Top 200 Big Board From GBN Draft Report

Love your picks. Improving the Offense at WR, OL and TE are the top priorities and biggest needs for this team. Those three would all have a chance at starting or playing important minutes and make an impact on the offense. And in the 4th I’d go WR or OL again.

... Hunter Long (77) or Brevin Jordan (80) in round three would seem to make sense, especially if the Giants are done with Evan Engram. Obviously, Pitts (3) at #11 or Freiermuth (32) at #42 would be attractive too. After those four, there's McKitty (108) and Tremble (115), followed by a big drop to Gray (172), Granson (189) and a bunch of others who don't make the GBN Board, including some recognizable names from the Big Ten.

Clearly, a pass-catching weapon, a potential OL starter and a defensive playmaker would be a good combination on days 1 and 2. On the other hand, the Giants' roster is so weak that BPA is a pretty safe strategy, except maybe on the defensive line or at safety.

In comment 15163907 BillT said:

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Love your picks. Improving the Offense at WR, OL and TE are the top priorities and biggest needs for this team. Those three would all have a chance at starting or playing important minutes and make an impact on the offense. And in the 4th I’d go WR or OL again.

Amen to going back to WR and OL again!

can go back to finding good 2-way TE's later in the draft.

A big slobberknocker with a basketball background who likes to stay out of the limelight and be physical.

We don't need a hero running a 4.3 at TE. We need a solid all-around football player.

in the early rounds. Need a stud interior guy. I still want a impact corner or LB in round one. Get the WR in round 2 or 3 and then also in later rounds.

would be nice ... he is going to surprise! Him next to LW and Dex would be really nice. Consisten good technique and can move inside on passing downs occasionally as well.

Vastly underrated.

In comment 15163907 BillT said:

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Love your picks. Improving the Offense at WR, OL and TE are the top priorities and biggest needs for this team. Those three would all have a chance at starting or playing important minutes and make an impact on the offense. And in the 4th I’d go WR or OL again.

I don't think MS made those picks. He just listed what GBN's 11th ranked player is, etc.

In comment 15164071 sb from NYT Forum said:

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In comment 15163907 BillT said: Quote: Love your picks. Improving the Offense at WR, OL and TE are the top priorities and biggest needs for this team. Those three would all have a chance at starting or playing important minutes and make an impact on the offense. And in the 4th I’d go WR or OL again. I don't think MS made those picks. He just listed what GBN's 11th ranked player is, etc.

I don't mean to be a pain in the ass, but in a very circumscribed fashion, I did make those selections. Note that I didn't just choose the player where the Giants were slotted, save for the first round.

I don't want to trade down or trade up, unless the price is too good to pass up. Just stay at our spot and select a strong prospect.

I'd pick Parsons, Atwell and Wilson if sticking to those three choices in each of the first three rounds

Surtain and Rousseau have to also be in the discussion in rd 1 and in round 3 Odighizowa would also be in the discussion for me

I'd go with Slater, Atwell, and Long.

I just don't see Waddle as a #1 and the injury bothers me. And both Slater and Parsons took off a year so that is a x-factor.

But I still don't trust our interior OL and love Slater's versatility.

In comment 15164088 M.S. said:

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In comment 15164071 sb from NYT Forum said: Quote: In comment 15163907 BillT said: Quote: Love your picks. Improving the Offense at WR, OL and TE are the top priorities and biggest needs for this team. Those three would all have a chance at starting or playing important minutes and make an impact on the offense. And in the 4th I’d go WR or OL again. I don't think MS made those picks. He just listed what GBN's 11th ranked player is, etc. I don't mean to be a pain in the ass, but in a very circumscribed fashion, I did make those selections. Note that I didn't just choose the player where the Giants were slotted, save for the first round.

Ah, my bad.

Based on the list I'd prefer Parsons or Surtain over Waddle. Waddle's ankle injury scares me.

omission from that list. Ifeatu Melifonwu, CB from Syracuse. Showed well at the Senior Bowl.

1) Parsons, because while I think Waddle is terrific, there's that ankle concern. If he is healthy and shows it at is pro day, I might rethink that. Also, because there are a lot more and better prospects on the O side than the D side in rounds 2-5. Better get your stud defender early. In this situation, I would try to trade down and get at least another 2nd-rounder. The Giants have only six picks and two are 6th-rounders. Not nearly enough to address needs.

