NFT: Knicks vs. Spurs

Gibson is Out

Haven't seen a lick of the Spurs this season, but man...17-13. How does Pop do it? That's not a formidable roster by any means & especially in the West.

Taking them to OT last night.
Let's take the next 2 and go to the break 20-17..

Looking forward to watching Vessell I have heard his defense is for real.

Let's go Knicks

That plays harder than Frank on the defensive end. He really does give it his all. It becomes contagious. Not a player I look to move. He can play on anyone’s (in the league) second unit with that effort. (As long as IQ picks up the offense, grin,)

In comment 15164827 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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Haven't seen a lick of the Spurs this season, but man...17-13. How does Pop do it? That's not a formidable roster by any means & especially in the West.

I watched Nets-Spurs last night, or most of it. Spurs took them to OT. They may not be big-name but they're good and Pop has them playing hard as you would expect. Derozan is an all-star level player. Murray is a pretty good PG. And their young C Poeltl (sp?) impressed me as well.

In comment 15164885 Carl in CT said:

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That plays harder than Frank on the defensive end. He really does give it his all. It becomes contagious. Not a player I look to move. He can play on anyone’s (in the league) second unit with that effort. (As long as IQ picks up the offense, grin,)

I agree
That's why it's so weird that Thibs doesn't play him more.
Would seem like a Thibs player.
Hopefully, this opportunity earns him time in the rotation.

In comment 15164936 larryflower37 said:

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In comment 15164885 Carl in CT said: Quote: That plays harder than Frank on the defensive end. He really does give it his all. It becomes contagious. Not a player I look to move. He can play on anyone’s (in the league) second unit with that effort. (As long as IQ picks up the offense, grin,) I agree That's why it's so weird that Thibs doesn't play him more. Would seem like a Thibs player. Hopefully, this opportunity earns him time in the rotation.

Agree 100%.

It's good to see Frank step up given the chance. Wish Knox would do the same.

In comment 15164936 larryflower37 said:

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That's why it's so weird that Thibs doesn't play him more.

It's not weird at all. He's useless on offense and his defense is overrated as hell by his fan club. Good (not great) ball defender, lousy help defender.

was on Kellerman today and was great. Once the audio/vid gets posted I'll post it here. Worth a listen.

In comment 15165090 Existenz said:

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was on Kellerman today and was great. Once the audio/vid gets posted I'll post it here. Worth a listen.

I'm surprised a local TV/radio station hasn't scooped CP up yet - he's a natural. I forgot to listen this afternoon, but I'll check out the podcast later.

LFGK!

he comes back from injury and plays a couple decent games and people think he's somehow part of the future. He isn't. He's not good. We need to stop this.

In comment 15165090 Existenz said:

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was on Kellerman today and was great. Once the audio/vid gets posted I'll post it here. Worth a listen.

Here is the video. I'll give Max this, at least he went out of his way to promote @KnicksFanTv
multiple times. That being said, not really sure why the media insists the fans atone for Dolan. We didn't pick the owner.
Link - ( New Window )

Needs to stay the course with his Frank hate, he is all in and needs to play it out. Can’t admit when he is wrong. There are many just like him. Frank is a very strong defender, plays hard and it becomes infectious with the rest of the team. He makes a few plays every game that help his team win, take a charge, gets a couple of steals. The other night he closed out hard and caused a travel in a tight game against Indiana.

His shooting form is very good. He will become a serviceable offensive player with continued growth each year. He is 22!! It won’t be woth the Knicks but Frank will be in the NBA for a very long time.

In comment 15165017 Greg from LI said:

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In comment 15164936 larryflower37 said: Quote: That's why it's so weird that Thibs doesn't play him more. It's not weird at all. He's useless on offense and his defense is overrated as hell by his fan club. Good (not great) ball defender, lousy help defender.

Wow, you would think he went to Duke with the way that you're judging him but seriously folks, how is Franks a lousy help defender? I don't see help-defense as a weakness as the times I have watched him, he has been a responsible teammate as far as fulfilling his rotation responsibilities off the ball. But perhaps I am missing something

You would think he was a combination of Tony Allen, Pippen and Draymond the way fans discuss his defense.

He is a good on ball defender I won't deny that. He also is very sound fundamentally- moves off the ball and after passing the ball, shares the rock etc. But he has very little if any offensive game.

I hope he can turn in to a serviceable player providing good defense, knocking down 3s. But fans need to be honest about the current state of his game. This is his 4th season in the league...

In comment 15165017 Greg from LI said:

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In comment 15164936 larryflower37 said: Quote: That's why it's so weird that Thibs doesn't play him more. It's not weird at all. He's useless on offense and his defense is overrated as hell by his fan club. Good (not great) ball defender, lousy help defender.

think they cut bait with Knox first chance they get. 3 coaches, zero development. Kenny Payne on the staff... zero development. I could see him swapped for someone else's lottery pick "bust".

