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Paye vs. Rousseau

Angel Eyes : 3/3/2021 8:42 am
Say if the Giants decide to go edge rusher in the first round, which one of these two guys would you prefer? I personally think it’s important to address the edge rush for the Giants if the DTs (defensive tackles, not Dalvin Tomlinson) can’t do the job of putting pressure on the quarterback, but I’m personally up in the air between the two of these guys, who both sound like they could be 4-3 end or 3-4 rushbacker.
NFL Draft Roundtable: Kwity Paye vs Gregory Rousseau - ( New Window )
Personally, I prefer Paye, but I think both  
Section331 : 3/3/2021 8:46 am : link
players have too many question marks to take a chance at with the 11th pick. Go CB, WR or OL if those are the best 2 ER's left.
Paye reminds me a lot of Justin Tuck.  
barens : 3/3/2021 8:46 am : link
Consistent, dependable, disengages from blocks really well. He doesn't have an elite first step, but he consistently finds his way to the QB.
i don't care for any edge player in this draft  
GiantsFan84 : 3/3/2021 9:06 am : link
there will be better players at other positions of need. i'm concerned that they will absolutely reach for an edge player when they are not the best value
RE: Paye reminds me a lot of Justin Tuck.  
Ivan15 : 3/3/2021 9:07 am : link
In comment 15165560 barens said:
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Consistent, dependable, disengages from blocks really well. He doesn't have an elite first step, but he consistently finds his way to the QB.


I agree with the Paye=Tuck comparison. Rousseau may be closer to Clowney than J.J. Watt. Both are more suited to be 4-3 DEs. I don’t think either one should be picked in the top half of Round 1. Now if the Giants trade down to 20-25 because they don’t like the O-line or WR prospects at 11, I could see picking one of these players after getting one or more added draft picks.
Give me Rousseau on his AA  
UberAlias : 3/3/2021 9:12 am : link
Guy is going to be a force. Yes, sample size is small. But for some guys you don't need to see a ton to know a they have it.
Paye is a downhill player  
JonC : 3/3/2021 9:47 am : link
probably best suited as 4-3 DE, questions regarding his NFL ceiling as a pass rusher. Rousseau is more athletic, mobile, multiple, super long, can move around and play downhill and laterally. The latter may have a larger bust factor, and the sample size is small. The former looks like a 4-front player to me.
I’ll  
Straw Hat : 3/3/2021 10:12 am : link
Take the guy who actually gets sacks. Paye aint it.
I couldn’t have less interest in Paye...  
bw in dc : 3/3/2021 10:29 am : link
He and Oweh (and I’m a Penn State fan) are the most overrated first round prospects in this draft.
RE: I couldn’t have less interest in Paye...  
Thegratefulhead : 3/3/2021 11:27 am : link
In comment 15165667 bw in dc said:
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He and Oweh (and I’m a Penn State fan) are the most overrated first round prospects in this draft.
Same. People say Rousseau has high bust potential. I actually think his floor is high. This is an ascending player. He will get better. This a possible lead league in sacks type of talent.
RE: RE: I couldn’t have less interest in Paye...  
bw in dc : 3/3/2021 11:43 am : link
In comment 15165731 Thegratefulhead said:
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He and Oweh (and I’m a Penn State fan) are the most overrated first round prospects in this draft.

Same. People say Rousseau has high bust potential. I actually think his floor is high. This is an ascending player. He will get better. This a possible lead league in sacks type of talent.


I can live with Rousseau, too. At least when he played for Miami there was some very good production and he closed from various positions (which I liked).

Don't like the year off, but his athleticism and that production are intriguing.

"Mr. Almost" Paye does nothing for me. As a second rounder? Sure. That makes more sense...

Jaelan Phillips looks better than both of them  
aGiantGuy : 3/3/2021 12:44 pm : link
On tape. He’s the guy we have to do our research one imo
Rosseau does not look explosive....  
giant_thoughts : 3/3/2021 12:54 pm : link
Looks slow as hell off the line... Don't take my word for it watch the tape. Paye is MUCH more explosive!!!
RE: Jaelan Phillips looks better than both of them  
chopperhatch : 3/3/2021 1:13 pm : link
In comment 15165801 aGiantGuy said:
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On tape. He’s the guy we have to do our research one imo


The more I read about Phillips, the more I want him. He seems to be truly versatile and the more polished defenesive end at both in both defending the run and the pass rush. Am starting to really like him with our 1st pick.
RE: Paye is a downhill player  
AcidTest : 3/3/2021 1:20 pm : link
In comment 15165618 JonC said:
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probably best suited as 4-3 DE, questions regarding his NFL ceiling as a pass rusher. Rousseau is more athletic, mobile, multiple, super long, can move around and play downhill and laterally. The latter may have a larger bust factor, and the sample size is small. The former looks like a 4-front player to me.


