pursuing an Edge upgrade makes a lot of sense, much like WR. But, much like when they signed Vernon you're overpaying for warts among the 2021 options, both at Edge and WR.
on skillset and value I think Reddick is the pretty clear choice.
You're buying the upside, he's still pretty young, doesn't get hurt and is from Jersey (although South Jersey so he's probably an Eagles fan).
Unless we can benefit from an amortized LW contract, where would the big dollars come from?
Will Reddick necessarily command big dollars? One year of production, and 40% of that came against NYG. They should be able to add 1-2 mid tier signings if Tomlinson walks and I think we could do worse than Reddick. Probably need a mid tier WR too to hedge against forcing a need pick in the draft.
on skillset and value I think Reddick is the pretty clear choice.
You're buying the upside, he's still pretty young, doesn't get hurt and is from Jersey (although South Jersey so he's probably an Eagles fan).
Unless we can benefit from an amortized LW contract, where would the big dollars come from?
Will Reddick necessarily command big dollars? One year of production, and 40% of that came against NYG. They should be able to add 1-2 mid tier signings if Tomlinson walks and I think we could do worse than Reddick. Probably need a mid tier WR too to hedge against forcing a need pick in the draft.
Absolutely. Teams are starved for immediate pass rush help. All it takes is one team with loads of space and a need. He fits still given age in a multiple front defense so his value gets a bit enhanced in being able to line up at EDGE, off the ball, can even drop him back on TEs/RBs into coverage. But he's a guy who plays best attacking the line. With LW/DL here, he could put up numbers. His consistency though does scare me given only one year of front to back production.
I don't think we can afford him, or if we do, it absolutely eliminates any possibility of Tomlinson coming back too.
sign reddick, id almlst rather we resigned fackrell cheaper. Reddick hasnt done anything that shows he’s better than fackrell during his career. Other than being a better athlete.
sign reddick, id almlst rather we resigned fackrell cheaper. Reddick hasnt done anything that shows he’s better than fackrell during his career. Other than being a better athlete.
Very good post. Agreed 100%. The delta between the 2, for the contract difference, isn't there.
Giants have a tendency to sign free agents who played well against
sign reddick, id almlst rather we resigned fackrell cheaper. Reddick hasnt done anything that shows he’s better than fackrell during his career. Other than being a better athlete.
I am partially in agreement with that. Reddick peaked this past year but over the course of his career so far, he didn't really stand out. Better scheme? Better regimen? Motivated for big money?
I would look more at Lawson who should be cheaper. Barrett is going to be overpaid. Dupree is scary for something not one year incentivized deal. Judon may get an overbearing deal too, similar to Vernon.
Out of those guys listed: Lawson is my choice of preference
First, we have LW and maybe Tomlinson to sign. Most everything else we have in terms of resources should be spent on the offense. We aren’t going to the SB this year. We will have a lot of cap space for this kind of signing next year and a better idea about exactly what we need.
LW may want a state with better weather and lower taxes than NJ ( I think he lives in Florida). If they lose LW they will need to re sign Tomlinson and bring in another player or two to create pressure. Leonard Floyd could also be mentioned.
including whatever space they decide to free up now. Opening up $30M in new space will go quickly.
Draft prospects need to start contributing more, their premium prospects really must take over the immediate future of the team on the football field.
It feels hopeless sometimes. Too many holes in the damn and not enough fingers. We need to draft playerS that walk on the field and other teams have to account for them. In short, playmakers and playwreckers. We don't have any that can stay on the field or that don't give it back with negative plays.
that could potentially be that type of player, it's just damn disheartening not seeing the premium picks really make a consistent impact on the field yet. The 2020 Giants really didn't get good performances from their many of their best players on offense.
The team is still a bit away from sharpshooting UFA to fill key holes to finish a roster. Then, factor in how much you typically are forced to overpay on the open market and it seems caution is warranted.
