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Teddy Bridgewater Carolina Panthers · QB Best-case scenario: The Panthers strike out in their (presumed) quest for Deshaun Watson, don't see any other veterans as a significant upgrade over Teddy, and instead use their top-10 pick to improve the roster around their incumbent QB. Worst-case scenario: The Panthers decide one year of Bridgewater was enough and trade him to a team with an established starter in place. Bridgewater becomes an overqualified backup for what feels like the 14th time in the last 15 seasons. Most likely scenario: It seems as if the Panthers are determined to have a new QB1 in 2021. Bridgewater has been a good soldier everywhere he's been, so you can imagine the Panthers would like to trade him to a team that provides some path to the starting job. The Bears? The Dolphins? The Giants? |
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Daniel Jones New York Giants · QB This is likely Jones' last shot to prove he's The Man in New York. If he stumbles through another mediocre season, both the 2019 first-rounder and GM Dave Gettleman will be out of the picture come 2022. |
Exactly. Articles like this are the definition of throwing shit against a wall for clickbait when all it really does is highlight the ignorance of the shit flinger.
They wouldn't.
I guess it's better then
Bridgewater trade value is zero.
Regarding Jones, Duggan seems to think 2021 is make or break also.
Regarding Jones, Duggan seems to think 2021 is make or break also.
If 2021 isn't make or break for Jones, I don't know what to say. If we get another 11/10 TD/TNT rate, what's it going to take?
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If you're going to do that why not just sign Brissett in FA?
Regarding Jones, Duggan seems to think 2021 is make or break also.
If 2021 isn't make or break for Jones, I don't know what to say. If we get another 11/10 TD/TNT rate, what's it going to take?
30 TD passes and an AY/A of at least 7.5. Those are reasonable, fair targets in year 3. He gets there and I'm fine sticking with him.
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If you're going to do that why not just sign Brissett in FA?
Regarding Jones, Duggan seems to think 2021 is make or break also.
If 2021 isn't make or break for Jones, I don't know what to say. If we get another 11/10 TD/TNT rate, what's it going to take?
30 TD passes and an AY/A of at least 7.5. Those are reasonable, fair targets in year 3. He gets there and I'm fine sticking with him.
I'd take 24/8 and 7.2. Or top 10 in any 5 key metrics including Rate. Something. We have to end these excuses and see quantifiable production.
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If you're going to do that why not just sign Brissett in FA?
Regarding Jones, Duggan seems to think 2021 is make or break also.
If 2021 isn't make or break for Jones, I don't know what to say. If we get another 11/10 TD/TNT rate, what's it going to take?
30 TD passes and an AY/A of at least 7.5. Those are reasonable, fair targets in year 3. He gets there and I'm fine sticking with him.
And I would be ok with Bridgewater added as a backup. I don't think he's anybody's answer to an elite QB but if Jones gets hurt he gives you a chance to sneak into the playoffs.
2021 is a huge year.
2021 is a huge year.
If it doesn't work, I can't see Abrams being the guy because he can work excel. We'd want fresh blood.
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I wonder if that was a driving force in keeping DG since Jones was clearly coming back. If it doesn’t work, Abrams/Judge will pick a new QB.
2021 is a huge year.
If it doesn't work, I can't see Abrams being the guy because he can work excel. We'd want fresh blood.
You'd hope so...
Oof. Not trying to improve at backup...why? Can't threaten the scholarship player?
30 TD passes and an AY/A of at least 7.5. Those are reasonable, fair targets in year 3. He gets there and I'm fine sticking with him.
Hahahahahahaha...
30 TD and AY/of at least 7.5?
In Eli' BEST year of his career, (2011, a year his WR corps was amon the league's best) he achieved 29 and 8.1!
So you think it's reasonable to set Aaron Rodgers level of play as "acceptable"?
AND... That clearly is not the type of team Joe Judge is trying to build. Or haven't you noticed that?
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30 TD passes and an AY/A of at least 7.5. Those are reasonable, fair targets in year 3. He gets there and I'm fine sticking with him.
Hahahahahahaha...
30 TD and AY/of at least 7.5?
In Eli' BEST year of his career, (2011, a year his WR corps was amon the league's best) he achieved 29 and 8.1!
So you think it's reasonable to set Aaron Rodgers level of play as "acceptable"?
AND... That clearly is not the type of team Joe Judge is trying to build. Or haven't you noticed that?
First, Eli is irrelevant to anything related to Jones. Anyone that brings up Eli in any context regarding Jones brings into question the validity of what they are saying.
Second, the benchmarks I laid out for Jones are not exceptional numbers. 30 passing TDs was achieved by ten QBs in 2020 including rookie Justin Herbert, who had a great rookie year despite facing many of the excuses used for Jones's poor performance in his second. 7.5 AY/A was achieved by 17 quarterbacks in 2020, again including Herbert.
I'm not looking for Aaron Rodgers numbers. Rodgers threw 48 TDs and had a 9.6 AY/A...elite numbers from an elite player. We know Jones isn't in Rodgers universe and never will be.
But we did draft him 6th overall. And while I know the standards around here have for some become absolutely pathetic, I don't think it's so god damned unreasonable to ask that our supposed franchise QB that we invested such a high pick in at least be a little above average.
They now have an OC that knows what he's doing, a DC that knows what he's doing, a reasonably sound coaching staff, a reasonably sound roster and they aren't breaking in a rookie QB or a bunch of rookie OL. They are distancing themselves from the starting point of a rebuild.
This team needs to compete. Jones, Gettleman - even Judge, who was saying it wasn't about W's last year. I know what he was saying. It is now.
*Year 3.
*2nd year in Garrett's offense.
*Reasonably stabilized OL.
*And now - the company mantra to get him some weapons which I'm assuming includes a #1 WR.