Agreed. No interest in either at #11. Rousseau also opted out, and I am souring on the idea of taking a player who did so at #11. That includes Farley, who also tore his ACL in 2017, had back surgery in 2019, and didn't start playing CB until he was in college. I don't blame players for opting out, but it's preclusive at #11 IMO.

No interest in Jaelen Phillips either because of his concussion history.
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SomeFan : 3/3/2021 1:27 pm : link
Doesn’t like either guy especially Paye for similar reasons others have mentioned.
Neither - ( New Window )
If Rousseau had played  
Chris L. : 3/3/2021 1:37 pm : link
this past year we wouldn't even have a shot to get him. He would be GREAT value at 11.
RE: RE: Jaelan Phillips looks better than both of them  
barens : 3/3/2021 1:38 pm : link
In comment 15165819 chopperhatch said:
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On tape. He’s the guy we have to do our research one imo



The more I read about Phillips, the more I want him. He seems to be truly versatile and the more polished defenesive end at both in both defending the run and the pass rush. Am starting to really like him with our 1st pick.


Phillips has a huge bust factor, he did quit football after his freshman year. Gotta make sure his head is right.
RE: RE: Paye is a downhill player  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/3/2021 1:40 pm : link
In comment 15165825 AcidTest said:
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I don't blame players for opting out, but it's preclusive at #11 IMO.



Curious as to why. Seems like you understand why they would have opted out given the circumstances, so why would that affect the value of the player?
Kwity vs Rousseau  
Hawkman : 3/3/2021 2:42 pm : link
As I have mentioned previously I am close to Kwity so am a big supporter of his , I don’t know much about Rousseau, I’m anxious to see what Sy’s evaluation of both is

I am a NY Giants fan for many many years and I want the best pick for us....Kwity will land on his feet and be a fine player and teammate for whoever picks him....he is a terrific player with impeccable character and work ethic and I suspect he will Rock the Big House in Ann Arbor with his Pro Day on 3/26
RE: RE: RE: Jaelan Phillips looks better than both of them  
aGiantGuy : 3/3/2021 2:43 pm : link
In comment 15165843 barens said:
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On tape. He’s the guy we have to do our research one imo



The more I read about Phillips, the more I want him. He seems to be truly versatile and the more polished defenesive end at both in both defending the run and the pass rush. Am starting to really like him with our 1st pick.



Phillips has a huge bust factor, he did quit football after his freshman year. Gotta make sure his head is right.


Granted he does, but his bust potential has to do with his long term health.

It has nothing to do with if he will be able to get by without much of a pass rush plan, if he is strong enough to anchor the edge, if his stats were inflated, will he be able to increase his production to match his athleticism, if he looks like Tarzan but plays like Jane.

All of those, to me imply risk in an edge prospect but he doesn’t come with those flaws.

If he had other question marks to his game, I’d be against it, but Antoine Winfield just won a Super Bowl ring, Mekhi Becton just led all tackles in pro bowl voting, and Ryan Ramczyck is an all-pro that has missed one game in the last 4 years.The Medicals would have to check out but he should absolutely be in the conversation at 11.
RE: Rosseau does not look explosive....  
allstarjim : 3/3/2021 2:49 pm : link
In comment 15165805 giant_thoughts said:
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Looks slow as hell off the line... Don't take my word for it watch the tape. Paye is MUCH more explosive!!!


This is what I see as well. I don't think Rousseau is a premium prospect, and I think Paye is much more NFL ready.

That said, JonC is probably right in that Paye profiles more as a 4-3 end. I like him a lot, and if the concerns about him as a 3-4 stand up Edge are alleviated, I would have no problem taking him, as I think he'll be an impact defender early if he fits the system.

I wouldn't touch Rousseau before the 20's. I'd prioritize Parsons, WR, or Surtain before him, probably even Farley.
Slow?  
UberAlias : 3/3/2021 3:53 pm : link
Not my impression
As a Hurricane fan Phillips is pretty good  
bronxgiant : 3/3/2021 5:45 pm : link
but comes with prior injury issues. He had a great year but GR15 only became a starter midway through his Soph. season and was not even recruited as a DL. He was Athlete at 6-5 and 205 lbs playing WR. Youth just grew and maintained his athletic ability. Coach Diaz fought cane fans over playing him more until he had not choice but to put him on the field more because he was creating havoc in the backfield each week. Pretty sure he would have had more sacks than Young if Diaz had let him go.

When I see his progress I see an Anthony Davis type player who is just now getting comfortable in his body. Last year at 6-7 and 260. Pretty sure he will be bigger when see again.
RE: RE: RE: Paye is a downhill player  
AcidTest : 3/3/2021 6:11 pm : link
In comment 15165845 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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I don't blame players for opting out, but it's preclusive at #11 IMO.





Curious as to why. Seems like you understand why they would have opted out given the circumstances, so why would that affect the value of the player?


They've been away from the game for over a year, and in some cases don't have enough tape. I want the cleanest player possible at #11. I'd make an exception for Chase because he has already performed at a high level for a long time.
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