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2021 Draft Prospects that SCARE you as a Giants Choice!

jvm52106 : 3/3/2021 8:53 am
For me there are a couple of highly touted guys that scare me for the Gmen:

1) Devonta Smith WR- his slight build, our current passing scheme (lots of crosses, lots of 5-10 yard routes) would open him up to some big hits.

2) Gregory Rousseua DL/Edge- the dude is a physical freak but man is he lacking instincts and is VERY mechanical. I don't see the natural football player, I see a guy who has athleticism but may never be a top guy. He also LACKS experience which leaves open a bigger bust factor.

Are there any players/prospects you feel are highly touted that just scare you as a Giants pick?
Any one we select  
M.S. : 3/3/2021 9:07 am : link

in Round One.

(:-(
Paye and Rousseau  
KDavies : 3/3/2021 9:11 am : link
not sold on either that early. If they pick either, I hope I am wrong. I would prefer CB, Parsons, WR/Pitts, or OL
Just off the top of my head..  
TrustTheProcess : 3/3/2021 9:21 am : link
Pitts
Our current passing scheme has very few crossing routes  
jlukes : 3/3/2021 9:31 am : link
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Some that scare me  
Mike in NY : 3/3/2021 9:37 am : link
Kwity Paye - Was not as productive as you would expect for someone talked about in Top 15

Jaelen Phillips - That injury history

Jaylen Waddle - People talk about DeVonta Smith's build, but I am more concerned about Waddle. I question whether he can hold up as an outside WR at the NFL level and we really need an outside guy not someone who does his best work from the slot

Caleb Farley - Would have preferred if he had played in 2020 because we have seen guys like Jayron Holsey look like a future first rounder the year before their draft year, regress their draft year, and then do nothing in the NFL. I would like to have seen how teams play Farley when they have more film on him. This stands in contrast to Patrick Surtain II who faced better competition in the SEC and had a lot of tape for other coaches to try and exploit weakness and still was a lockdown CB.




All of them  
George from PA : 3/3/2021 9:53 am : link
Giants can not afford to miss....and all have inherent risk
RE: Our current passing scheme has very few crossing routes  
jvm52106 : 3/3/2021 9:55 am : link
In comment 15165599 jlukes said:
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I don't completely agree as we do drag the slot guy across the face of the LOS within 5/7 yards but, not like a lot of other teams. BUT, we run a LOT of 10 yard routes that the receiver is either inside- turning out, outside curl or inside quick SLANT and he will get killed that way.
Kwity  
Straw Hat : 3/3/2021 10:05 am : link
Paye.
the WRs and Edges (big boom or bust imo)  
JonC : 3/3/2021 10:06 am : link
and wouldn't pick an OL at #11.
When it comes to the WRs, I'm a bit nervous.  
Angel Eyes : 3/3/2021 10:16 am : link
We need a big, tough WR who can out-muscle CBs, like a Randy Moss, Calvin Johnson-type of guy. The top prospects sound like the small and fragile type, and we have quite a few on the roster already.
Right with you re Rosseau, not high enough on him at all  
BelieveJJ : 3/3/2021 10:20 am : link
for the 11 slot.

While on the edge position, Jaelan Phillips concussion history scares the piss outta me too.
Actually  
Bones : 3/3/2021 10:25 am : link
Rousseau and Smith are my two favorites. Waddle scares me. He’s short and injured, and I’m not convinced the Giants would know how to use him correctly.
Rousseau  
TommyWiseau : 3/3/2021 10:32 am : link
Paye and Farley
Paye  
Thegratefulhead : 3/3/2021 10:51 am : link
Not seeing it.
Rousseau  
tyrik13 : 3/3/2021 10:54 am : link
Because of how raw he is and his one year of actual production.
RE: Rousseau  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 3/3/2021 11:12 am : link
In comment 15165693 tyrik13 said:
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Because of how raw he is and his one year of actual production.


