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BBV: 5 higher-priced EDGE free agents Giants could pursue

Big Blue '56 : 3/1/2021 8:11 am
I don’t see it happening, but these are the names he mentions..Details on each in lonk..

-Shaquil Barrett, Buccaneers

-Carl Lawson, Bengals

-Haasan Reddick, Cardinals

-Bud Dupree, Steelers

-Matt Judon, Ravens










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Based  
Jon in NYC : 3/1/2021 8:22 am : link
on skillset and value I think Reddick is the pretty clear choice.

You're buying the upside, he's still pretty young, doesn't get hurt and is from Jersey (although South Jersey so he's probably an Eagles fan).
RE: Based  
Big Blue '56 : 3/1/2021 8:30 am : link
In comment 15163922 Jon in NYC said:
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on skillset and value I think Reddick is the pretty clear choice.

You're buying the upside, he's still pretty young, doesn't get hurt and is from Jersey (although South Jersey so he's probably an Eagles fan).



Unless we can benefit from an amortized LW contract, where would the big dollars come from?
Presuming they retain LW  
JonC : 3/1/2021 8:33 am : link
pursuing an Edge upgrade makes a lot of sense, much like WR. But, much like when they signed Vernon you're overpaying for warts among the 2021 options, both at Edge and WR.
And yes, the cap space figures to dry up quickly  
JonC : 3/1/2021 8:35 am : link
including whatever space they decide to free up now. Opening up $30M in new space will go quickly.

Draft prospects need to start contributing more, their premium prospects really must take over the immediate future of the team on the football field.
RE: RE: Based  
Jon in NYC : 3/1/2021 8:44 am : link
In comment 15163927 Big Blue '56 said:
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In comment 15163922 Jon in NYC said:


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on skillset and value I think Reddick is the pretty clear choice.

You're buying the upside, he's still pretty young, doesn't get hurt and is from Jersey (although South Jersey so he's probably an Eagles fan).




Unless we can benefit from an amortized LW contract, where would the big dollars come from?


Will Reddick necessarily command big dollars? One year of production, and 40% of that came against NYG. They should be able to add 1-2 mid tier signings if Tomlinson walks and I think we could do worse than Reddick. Probably need a mid tier WR too to hedge against forcing a need pick in the draft.
Reddick  
mittenedman : 3/1/2021 8:47 am : link
sure checks all the boxes for what it seems like the Giants are looking for.

*Just entering his prime

*Versatile: College S, Can play on the LOS, or stacked (key Buck position open on this D, with Carter returning from Achilles and Fackrell UFA)

*From the area

*Productive against the Giants
unless its a 1 year deal  
giants#1 : 3/1/2021 9:05 am : link
I'd steer clear of Dupree. Coming off an ACL and his big seasons didn't come until his 1) contract year and 2) Watt drawing all the attention.

Reddick is the guy I'd like and I think he'd be a little cheaper than the others. But he'd fill the role Fackrell played and at a higher level.
RE: RE: RE: Based  
Sammo85 : 3/1/2021 9:10 am : link
In comment 15163933 Jon in NYC said:
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In comment 15163927 Big Blue '56 said:


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In comment 15163922 Jon in NYC said:


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on skillset and value I think Reddick is the pretty clear choice.

You're buying the upside, he's still pretty young, doesn't get hurt and is from Jersey (although South Jersey so he's probably an Eagles fan).




Unless we can benefit from an amortized LW contract, where would the big dollars come from?



Will Reddick necessarily command big dollars? One year of production, and 40% of that came against NYG. They should be able to add 1-2 mid tier signings if Tomlinson walks and I think we could do worse than Reddick. Probably need a mid tier WR too to hedge against forcing a need pick in the draft.


Absolutely. Teams are starved for immediate pass rush help. All it takes is one team with loads of space and a need. He fits still given age in a multiple front defense so his value gets a bit enhanced in being able to line up at EDGE, off the ball, can even drop him back on TEs/RBs into coverage. But he's a guy who plays best attacking the line. With LW/DL here, he could put up numbers. His consistency though does scare me given only one year of front to back production.

