gotta keep in mind, Springer in a regular off-season gets significantly more money than he did. Covid economics obviously had a major impact but also teams willing to either spend big in CF or go over the luxury tax. I don't love Trevor Bauer but Gerrit Cole received 324 million the season prior.. he's not THAT much better than Bauer. Rendon is great but he's not 85 million better than Springer etc. In a normal off-season I think Springer gets 6 years closer to 180-185 (about 30 per) and I think Conforto with a 4+ fWAR 2021 gets something less than, but not far less than. I'm predicting Conforto lands in SF.
wasn't taking Mauricio over Gimenez. They prioritized getting the main piece that was closer to the bigs. It's the reason the Mets package won out over Toronto. Toronto is going to be scary soon. Their minor league system has an INSANE amount of very young, but very talented kids. If I'm betting on a team to be the toast of the AL East for the next "decade" it's Toronto. Probably not right away (though they should be good) but soon. Obviously, never bet against the Yankees or Rays.
I agree, I think Cleveland was likely Gimenez or bust. Which sort of brings things back to what the real decision of the offseason was in terms of payroll slotting:
Gimenez + Springer
or
Lindor
I think Carrasco was likely the tipping point.
Yeah given Rosario's clearly down stock it's pretty clear the Mets had to give up Gimenez to land Lindor. They didn't have another player who was that cheap with that many years of control.
rotation should be some combination of Yamamoto, Lucchesi, Eickoff, Montgomery, Oswalt, Gonzalez, SRF (though it sounds like it's been communicated to him he's viewed as a RP), Kilome
rotation should be some combination of Yamamoto, Lucchesi, Eickoff, Montgomery, Oswalt, Gonzalez, SRF (though it sounds like it's been communicated to him he's viewed as a RP), Kilome
Szapucki in BING?
Would have liked to see him in Syracuse given the missed year.
rotation should be some combination of Yamamoto, Lucchesi, Eickoff, Montgomery, Oswalt, Gonzalez, SRF (though it sounds like it's been communicated to him he's viewed as a RP), Kilome
Szapucki in BING?
Would have liked to see him in Syracuse given the missed year.
They have too many SP's for Szapucki to likely be in the Syracuse rotation. He's thrown 40 career innings above a-ball, 4 career innings in AA. Guys like Yamamoto/Eickoff/Montgomery etc aren't going to AA with recent MLB experience, Gonzalez pitched 40.1 innings in Syracuse in 2019, they resigned him despite him being an FA, gotta figure he too is in the Syracuse rotation. Szapucki can't be any higher than 9th or 10th in terms of SP opening day so there isn't any clear reason to have him skip directly to Syracuse
and that doesn't include Thor who supposedly will be back in June. If Szapucki is making a start for the 2021 Mets he's likely going to have to be really incredible at AA and then earn his way second half.
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if Conforto did what he did last year over a full season he's an MVP candidate. Nimmo isn't that and I don't think he'll ever be that.
And he's been a lot more injury prone (Nimmo has only played more than 70 games in a season once, Conforto played 150+ each year prior to last year's short season, and 109 apiece in the 2 years prior to that). That's why Conforto has been worth 16 wins above replacement for his career and why Nimmo has only been worth 8.6 - he's only been able to stay on the field about half the amount of time Conforto has.
Half the track record
+ 1 extra season until free agency
= a lot less leverage in a negotiation
Huge Conforto fan but prorating what he did over a full-season is likely going to leave you disappointed. His .412 BABIP alone tells you there is some level of regression coming. Nothing in his other numbers suggests he had a big "breakout". ISO was actually down, BB rate down, K rate up. Exit velocity was mediocre, as was his HH. Again, I'm a huge Conforto guy but he's far more likely to be a 4ish fWAR player (which Nimmo has done before) than some "MVP" candidate.
This dead on and I’ll add that Nimmo is the rarer talent too. I love Conforto and want him re-signed badly but a corner OF capable of putting up a wRC+ of 130 with 30 HR pop is infinitely more replaceable than finding a guy that can put up a .400 OBP. We’ll see how the year plays out, but my bet is if both our healthy, Nimmo outWARs Conforto.
TOR stuff (before TJS), and he'll be 25 in June, so despite the resume above AA I think with a strong start to the season I think he can pass a bunch of the pitchers ahead of him.
2019 the Mets used 9 starting pitchers. If they have similar health they won't need Szapucki, but who knows.