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How do you know that? Are you at practice? Again he is 21 and came out of the draft too early. Let’s relax on him being a bust.

He started strong and went into a slump and other guys started playing better so he lost time. Whose minutes is Knox taking? They are clearly giving Toppin time to develop, but he is the only guy he can take minutes from right now. Should we throw in the towel in Toppin?

In comment 15165185 GMEN46 said:

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How do you know that? Are you at practice? Again he is 21 and came out of the draft too early. Let’s relax on him being a bust. He started strong and went into a slump and other guys started playing better so he lost time. Whose minutes is Knox taking? They are clearly giving Toppin time to develop, but he is the only guy he can take minutes from right now. Should we throw in the towel in Toppin?

Am I in practice? Yawn. Such a lazy question. 3 coaches have all decided he's not worthy of a major role. Yeah, if Obi Toppin is in year 3 and he's looking like Kevin Knox, I'd be completely comfortable throwing in the towel (as would the Knicks). Knox sucks, he's done nothing to suggest he's going to be a good NBA player. Enough with this "came out too early". He's in his THIRD NBA season. Players are busts, it happens.

37% from the field (that's because he came out early?) 3 rebounds, 1 assist, .4 blocks, 70% career from the line, career PER 8.5 (this season 8.3) and yeah, if he looked good in practice he would have earned SOME playing time (especially with the injuries) and he never did. He sucks.

of a decent 3 ball, is there a single skill Knox displays as having the upside of being even average? Not passing, not defense, not rebounding. As rabid as Knicks fans are about Frank... NONE of the same defense comes for Kevin Knox.

sound high on Knox...


“The Knicks **continue** to make third-year forward Kevin Knox available, leading to speculation that he too could be involved in a hypothetical [Andre] Dummond trade,” wrote Sam Amico of FortyEightMinutes. “Drummond reportedly would welcome a trade to New York.”

Guess they should hit up practice and see what he's up to.

I took a screenshot for future reference.

Is always great at breaking news. Please share some noteworthy trades he has broken. And if they trade him for drummond which would be a huge mistake whether you like knox or not. I’ve also read multiple reports this year where knicks wouldn’t trade knox, so whose right? come on man your better than that.

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I took a screenshot for future reference.

Great. Please quote me. He sucks. The absolute best case is a 3 point shooter off the bench. Can't crack the rotation minus Robinson despite WWW in the FO and Kenny Payne on the bench. His trade value is likely an expiring deal or a 2nd round pick.

A deal for the 32-year-old Rose probably wouldn’t cost too much in assets. The Knicks have three lottery picks out of the rotation who are available — Kevin Knox, Frank Ntilikina and Dennis Smith Jr. — according to sources. Knox, however, probably wouldn’t be dealt for Rose. The Knicks also have the 2021 first-round pick they got from the Mavericks in the Kristaps Porzingis trade, but probably would be hesitant to deal that one because it could turn into a lottery pick.

Looks like knox wasn’t available in rose trade

there a single person on here who shares his views on Kevin Knox? He's a bad player. He's 3 training camps into his career. He's with an excellent staff and he can't even get burn. He's shown ZERO development in any way. Better 3 point %, absolutely nothing else. I don't even see the more optimistic of Knicks fans on here even pretending to talk up Knox. He's not a good player. Busts happen, he's one.

In comment 15165193 DanMetroMan said:

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of a decent 3 ball, is there a single skill Knox displays as having the upside of being even average? Not passing, not defense, not rebounding. As rabid as Knicks fans are about Frank... NONE of the same defense comes for Kevin Knox.

I'll defend him. I mean literally, I can defend him on the court as long as I don't have to go through too many screens.

:-)


And Greg, what did we tell you? - ( New Window )

sucks. That's not really a debate. he's out of the rotation for a reason.

Frank can be a valuable player but he'll never sniff starting minutes as long as he doesn't bring anything to the table offensively. He's a fine bench swiss army knife defensive stopper and I have no problem with him getting 15-20 mpg.

But Knox will be traded soon and that's fine.

Or Woj or shams are reporting it officially it’s meaningless, these guys know nothing

In comment 15165216 GMEN46 said:

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A deal for the 32-year-old Rose probably wouldn’t cost too much in assets. The Knicks have three lottery picks out of the rotation who are available — Kevin Knox, Frank Ntilikina and Dennis Smith Jr. — according to sources. Knox, however, probably wouldn’t be dealt for Rose. The Knicks also have the 2021 first-round pick they got from the Mavericks in the Kristaps Porzingis trade, but probably would be hesitant to deal that one because it could turn into a lottery pick. Looks like knox wasn’t available in rose trade

And that proves they aren't shopping Knox? yikes. That's some leap. They got back... Dennis Smith Jr's contract and a 2nd round pick lol.