I don't think we can afford him, or if we do, it absolutely eliminates any possibility of Tomlinson coming back too.
If we are gonna  
Straw Hat : 3/1/2021 9:21 am : link
sign reddick, id almlst rather we resigned fackrell cheaper. Reddick hasnt done anything that shows he’s better than fackrell during his career. Other than being a better athlete.
RE: If we are gonna  
mittenedman : 3/1/2021 9:28 am : link
In comment 15163973 Straw Hat said:
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sign reddick, id almlst rather we resigned fackrell cheaper. Reddick hasnt done anything that shows he’s better than fackrell during his career. Other than being a better athlete.


Very good post. Agreed 100%. The delta between the 2, for the contract difference, isn't there.
Giants have a tendency to sign free agents who played well against  
Ivan15 : 3/1/2021 9:31 am : link
them, although lately, it seems everyone plays well against them.

I think at least 3 of these names are on the All Pro list of Giants opponents.

Seriously, wait for 3 of them to sign and watch the prices drop on whoever is left.
Depending on the tags....I would love Dupree  
George from PA : 3/1/2021 9:45 am : link
Who so happened destroyed the Giants.

I read Larson was an ideal choice....but do not remember watching him
RE: If we are gonna  
Toth029 : 3/1/2021 9:49 am : link
In comment 15163973 Straw Hat said:
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sign reddick, id almlst rather we resigned fackrell cheaper. Reddick hasnt done anything that shows he’s better than fackrell during his career. Other than being a better athlete.


I am partially in agreement with that. Reddick peaked this past year but over the course of his career so far, he didn't really stand out. Better scheme? Better regimen? Motivated for big money?

I would look more at Lawson who should be cheaper. Barrett is going to be overpaid. Dupree is scary for something not one year incentivized deal. Judon may get an overbearing deal too, similar to Vernon.

Out of those guys listed: Lawson is my choice of preference
I could see all of those guys on the Giants  
Jim in Forest Hills : 3/1/2021 10:05 am : link
hope they get one of them.
Found this on Lawson...nice to see  
Jimmy Googs : 3/1/2021 10:25 am : link

https://www.cincyjungle.com/2020/12/2/21755122/bengals-film-room-carl-lawson-andrew-thomas-giants-weekly-lineman-nfl-week-12
I think I would spend  
Dnew15 : 3/1/2021 10:34 am : link
FA money on the offense.

Signing Thuney and Davis and drafting Parsons and a CB high in the draft along with resigning LW would be my spending.

I just don't think there's going to value with any of the edge players in FA this year.
This is not the year for a high priced FA defense signing  
BillT : 3/1/2021 10:40 am : link
First, we have LW and maybe Tomlinson to sign. Most everything else we have in terms of resources should be spent on the offense. We aren’t going to the SB this year. We will have a lot of cap space for this kind of signing next year and a better idea about exactly what we need.
Minus LW  
Hilary : 3/1/2021 10:40 am : link
LW may want a state with better weather and lower taxes than NJ ( I think he lives in Florida). If they lose LW they will need to re sign Tomlinson and bring in another player or two to create pressure. Leonard Floyd could also be mentioned.
i don't see this as being a wise investment  
GiantsFan84 : 3/1/2021 10:41 am : link
i'm not sold on any of those guys and all will command pretty good money. i'd rather they spend elsewhere
RE: And yes, the cap space figures to dry up quickly  
Thegratefulhead : 3/1/2021 10:45 am : link
In comment 15163931 JonC said:
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including whatever space they decide to free up now. Opening up $30M in new space will go quickly.

Draft prospects need to start contributing more, their premium prospects really must take over the immediate future of the team on the football field.
It feels hopeless sometimes. Too many holes in the damn and not enough fingers. We need to draft playerS that walk on the field and other teams have to account for them. In short, playmakers and playwreckers. We don't have any that can stay on the field or that don't give it back with negative plays.
I think we have a handful  
JonC : 3/1/2021 10:54 am : link
that could potentially be that type of player, it's just damn disheartening not seeing the premium picks really make a consistent impact on the field yet. The 2020 Giants really didn't get good performances from their many of their best players on offense.