I could see signing Lawson or Reddick and adding another Edge in the draft, as well as CB and DT to infuse the defense. Not really seeing a ton of WR help on the open market, and the OL is still a ways from being a playoff-type unit.
that could potentially be that type of player, it's just damn disheartening not seeing the premium picks really make a consistent impact on the field yet. The 2020 Giants really didn't get good performances from their many of their best players on offense.
The team is still a bit away from sharpshooting UFA to fill key holes to finish a roster. Then, factor in how much you typically are forced to overpay on the open market and it seems caution is warranted.
I could see signing Lawson or Reddick and adding another Edge in the draft, as well as CB and DT to infuse the defense. Not really seeing a ton of WR help on the open market, and the OL is still a ways from being a playoff-type unit.
I agree.
ROI
Barkley
Not good enough. Has talent in spades but cannot stay on the field. Also, too many negative or zero gain plays.
Will Hernandez
Not good enough, rookie displaced him much of last year.
We have probably 5 major holes
I think 2nd CB and OG may be the most likely to be in FA
Just a bit more reasonable contracts. Usually
We may not fill all the holes this yr
If WR as loaded with talent as some think, I would definitely draft 2 WR in the first 4 rounds. The other two, either Oline, cb , ER or TE
Hopefully sign 1-2 mid tier FA. Does it fill every hole? No!
But if saquon is solid with health and DJ just stops pressing so damn much ( half his issue I believe is he is trying too hard. Love the competitive streak But at times let game come to him)
Real hope is a couple of weapons for DJ ( even a golden Tate type sighting who is a bit younger. Veteran presence).
even thrive as an Ege in Graham’s system. Seems like he’s finally coming into his own and the position change to more of an Edge rusher last year seemed to suit him with 12.5 sacks, 5 of which came against us, but he had 7.5 additional sacks and that’s a good sign.
and that there are ways to create cap space, but how can the Giants be such a bad team for several years running, be so young, and still be low on cap space.
I mean, the Knicks are have been bad for what seems like forever but at least their management made sure to get some cap space.
Yes, the NFL is different from the NBA, contracts aren't guaranteed, the NBA doesn't have "cap casualties" like the NFL does. But still...
You're buying the upside, he's still pretty young, doesn't get hurt and is from Jersey (although South Jersey so he's probably an Eagles fan).
You're buying the upside, he's still pretty young, doesn't get hurt and is from Jersey (although South Jersey so he's probably an Eagles fan).
Unless we can benefit from an amortized LW contract, where would the big dollars come from?
Draft prospects need to start contributing more, their premium prospects really must take over the immediate future of the team on the football field.
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on skillset and value I think Reddick is the pretty clear choice.
You're buying the upside, he's still pretty young, doesn't get hurt and is from Jersey (although South Jersey so he's probably an Eagles fan).
Unless we can benefit from an amortized LW contract, where would the big dollars come from?
Will Reddick necessarily command big dollars? One year of production, and 40% of that came against NYG. They should be able to add 1-2 mid tier signings if Tomlinson walks and I think we could do worse than Reddick. Probably need a mid tier WR too to hedge against forcing a need pick in the draft.
*Just entering his prime
*Versatile: College S, Can play on the LOS, or stacked (key Buck position open on this D, with Carter returning from Achilles and Fackrell UFA)
*From the area
*Productive against the Giants
Reddick is the guy I'd like and I think he'd be a little cheaper than the others. But he'd fill the role Fackrell played and at a higher level.
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on skillset and value I think Reddick is the pretty clear choice.
You're buying the upside, he's still pretty young, doesn't get hurt and is from Jersey (although South Jersey so he's probably an Eagles fan).
Unless we can benefit from an amortized LW contract, where would the big dollars come from?
Will Reddick necessarily command big dollars? One year of production, and 40% of that came against NYG. They should be able to add 1-2 mid tier signings if Tomlinson walks and I think we could do worse than Reddick. Probably need a mid tier WR too to hedge against forcing a need pick in the draft.