If the Mets are in contention down the stretch and need a spot starter my hope is they don't just pick the next name on the list, but pick the best guy to help win a game (whether it's Szapucki or not).
TOR stuff (before TJS), and he'll be 25 in June, so despite the resume above AA I think with a strong start to the season I think he can pass a bunch of the pitchers ahead of him.
2019 the Mets used 9 starting pitchers. If they have similar health they won't need Szapucki, but who knows.
If the Mets are in contention down the stretch and need a spot starter my hope is they don't just pick the next name on the list, but pick the best guy to help win a game (whether it's Szapucki or not).
I'm obviously rooting for him. I just don't think they have him skip AA when he can head to Bing, pitch well for 2-3 months and still be in potential position to help them. Down the stretch it's "all hands on deck". In May-July it's likely "boring" options for spot starts and someone outside the organization if they need a "good" SP.
is really "now or never" for Szapucki anyway in terms of value. He's taking up a 40 man spot, if he's not a legit MLB RP/SP OPTION by the time the season ends, he's likely DFA'ed. A good MLB arm should be knocking on the door of the bigs at this time next year. If he's not, injuries likely held him back to the point (sadly) he's no longer in the picture. I'm not saying that's going to be the case.
To be honest it’s why I was bummed when they missed out on springer
I really don’t have much issue letting conforto go if that is the trade off. In a lot of ways I feel as though he has been a slight disappointment from what I thought his upside would be in 2015. Now last years numbers were elite, I just don’t know if those are the real conforto numbers verse 275/330 + 25 dingers. That has value but it’s not 200 million value for a corner outfielder.
is really "now or never" for Szapucki anyway in terms of value. He's taking up a 40 man spot, if he's not a legit MLB RP/SP OPTION by the time the season ends, he's likely DFA'ed. A good MLB arm should be knocking on the door of the bigs at this time next year. If he's not, injuries likely held him back to the point (sadly) he's no longer in the picture. I'm not saying that's going to be the case.
Agree, and not necessarily comparing the two, but deGrom made his MLB debut at 26 and with a few more elite years can be a HOFer, so Szapucki, while needs to establish himself this year, can still have a good MLB career.
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Mets reliever Jacob Barnes touched 95 mph in his first Grapefruit League appearance today, but he was wild and ineffective, walking two batters, hitting another, and allowing three runs on three hits.
Barnes recorded only two outs before the inning ended due to his pitch count.
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Luis Rojas believes that the ballparks Kevin Pillar has played in may have impacted some of his subpar defensive metrics. Says that Citi Field plays more fair and he expects him to be the same guy he's been in the past.
HR for Kelenic (oppo). None of the Mets pitchers were impressive today. Luckily, none of them are "keys" to the season or even clearly big leaguers going forward.
HR for Kelenic (oppo). None of the Mets pitchers were impressive today. Luckily, none of them are "keys" to the season or even clearly big leaguers going forward.
Kelenic looks pretty big for a CF. The power opposite field looks like it may not matter where he plays, but hey, at least we have a ton of good COF'ers if that's where he ends up.
HR for Kelenic (oppo). None of the Mets pitchers were impressive today. Luckily, none of them are "keys" to the season or even clearly big leaguers going forward.
Kelenic looks pretty big for a CF. The power opposite field looks like it may not matter where he plays, but hey, at least we have a ton of good COF'ers if that's where he ends up.
They have 1 CO signed post-2021 season. Brandon Nimmo. They don't have a single "top" CO prospect. Who are the "ton" of good COF'ers? or am I not understanding your post? Was this sarcasm? My apologies if it was.
HR for Kelenic (oppo). None of the Mets pitchers were impressive today. Luckily, none of them are "keys" to the season or even clearly big leaguers going forward.
Kelenic looks pretty big for a CF. The power opposite field looks like it may not matter where he plays, but hey, at least we have a ton of good COF'ers if that's where he ends up.
They have 1 CO signed post-2021 season. Brandon Nimmo. They don't have a single "top" CO prospect. Who are the "ton" of good COF'ers? or am I not understanding your post? Was this sarcasm? My apologies if it was.
Meant at the moment for this year - Dom, Conforto, plus Nimmo who is really a COF. I suspect they are going to sign Conforto and have Nimmo for at least the next couple years after this one though (assuming DH goes through in next CBA and Smith goes to first).