The team is still a bit away from sharpshooting UFA to fill key holes to finish a roster. Then, factor in how much you typically are forced to overpay on the open market and it seems caution is warranted.

I could see signing Lawson or Reddick and adding another Edge in the draft, as well as CB and DT to infuse the defense. Not really seeing a ton of WR help on the open market, and the OL is still a ways from being a playoff-type unit.
What DG really needs to do  
Dnew15 : 3/1/2021 10:54 am : link
is trade down and get more picks.

Not only is there a chance to get more young talent, but it's cheap, young talent.

You can't keep filling holes with FA.
RE: I think we have a handful  
Thegratefulhead : 3/1/2021 11:05 am : link
In comment 15164063 JonC said:
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that could potentially be that type of player, it's just damn disheartening not seeing the premium picks really make a consistent impact on the field yet. The 2020 Giants really didn't get good performances from their many of their best players on offense.

The team is still a bit away from sharpshooting UFA to fill key holes to finish a roster. Then, factor in how much you typically are forced to overpay on the open market and it seems caution is warranted.

I could see signing Lawson or Reddick and adding another Edge in the draft, as well as CB and DT to infuse the defense. Not really seeing a ton of WR help on the open market, and the OL is still a ways from being a playoff-type unit.
I agree.

ROI

Barkley

Not good enough. Has talent in spades but cannot stay on the field. Also, too many negative or zero gain plays.

Will Hernandez

Not good enough, rookie displaced him much of last year.

Daniel Jones

Not Good enough. I need more.

Dexter Lawrence

good but not a star.

Baker

FFS

Thomas

I am still very concerned.

McKinney

Jury is out still.





RE: What DG really needs to do  
GiantsFan84 : 3/1/2021 11:13 am : link
In comment 15164064 Dnew15 said:
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is trade down and get more picks.

Not only is there a chance to get more young talent, but it's cheap, young talent.

You can't keep filling holes with FA.


he needs to really hit on 3 picks this year. every hole won't be solved this year. but hitting on 3 picks regardless of position will be a big impact
Agreed with he has to nail first 3 picks  
Payasdaddy : 3/1/2021 11:38 am : link
We have probably 5 major holes
I think 2nd CB and OG may be the most likely to be in FA
Just a bit more reasonable contracts. Usually
We may not fill all the holes this yr
If WR as loaded with talent as some think, I would definitely draft 2 WR in the first 4 rounds. The other two, either Oline, cb , ER or TE
Hopefully sign 1-2 mid tier FA. Does it fill every hole? No!
But if saquon is solid with health and DJ just stops pressing so damn much ( half his issue I believe is he is trying too hard. Love the competitive streak But at times let game come to him)
Real hope is a couple of weapons for DJ ( even a golden Tate type sighting who is a bit younger. Veteran presence).
Reddick makes a lot of sense and might  
Simms11 : 3/1/2021 1:38 pm : link
even thrive as an Ege in Graham’s system. Seems like he’s finally coming into his own and the position change to more of an Edge rusher last year seemed to suit him with 12.5 sacks, 5 of which came against us, but he had 7.5 additional sacks and that’s a good sign.
I know the cap figures can be misleading,  
81_Great_Dane : 3/1/2021 2:15 pm : link
and that there are ways to create cap space, but how can the Giants be such a bad team for several years running, be so young, and still be low on cap space.

I mean, the Knicks are have been bad for what seems like forever but at least their management made sure to get some cap space.

Yes, the NFL is different from the NBA, contracts aren't guaranteed, the NBA doesn't have "cap casualties" like the NFL does. But still...
I think we would be better to see a list  
Giantimistic : 3/1/2021 5:19 pm : link
of 5 under the radar lower priced free agents at Edge.

I would think the Frackler variety.

Also, I would think 3rd down specialist pass rushers of the low cost variety.
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