Absolutely. Teams are starved for immediate pass rush help. All it takes is one team with loads of space and a need. He fits still given age in a multiple front defense so his value gets a bit enhanced in being able to line up at EDGE, off the ball, can even drop him back on TEs/RBs into coverage. But he's a guy who plays best attacking the line. With LW/DL here, he could put up numbers. His consistency though does scare me given only one year of front to back production.
I don't think we can afford him, or if we do, it absolutely eliminates any possibility of Tomlinson coming back too.
Very good post. Agreed 100%. The delta between the 2, for the contract difference, isn't there.
I think at least 3 of these names are on the All Pro list of Giants opponents.
Seriously, wait for 3 of them to sign and watch the prices drop on whoever is left.
I read Larson was an ideal choice....but do not remember watching him
I am partially in agreement with that. Reddick peaked this past year but over the course of his career so far, he didn't really stand out. Better scheme? Better regimen? Motivated for big money?
I would look more at Lawson who should be cheaper. Barrett is going to be overpaid. Dupree is scary for something not one year incentivized deal. Judon may get an overbearing deal too, similar to Vernon.
Out of those guys listed: Lawson is my choice of preference
https://www.cincyjungle.com/2020/12/2/21755122/bengals-film-room-carl-lawson-andrew-thomas-giants-weekly-lineman-nfl-week-12
Signing Thuney and Davis and drafting Parsons and a CB high in the draft along with resigning LW would be my spending.
I just don't think there's going to value with any of the edge players in FA this year.
Draft prospects need to start contributing more, their premium prospects really must take over the immediate future of the team on the football field.
The team is still a bit away from sharpshooting UFA to fill key holes to finish a roster. Then, factor in how much you typically are forced to overpay on the open market and it seems caution is warranted.
I could see signing Lawson or Reddick and adding another Edge in the draft, as well as CB and DT to infuse the defense. Not really seeing a ton of WR help on the open market, and the OL is still a ways from being a playoff-type unit.
Not only is there a chance to get more young talent, but it's cheap, young talent.
You can't keep filling holes with FA.
The team is still a bit away from sharpshooting UFA to fill key holes to finish a roster. Then, factor in how much you typically are forced to overpay on the open market and it seems caution is warranted.
I could see signing Lawson or Reddick and adding another Edge in the draft, as well as CB and DT to infuse the defense. Not really seeing a ton of WR help on the open market, and the OL is still a ways from being a playoff-type unit.
ROI
Barkley
Not good enough. Has talent in spades but cannot stay on the field. Also, too many negative or zero gain plays.
Will Hernandez
Not good enough, rookie displaced him much of last year.
Daniel Jones
Not Good enough. I need more.
Dexter Lawrence
good but not a star.
Baker
FFS
Thomas
I am still very concerned.
McKinney
Jury is out still.
Not only is there a chance to get more young talent, but it's cheap, young talent.
You can't keep filling holes with FA.
he needs to really hit on 3 picks this year. every hole won't be solved this year. but hitting on 3 picks regardless of position will be a big impact
I think 2nd CB and OG may be the most likely to be in FA
Just a bit more reasonable contracts. Usually
We may not fill all the holes this yr
If WR as loaded with talent as some think, I would definitely draft 2 WR in the first 4 rounds. The other two, either Oline, cb , ER or TE
Hopefully sign 1-2 mid tier FA. Does it fill every hole? No!
But if saquon is solid with health and DJ just stops pressing so damn much ( half his issue I believe is he is trying too hard. Love the competitive streak But at times let game come to him)
Real hope is a couple of weapons for DJ ( even a golden Tate type sighting who is a bit younger. Veteran presence).
I mean, the Knicks are have been bad for what seems like forever but at least their management made sure to get some cap space.
Yes, the NFL is different from the NBA, contracts aren't guaranteed, the NBA doesn't have "cap casualties" like the NFL does. But still...
I would think the Frackler variety.
Also, I would think 3rd down specialist pass rushers of the low cost variety.