and most of his sacks are from the inside instead of off the edge...
WRs outside of Chase due to lack of size on both, injury on Waddle  
Victor in CT : 3/3/2021 11:20 am : link
Edge guys risk of bust is high, wouldn't go there that high.
Waddle  
UConn4523 : 3/3/2021 11:27 am : link
his size concerns me since he’s likely only going to be effective for however long he’s able to keep his elite speed/quickness. 1 injury already and the track record as a whole for this skill set gives me pause.
no one really scares me  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 3/3/2021 11:36 am : link
our pick falls in a good spot imo. But out of the guys in our range, I like Paye the least at the moment. He's just a hard prospect to get a feel on imo, especially since people are going to fall in love with his pro day results. I don't like how he's considered a "high floor/safe" prospect when his college performance wasn't even that good, and I have concerns about his fit in Graham's D.
A Lot Of Them  
Trainmaster : 3/3/2021 11:38 am : link
Waddle (recovery from injury, size)
D Smith (skinny/slight build)
Rousseau (instincts, sat out a year, right?)
Parsons (sat out a year, dedication to football?)
Paye (more of a 4-3 player?)
Sewell (sat out a year, dedication to football?)
Pitts (blocking skills, separation)
Surtain (fast enough to be top NFL corner?)

Chase seems to have the least concerns to me, but he'll very, very likely be gone by #11.

I'm not sure of any major downsides to Farley.

So JonC, I'm assuming  
Dave on the UWS : 3/3/2021 12:27 pm : link
you would rather the corners or Parsons at 11? I could live with that. BPA!!
Dave  
JonC : 3/3/2021 12:58 pm : link
Yep. I do like Smith and Rousseau a great deal. Smith's skinny frame scares me, Rousseau is a big swing for the fences. I could live with picking one of them.
I'm resigned to the fact  
JonC : 3/3/2021 1:05 pm : link
the Giants regime at the moment really doesn't draft optimally. To me they target for need early. Maybe they get the best player available at specific positions, but not necessarily the best players to build around. Maybe they feel jobs are on the line much sooner these days and there's no time to waste, but their first three years under DG ... I'm unimpressed so far.
Kyle PItts  
Dnew15 : 3/3/2021 1:20 pm : link
no doubt.

Look at the history of 1st round TEs - it's not good.

And I don't want to hear - he's a WR, he's a Mike Evans type.

If that's true - his agent is doing him a complete diservice. Why would anyone want to market their TE instead of a WR?
RE: Just off the top of my head..  
81_Great_Dane : 3/3/2021 1:46 pm : link
In comment 15165588 TrustTheProcess said:
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Pitts
I kind of agree about Pitts. Good news: He can play TE or line up outside. Versatile. Creates matchup problems. Bad news: Maybe sort of a tweener who has no real position, and isn't really excellent at either spot.

Doesn't SCARE me but worries me.

Also worried about the players who opted out, including Parsons, just because they're a big unknown. And the guys with injury concerns, like Jaylen Waddle, Jaelen Phillips, Rondale Moore, Tutu Atwell. Those four guys alone have a ton of talent if they can stay on the field, but can you take them early? Ugh.
On DeVonta Smith at #11.  
TC : 3/3/2021 2:13 pm : link
"Smith is my WR2 because his consistent route running and ability to earn separation give him the highest projected floor and ceiling in this class. The Heisman Trophy winner had the highest percentage of receptions in which he had more than 3 feet of separation at the time of the catch despite a defender being within 3 feet of him on the path of the route. This vision carries over into yards after the catch; his ability to increase his speed once he had the ball in his hands was the third-best in the FBS this season."

NFL. Com Mock Draft - ( New Window )
1 - Pitts  
Doubledeuce22 : 3/3/2021 2:22 pm : link
2 - Pitts
3 - Pitts
4 - Pitts
RE: Any one we select  
Grey Pilgrim : 3/3/2021 2:29 pm : link
In comment 15165577 M.S. said:
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in Round One.

(:-(


This!
Waddle  
NoGainDayne : 3/3/2021 3:36 pm : link
he's boom or bust in a good landing spot. And we are a bad landing spot for him.

We need bigger guys to help block the outside for SB. I said this when Tate signed but SS and Tate and Engram are a terrible match for a team that wanted to establish a power running game. The OL gets talked about a lot but this was important too.