In comment 15165202 DanMetroMan said:

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sound high on Knox... “The Knicks **continue** to make third-year forward Kevin Knox available, leading to speculation that he too could be involved in a hypothetical [Andre] Dummond trade,” wrote Sam Amico of FortyEightMinutes. “Drummond reportedly would welcome a trade to New York.” Guess they should hit up practice and see what he's up to.

Knox for Mo Bamba. Who says no?

In comment 15165224 Anakim said:

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In comment 15165202 DanMetroMan said: Quote: sound high on Knox... “The Knicks **continue** to make third-year forward Kevin Knox available, leading to speculation that he too could be involved in a hypothetical [Andre] Dummond trade,” wrote Sam Amico of FortyEightMinutes. “Drummond reportedly would welcome a trade to New York.” Guess they should hit up practice and see what he's up to. Knox for Mo Bamba. Who says no?

Good question. Looks like the Magic don't think Bamba can play the 4 as they have players like Birch/Aminu playing over him and they obviously are set at center. That's the kind of deal I expect the Knicks to make (and hope it's something of that nature) vs. a pure veteran ala another Rose deal. Bamba does have the best d rating on the Magic roster so he does have that going for him. I'd be lying if I claimed I watched much of the Magic this season.

retiring Harden's #13

In comment 15165224 Anakim said:

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In comment 15165202 DanMetroMan said: Quote: sound high on Knox... “The Knicks **continue** to make third-year forward Kevin Knox available, leading to speculation that he too could be involved in a hypothetical [Andre] Dummond trade,” wrote Sam Amico of FortyEightMinutes. “Drummond reportedly would welcome a trade to New York.” Guess they should hit up practice and see what he's up to. Knox for Mo Bamba. Who says no?

The Knicks? I don't think they make that trade.

absolutely trade for Bamba. Noel is a free agent this offseason and probably has played his way into a bigger deal.

In comment 15165224 Anakim said:

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In comment 15165202 DanMetroMan said: Quote: sound high on Knox... “The Knicks **continue** to make third-year forward Kevin Knox available, leading to speculation that he too could be involved in a hypothetical [Andre] Dummond trade,” wrote Sam Amico of FortyEightMinutes. “Drummond reportedly would welcome a trade to New York.” Guess they should hit up practice and see what he's up to. Knox for Mo Bamba. Who says no?

Giannis Antetokounmpo says no - ( New Window )

The NBA's board of governors is expected to approve two significant changes to the rules governing two-way contracts next week, sources told ESPN: allowing players on them to be active for more than 50 games and allowing them to be eligible for the playoffs.

I didn’t know you worked for the Knicks, can you tell us the date when knox will be traded. I will see if Fanduel will give me some odds

of use for him. That said he is going to be a throw in for a bigger deal at some point if i had to guess. Nobody is giving us anything. I dont care how old the guy is when he is in his third season. He doesnt have to be tearing the league up, but he has to have shown some improvement, knox looks the same if not worse then when he came into the league. Frank at least shows small spurts of usefulness.

playing on a back to back after an OT game. This is a game we need to win. I mean its the spurs and Pop so it wont be easy but no Aldridge, Gay, Vassel, or white and possibly Keldon Johnson. LFGK!

to release the KNOX

even if he had improved a decent amount, I don't know if he'd be playing much. RJ/Mitch are the only young guys getting real minutes. There's so many vets on this team and Thibs is gonna ride them as long as he can. Quickley's strengths as a player just so happen to be exactly what this team needs to the most - and even he can't get more than 20 mins a game. Since Elf got hurt IQ has been playing even LESS!

Knox should be in the G-league.

In comment 15165229 DanMetroMan said:

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retiring Harden's #13

Is that a joke? I could see that when he retires/enough time has passed to cool off how he left, but now? Odd timing.

Love to see IQ get more minutes.

GO KNICKS!!!!

earlier. I guess Thibs & Doc are super close so Rivers being benched for Rose might make things awkward for those two.

He has played sloppy at times and he gets pulled. Yes, he should get more minutes but he also needs to earn it. Thibs seems to pull him after bad plays.

In comment 15165294 robbieballs2003 said:

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He has played sloppy at times and he gets pulled. Yes, he should get more minutes but he also needs to earn it. Thibs seems to pull him after bad plays.

He is definitely on a short leash plus he is the type that will try and shoot himself out of a slump.
Thibs has handled him well.
If he is going Thibs rides him but if he is 1-6 he is done.
Quickley is a scorer first and is okay at everything else right now.