Say if the Giants decide to go edge rusher in the first round, which one of these two guys would you prefer? I personally think it’s important to address the edge rush for the Giants if the DTs (defensive tackles, not Dalvin Tomlinson) can’t do the job of putting pressure on the quarterback, but I’m personally up in the air between the two of these guys, who both sound like they could be 4-3 end or 3-4 rushbacker.
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I agree with the Paye=Tuck comparison. Rousseau may be closer to Clowney than J.J. Watt. Both are more suited to be 4-3 DEs. I don’t think either one should be picked in the top half of Round 1. Now if the Giants trade down to 20-25 because they don’t like the O-line or WR prospects at 11, I could see picking one of these players after getting one or more added draft picks.
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He and Oweh (and I’m a Penn State fan) are the most overrated first round prospects in this draft.
Same. People say Rousseau has high bust potential. I actually think his floor is high. This is an ascending player. He will get better. This a possible lead league in sacks type of talent.
I can live with Rousseau, too. At least when he played for Miami there was some very good production and he closed from various positions (which I liked).
Don't like the year off, but his athleticism and that production are intriguing.
"Mr. Almost" Paye does nothing for me. As a second rounder? Sure. That makes more sense...
The more I read about Phillips, the more I want him. He seems to be truly versatile and the more polished defenesive end at both in both defending the run and the pass rush. Am starting to really like him with our 1st pick.
Agreed. No interest in either at #11. Rousseau also opted out, and I am souring on the idea of taking a player who did so at #11. That includes Farley, who also tore his ACL in 2017, had back surgery in 2019, and didn't start playing CB until he was in college. I don't blame players for opting out, but it's preclusive at #11 IMO.
No interest in Jaelen Phillips either because of his concussion history.
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On tape. He’s the guy we have to do our research one imo
The more I read about Phillips, the more I want him. He seems to be truly versatile and the more polished defenesive end at both in both defending the run and the pass rush. Am starting to really like him with our 1st pick.
Phillips has a huge bust factor, he did quit football after his freshman year. Gotta make sure his head is right.
Curious as to why. Seems like you understand why they would have opted out given the circumstances, so why would that affect the value of the player?
I am a NY Giants fan for many many years and I want the best pick for us....Kwity will land on his feet and be a fine player and teammate for whoever picks him....he is a terrific player with impeccable character and work ethic and I suspect he will Rock the Big House in Ann Arbor with his Pro Day on 3/26
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On tape. He’s the guy we have to do our research one imo
The more I read about Phillips, the more I want him. He seems to be truly versatile and the more polished defenesive end at both in both defending the run and the pass rush. Am starting to really like him with our 1st pick.
Phillips has a huge bust factor, he did quit football after his freshman year. Gotta make sure his head is right.
Granted he does, but his bust potential has to do with his long term health.
It has nothing to do with if he will be able to get by without much of a pass rush plan, if he is strong enough to anchor the edge, if his stats were inflated, will he be able to increase his production to match his athleticism, if he looks like Tarzan but plays like Jane.
All of those, to me imply risk in an edge prospect but he doesn’t come with those flaws.
If he had other question marks to his game, I’d be against it, but Antoine Winfield just won a Super Bowl ring, Mekhi Becton just led all tackles in pro bowl voting, and Ryan Ramczyck is an all-pro that has missed one game in the last 4 years.The Medicals would have to check out but he should absolutely be in the conversation at 11.
This is what I see as well. I don't think Rousseau is a premium prospect, and I think Paye is much more NFL ready.
That said, JonC is probably right in that Paye profiles more as a 4-3 end. I like him a lot, and if the concerns about him as a 3-4 stand up Edge are alleviated, I would have no problem taking him, as I think he'll be an impact defender early if he fits the system.
I wouldn't touch Rousseau before the 20's. I'd prioritize Parsons, WR, or Surtain before him, probably even Farley.
When I see his progress I see an Anthony Davis type player who is just now getting comfortable in his body. Last year at 6-7 and 260. Pretty sure he will be bigger when see again.
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I don't blame players for opting out, but it's preclusive at #11 IMO.
Curious as to why. Seems like you understand why they would have opted out given the circumstances, so why would that affect the value of the player?
They've been away from the game for over a year, and in some cases don't have enough tape. I want the cleanest player possible at #11. I'd make an exception for Chase because he has already performed at a high level for a long time.