thinking they should make a big move, but I could sure see them making a small add.
I dont think the big move is out there unless something surprising happens..
I don't see the move being there and if they are it will be small moves.
This is a surprising year but should not have them fooled into thinking they are a big move away.
The good news is that it seems unlikely that this Knicks regime will overpay for VO. Previous regimes would absolutely have already pulled the trigger and overpaid. I feel pretty good that if VO ends up a Knick, the cost will be something we can live with.
Why not, is there any move available that can make this team a serious contender? Then why use your trading pieces on moves that will only improve your short-term playoff chances?
He's such a phony.
He's not a good shooter. That's one's easy. It's hard to provide spacing if you're shooting 32% from 3 and that's not even wildly out of character for his career.
Reggie Bullock is shooting 38%, for reference.
If Oladipo can't find the dollars he's looking for this summer, maybe we can get him on a one year deal. Wouldn't be the worst thing.
Again not saying i want him, but the idea that because he doesnt shoot 40% he doesnt improve us doesnt make sense. Everyone said the same thing about Rose and i think he has improved the team.
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or provide spacing.
He's not a good shooter. That's one's easy. It's hard to provide spacing if you're shooting 32% from 3 and that's not even wildly out of character for his career.
Reggie Bullock is shooting 38%, for reference.
The difference is Bullock only shoots wide open corner 3s.
Oladipo is letting it fly off the dribble.
I'm not saying he's a good shooter, but I'd trust him to make a 3 over Bullock.
Again not saying i want him, but the idea that because he doesnt shoot 40% he doesnt improve us doesnt make sense. Everyone said the same thing about Rose and i think he has improved the team.
Yup, look what adding Rose did to the starting unit
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or provide spacing.
He's not a good shooter. That's one's easy. It's hard to provide spacing if you're shooting 32% from 3 and that's not even wildly out of character for his career.
Reggie Bullock is shooting 38%, for reference.
The difference is Bullock only shoots wide open corner 3s.
Oladipo is letting it fly off the dribble.
I'm not saying he's a good shooter, but I'd trust him to make a 3 over Bullock.
I mean, yeah I agree with this, but trusting him more than Reggie Bullock is still not a ringing endorsement or a reason to pay him the contract he’s going to want.
The next big long term salary they should add should be a legit all star with very few warts who fits in their timeline. Someone 25-27. Lavine, Booker, Beal make the most sense.
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or provide spacing.
He's not a good shooter. That's one's easy. It's hard to provide spacing if you're shooting 32% from 3 and that's not even wildly out of character for his career.
Reggie Bullock is shooting 38%, for reference.
The difference is Bullock only shoots wide open corner 3s.
Oladipo is letting it fly off the dribble.
I'm not saying he's a good shooter, but I'd trust him to make a 3 over Bullock.
Yeah, this is the thing. They're roughly equivalent catch and shoot guys this year. (bullock 40% and VO 38%) But Oladipo offers a lot more offensively than Bullock. And a competitive team needs another guy who can take a big shot at the end of the game. Oladipo offers that.
The next big long term salary they should add should be a legit all star with very few warts who fits in their timeline. Someone 25-27. Lavine, Booker, Beal make the most sense.
bingo. They have to remain patient and look to pounce when a better/younger guy is available. Then you can overpay a bit if necessary.
I think if anything those are the 3 guys they would sell
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think adding Oladipo at any long term commitment really hurts the Knicks in the long term.
The next big long term salary they should add should be a legit all star with very few warts who fits in their timeline. Someone 25-27. Lavine, Booker, Beal make the most sense.
bingo. They have to remain patient and look to pounce when a better/younger guy is available. Then you can overpay a bit if necessary.
I agree with all of that. Basically this year is a blessing. We're way better than we have any right to be and have shown potential free agents that we're a good destination.
If we can trade a vet or someone who doesn't have future with the team for a pick or assets, that's the type of thing you do so you have more capital to maybe pursue one of these players during the offseason or draft night.
I actually think LaVine would be really good with this team right now.
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or provide spacing.
He's not a good shooter. That's one's easy. It's hard to provide spacing if you're shooting 32% from 3 and that's not even wildly out of character for his career.
Reggie Bullock is shooting 38%, for reference.
The difference is Bullock only shoots wide open corner 3s.
Oladipo is letting it fly off the dribble.
Is he though? I'm looking at his advanced shooting and maybe I'm interpreting the chart wrong, but it looks like 67% of his attempted 3s are off assists.
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likely feel differently, but I still think that if there's any kind of market for guys like Reggie, Elf, and Rivers, I'd be looking to sell on them. Or at the very least they should be looking to use their remaining cap space to take on a deal in exchange for a pick.
I think if anything those are the 3 guys they would sell
maybe you bring back Reggie on the cheap next season if Thibs really likes him. But he should be a rotation piece...not one of your starters logging heavy minutes.
I'd trade one of our ones and Knox. Is that enough?
Bullock Shot Tracking https://www.nba.com/stats/player/203493/shots-dash/
These stats track shots off dribbles, and shots at different times in the clock, etc.
I think if you look at these you can see that even this year, VO can do what RB is being asked to do by Thibs. He can fill that catch and shoot role. He can do as much for spacing as Bullock does.