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This will be the context he is judged this year. It's time to put it all together. I think he's going to shock a lot of people.
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30 TD passes and an AY/A of at least 7.5. Those are reasonable, fair targets in year 3. He gets there and I'm fine sticking with him.
Hahahahahahaha...
30 TD and AY/of at least 7.5?
In Eli' BEST year of his career, (2011, a year his WR corps was amon the league's best) he achieved 29 and 8.1!
So you think it's reasonable to set Aaron Rodgers level of play as "acceptable"?
AND... That clearly is not the type of team Joe Judge is trying to build. Or haven't you noticed that?
First, Eli is irrelevant to anything related to Jones. Anyone that brings up Eli in any context regarding Jones brings into question the validity of what they are saying.
Second, the benchmarks I laid out for Jones are not exceptional numbers. 30 passing TDs was achieved by ten QBs in 2020 including rookie Justin Herbert, who had a great rookie year despite facing many of the excuses used for Jones's poor performance in his second. 7.5 AY/A was achieved by 17 quarterbacks in 2020, again including Herbert.
I'm not looking for Aaron Rodgers numbers. Rodgers threw 48 TDs and had a 9.6 AY/A...elite numbers from an elite player. We know Jones isn't in Rodgers universe and never will be.
But we did draft him 6th overall. And while I know the standards around here have for some become absolutely pathetic, I don't think it's so god damned unreasonable to ask that our supposed franchise QB that we invested such a high pick in at least be a little above average.
Amen. Go in peace.
The Chargers OL is middle of the pack. He has two WR's who would instantly be the #1 WR here. He did not have a TE with the highest drop % in the league. In fact, he had one of the lowest.
The fixation on Herbert has been a continual thing with you, now you are making shit up about there being the same conditions existing for both QB's??
The Chargers OL is middle of the pack. He has two WR's who would instantly be the #1 WR here. He did not have a TE with the highest drop % in the league. In fact, he had one of the lowest.
The fixation on Herbert has been a continual thing with you, now you are making shit up about there being the same conditions existing for both QB's??
Typical Terps - Eli is irrelevant and Jones has no excuses. Need 30 TDs this season.
Honey, if they don't get him 2 WRs and a TE that can catch the ball and a line that can protect him, ain't nobody gonna get 30 TDs. Note even Aaron Rodgers. And Rodgers bitched about his team with all the top of the line WRs he had....
Growth and production. That's it.
I agree that 2021 is a big year for Jones if he's going to stick around. But, suggesting that there are statistical #s calling the shots is just wrong.
Sorry I wasted your time with this article. All those who posted on this thread should probably apoligize as well.
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this article, knowing full well it would stir up the usual suspects.
Sorry I wasted your time with this article. All those who posted on this thread should probably apoligize as well.
There is something to be said about the box-office draw of the "usual suspects" on this site...
The Chargers OL is middle of the pack. He has two WR's who would instantly be the #1 WR here. He did not have a TE with the highest drop % in the league. In fact, he had one of the lowest.
The fixation on Herbert has been a continual thing with you, now you are making shit up about there being the same conditions existing for both QB's??
The following have been used as excuses for Jones:
1. Having to learn a new system
2. Not having a preseason due to COVID
3. Losing his running back due to injury
4. Crappy offensive line - the Chargers offensive line was horrendous in 2020. I know PFF is a favorite whipping boy, but they had LAC as the worst OL in the league - hardly middle of the pack. Google "Chargers offensive line" and you'll find numerous mentions of how poor they were.
I won't link those though. Instead I'll link a NextGen Stats tweet about Herbert after a game in December:
Herbert Under Pressure
➤ 6/10, 131 yards, TD
We could have drafted this guy but we didn't - ( New Window )
Growth and production. That's it.
I agree that 2021 is a big year for Jones if he's going to stick around. But, suggesting that there are statistical #s calling the shots is just wrong.
Well I agree that there's not some magic number that if Jones doesn't hit he's going to get kicked to the kerb, but growth and production is going to correlate to better numbers.
2021 is year 3 for Jones. Amongst his peers in their 3rd seasons:
- Mahomes had an MVP and a SB title under his belt
- Watson had two playoff appearances
- Jackson had an MVP and 3 playoff appearances
- Allen was an MVP candidate and had 2 playoff appearances
- Mayfield won a road playoff game against a divisional rival
- Kyler Murray went to a Pro Bowl and led his offense to 25 PPG
- Justin Herbert threw 30 TDs
Enough fucking around already. Time for Jones to show something real.
Scenario 1 they draft an OL like Slater rd 1, a WR or TE rd 2 and sign Corey Davis or someone else tall and maybe a solid slot WR like Samuel, he shows improvement where needed to earn the 4th year.
Scenario 2 they draft Waddle and sign an OL or other needs he shows improvement but maybe not enough if the OL isn’t helped.
They draft a CB and don’t sign the right WR he may not show enough and is gone before year 4.
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...coaches aren't looking at #s.
Growth and production. That's it.
I agree that 2021 is a big year for Jones if he's going to stick around. But, suggesting that there are statistical #s calling the shots is just wrong.
Well I agree that there's not some magic number that if Jones doesn't hit he's going to get kicked to the kerb, but growth and production is going to correlate to better numbers.
Typically it would, but there are plenty of mental gymnastics that go on around here when posters defend bad positions. Sometimes at an olympic-type level...
But is he an upgrade from Colt?
Only in cost. Bridgewater is a better quarterback.
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Is a downgrade from Daniel Jones.
Only in cost. Bridgewater is a better quarterback.
I understand you aren’t a Daniel Jones fan, but Bridgewater is not better than Jones. Bridgewater started red hot last season and fell apart once teams started to figure him out. Jones has a better arm (much better deep ball) and more mobility.