2) Atwell is one of the more polarizing players in this draft. GBN has him ranked very high. Other sites much lower. Sy liked him as the Giants' 3rd-rounder. He also has injury concerns, he's tiny, and I don't think he is going to be worth much as a blocker. There are other guys I like better for the Giants and their needs, especially in the second. But the Giants need playmakers and speed, and he gives you that. Davis is also a somewhat polarizing prospect. Cosmi is safer, but given these three choices after Parsons, I'd go with Atwell. If you take Waddle, you don't take Atwell in the 2nd.

3) Wilson is a nice player but doesn't solve either the pass rush or the lack of playmakers on offense. Weaver doesn't seem like a scheme fit; I think he's a 4-3, hand-in-the-dirt defensive end. I could be wrong. This is supposed to be a deep TE class but I think most of them are lesser prospects. In line with solving the playmaker problem: Long.

I think that in reality the Giants will be looking much, much wider than one pick on either side of the ranking, because they have unusual needs on defense. I expect them to put a premium on players who are versatile and can fit in a hybrid scheme: guys like Adetokunbo Ogundeji and Dayo Odeyingbo on defense.

On offense, I think they are going to look for receivers who are suited to play either outside or slot on offense, like D'Wayne Eskridge and Dyami Brown, to name two guys who come to mind. They also like special teams contributors and Eskridge excels there, where a lot of smaller receivers don't. Also, the beats keep mentioning that they want bigger receivers, so I think they will prefer a bigger outside "X" like Ja'Marr Chase, Rashod Bateman, Terrace Marshall, Nico Collins, Seth Williams or Sage Surratt before they get a little speedster like Atwell -- though they could use both. If the only end up with six picks, I would be shocked if they went with Atwell early. Atwell and Rondale Moore, both incredible playmakers with injury concerns. Like Waddle, for that matter.

Afternoon guys: Just 60 days to go! (And as usual thanks for the plug M.S.)

Just a couple or three comments. Personally I have kind of given up on thinking about what the Giants might do with their #1 pick. Fact is there appear to be 4-5 legit blue chip prospects who'll be going early and then another 8-9 red chippers anyone of which would make the Giants better at a position of need. And one can argue until the cows come home as to who would be a better pick at #11 but the fact is that which of those 8-9 red chippers will actually be available is out of the Giants hands right now.

What really jumped out at me when doing this list was the quality of the players that are going to be available in the 2nd round. Again there is still some sorting out, but the players on our list ranked 33-45 include WRs Terace Marshall, Rashod Bateman, RonDale Moore, and Tutu Atwell; OTs Walker Little and Sam Cosmi; G/T Alex Leaherwood; OG Wyatt Davis; DE/ERs Patrick Jones and Joe Tyron; DT Christian Barmore and CBs Aaron Robinson and Eric Stokes. Bottom line is the Giants would be thrilled to get literally every one of those guys.

A couple of other points; several people mentioned that Waddle isn't a #1 WR. In fact, he probably doesn't fit the prototype of a #1 guy, but I am not sure the Giants are limiting themselves to that definition. They are looking for big-play prospects with the potential to provide chunk plays and Waddle is that! That said, WR is THE one position in this year's draft that one can reasonably expect to get players in the 2nd (see above), 3rd and even 4th rounds that can come in and contribute. That means they won't have to force a pick at receiver in the opening round.

Doesn't address weapons or CB, but good picks to add.

That isn't Gettleman's MO.

He will not risk that one of the top receiving targets isn't there at #11 and will add one in free agency (subject to available cap space). There is also the impatience of waiting for a rookie WR to make an impact which typically is not immediately which is really what Jones (and DG) needs.

This also gives them the leeway to be more flexible with BPA in Rd1, and then they can probably add another WR or TE in Rd2 or Rd3.

In comment 15164319 Colin@gbn said:

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Afternoon guys: Just 60 days to go! (And as usual thanks for the plug M.S.) Just a couple or three comments. Personally I have kind of given up on thinking about what the Giants might do with their #1 pick. Fact is there appear to be 4-5 legit blue chip prospects who'll be going early and then another 8-9 red chippers anyone of which would make the Giants better at a position of need. And one can argue until the cows come home as to who would be a better pick at #11 but the fact is that which of those 8-9 red chippers will actually be available is out of the Giants hands right now. What really jumped out at me when doing this list was the quality of the players that are going to be available in the 2nd round. Again there is still some sorting out, but the players on our list ranked 33-45 include WRs Terace Marshall, Rashod Bateman, RonDale Moore, and Tutu Atwell; OTs Walker Little and Sam Cosmi; G/T Alex Leaherwood; OG Wyatt Davis; DE/ERs Patrick Jones and Joe Tyron; DT Christian Barmore and CBs Aaron Robinson and Eric Stokes. Bottom line is the Giants would be thrilled to get literally every one of those guys. A couple of other points; several people mentioned that Waddle isn't a #1 WR. In fact, he probably doesn't fit the prototype of a #1 guy, but I am not sure the Giants are limiting themselves to that definition. They are looking for big-play prospects with the potential to provide chunk plays and Waddle is that! That said, WR is THE one position in this year's draft that one can reasonably expect to get players in the 2nd (see above), 3rd and even 4th rounds that can come in and contribute. That means they won't have to force a pick at receiver in the opening round.