But he's been asked to do a lot more including shots late in the clock off the dribble, etc. that Bullock hasn't been asked to do. This, combined with being traded to an absolute shit team mid season, can definitely mess with efficiency.
I think he's a good fit for the Knicks. I'll also be totally fine if the Knicks feel he's too costly to bring in.
The difference is Bullock only shoots wide open corner 3s.
Oladipo is letting it fly off the dribble.
Is he though? I'm looking at his advanced shooting and maybe I'm interpreting the chart wrong, but it looks like 67% of his attempted 3s are off assists.
NBA.com has catch-and-shoot % with VO listed at 38% on 3s.
I think you can dribble a few times and then attempt a pull-up and still have it count as "assisted".
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or provide spacing.
He's not a good shooter. That's one's easy. It's hard to provide spacing if you're shooting 32% from 3 and that's not even wildly out of character for his career.
Reggie Bullock is shooting 38%, for reference.
The difference is Bullock only shoots wide open corner 3s.
Oladipo is letting it fly off the dribble.
Is he though? I'm looking at his advanced shooting and maybe I'm interpreting the chart wrong, but it looks like 67% of his attempted 3s are off assists.
Good find. It's possible I'm off, although even if 67% of his attempts are off assists, that's 2.5 attempts per game that are coming off the dribble. Bullock attempts 4.6, I'd venture to guess a very small percentage of those are off the dribble.
I'd trade one of our ones and Knox. Is that enough?
he's a restricted free agent this summer so the Pelicans still have some control over the situation. There's no reason for them to sell low on him.
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Also that injury was in the first half and he returned to start the second so i think he was fine. Of course you would want to see that he is fine, but i think he is fine.
he played 40 minutes last night
That said, he's not what we need.
Said Wes and Rose are well connected and have the fire powrr to get someone to new york
Surprisingly undrafted in 2019 after a one-and-done season capped by a strong postseason run at Oregon, King found himself out of the NBA entirely at age 21, which was likely a wake-up call for the former McDonald's All-American. NBA scouts say that was more due to off-floor concerns than his evaluation as a NBA caliber player, concerns King has had to work hard to alleviate.
He would be a junior in college had he not left Oregon early, and surely would be projected as a first-round draft pick with what he's shown in the G League so far.
Louis King's skill set and size could be coveted by an NBA team. Photo by Juan Ocampo/NBAE via Getty Images
King has proven to be one of the best shooters in the G League thus far, making 50% of his 3-pointers while intriguing evaluators by handling the ball in pick-and-roll, shooting off the dribble and making plays for others. At 6-8 with a 7-foot wingspan and impressive fluidity, there just aren't that many wing players in his mold in the G League who can dribble, pass and shoot, which makes King an easy target for a league starved for players in that mold.
While he needs to get stronger, King also has some untapped potential defensively that could be developed as well. He's long and rangy and has shown the ability to defend players of several different types, using his length to bother smaller players and using his size to put a body on big men. His Westchester Knicks utilize smaller lineups with very liberal switching, which has offered King plenty of opportunity to show his versatility. If the intel on King checks out, expect him to get a call-up to the NBA fairly soon.
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Said Wes and Rose are well connected and have the fire powrr to get someone to new york
we've heard this crap before. I'll believe it when I see it.
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said he predicts a star will force his way to NY in the next 12 months, he said he has talked to numerous front office people and they all say the same thing...He wouldnt go ibto who but said front office people have their predicitions..
Said Wes and Rose are well connected and have the fire powrr to get someone to new york
we've heard this crap before. I'll believe it when I see it.
I think its a little different now that they are not a dumpster fire
Hitting 50% of your 3s on 4 attempts gets you a spot on a roster even if you bring nothing else to the table.
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In comment 15164742 nygiants16 said:
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said he predicts a star will force his way to NY in the next 12 months, he said he has talked to numerous front office people and they all say the same thing...He wouldnt go ibto who but said front office people have their predicitions..
Said Wes and Rose are well connected and have the fire powrr to get someone to new york
we've heard this crap before. I'll believe it when I see it.
I think its a little different now that they are not a dumpster fire
His point was the culture has change and Rose,WWW,and winning have made the Knicks relevant.
He also said Randle is the chip to bring the "superstar".
My guess would be Mitchell.
kidding aside, mitchell just signed a huge extension, cant imagine he forces his way off the team with the best record in the league not even a year after signing a huge extension.
He's also the leader of the team. He's a building block and tbh we should probably extend him sooner rather than later.
Said Wes and Rose are well connected and have the fire powrr to get someone to new york
That's my feeling as well. Of course I don't know fuck all and don't write for the NBA, but i'd bet on a star forcing his way to MSG before this time next year. PRobably sooner.
Exciting time.
He's also the leader of the team. He's a building block and tbh we should probably extend him sooner rather than later.
I assume by chip, he meant Randle is a guy that will draw a star here to MSG.
No way am I trading Randle. Not for anything less than what any other team would deem, "too much." No team would trade what I want for Randle and I ain't trading him for anything less. Fuck off NBA. We discovered Randle. He's ours.
Randle is making it look easy. This run of his is sustainable. To me it even looks more sustainable than Melo's play back in 2013.
Add to Randle. We could be so nasty with another big time player and some added backcourt and frontcourt depth.
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Odom was a great player to be 2 or a 3 in a big 3.