Barnes didn't pitch well but he did touch 95, has a guaranteed deal, had positive buzz from Rojas, and apparently flashed a nice slider against Arenado, so yeah he's not "safe" but he likely is "fine" if he rebounds next appearance. I'm not sure Kilome is especially good. Pretty live arm but close to zero buzz and really the results for his career are meh. Nice to have him (one option left) but not expecting much. McWilliams doesn't look like a true threat to make the team (interesting profile/project), Castro is out of options. Ernst Dove (swell guy but over the top homer) insisted all Spring that Renteria was touching triple digits... 93-94 today
Nimmo is a FA after 2022 so they won't have him for the next couple of years unless they signed him. He's signed through next year, Conforto signed through this year. Obviously, if they re-sign them both they are in good shape. If Conforto walks they aren't in good shape in the OF. The OF market is UGLY
put it more succinctly the Mets have 2 OF on their 40 man roster that they control after the 2022 season... JD Davis and Khalil Lee. 3 if you include Dom Smith.
Nimmo is a FA after 2022 so they won't have him for the next couple of years unless they signed him. He's signed through next year, Conforto signed through this year. Obviously, if they re-sign them both they are in good shape. If Conforto walks they aren't in good shape in the OF. The OF market is UGLY
next couple years = 2 years (this year, next year).
they've already said they want to extend and ultimately resign Conforto.
they have Dom and McNeil (and JDD) who have played out there.
Obviously the ideal is Nimmo/Conforto, and there's no reason to think they won't bring back both if they want to. Sandy specifically said the ability to resign Conforto factored into not signing Springer.
I would have loved to know what he initially demanded from Mets. Have to think Boras screwed this one up.
Really like the Brewers offseason so far, Wong and JBJ are up the middle gold gloves and they got both for reasonable prices. And even if JBJ is duplicative of Cain they can still shift him to a corner and all of a sudden they have the best OF defense is baseball by a healthy margin. Or trade him.
The way they are built they basically need Woodruff and Burnes to carry them, and they are giving them a chance to do that with a great defense behind them. They'd be dangerous in a series where those 2 are taking the hill 4x, with a great D behind them, plus Hader, and just enough offense to score some runs with Yelich/Cain/Wong/JBJ. They are 1 hitter short but they could add that at the deadline pretty easily with 1B basically wide open. Actually surprised they didn't even make a lower cost add (like Jose Martinez).
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Mets spring training game No. 4 vs WSH:
8 Nimmo
4 McNeil
DH D. Smith
3 Alonso
2 McCann
5 Villar
6 Guillorme
9 Lee
7 Ferguson
LHP David Peterson (0-0, 0.00)
The bullshit him and his agent continue to spew is hard to take. Just move on. You picked the best franchise in sport- there's no shame in that. But stop with the lies. Enough.
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Brandon Nimmo turns on an inside pitch and knocks it off the right field foul pole, leading off the game with a homer to put the Mets up 1-0.
The bullshit him and his agent continue to spew is hard to take. Just move on. You picked the best franchise in sport- there's no shame in that. But stop with the lies. Enough.
Come on now, aren't you being a bit too harsh on the man?
The known troll who couldn't wait till FA to market himself, clearly accidentally published a website that he didn't know about or have any involvement in.
His agent recalled the story, using language NO ONE uses (I cant do that to a fan base lol). He was clearly angry about it, and in the weeks since has cleared house and fired any and everyone involved with this life changing screw up.
Face it, he realizes there was ten times the excitement about him possibly coming to the Mets than there was buzz of him actually signing with the Dodgers. His 'marketing' hope now is to troll Mets fans - I'm glad most people know to ignore this "story" lol
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Sandy Alderson on the Mets when asked on the ESPN broadcast about bad defense from last year: “Some of our players are not defensive geniuses.”
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wasn't taking Mauricio over Gimenez. They prioritized getting the main piece that was closer to the bigs. It's the reason the Mets package won out over Toronto. Toronto is going to be scary soon. Their minor league system has an INSANE amount of very young, but very talented kids. If I'm betting on a team to be the toast of the AL East for the next "decade" it's Toronto. Probably not right away (though they should be good) but soon. Obviously, never bet against the Yankees or Rays.
I agree, I think Cleveland was likely Gimenez or bust. Which sort of brings things back to what the real decision of the offseason was in terms of payroll slotting:
Gimenez + Springer
or
Lindor
I think Carrasco was likely the tipping point.