Hey Colin, how would you compare the two Alabama WRs in this year's draft with the two from last year. I'm especially intrigued by the Waddle vs. Ruggs comparison since they're both fast playmakers. From what I'm watching/reading, it seems like Waddle is a better prospect than Ruggs who went 12th last year.

Osi: I was kind of shocked last spring when Ruggs went 12th overall and ahead of Jeudy. He was really fast but not much else. Waddle may not be quite as fast as Ruggs but he's a much better receiver who will make people miss in the open field. Bottom line is that both Smith and Waddle are better prospects than the 2 guys last year and unfortunately may very well not make it to #11. I have also had more than one contact say they wouldn't be surprised that Waddle goes before Smith as long as he checks out medically and if there is a chance one gets to #11 its Smith.

Jimmy: To be honest, I am not sure what DG's M.O is. Plus, while he obviously plays a significant role, these are organizational decisions. I am also not convinced that if the Giants did sign a big-name WR - and there is no guarantee that they'll get there - they wouldn't also still be looking at a receiver in the first round f there was one available that they really liked. Remember when DG and Mara talked about wanting to add some playmakers on offense they talked about playmakers (plural) not just A playmaker. In that sense one of the things we have been encouraging people to do is think less about positions and more about units and in that sense the Giants are probably hoping to add 2-3 offensive playmakers at least. And because of the depth in this year's draft at WR they can still upgrade the unit even if they don't add anyone in FA or take one in the first round.

as well for Daniel Jones. Although I would think that one experienced veteran and one rookie is a prudent mix. Do agree that if they can't make it work in free agency then would presume 2 of top 3 picks will go to receiving targets, or they will make a move.

As to Gettleman's MO, we can debate how much but active desperation makes up too much of it...

It confirms Jeremiah's reshuffle of the top ten and I'm guessing others will follow suit. All of the prospects I had hoped the Giants would have their choice of are now clustered in the top ten. Only Rousseau from my short list remains outside it. And he was the most boom or bust on my list.

Maybe someone will fall in love with Mac Jones. It's also possible, maybe even likely, that there will be a prospect or two that kills it on their pro day and crashes the top ten. Perhaps someone like Kadarius Toney. Pro scouts may see him as Waddle's equivalent minus the injury concerns (and Waddle minus his injury history would be a legit top ten candidate I would think). At this point I'm still hopeful that Farley or Slater are in the mix when the Giants are on the clock. I've given up on Chase and Pitts being available and Sewell was always a pipe dream.

I would never have said this a couple weeks ago (when prospects like Pitts and Farley were projected outside the top ten), but I could see Gettleman trading up, especially if the four QB's all go within the top six or seven (which is quite possible believe it or not).

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It confirms Jeremiah's reshuffle of the top ten and I'm guessing others will follow suit. All of the prospects I had hoped the Giants would have their choice of are now clustered in the top ten. Only Rousseau from my short list remains outside it. And he was the most boom or bust on my list. Maybe someone will fall in love with Mac Jones. It's also possible, maybe even likely, that there will be a prospect or two that kills it on their pro day and crashes the top ten. Perhaps someone like Kadarius Toney. Pro scouts may see him as Waddle's equivalent minus the injury concerns (and Waddle minus his injury history would be a legit top ten candidate I would think). At this point I'm still hopeful that Farley or Slater are in the mix when the Giants are on the clock. I've given up on Chase and Pitts being available and Sewell was always a pipe dream. I would never have said this a couple weeks ago (when prospects like Pitts and Farley were projected outside the top ten), but I could see Gettleman trading up, especially if the four QB's all go within the top six or seven (which is quite possible believe it or not).

I don't think the Giants have the assets to trade up unless they start trading away 2022 picks. Which would be irresponsible in my view.

In comment 15163990 mittenedman said:

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can go back to finding good 2-way TE's later in the draft. A big slobberknocker with a basketball background who likes to stay out of the limelight and be physical. We don't need a hero running a 4.3 at TE. We need a solid all-around football player.