That being said, if we changed our offense a lot i'd love someone like Waddle. I just don't think we would. Would be great to see lots of misdirection and screens, QB runs. He could really do well in an offense like that but I don't think we will get there so he is a MAJOR pass for me.
RE: I'm resigned to the fact  
ColHowPepper : 3/3/2021 5:30 pm : link
In comment 15165814 JonC said:
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the Giants regime at the moment really doesn't draft optimally. To me they target for need early. Maybe they get the best player available at specific positions, but not necessarily the best players to build around. Maybe they feel jobs are on the line much sooner these days and there's no time to waste, but their first three years under DG ... I'm unimpressed so far.
Agree that in spades. And it's worse than that: they (DG) don't get BPA at specific positions either:
Thomas: Wirfs (albeit RT) and Becton raise doubts
McKinney: Winfield, drafted 10 slots later pretty clearly a better pick, quick study, our guy here liked him better
Jones jury still out?
Baker: a joke all around, Murphy, Ya-Sin, Williams better and way later
Barkley: maybe the best RB but an abuse of a #2 overall pick
Hernandez: ???wtf Parker and Okorofor (Ts) went in 3rd. Hernandez displaced by a 5th
Funny...  
Milton : 3/3/2021 6:43 pm : link
I think Pitts is the surest thing in the draft. Parsons is the guy who makes me most nervous. And I worry about durability with Smith and Waddle.
I usually only go negative on maybe one player  
shyster : 3/3/2021 7:38 pm : link
a year, two at most.

2019 it was Haskins. Last year it was Simmons.

There isn't anyone I feel as strongly negative about as those two, from a "value at pick" perspective, but I do have doubts about Pitts and Waddle.

Pitts because he doesn't look that fast and didn't test fast coming out of high school. And because his long frame can make him a target over the middle. He took a brutal hit on the concussion that caused him to miss a game this year.

With Waddle, it's the size and the way he was overpowered on the play where the Tennessee defender broke his ankle.

As for Rousseau, I can absolutely understand skepticism about whether he has elite NFL ability but I don't get the criticism of his instincts.

He showed up the U as an under-the-radar recruit who had played very little front seven in HS and had nine sacks in three spring practice games.

Before he had played his first game as a true freshman, reporters were asking him: "Did you think you would be this great?"

If there is one thing Rousseau has, it's instincts. Question is how far those will take him in the NFL.
RE: RE: I'm resigned to the fact  
Mike in NY : 3/3/2021 7:48 pm : link
In comment 15166061 ColHowPepper said:
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In comment 15165814 JonC said:


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the Giants regime at the moment really doesn't draft optimally. To me they target for need early. Maybe they get the best player available at specific positions, but not necessarily the best players to build around. Maybe they feel jobs are on the line much sooner these days and there's no time to waste, but their first three years under DG ... I'm unimpressed so far.

Agree that in spades. And it's worse than that: they (DG) don't get BPA at specific positions either:
Thomas: Wirfs (albeit RT) and Becton raise doubts
McKinney: Winfield, drafted 10 slots later pretty clearly a better pick, quick study, our guy here liked him better
Jones jury still out?
Baker: a joke all around, Murphy, Ya-Sin, Williams better and way later
Barkley: maybe the best RB but an abuse of a #2 overall pick
Hernandez: ???wtf Parker and Okorofor (Ts) went in 3rd. Hernandez displaced by a 5th


Disagree on first two. Becton can’t stay healthy. Wirfs played RT with the GOAT QB. Look at Nate Solder after he left New England.

McKinney when healthy looked as good as Winfield did for Tampa. His injury wasn’t one that is likely to be repetitive unlike Becton’s.
Rousseau and Farley  
Breeze_94 : 3/3/2021 8:32 pm : link
Not sure where Rousseau would fit. Not much tape showing him winning on the edge. Most of his damage came on the interior vs inferior opponents

Farley- idk, just don’t feel that great about him. Think he is more Dee Milliner than he is Jalen Ramsey. His knees have a bad history as well. 23 year old prospect who had 1 year of good tape.
RE: Dave  
OC2.0 : 3/3/2021 10:42 pm : link
In comment 15165810 JonC said:
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Yep. I do like Smith and Rousseau a great deal. Smith's skinny frame scares me, Rousseau is a big swing for the fences. I could live with picking one of them.

Parsons 1 Friermuth 2 would be my 1st choice. And no, I have nothing to do with PSU.
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