Yeah given Rosario's clearly down stock it's pretty clear the Mets had to give up Gimenez to land Lindor. They didn't have another player who was that cheap with that many years of control.
Szapucki in BING?
Would have liked to see him in Syracuse given the missed year.
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rotation should be some combination of Yamamoto, Lucchesi, Eickoff, Montgomery, Oswalt, Gonzalez, SRF (though it sounds like it's been communicated to him he's viewed as a RP), Kilome
Szapucki in BING?
Would have liked to see him in Syracuse given the missed year.
They have too many SP's for Szapucki to likely be in the Syracuse rotation. He's thrown 40 career innings above a-ball, 4 career innings in AA. Guys like Yamamoto/Eickoff/Montgomery etc aren't going to AA with recent MLB experience, Gonzalez pitched 40.1 innings in Syracuse in 2019, they resigned him despite him being an FA, gotta figure he too is in the Syracuse rotation. Szapucki can't be any higher than 9th or 10th in terms of SP opening day so there isn't any clear reason to have him skip directly to Syracuse
JDG
Carrasco
Stroman
Walker
Peterson
Yamamoto
Lucchesi
Eickhoff
Montgomery
Oswalt
Gonzalez
and that doesn't include Thor who supposedly will be back in June. If Szapucki is making a start for the 2021 Mets he's likely going to have to be really incredible at AA and then earn his way second half.
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if Conforto did what he did last year over a full season he's an MVP candidate. Nimmo isn't that and I don't think he'll ever be that.
And he's been a lot more injury prone (Nimmo has only played more than 70 games in a season once, Conforto played 150+ each year prior to last year's short season, and 109 apiece in the 2 years prior to that). That's why Conforto has been worth 16 wins above replacement for his career and why Nimmo has only been worth 8.6 - he's only been able to stay on the field about half the amount of time Conforto has.
Half the track record
+ 1 extra season until free agency
= a lot less leverage in a negotiation
Huge Conforto fan but prorating what he did over a full-season is likely going to leave you disappointed. His .412 BABIP alone tells you there is some level of regression coming. Nothing in his other numbers suggests he had a big "breakout". ISO was actually down, BB rate down, K rate up. Exit velocity was mediocre, as was his HH. Again, I'm a huge Conforto guy but he's far more likely to be a 4ish fWAR player (which Nimmo has done before) than some "MVP" candidate.
This dead on and I’ll add that Nimmo is the rarer talent too. I love Conforto and want him re-signed badly but a corner OF capable of putting up a wRC+ of 130 with 30 HR pop is infinitely more replaceable than finding a guy that can put up a .400 OBP. We’ll see how the year plays out, but my bet is if both our healthy, Nimmo outWARs Conforto.
TOR stuff (before TJS), and he'll be 25 in June, so despite the resume above AA I think with a strong start to the season I think he can pass a bunch of the pitchers ahead of him.
2019 the Mets used 9 starting pitchers. If they have similar health they won't need Szapucki, but who knows.
If the Mets are in contention down the stretch and need a spot starter my hope is they don't just pick the next name on the list, but pick the best guy to help win a game (whether it's Szapucki or not).
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Jacob deGrom will make his spring debut on Saturday
TOR stuff (before TJS), and he'll be 25 in June, so despite the resume above AA I think with a strong start to the season I think he can pass a bunch of the pitchers ahead of him.
2019 the Mets used 9 starting pitchers. If they have similar health they won't need Szapucki, but who knows.
If the Mets are in contention down the stretch and need a spot starter my hope is they don't just pick the next name on the list, but pick the best guy to help win a game (whether it's Szapucki or not).
I'm obviously rooting for him. I just don't think they have him skip AA when he can head to Bing, pitch well for 2-3 months and still be in potential position to help them. Down the stretch it's "all hands on deck". In May-July it's likely "boring" options for spot starts and someone outside the organization if they need a "good" SP.
Agree, and not necessarily comparing the two, but deGrom made his MLB debut at 26 and with a few more elite years can be a HOFer, so Szapucki, while needs to establish himself this year, can still have a good MLB career.
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The Mets and Cardinals have pushed back first pitch to 1:20
(because of the governor announcement?)
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The Mets and Cardinals have pushed back first pitch to 1:20
(because of the governor announcement?)
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The Mets and Cardinals have pushed back first pitch to 1:20
(because of the governor announcement?)