In-line tight ends are getting harder and harder to find. Most of the TEs coming out of college are more like Engram: Big, fast pass-catchers who create matchup problems and aren't asked to block that much. There may be a bunch of guys who can be physical that way, but there probably isn't a lot of tape to prove it.

Sometimes I think it'd be worth it to try converting mid-late round OT prospects to TE, but the limited practice squad makes that sort of impractical to do at the NFL level.

I understand this is an attempt at ranking for value, not where the players will be drafted, but IF all the top ten players listed were gone by the time the Giants pick, both Parsons and Surtain are still available.

Based on what I've read, I'd be fine with either Parsons or Surtain as the Giants pick at #11 overall. Make the defense a true strength!

In the Reese era, almost guaranteed he'd be a Giant.

I read Charley Casserly and CBS's draft yesterday and the differences are incredible. Both have Pitts available and both have the Giants passing.
Duh?....
Both have darkhorses slipping into the top ten with Nagiet Harris (rb) and Jeremiah Koramoah (lb'er) as unexpected intruders.
The experts are all over the place and I'm reminded of the last time we picked at or near this slot, Blake Bortles and Sammy Watson were top 5 and Odell Beckham, Aaron Donald and Zack Martin were looking for a little love and the new pennies had 2014 stamped on them.
I am not counted among the believers, i dont think every snowflake is different, I just havent been able to prove it yet, but every mock draft is.
It's empowering, as one of the least qualified prognosticators on the planet I want Pitts who, in my highly unqualified opinion, links an insanely high upside with almost no bust potential ( he had No drops last year). It's a self-defeating prophecy; if he's that good, how could he fall to 11?. And that's what I work at: inchoate implausibility. I have four quarterbacks top 10, 1 Pic that no one saw coming and Chase and Pewell. Thats gives me seven down and two to go.
Detroit won't pass on Parsons, Someone will grab Smith, Dallas will take Parsons or Slade right before us and before them the Browns will take Celeb Farley.
I've got 11 players going in the top 10 and still have Pitts, Waddle, and a few available and I want to get the record recorded before the thing melts into an ordinary non unique drop of rain.
Oh boy

Waddle is NFL ready as is Davis. We are weak at TE.

I mean, my honest hope is that a QB is there at #11 and a team calls and gives us a deal we can't refuse. That would be the best thing for us, honestly. However, since that is dreaming and praying type stuff you go with the BPA at all three premium picks.

If we generated three rookie starters for the offense; making veteran Zeitler expendable and Lemiuex perhaps the top backup inside at 3 positions (learning OC); well, if Thomas and Peart start and are super solid, this OL along with the new TE could develop into a fierce unit by mid-season.

BPA all three picks and the offense needs to get lucky!

Waddle starting WR
Davis starting guard
Long future starting tight end.

That would be a homerun

Morning guys: I think Grizz is about as close as anybody to nailing the 2021 draft! Fact is there are just so many possible perms and combs in the top ten of this year's opening round that you just get a headache trying to figure out who might be there at #11. Its like playing whack-a-mole!

Here's what I think we can say. It appears from the various FO comments that the primary goal this off-season is to add some big-play weapons to the offense. So it certainly shouldn't be a shock if - like last year with the OL - that the Giants use as many as 2-3 early picks on receivers. In the opening round my best guess is that they go in with the hope of getting one of the 4 top ten receivers (Chase, Pitts, Smith and Waddle). Most likely they sit tight as long as two of those guys are still on the board. If it gets down to one - and I don't want to give anyone indigestion here - but they may very well think about trading up. Its how the draft works. On the other hand, if you do get past Detroit at #7 with only one receiver left on the board you may let it ride as it appears that Carolina, Denver and Dallas have much bigger needs at other positions (with quality players on the board that address those needs.)

What would it cost to move up. Probably a 3rd. And I know there will be people out there that will moan that the Giants have too many holes to be trading away picks, but I believe if it comes to it it becomes a question of quality over quantity as how many holes is a rookie 3rd rounder going to fill anyway.

Option B for the Giants though if they didn't get one of those top 4 receivers at #11 - and it looks to me as if the odds are about 50-50 that one will be available - is to take the next best thing at that spot, most likely either a Surtain/Farley at CB or a Slater at G/T, and then load up on receivers in rounds 2-3-4. In fact, as noted above it wouldn't surprise me if the Giants loaded up on receivers in those rounds even if they did get one of those top 4 guys at #11. It's how you build a unit, although they are going to stick with their board and aren't going to pass on a higher value player at another position. Just 58 days to go!!