For me there are a couple of highly touted guys that scare me for the Gmen:
1) Devonta Smith WR- his slight build, our current passing scheme (lots of crosses, lots of 5-10 yard routes) would open him up to some big hits.
2) Gregory Rousseua DL/Edge- the dude is a physical freak but man is he lacking instincts and is VERY mechanical. I don't see the natural football player, I see a guy who has athleticism but may never be a top guy. He also LACKS experience which leaves open a bigger bust factor.
Are there any players/prospects you feel are highly touted that just scare you as a Giants pick?
in Round One.
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Jaelen Phillips - That injury history
Jaylen Waddle - People talk about DeVonta Smith's build, but I am more concerned about Waddle. I question whether he can hold up as an outside WR at the NFL level and we really need an outside guy not someone who does his best work from the slot
Caleb Farley - Would have preferred if he had played in 2020 because we have seen guys like Jayron Holsey look like a future first rounder the year before their draft year, regress their draft year, and then do nothing in the NFL. I would like to have seen how teams play Farley when they have more film on him. This stands in contrast to Patrick Surtain II who faced better competition in the SEC and had a lot of tape for other coaches to try and exploit weakness and still was a lockdown CB.
I don't completely agree as we do drag the slot guy across the face of the LOS within 5/7 yards but, not like a lot of other teams. BUT, we run a LOT of 10 yard routes that the receiver is either inside- turning out, outside curl or inside quick SLANT and he will get killed that way.
While on the edge position, Jaelan Phillips concussion history scares the piss outta me too.
and most of his sacks are from the inside instead of off the edge...
D Smith (skinny/slight build)
Rousseau (instincts, sat out a year, right?)
Parsons (sat out a year, dedication to football?)
Paye (more of a 4-3 player?)
Sewell (sat out a year, dedication to football?)
Pitts (blocking skills, separation)
Surtain (fast enough to be top NFL corner?)
Chase seems to have the least concerns to me, but he'll very, very likely be gone by #11.
I'm not sure of any major downsides to Farley.
Look at the history of 1st round TEs - it's not good.
And I don't want to hear - he's a WR, he's a Mike Evans type.
If that's true - his agent is doing him a complete diservice. Why would anyone want to market their TE instead of a WR?
Doesn't SCARE me but worries me.
Also worried about the players who opted out, including Parsons, just because they're a big unknown. And the guys with injury concerns, like Jaylen Waddle, Jaelen Phillips, Rondale Moore, Tutu Atwell. Those four guys alone have a ton of talent if they can stay on the field, but can you take them early? Ugh.
NFL. Com Mock Draft - ( New Window )
3 - Pitts
4 - Pitts
in Round One.
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This!
We need bigger guys to help block the outside for SB. I said this when Tate signed but SS and Tate and Engram are a terrible match for a team that wanted to establish a power running game. The OL gets talked about a lot but this was important too.
That being said, if we changed our offense a lot i'd love someone like Waddle. I just don't think we would. Would be great to see lots of misdirection and screens, QB runs. He could really do well in an offense like that but I don't think we will get there so he is a MAJOR pass for me.
Thomas: Wirfs (albeit RT) and Becton raise doubts
McKinney: Winfield, drafted 10 slots later pretty clearly a better pick, quick study, our guy here liked him better
Jones jury still out?
Baker: a joke all around, Murphy, Ya-Sin, Williams better and way later
Barkley: maybe the best RB but an abuse of a #2 overall pick
Hernandez: ???wtf Parker and Okorofor (Ts) went in 3rd. Hernandez displaced by a 5th
2019 it was Haskins. Last year it was Simmons.
There isn't anyone I feel as strongly negative about as those two, from a "value at pick" perspective, but I do have doubts about Pitts and Waddle.
Pitts because he doesn't look that fast and didn't test fast coming out of high school. And because his long frame can make him a target over the middle. He took a brutal hit on the concussion that caused him to miss a game this year.
With Waddle, it's the size and the way he was overpowered on the play where the Tennessee defender broke his ankle.
As for Rousseau, I can absolutely understand skepticism about whether he has elite NFL ability but I don't get the criticism of his instincts.
He showed up the U as an under-the-radar recruit who had played very little front seven in HS and had nine sacks in three spring practice games.
Before he had played his first game as a true freshman, reporters were asking him: "Did you think you would be this great?"
If there is one thing Rousseau has, it's instincts. Question is how far those will take him in the NFL.
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the Giants regime at the moment really doesn't draft optimally. To me they target for need early. Maybe they get the best player available at specific positions, but not necessarily the best players to build around. Maybe they feel jobs are on the line much sooner these days and there's no time to waste, but their first three years under DG ... I'm unimpressed so far.
Agree that in spades. And it's worse than that: they (DG) don't get BPA at specific positions either:
Thomas: Wirfs (albeit RT) and Becton raise doubts
McKinney: Winfield, drafted 10 slots later pretty clearly a better pick, quick study, our guy here liked him better
Jones jury still out?
Baker: a joke all around, Murphy, Ya-Sin, Williams better and way later
Barkley: maybe the best RB but an abuse of a #2 overall pick
Hernandez: ???wtf Parker and Okorofor (Ts) went in 3rd. Hernandez displaced by a 5th
Disagree on first two. Becton can’t stay healthy. Wirfs played RT with the GOAT QB. Look at Nate Solder after he left New England.
McKinney when healthy looked as good as Winfield did for Tampa. His injury wasn’t one that is likely to be repetitive unlike Becton’s.
Farley- idk, just don’t feel that great about him. Think he is more Dee Milliner than he is Jalen Ramsey. His knees have a bad history as well. 23 year old prospect who had 1 year of good tape.
Parsons 1 Friermuth 2 would be my 1st choice. And no, I have nothing to do with PSU.