Rain
makes more sense. lol
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Golden age of SS in the majors, plus kids like this coming up. I really like CJ Abrams as well, but he'll be moved off SS with Tatis, obviously.
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Mets reliever Jacob Barnes touched 95 mph in his first Grapefruit League appearance today, but he was wild and ineffective, walking two batters, hitting another, and allowing three runs on three hits.
Barnes recorded only two outs before the inning ended due to his pitch count.
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Luis Rojas believes that the ballparks Kevin Pillar has played in may have impacted some of his subpar defensive metrics. Says that Citi Field plays more fair and he expects him to be the same guy he's been in the past.
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Cross our fingers he's right.
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Kelenic looks pretty big for a CF. The power opposite field looks like it may not matter where he plays, but hey, at least we have a ton of good COF'ers if that's where he ends up.
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HR for Kelenic (oppo). None of the Mets pitchers were impressive today. Luckily, none of them are "keys" to the season or even clearly big leaguers going forward.
Kelenic looks pretty big for a CF. The power opposite field looks like it may not matter where he plays, but hey, at least we have a ton of good COF'ers if that's where he ends up.
They have 1 CO signed post-2021 season. Brandon Nimmo. They don't have a single "top" CO prospect. Who are the "ton" of good COF'ers? or am I not understanding your post? Was this sarcasm? My apologies if it was.
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HR for Kelenic (oppo). None of the Mets pitchers were impressive today. Luckily, none of them are "keys" to the season or even clearly big leaguers going forward.
Kelenic looks pretty big for a CF. The power opposite field looks like it may not matter where he plays, but hey, at least we have a ton of good COF'ers if that's where he ends up.
They have 1 CO signed post-2021 season. Brandon Nimmo. They don't have a single "top" CO prospect. Who are the "ton" of good COF'ers? or am I not understanding your post? Was this sarcasm? My apologies if it was.
Meant at the moment for this year - Dom, Conforto, plus Nimmo who is really a COF. I suspect they are going to sign Conforto and have Nimmo for at least the next couple years after this one though (assuming DH goes through in next CBA and Smith goes to first).
next couple years = 2 years (this year, next year).
they've already said they want to extend and ultimately resign Conforto.
they have Dom and McNeil (and JDD) who have played out there.
Obviously the ideal is Nimmo/Conforto, and there's no reason to think they won't bring back both if they want to. Sandy specifically said the ability to resign Conforto factored into not signing Springer.
Really like the Brewers offseason so far, Wong and JBJ are up the middle gold gloves and they got both for reasonable prices. And even if JBJ is duplicative of Cain they can still shift him to a corner and all of a sudden they have the best OF defense is baseball by a healthy margin. Or trade him.
The way they are built they basically need Woodruff and Burnes to carry them, and they are giving them a chance to do that with a great defense behind them. They'd be dangerous in a series where those 2 are taking the hill 4x, with a great D behind them, plus Hader, and just enough offense to score some runs with Yelich/Cain/Wong/JBJ. They are 1 hitter short but they could add that at the deadline pretty easily with 1B basically wide open. Actually surprised they didn't even make a lower cost add (like Jose Martinez).
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Mets spring training game No. 4 vs WSH:
8 Nimmo
4 McNeil
DH D. Smith
3 Alonso
2 McCann
5 Villar
6 Guillorme
9 Lee
7 Ferguson
LHP David Peterson (0-0, 0.00)
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94 MPH first pitch from Peterson to Victor Robles misses inside, and we are under way!
Metsmerized
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Brandon Nimmo turns on an inside pitch and knocks it off the right field foul pole, leading off the game with a homer to put the Mets up 1-0.
Come on now, aren't you being a bit too harsh on the man?
The known troll who couldn't wait till FA to market himself, clearly accidentally published a website that he didn't know about or have any involvement in.
His agent recalled the story, using language NO ONE uses (I cant do that to a fan base lol). He was clearly angry about it, and in the weeks since has cleared house and fired any and everyone involved with this life changing screw up.
Face it, he realizes there was ten times the excitement about him possibly coming to the Mets than there was buzz of him actually signing with the Dodgers. His 'marketing' hope now is to troll Mets fans - I'm glad most people know to ignore this "story" lol
I think your prior post was better. I won't speak for all fans, but I don't care at all about it.
Just move on, win some games, and no one will care about it.
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Sandy Alderson on the Mets when asked on the ESPN broadcast about bad defense from last year: “Some of our players are not defensive geniuses.”